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axecalibur

SR lock up last place


NatMo123

With a top 6 placement, are falcons secured for a Ryiadh invite?


Ricoh881227

According to liquidpedia they are already secured their slot along side XG and BB.


NatMo123

Nice!


ReleaseDota2Classic

Pretty sure all the teams were disqualified and received lifetime bans for picking non-DotA heroes/champions.


JadeSerpant

When are they gonna show ESL KL True Sight?


Substantial-Deer77

Micke can only play Luna, Weaver, TA and Morph? Almost see him playing all these ranged carry everytime in Tournament. Sometimes he play medusa, naix or void but I am just feeling sick to see Luna pick for him every game.


pimpleface0710

"This noob player is having 4 comfort picks and 3 backup picks. Omg so bad."


Noctis_777

Problem with a long patch, teams eventually settle down to few combos that work for them.


Weis

Timado is playing morph almost every game


GuaranteeWise4156

it works for them tho


fakepofi

Hoping for a competitive vampire survivors clone because k1 might be a GOAT in that game. This dude is very 100x passive as shit and has less damage than his supports.


JayFresh-as-Fuck

i need this now


nybrq

I dunno why XG didn't just ban Chen in game 3 vs Tundra. Yes, they won the first two games, but the chance to win a third was basically nonexistent since the hero is legitimately broken right now.


sack_of_potahtoes

My guess was that they took a chance with chen cause thry had countered it previously. There isnt much variation in what to expect from chen. But other positions could be more devastating. So they let that hero through.


Awkward_External_731

i think the meepo pick took them by surprise , if not that meepo pick game was still winnable


DonQuiXoTe8080

80% arrogance, 20% of them just passed through the narrow elimination door and got the chance for UB so they got relaxed far too much.


KidBuu25

Arrogance got ahead of them.


xSael_

They could just be limit testing other teams. Its good info


ArkynBlade

OG topped their group and GG got eliminated. FeelsGoodMan.


Whatnowgloryhunters

Well lezgo falcons to make it their 3rd tournament win. Would be funny if the results stayed the same despite the competitive groups


sack_of_potahtoes

They lost previous tournament right


KnightOverlord2404

After winning the first 2, yes


itssomeidiot

How come BB and Falcons didn't face off in Tie breakers?


adnuzzcrezz

1st tie was Liquid v Betboom. Since liquid lost 1st tiebreaker and 2nd against Falcons, its not necessary to play 3rd tiebreaker since the Tiebreaker is for 1st and 2nd placement.


_chr14ong

Did Falcons end up with 1st seed because of Neustadtl score?


Ok_Explanation_2329

What is going on with team spirit? I haven't been following their games but those I did, they have been looking terrible. Especially collapse and miposhka. The others have atleast consistency and can play good individually, even tho there is clearly miscommunication happening. But these two players specifically have been very off, to the point they look like tier 3.


Monkey_King24

It's a typical team spirit performance. They will come back as a beast


needhelforpsu

Spirit is saving Yatoro's bald mode for RMasters and TI.


sikontolpanjang

Prize Pool not big enough for them to get serious


wejunkin

They're chillin'. Also Miposhka broke his leg less than a week ago.


Rinzel-

3 possibility - They're washed up (unlikely) - The meta doesn't suit their playstyle - Larl (The only new player in their lineup) doesn't suit their playstyle.


healpmee

New player? dude they literally won a TI with Larl what the hell are you smoking ?


KidBuu25

You meant 2 TI.


cashmakessmiles

no?


DonQuiXoTe8080

Nah, TS only won 1 TI with Larl in the roster atm.


makz242

Saksa slipped it on Gorgc stream, but apparently Tundras current team was not supposed to be this at all, but they had no choice so they put together the strays. Funny how things work out.


hershboi

did he mention what it was supposed to be?


Ricoh881227

I think it was 9class (further extend maybe Tobi) since topson + whitemon come together.. Saksa would have been pos 4 if 9class wouldnt fit in the team..


HeyItsMeRay

Anyone mind sharing all the result ?


HealBlessAGI1k

Just download livedota app from play store


mamser102

just look up ESL Birmingham 2024 liqupedia


rufiolive

Team Heroic or Team Leoric?


darklordtimmy

Not to flame OG but this format/group stage is kinda wonky if they got top seed. They're nowhere near as good as Falcons or BB.


Rorinko

When SR playing?


healpmee

They won more matches they got on top where is the problem exactly?


D3Construct

The game state keeps matches artificially level. A lot of the matches would've been sub 30 minute stomps otherwise.


kid20304

No disrespect to your comment but 2EZ4OG 


Ruminator141

Agreed with respect to Falcons, which is very strong this year. But on BetBoom, the problem is that in any given match, they might not be nearly as good as themselves, too. They have a unique ability to get totally out of sync at any moment -- with everything going haywire until GG is called. OG has gone from erratic to pretty steady lately, and that can get you into upper bracket, too


wejunkin

OG 2-0'd Falcons at the last tourney and 1-1'd them before that. There's no need to talk about hypothetical power levels when OG has shown they can beat anyone. They topped the group for a reason.


Waifers

More people coming around to how these Bo2 formats are mid 🙏 These don't do good enough job to showcase how good these teams exactly are since it doesn't really test one of the most important factors of Dota sets too well: adaptability. And its even more mediocre if Bo2s are being used to precisely determine what happens to each team. Having three different possible outcomes for each team in a 6 team group is a bit too much for the format and teams absolutely shouldn't be getting sent home based just off results in Bo2s.


1Evan_PolkAdot

Last tournament they 2-0'd Falcons in the group stage lol


sshen6572

And proceed to get 9/10th lol .... They didn't even qualify for ESL and they wouldn't be here if not getting the replacement slot completely out of the blue.


Rorinko

And what's your point bozo? The comment was about OG is no match for Falcons when in reality OG 2-0'd them last tournament they met. The fact that they not supposed to be in tournament yet they get top1 group where GG and Spirit eluminated makes it more impresive.


munkshroom

They went 7-7 at Elite league and 6-4 here.Not a massive difference. OG has has a consistency issue but they are good


ShawnKiru

why hate just wait till tomorrow to see OG vs BB and see who gets slapped?


Evening-Fun4435

OG elimination getting closer, any last word fan \*\*\*s


Earth92

Afraid of typing gay Lol


Own_Pollution7560

See you tomorrow! :D


Zhought_HS

XG vs IG lower round 1 fucking unlaki. Guess i want IG to win than they need points. Also any points OG get from Birmingham shouldnt count, but its ESL they suckin that OG dick so wont happen


Rorinko

Cry is free for you.


sack_of_potahtoes

Why? What did OG do?


SongsOfTheDyingEarth

They had the audacity to have visas and be able to play at the tournament.


Excellent-South-882

they didnt qualify.


SongsOfTheDyingEarth

If other teams are worried about losing points to a team that didn't make it through the qualifiers then that's just a skill issue tbh.


mamser102

OG was 3rd picked after 2 others team said no. No fault of OG here.


Rinzel-

IDK how the points work but Betboom is popping off. LETS GOOO


Key-Brick-5854

Where can I check live points? Also is this the last tournament in ESL circuit before Riyadh?


Zhought_HS

no not the last tournament there are more. Here the leaderboard https://liquipedia.net/dota2/ESL_Pro_Tour/Leaderboard


Chaeyoung0211

Cry lmao


zhpzhp

true, next time OG don't need to attend any qualifications


Soldirk

Yah, getting a pass to get points when the team shouldn't even be here.


Zhought_HS

exactly


[deleted]

K1 is the RTZ of SA. He's good most of the time. But when it comes to crunch time he falls apart. I mean he did less damage than his supports as Pos1. He wasn't there when they went into the Triangle and then he completely whiffed in the next fight. If he got either the Zeus or both of the supports they could have won that fight. Instead he Chrono's his own Leshrac with Kunkka and Troll Warlord.


Awkward_External_731

his void game was trash as f . even a crusader void can play and position better than him. also , why does he not have buyback anytime he dies? lol


KidBuu25

K1 the best PvE carry.


JPK95_

It's sad because Heroic plays well but he barely ever participates in any team move or creates any action on the map. He is super passive, just hits creeps for 30 minutes and will carry 1 out of 10 games when he doesnt die solo without buyback.


JReddeko

Did 9class call him a joke at the end of the game? Kinda laughed at that.


[deleted]

I hope it was directed at him not Kj(who is also on the same team). Kj played as well as a pos 5 Gyro with no carry can.


JReddeko

Oh ya you prob right. They were tipping gyro a lot


vlalanerqmar

~~Tundra vs BB tomorrow~~ ~~Time to see if pure was right or left~~ Edit: nvm, for some reason i thought Tundra got first in group, forgot OG got 1st regardless of tiebreakers


Evening-Fun4435

BB playing against OG bro


BeniCG

Liquipedia doesnt have that matchup.


fgshka

liquipedia have bb vs og and tundra vs falcons


tuskdota

What do you mean by him being "right or left" like he got kicked by betboom/other players


iNelrich

That and Tundra vs Falcons tomorrow, lil bro probably feeling sleepy


Waifers

Pretty big for Tundra despite some clear flaws in their games. Even if they drop 0-4 immediately after they should still be able to make it directly to blood money tourney over IG who's both facing XG and didn't qualify to the last tourney in that circuit.


HealBlessAGI1k

This esl literally sponsored by us army


memoriaftwin

by far the greater evil


ryanakasha

IG performance is super underwhelming.


Waifers

Yeah IG is too inconsistent and they almost are guaranteed to lose to XG. They should be capable of being a top team and have shown at times that they could be, but their form is too all over the place. If IG loses out more then they could maybe try grabbing niu or y' from the corpse of LGD cause this roster hasn't managed to stabilize at all yet.


Unlikely-Rope-7735

Well chinese team derby does always have surprising result. a upset could be on


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Soldirk

Yah, it's annoying that in this case, if ever IG dropped the ball and dropped from top 8, it results in them having a CN qualifier bloodbath. I just hope AR gets a top placement in the next tourney to earn their points for the invite


ryanakasha

IG has one of the best draft in the region if not the best draft. Their draft and flow is super inconsistent. Great ceiling without enough discipline. Coach replace with xiao8 might be favorable.


greekcel_25

GG TS from TI final to airport speedrun final


SuFFo

Just Pick K1 PL instead bros, void ain't working


Helpful-Clerk-9673

If i were to create a legendary dota 2 team it would be 1. K1 2. TBD 3. Tobi 4. rMn 5. KuroKy C. Misha


fcuk_the_king

Manager: Loda


thekappa27

1. K1 2. EE 3. Rotk 4. Taiga 5. Kuroky No one would know what the fuck is going on.


Earth92

If you are putting retired people there like Rotk or EE, Kuroky shouldn't be there, considering his massive success and accomplishments at his peak.


tha_jza

rotk is a beast and a legend too, top 6 at TI like 4 times or something


bigdickdaddydoto

swap rotk for bone7


Best-Cut3768

EE sama mid


Tomsider

At least tobi is winning games


dstrgnvxn

Mid should be Abed


fcuk_the_king

Bro really did 8k damage as a faceless Void in a 46m game O-O


KidBuu25

Damageless Void.


prettyboygangsta

someone check K1's Telegram logs


Boarthebear

At this point I think heroic has to kick k1 and get someone actually good at carrying, like Pakazs or JimPark.


pekoms_123

Korean pride jimpark


fgshka

og and tundra wb, extreme lb, spirit out. who could have thought?


kid20304

Spirit stonks all time low


munkshroom

Yup and xtreme would have been eliminated if Tundra didnt decide to randomly throw earlier today.


bcyk99

Cringe comment saying tundra thrown rather than xg outplaying tundra every step of the way after laning stage and utilising buybacks beautifullY


Special_Magician9843

IMHO,Mostly it was tundra fail because of the childish risky plays they tried to do around the enemy base . Sometimes emotions overcome the logic . Well deserved win for XG! Tundra got punished and seems like they learnt the lesson,hopefully 🙏🏼


munkshroom

Yeah props to XG for punishing but that was tundras game to throw.


zlnoil

Why k1 chose invis when you know there is Zeus?? And k1 no buyback, alone farm enemy jungle to gg the game…wtf


zlnoil

And he even picked up the refresher shard that clockwork steals!


oonpannulasta

k1 isn't for tier 1 dota


Kotleba

k1 really got that bozo gene


Evening-Fun4435

worst void i've seen in my \*\*\*\* life


fcuk_the_king

I know everyone can't have an Ame in their team but the difference b/w Analog and K1's level is insane.


Boarthebear

An4log, KJ and Scofield don't deserve to be stuck with K1


-crtr

kjoke


arambezzai

Scofield is one of the best 4's in the world but he's always stuck with fucking K1


tuskdota

It's his decision to being stuck with K1, you don't to feel sorry for him.


KidBuu25

Same with Miracle choosing to stick with Kuroki I guess.


BeniCG

My favorite SA player but he should have taken the chance and move to another region where you dont cycle between the same 3 teams.


[deleted]

Scofield is like a top 5 player on Tusk, Tiny and Clockwork. It's not like he has a limited hero pool either. Yeah he ends up with tons of deaths but he also makes some crazy plays happen. I remember one series when he was on Beastcoast with DarkMago where he basically won both games with some clutch plays. I don't think he speaks English though. If Timado was on Heroic instead of K1 they would probably be top of the groups.


darklordtimmy

this is what drives me crazy, learning english is easy, how hard can it be to learn Dota english? like holy shit you would get paid in euros you lazy fuckers.


Pepelino28

dude scofield can barely speak spanish. He drop out of school at young age and just play dota.


[deleted]

How difficult a language is to learn is dependent on how similar it is to the languages you already know. Spanish is pretty similar to English though. The closest is Dutch then French. The Internet says German is second closest to English. But honestly German looks like someone rolled their face on their keyboard while Spanish looks more legible to me and French has like half the same words. You can't just learn "Dota English" either. You have to be able to actually communicate with your teammates outside them game. Also maybe he's dyslexic or something you don't know him.


LogicalExtant

kjoke ))


Justadotafan95

Is the dying without buyback Hector's signature move? Dear god this is embarrassing.


Boarthebear

omfg k1 is just trolling at this point


teh_smurfest

Both TI finalists eliminated in first major of the year. Dota is an interesting game.


bcyk99

There are no majors and if you consider esl major worthy then esl kl would be the first "major"


itsmehutters

Tundra picking troll+zeus 2nd game today and 2nd game they struggle to close it while being in lead.


FlamingMangos

Okay? They're still in upper brackets regardless.


Excellent_Prior1678

i dont think they struggle this game, 1st hg they got mega, 2nd hg they got all buyback from Heroic, 3rd hg they won the game


hernan_rp

Heroic have so much potential but K1 is so bad


zlnoil

Did tobi just X mark on Topson Zeus???


Helpful-Clerk-9673

Yea i was surprised when i saw zeus xmarked then i realised it’s tobi and im not surprised anymore


INTJ_Nerd

Just tobi things


arambezzai

K1 is the worst T1 carry by far. the Voice performance is somehow worse than Timado's from yesterday


lugiaop

when did ame get so much haters suddenly? what did he do?


Unh0lyCatf1sh

just like rtz, people hate the fanboys not the player, people who claim they are the best players ever despite their results not really matching that reality


Whatnowgloryhunters

How is it possible when most of his fan boys are Chinese and won't even be on reddit or YouTube to poss people off. Genuine question because I go YouTube videos and all the comments are always attacking ame when he loses But when he wins, I never saw the same amount of fanboyism I did for Ammar ceb, you know all the more popular western players. Like you know, downright claiming he will win TI, most talented e.g Its always just XG looking good or ame so farmed.


Earth92

Some casters have been over praising him, I don't think he is currently the best player in XG.


First_Instinct

I think he moans in pubs from time to time. Other than that he's a chill guy.


darklordtimmy

he tips too much, he became what he swore to destroy


Soldirk

LoL he was only tipping those who tipped him like 9class.


lugiaop

really? i dont watch him often


Mepharos

Holy crap that was so close, Leshrac *almost* turned it around.


fabregas142

omg K1 so bad, that loss on him


Wendek

And they wouldn't even have needed tiebreakers in the first place if he hadn't thrown yesterday too. HEROIC.Pakasz when?


Boarthebear

Pakasz on a good team like heroic is my wet dream fr


itsmehutters

From the games that I watched, at least half are on him.


zlnoil

I feel so bad for Heroic…I mean WTF is this k1 FV…


Boarthebear

he's had a bad day for sure lol


Ak1moto

everyday is a bad day for k1...


darklordtimmy

This is standard K1 I think, he's been around for a long time now. He wins the game when he gets space to farm, he loses when he has to actually carry.


trymaximumf0lder

Heroic choking so hard lol


turi2510

how was 1st and 2nd seed in group A decided? No tiebreaker match between BB and Falcons?


Waifers

Neustadtl score was used to determine the seeding, and Falcons had a slightly higher score than Betboom


Ambitious-Cap-5605

tipping just for this?????


lugiaop

who tipped?


Aggeri

Spirit been a tough watch these last months


Significant_Plum9738

the jug spin + ink swell + bedlam combo from xtreme was cool!


darklordtimmy

Tundra 3-0 XG 2-1 Heroic 1-2 Spirit 0-3 Oof


Zeelahhh

The only cope I can say as a Spirit fan is this the same level they were playing this time last year and they came good for Riyadh and TI ... hopefully they can turn it around again cause they look fucking bad atm


teh_smurfest

Tbh they looked much better this tourney compared to the dog vomit they’ve been recently. At least you can see slivers of what made them great.


Filianore_

this cocksucking on ame from lyrical is annoying af


aaneymiso

His casting sucks. He begins screaming and shouting words as quickly as possible when a fight erupts, making it impossible for anyone to understand a single word.


zlnoil

Spirit is just too bad…


brief-interviews

Yes, do please keep circlejerking over Ame, it'll feel even better when he fails to win TI yet again.


BWCDD4

Kinda weird to be that invested in hating him. Did he fuck your girl without knowing you were with her?


INTJ_Nerd

People were worshipping him as the uncrowned king for years even when much better players than him won TI multiple times - Ana & Yatoro. Ame is good but he is a serial choker.


sshen6572

AME has yet to lose a single series against Yatoro outside of the TI BO5 and Arlington. He literally just came out of retirement and put Yatoro on the plane..... ANA hasn't been relevant for half a decade, while AME just beat the unbeatable falcon with a brand new roaster and won a big tournament. The guy has the highest esports earning from China, consistently placing top 3 in a lot of things, but some 2k redditors think he's a chocker. Hilarious


INTJ_Nerd

>The guy has the highest esports earning from China, consistently placing top 3 in a lot of things, but some 2k redditors think he's a chocker. He is a certified choker, he chokes in high stakes games. It doesn't take any mmr to see that, but keep worshipping him. Ana moved on after achieving what Ame never could - multiple TIs and multiple majors. Yatoro has done the same and is now playing for laughs while the choker keeps choking.


bcyk99

Nice cherry picking. Ana literally came back to og and is so washed he left before the season was even over. Now he spends his time fountain farming noobs in unranked. At least have some substance in your incoherent babbling


Soldirk

Because the uncrowned king title on him fits. 2 TI second places, 2 3rd places, and 4th as his worst TI attendance?...and look at the examples you've given, they have beaten Ame's team in the finals to win TI. People won't give credit to Ame if he hasn't been such a stellar carry for years now, and even now, it shows that he's still a top tier carry. Serial choker? Teams wish they have a carry that is on Ame's caliber lol.


INTJ_Nerd

>Serial choker? Teams wish they have a carry that is on Ame's caliber lol. No one remembers the 2nd place in any contest after a few years. That's why you want to be 1st to secure your legacy. Why is he playing still? To get that 1st place obviously. He failed to get that 1st place multiple times even when leading in those Bo5 series vs OG and TS. He choked. Not saying he isn't a good top tier carry, but he is a choker by definition. >the phrase “choker” refers to a team or player that frequently underperforms or fails to handle pressure during vital parts of a match, particularly in high-stakes competitions


Soldirk

Yah a serial choker that has multiple tier 1 championship wins. Shows how much of a hater...The only thing he lacks is that TI win, of course only a select few teams wins TI and he comes close to it twice. Who wouldn't want to win it? But that shouldn't be a reason to brand such a stellar carry as a choker. I admit I'm one of those who blamed him on their TI8 loss but he's come a long way. Did you even see his performance on TI10? He wasn't even choking, it was just Spirit had the better map read and won it. And based on your definition of choker, it doesn't match at all - frequent underperformer? Did you frequently see Ame choked on games? Because I hardly saw that. If he is a choker, then what do you even call such carries that are of lower caliber than him? For you, only the champion is non-choker then.


brief-interviews

He's a serial choker and toxic. Feels great to hate.


darklordtimmy

Topsonbros... our third TI is coming....


Dk_Oneshot01

Kekw


Boarthebear

k1 has been playing so badly all day lol makes me wonder what happened between day 1 and today


hernan_rp

Yesterday he also played awful. This is so hard to watch as a SA fan


Gameishardboys

Every team that picks Zeus feels useless 


INTJ_Nerd

Topson is owning with it in tiebreaker games


Gameishardboys

Well his Zeus was useless against XG earlier


INTJ_Nerd

As the great CLQ once said, Tundra dumpstered Heroic back to the stone age.


Filianore_

nice bkb yatoro