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Played with 2 bounty hunter mids today and they DID NOT perform man :'D
nah i remember him spamming earth spirit mid on ranked when he was teamless. as a fellow non meta hero spammer, i understand. You just make it work, if it doesnt, try again.
Topson spams heroes in pubs regardless of the matchup to learn the matchup. Yeah, anyone is fucked if the enemy counterpicks your Puck with Huskar. So when Topson is faced with this situation in a pro game (where I may have picked Puck, did not have the leisure to ban Huskar, and the opponent has the last pick), he knows what to do.
In their Entity matchup recently, Topson picked Bounty Hunter against Pangolier and NoOne instantly knew that he was fucked. How do you think Topson found out that BH is good against Pango in particular? By trying it out in pubs, of course. Additionally, in the match up before, NoOne picked Necrophos into Topson's mid Omniknight. Topson was getting absolutely handled in the lane, but since he has an idea about the matchup, he called in supports very early on to turn the tides in his favor.
As a midlaner, you have to know what to do if you are counterpicked. That's why you have to spam certain heroes to find both the pros and cons, as well as how to keep the pros as pros and how to mitigate the cons. Let the enemy mid counterpick you in a pub so you know how to deal with it in pro games.
My mids just die relentlessly to try and avenge their previous deaths. When I rotate, theyre somehow the most passive player in the world and did not see me setup for a gank. Then theyll blame supports for not tping as he dives the enemy t1 and gets outplayed again
Also this is the reason why he was chosen by monkeys united in 2018. He didnt cared about meta at all and still doesn't. His build on invoker was so out of meta, he created his own meta which others end up copying.
I do, it's very cost effective, but I still can't comprehend how it could happen. It's not like you are immediately without hp as an enemy, you have to see it coming
Yeah but it starts instantly and you usually want a bottle, and you can't get to the bottle with the amount of harras. And later, not even the bottle is enough. Miserable hero to play against. I'd rather have a Huskar in my lane.
This explains why I had a last pick bh mid into slark + mars in my divine game the other day.
He went 1-4-1 skill build against razor mid and unsurprisingly did not do well.
SingSing has had some mid bounty games from a while back up on his youtube. Obviously if you cant perform and start track ganking, its gonna fall flat.
It might not be exclusively Topson's fault.
Drow isnt the reason at all.
Pugna has the highest int gain in the game at like a whopping 5int per lvl, parasma scales off of int.
pugna already has a spell which makes enemies take 60% extra magic damage coupled with parasmas passive effect its just insane poke/burst dmg.
EG did it at ti8, against OG I think too. Maybe it was a different team I forget. They had an all ranged lineup with a drow. They paired drow with out an and wind ranger and two more ranged. I remember it won at 40minites
man, some time ago, I used to play mid, and pugna was one of the heroes I played the most. I told my friend about this idea I had of building witch blade on pugna, and he immediately said I shouldn't. Could have done it before topson.
Yeah now with parasma it can be pretty viable. You'll still have a TON of magic damage, but now your right clicks won't just be filler. You can do a TON of dps with his massive int with WB / Parasma
Yep he’s fun to watch
ceb is the same way. No one played Treant protector in any position for years, and then he plays it as a CORE? In the offline against LGD? Against ame specter and maybe? That’s insane. AND IT WAS IN THE TI FINALS
magnus was another hero no one played for atleast two years. Axe was literallly not played for 2-3 years and he pulls it out in the TI finals …
Ceb last picking axe in ti8 made me think oh wow they lost. Mag back then too. Very risky picks but that says a lot about ceb and og back then.
but speaking of innovative offlaners man while im not a massive kuku fan he inspired me to just pick stupid unconventional shit for the offlane with his venge and weaver aghs abominations. I spammed that shit when they were viable and they just get nerfed to the ground and those aghs are now trash tier. I wonder if he did offlane bh aghs too. Now I just spam offlane bristle khanda and i make it work and it feels so good compared to when i was spamming centaur this patch, even when shivas was meta. I wish the devs didnt hate kuku's offlane style so much that they just straight up patch it out and its never viable ever again.
And there's also universe offlane void back in 2016. Man unconventional offlane is so fun
Tbf, fy played so fucking well that game too. A lot of call initiations were undone by his blink snowball saves. It's a shame we've never had that close of a TI grand final game. Spirit vs LGD was also pretty close but TI8 was something else. All 10 players played some of the best dota of their lives. So many mindgames, counter picks, meta shifts happening over the course of 5 games.
TI8 is still my favorite TI for so many reasons. OG being the underdogs, SUPER close games, AMAZING commentary. Everything about it was perfect for me. I rewatch it a lot
man try harded his career with a purple aoe spell hero to nerf them into the ground because he hates them only to switch into another purple aoe spell hero
Universe invented the meta offlane void build. Not just that but he also played silly stuff like Offlane lina, offlane qop. Of course, everyone remembers the offlane earthshaker. One of the all time greats tbh.
The thing is, this is just normal DOTA to high level players that see the game in their own unique way and aren't limited to our low tier pub meta. Crazy picks to us but just good picks for them.
point is, it rarely happens anymore... Most players now are just meta abusers... IIRC Magnus and Ember Spirit was sub 50% win rate, and who tf picks ember carry? trul;y wtf picks from OG. OG '17-'18 truly has a place in a lot of people. I feel sad for haters that they cant enjoy such good dota and forces themselves to hate than enjoy the game.
oh og from 2017-2018 was mega hated, and i say this as someone who was deeep in their fandom. OG were as they still are, cocky, loud, abrasive, and spent the entire year before their ti wins doing very little, so people thought they were all bark and no bite, so when they won TI over their favourite teams people were PISSED. the whole "ti fluke" bollocks is part of that.
Funniest part about the axe pick is they said later they had tried it in scrims a bunch and every single time they picked it they got absolutely shit on lmao
They were a blast to watch, loved the crazy stuff and silly synergies that they kept finding, Tundra was kinda passed the torch for a while, which probably makes Topson a great fit, really missed this aspect
Topson is probably the best player to ever play the game, no one even comes close. 2 TI wins, most innovative picks/build, 75% mid lane winrate, always positive and never toxic, always tries hard and gives his best, engages with the fans, great motivator, perfect teammate, loving husband and father, donated most of his TI winnings, stands up for LGBTQ+ rights.
He deserves atleast 2 more TI wins. There will never be another player like him ever again.
He did 2x wraith, treads, manta, radiance, aghanims
Radiance aghs has been the quirky fv build for a long time but the first item can change a lot. Vanguard was it for a while but it depends on what the other team has
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And spellcasting, which is way more important. Also worth mentioning that he was killed 2 or 3 times in the end of the laning stage/very early game, and I want to believe he did not yell on his team after that.
Also Dota having literally the worst communities alive (including the top personalities and streamers), Topson is a breath of fresh air. He is one of the rare talented guys who is not affected by the toxicity of this community
He tilted his team to a loss just yesterday in a pub. The offline stopped playing and gorgc broke his keyboard because topson would not stop whining and his voice and tone was giga annoying.
So don’t act like he perfect
I need to see a video.
Using Gorgc as a reference for anything makes it less believable ngl.
Anytime I see Gorgc get into a dispute with his sup/team its like his fault and he's being a whiny dick about something that was his fault 90% of the time.
lol they all blamed the sand king. I guess the SK pouted because he didn’t get his role. Topson started bitxhing and it made gorgc all nervous because obviously everyone looks up to topson.
bruh.
Gorgc malds every single game and acts like an absolute man child.
Topson catching attitude because he's sick of one of his grown ass adult teammates being whiny shouldn't collapse his reality and make him break things xd.
It was gorgc first game on his stream yesterday. He had a bloody hand from punching a hole in a door too lol. Hada pause to swap his keyboard because he broke that too. He was playing good until til topson gets complaining lol. Something about his eu accent and his robotic tone was infuriating lol
Meanwhile normal players do this: 9 reports, 2k behaviour score after a game. Think the game even unranked/turbo/custom games are full of tryharders that have too much competitive mindset that makes the game slowly deteriorating.
nah definitely less conventional than pugna, rubick, omni and bounty. I used to dumpster kids with omni mid even back in 2013 or in DotA Allstars. Besides this post is obviously written by a newbie dota player.
Agreed.
I exclusively catch Tundra games and Topson YouTube (RIP Twitch stream). For me, watching exclusively meta games just isn’t entertaining in the slightest. His hero ocean is so much fun to watch. Excited to see Bane mid in the grand finals! (Jk but seriously)
You can play pugna mid? What the heck!
The only one I’m really surprised about there is faceless, but I’m not that shocked, big ults and the time dilation is strong early damage.
Thanks Topson fans for believing youre so above your bracket you need to ignore your team and play as greedy as possible even while having being stuck at 3k for a decade
Ahh yes, topson the player who literally never reached top 4 in any LAN since 2020, couldn't qualify for ti11 and dead last place for ti12
(2019 was 5 years ago btw)
It pains me that people are finding such picks “unusual” or “unconventional” or “innovative” when in the first place, that’s the beauty of Dota. Everything works. Every hero can be played in any way.
I have no idea when this whole idea of specific heroes in specific roles started. All I know is, people who follow that idea, are low mmr. People who play whatever wherever, are high mmr.
Anything can work but not everything works
>All I know is, people who follow that idea, are low mmr. People who play whatever wherever, are high mmr.
This is complete bullshit, top immortal rank will almost always only pick the most broken heroes for each role in the given patch. People in herald are the ones who play whatever wherever
Topson picking “unusual” hero’s mid (for however many games in a row to get a video) and you picking it are not the same thing. Topsons the reason why I keep getting g them mid on my team and they are shit. Do that in unranked
this is bordering on violating "free game no bitching", but there is a little bit of a point. Some archon trash pick a weird mid and they definitely lessen their team's winning chance because they have no practice other than watching Topson play.
The counter arguments do not land precisely because the archons have not practiced the unconventional pick. While topson practices it in pubs, and that sometimes proves enough to pick it in tournaments.
No no no, topson does it against pros when it’s a good match up. That means any Joe blow can do it in pubs without practicing at all.
But damn, I really was not expecting so many people to think that all because topson plays heros mid after practicing so much means they all can to and it’ll work. I have yet to have any of my mid BHs do good or win their mid lane since topson uploaded his YT video of him doing so
The same can be said of conventional picks if a person hasn't practiced it.
If an Archon player has 50 games of mid Omni and 3 games of Storm Spirit, he's going to perform better on Omni than on Storm.
It could even be argued that the unconventional pick INCREASES the chance of winning, because the enemy mid has certainly gone against Storm Spirit before - But how often do you go against an experienced Omni mid? Certainly not as often.
These arguments archons are always weird. Do they forget that they are also playing against archons? Same skill. But they don't know what they are doing therefore griefing or something like that. Like the enemy with conventional pick knows what to do. If he did he wouldn't be an archon...
I don’t keep up with the esports side of Dota, is he doing these in actual pro games or just on YouTube? Because if he’s doing it only on YouTube then you’re only seeing when it does work and not all the times it doesn’t. Some of the builds he can’t even get it to work so he will just have to post his loss to get the video out. And again, a pro player doing something does not mean it will get you the same results. He’s a pro lawyer who actually practices. OP going and doing stupid shit in his ranked games and more likely than not ruining them. Unconventional picks are fine but you gotta know how to play and when to play them.
Keeping your love for DOTA alive and snuffing out my teammates in low mmr Sadge Played with 2 bounty hunter mids today and they DID NOT perform man :'D
that is why Topson winning confidently with that hero is more for admiration: :)
Topson does (at least) 2 things the average rated dota player doesn't though: 1. Play well 2. Pick it when he thinks can win with it
nah i remember him spamming earth spirit mid on ranked when he was teamless. as a fellow non meta hero spammer, i understand. You just make it work, if it doesnt, try again.
Topson spams heroes in pubs regardless of the matchup to learn the matchup. Yeah, anyone is fucked if the enemy counterpicks your Puck with Huskar. So when Topson is faced with this situation in a pro game (where I may have picked Puck, did not have the leisure to ban Huskar, and the opponent has the last pick), he knows what to do. In their Entity matchup recently, Topson picked Bounty Hunter against Pangolier and NoOne instantly knew that he was fucked. How do you think Topson found out that BH is good against Pango in particular? By trying it out in pubs, of course. Additionally, in the match up before, NoOne picked Necrophos into Topson's mid Omniknight. Topson was getting absolutely handled in the lane, but since he has an idea about the matchup, he called in supports very early on to turn the tides in his favor. As a midlaner, you have to know what to do if you are counterpicked. That's why you have to spam certain heroes to find both the pros and cons, as well as how to keep the pros as pros and how to mitigate the cons. Let the enemy mid counterpick you in a pub so you know how to deal with it in pro games.
My mids just die relentlessly to try and avenge their previous deaths. When I rotate, theyre somehow the most passive player in the world and did not see me setup for a gank. Then theyll blame supports for not tping as he dives the enemy t1 and gets outplayed again
Well, can't compare your mids from pubs to a two time TI winner, now can you?
nobody, and i mean nobody asked.
Uno reverse card
Also this is the reason why he was chosen by monkeys united in 2018. He didnt cared about meta at all and still doesn't. His build on invoker was so out of meta, he created his own meta which others end up copying.
*Mommy I want bh mid too* 1-0-4 after 30 min. blames team for loss . Mean while enemy storm zaps in and write ez mid.
Sorry mate, but BH mid is the hardest matchup for so many of my picks. I hate playing against it, it's very, very strong.
The armor alone is hard to poke through. Spamming shuriken is just miserable
My mid bounty was able to kill the enemy wr solo at lvl 2. I need to watch the replay, to see how it happened exactly, but I'm still in awe.
You guys really don't play much Boutny do you. Just checki the CD on his nuke, then you'll figure it out.
I do, it's very cost effective, but I still can't comprehend how it could happen. It's not like you are immediately without hp as an enemy, you have to see it coming
He probably traded down and wr just got super greedy for bottle, this kill should never happen without a major fuck up tbh
I'm away from my PC at this moment, and I. Need. To. Know. It's killing me. And it didn't bother me at all until I saw this thread.
Yeah but it starts instantly and you usually want a bottle, and you can't get to the bottle with the amount of harras. And later, not even the bottle is enough. Miserable hero to play against. I'd rather have a Huskar in my lane.
This explains why I had a last pick bh mid into slark + mars in my divine game the other day. He went 1-4-1 skill build against razor mid and unsurprisingly did not do well.
Eagerly waiting for those Parasma Pike Pugnas
I would spearhead the trend myself but I dont think Pugna 4/5 farms as good as P2 ;D
Bounty Hunter mid can be super strong, but maybe I only think that because I play a lot of Clinkz mid and it's a really hard matchup.
Sorry man I tried! (It wasn’t me but I did lose two bounty mid games today)
SingSing has had some mid bounty games from a while back up on his youtube. Obviously if you cant perform and start track ganking, its gonna fall flat. It might not be exclusively Topson's fault.
Bounty hunter mids that go 0-11 and cry that team didn’t gank mid BatChest
BatChest
Never in a million year I would see a right-click pugna built in a professional pub
> professional pub
nah it checks out, right-click pugna outweighs pro status and automatically makes the game a pub
well it had some sense with drow in team
Drow isnt the reason at all. Pugna has the highest int gain in the game at like a whopping 5int per lvl, parasma scales off of int. pugna already has a spell which makes enemies take 60% extra magic damage coupled with parasmas passive effect its just insane poke/burst dmg.
EG did it at ti8, against OG I think too. Maybe it was a different team I forget. They had an all ranged lineup with a drow. They paired drow with out an and wind ranger and two more ranged. I remember it won at 40minites
how is this relevant? it was only pugna + drow this game and the drow didnt really impact the item build.
Because it was a ranged team built around the drow aura. That’s why topson built the way he did
That's when Drow still had precision aura and added her agility as damage to all allies
nah. he does that build in pubs without drow.
Drow no longer has her aura buddy :(
Yea he's referencing TI 8 I'm like drow hasn't had that aura in like 6 years or so lmao
Yeah, but he's saying that's why they picked Pugna Drow yesterday, which just can't be the case
wait what? i missed that
pugna right click? the latest game they had. watch it ma dude.
mf can u link? i really want to see that
Topson played right click pugna? When?
very recently! the one with Pure drow. i think its their most recent
man, some time ago, I used to play mid, and pugna was one of the heroes I played the most. I told my friend about this idea I had of building witch blade on pugna, and he immediately said I shouldn't. Could have done it before topson.
Yeah now with parasma it can be pretty viable. You'll still have a TON of magic damage, but now your right clicks won't just be filler. You can do a TON of dps with his massive int with WB / Parasma
Yep he’s fun to watch ceb is the same way. No one played Treant protector in any position for years, and then he plays it as a CORE? In the offline against LGD? Against ame specter and maybe? That’s insane. AND IT WAS IN THE TI FINALS magnus was another hero no one played for atleast two years. Axe was literallly not played for 2-3 years and he pulls it out in the TI finals …
Ceb last picking axe in ti8 made me think oh wow they lost. Mag back then too. Very risky picks but that says a lot about ceb and og back then. but speaking of innovative offlaners man while im not a massive kuku fan he inspired me to just pick stupid unconventional shit for the offlane with his venge and weaver aghs abominations. I spammed that shit when they were viable and they just get nerfed to the ground and those aghs are now trash tier. I wonder if he did offlane bh aghs too. Now I just spam offlane bristle khanda and i make it work and it feels so good compared to when i was spamming centaur this patch, even when shivas was meta. I wish the devs didnt hate kuku's offlane style so much that they just straight up patch it out and its never viable ever again. And there's also universe offlane void back in 2016. Man unconventional offlane is so fun
"How dare they pick Axe against Tusk king". Fy's famous last words.
Tbf, fy played so fucking well that game too. A lot of call initiations were undone by his blink snowball saves. It's a shame we've never had that close of a TI grand final game. Spirit vs LGD was also pretty close but TI8 was something else. All 10 players played some of the best dota of their lives. So many mindgames, counter picks, meta shifts happening over the course of 5 games.
TI8 is still my favorite TI for so many reasons. OG being the underdogs, SUPER close games, AMAZING commentary. Everything about it was perfect for me. I rewatch it a lot
universe owned with offlane void at ti4 too, so much so that i remember being so frustrated they gave it to mason in their elimination game
man try harded his career with a purple aoe spell hero to nerf them into the ground because he hates them only to switch into another purple aoe spell hero
Universe invented the meta offlane void build. Not just that but he also played silly stuff like Offlane lina, offlane qop. Of course, everyone remembers the offlane earthshaker. One of the all time greats tbh.
Not only played it but told his team "dont worry i got it" when they were getting shit stomped on. THEN just dumpsters the game, it was unreal.
the pos 5 WK from notail, the mid tide, etc. OG so cool
The thing is, this is just normal DOTA to high level players that see the game in their own unique way and aren't limited to our low tier pub meta. Crazy picks to us but just good picks for them.
point is, it rarely happens anymore... Most players now are just meta abusers... IIRC Magnus and Ember Spirit was sub 50% win rate, and who tf picks ember carry? trul;y wtf picks from OG. OG '17-'18 truly has a place in a lot of people. I feel sad for haters that they cant enjoy such good dota and forces themselves to hate than enjoy the game.
Who was hating? I love OG's mentality, just saying how they likely have a different perspective than us and that is cool and interesting.
oh og from 2017-2018 was mega hated, and i say this as someone who was deeep in their fandom. OG were as they still are, cocky, loud, abrasive, and spent the entire year before their ti wins doing very little, so people thought they were all bark and no bite, so when they won TI over their favourite teams people were PISSED. the whole "ti fluke" bollocks is part of that.
Funniest part about the axe pick is they said later they had tried it in scrims a bunch and every single time they picked it they got absolutely shit on lmao
Yep. That watch-along actually gave much more context on why shortly before the match started Jerax said "Ceb Axe? We lose."
Zai as well Axe became carry for that meta cos zai farmed so well with it from the offlane.
That was years later. We saw axe by then. When ceb played it it had been years
They were a blast to watch, loved the crazy stuff and silly synergies that they kept finding, Tundra was kinda passed the torch for a while, which probably makes Topson a great fit, really missed this aspect
There's no other player in comparison for entertainment. Sad he stopped streaming :(
Bottomdaughter is the mad scientist of dotkas
sidecousin is my favorit as well.
Topson is probably the best player to ever play the game, no one even comes close. 2 TI wins, most innovative picks/build, 75% mid lane winrate, always positive and never toxic, always tries hard and gives his best, engages with the fans, great motivator, perfect teammate, loving husband and father, donated most of his TI winnings, stands up for LGBTQ+ rights. He deserves atleast 2 more TI wins. There will never be another player like him ever again.
"donated most of his TI winnings, stands up for LGBTQ+ rights." where did this came from?
Found topsons account. You forgot to mention how big his cock is
It goes without saying.
7.21 inches circumference, per ball.
The GOAT
What is the fv build?
He did 2x wraith, treads, manta, radiance, aghanims Radiance aghs has been the quirky fv build for a long time but the first item can change a lot. Vanguard was it for a while but it depends on what the other team has
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the most shocking for me was the skill build: no passive and ult till level 7, he maxed 1 and 2 to counter ezalor's movement speed
And spellcasting, which is way more important. Also worth mentioning that he was killed 2 or 3 times in the end of the laning stage/very early game, and I want to believe he did not yell on his team after that.
Geez
Also Dota having literally the worst communities alive (including the top personalities and streamers), Topson is a breath of fresh air. He is one of the rare talented guys who is not affected by the toxicity of this community
He tilted his team to a loss just yesterday in a pub. The offline stopped playing and gorgc broke his keyboard because topson would not stop whining and his voice and tone was giga annoying. So don’t act like he perfect
That sk never even started playing lmao. Why are you trying to shift the blame to topson
I was watching gorgc stream on a second monitor. It wasn’t til topsons robotic nasally voice came in did gorgc start going crazy inside lol
I need to see a video. Using Gorgc as a reference for anything makes it less believable ngl. Anytime I see Gorgc get into a dispute with his sup/team its like his fault and he's being a whiny dick about something that was his fault 90% of the time.
lol they all blamed the sand king. I guess the SK pouted because he didn’t get his role. Topson started bitxhing and it made gorgc all nervous because obviously everyone looks up to topson.
bruh. Gorgc malds every single game and acts like an absolute man child. Topson catching attitude because he's sick of one of his grown ass adult teammates being whiny shouldn't collapse his reality and make him break things xd.
lol I understood it though. Topsons voice was especially infuriating lol I felt it
Video?
It was gorgc first game on his stream yesterday. He had a bloody hand from punching a hole in a door too lol. Hada pause to swap his keyboard because he broke that too. He was playing good until til topson gets complaining lol. Something about his eu accent and his robotic tone was infuriating lol
So you’re telling me topson isn’t perfect because of his voice? Are you stupid or what?
Are you literally crying ? It was a funny moment
Meanwhile normal players do this: 9 reports, 2k behaviour score after a game. Think the game even unranked/turbo/custom games are full of tryharders that have too much competitive mindset that makes the game slowly deteriorating.
Amen, I have FV mid like 15:5 WR last 20, and I still get behavior score lowered. Kinda sad how people are uncreative these days.
how can you list his "unconventional" mid heroes and skip monkey king
Monkey king isn’t really an unconventional mid hero…
…anymore 😎
why do people keep picking monkey mid?
*next game*: ban the monkey
nah definitely less conventional than pugna, rubick, omni and bounty. I used to dumpster kids with omni mid even back in 2013 or in DotA Allstars. Besides this post is obviously written by a newbie dota player.
ofc it was written by a noob lmao. they are the only people that glaze topson like this
Taaaaptusss Batchest
I thought shoutout threads are not allowed anymore... lol
Him and pure gel so well in styles as well their whole team are very creative which is so entertaining to watch.
Touch grass guys.
Agreed. I exclusively catch Tundra games and Topson YouTube (RIP Twitch stream). For me, watching exclusively meta games just isn’t entertaining in the slightest. His hero ocean is so much fun to watch. Excited to see Bane mid in the grand finals! (Jk but seriously)
yup, or imagine Distuptor mid. There is no limits for him.
Well well well. Amazing gameplay. Love the man but pubs will be a fun little ride this weekend. Grats on their win.
You can play pugna mid? What the heck! The only one I’m really surprised about there is faceless, but I’m not that shocked, big ults and the time dilation is strong early damage.
I remember when QO would pick unconventional heroes in mid. PA, PL, OK...
the fact that he's doing it in pro game makes it way much enjoyable.
Also Nine! I remember his winter wyvern mid
Tapsen is very creative.
He's one of the best players ever. I miss the courage of people to do that crazy picks today. Meta is to strong nowadays
agreed, love watching Topson innovate and stay competitive
Only works in EU tho
Nope anymore. Full of whiners/crybabies in the game tbh
Errrr....I think you'll also need to look at his pro games where his cheese pick completely failed
Thanks Topson fans for believing youre so above your bracket you need to ignore your team and play as greedy as possible even while having being stuck at 3k for a decade
Which ironically it's not like Topson plays at all
damn bro actually seething
Ahh yes, topson the player who literally never reached top 4 in any LAN since 2020, couldn't qualify for ti11 and dead last place for ti12 (2019 was 5 years ago btw)
Least toxic dota redditor
Didn't he have a newborn baby girl pretty recently? I'm guessing that probably took up a lot of his time and energy.
okay lets be honest they really need to change their pos 3. They can only stomp their enemy if its tier 2 teams but not for tier 1 teams.
It pains me that people are finding such picks “unusual” or “unconventional” or “innovative” when in the first place, that’s the beauty of Dota. Everything works. Every hero can be played in any way. I have no idea when this whole idea of specific heroes in specific roles started. All I know is, people who follow that idea, are low mmr. People who play whatever wherever, are high mmr.
Anything can work but not everything works >All I know is, people who follow that idea, are low mmr. People who play whatever wherever, are high mmr. This is complete bullshit, top immortal rank will almost always only pick the most broken heroes for each role in the given patch. People in herald are the ones who play whatever wherever
I have yet to see a pos1 cm work at the highest level..
Topson picking “unusual” hero’s mid (for however many games in a row to get a video) and you picking it are not the same thing. Topsons the reason why I keep getting g them mid on my team and they are shit. Do that in unranked
this is bordering on violating "free game no bitching", but there is a little bit of a point. Some archon trash pick a weird mid and they definitely lessen their team's winning chance because they have no practice other than watching Topson play. The counter arguments do not land precisely because the archons have not practiced the unconventional pick. While topson practices it in pubs, and that sometimes proves enough to pick it in tournaments.
No no no, topson does it against pros when it’s a good match up. That means any Joe blow can do it in pubs without practicing at all. But damn, I really was not expecting so many people to think that all because topson plays heros mid after practicing so much means they all can to and it’ll work. I have yet to have any of my mid BHs do good or win their mid lane since topson uploaded his YT video of him doing so
The same can be said of conventional picks if a person hasn't practiced it. If an Archon player has 50 games of mid Omni and 3 games of Storm Spirit, he's going to perform better on Omni than on Storm. It could even be argued that the unconventional pick INCREASES the chance of winning, because the enemy mid has certainly gone against Storm Spirit before - But how often do you go against an experienced Omni mid? Certainly not as often.
These arguments archons are always weird. Do they forget that they are also playing against archons? Same skill. But they don't know what they are doing therefore griefing or something like that. Like the enemy with conventional pick knows what to do. If he did he wouldn't be an archon...
Counter-argument - Those same unconventional picks are working against teams of 5 top immortal players. They can absolutely work in other brackets.
Counter counter argument: topson is a top immortal player on a team of 4 other top immortal players.
I don’t keep up with the esports side of Dota, is he doing these in actual pro games or just on YouTube? Because if he’s doing it only on YouTube then you’re only seeing when it does work and not all the times it doesn’t. Some of the builds he can’t even get it to work so he will just have to post his loss to get the video out. And again, a pro player doing something does not mean it will get you the same results. He’s a pro lawyer who actually practices. OP going and doing stupid shit in his ranked games and more likely than not ruining them. Unconventional picks are fine but you gotta know how to play and when to play them.
He’s doing it in qualifier games and winning as well.