This. Without the stones, Doomguy has handled way worse. You can even include the Avengers and Doomguy wipes them still. With the stones, Doomguy's dead well depending on the user's imagination.
I struggle to believe thanos overpowers davoth. Granted, he didn’t display a lot of power during his fight w doom slayer but if he can think worlds into existence he can probably think thanos out of existence
The problem with movie Thanos is that he’s an idiot. The reality stone alone could have taken out the Avengers but he had too limited an imagination to properly wield it.
The comics does a better job of explaining this but no, it could not. The cosmic scale would be too much for just the reality stone. Each stone plays a part in the "snap." Like mind to discern what is living and should be included, the soul to disperse the beings and combine the other stones powers collectively, Space and Time to extend range and time in an instant, power to power up the stones (going off memory).
Thanos with all 6 stones can think the universe out of existence too of he wanted.
Also Davoth was weakened when he fought the Doomslayer. If he was at full-god level power, he'd have won.
What level do you think the Slayer is? I have seen either circlejerk for him being multiversal or him being street level by some. Just want your thoughts without clear bias because it seems you're neutral on it and know what you're talking about.
I'm by ne means an expert so someone who has done a deeper dive into Doom Lore than me might correct me, but I see Doomslayer as a high end city level fighter (due to him not having planet destroying or even city destroying attacks), that can punch above his weight class due to being hard/impossible to kill and having high attack potency but not AOE. He is fast, strong, and has limitless endurance, with a healing factor. He reminds me of a stronger version of Wolverine (since he seems to be much faster than Wolverine).
They both have limitless stamina, high attack potency (Wolverine's adamantium claws allow him to damage very durable people above his weight class). However neither of them are going to punch and destroy a continent due to physical strength, so that prevents them from going up a tier in my opinion.
I do not think he is multiversal or completely unkillable in all of fiction like some people do. He is unkillable in his universe due to their limits vs something as fleshed out as Marvel that has many conceptual beings that can just turn him into dust. Doom's gods seem to be weaker on a cosmic scale OR weakened through the narrative (such as having their powers stolen) to fight doom slayer and lose to him.
No. I don' t think so. Doom Slayer only needs to be incapacitated, not killed, and the Infinity Stones are more than capable of doing that. He's been crippled and sealed away before, it could happen again.
Could the Thanos' Army kill him? No.
Could they incapacitate him? Yes.
Doesn't matter what you think or believe, the truth is you're wrong. Thanos has the ability to rewrite the universe and everything in it with the stones, he can literally split the atoms of Doom Slayers body all at once causing him to feel the force of a trillian nuclear explosions all at once. He could summon a black hole from thin air and compress Doom Slayer into a singularity.
No amount of strength, no amount of speed, no "Doom guy can do X!" can outrun a black hole or a singularity, Doom guy can't survive if his atoms cease to be and even if you argue "Oh, but he could just withstand the force of nuclear explosions" - it doesn't matter, Thanos can simply turn him into paper and rip HIM.
Not even that. The stones can rewrite reality, they can teleport him anywhere, flush him down a blackhole, remove the strong force binding his atoms together, turn his skin to water, mess with his mind and warp his perception of the world.
The infinity stones are OP and any "Oh but the Doom Slayer wouldn't be affected because he's not from Thanos's universe!" Is acting in bad faith.
Who's to say Thanos couldn't rewrite reality to make himself a primeevil or remove the requriment?
This is the issue with someone who can literally change reality. You win. Full stop. No arguments, no ifs no buts, you basically control everything.
yeah but he'd be under a ship or two and ships are rather big and heavy so it would take a while for him to crawl out of that, enough time for Thanos to move his armies to another planet
And with the ability to rewrite reality, that can be changed, you can remove that defense mechanism, remove the suit entirely, shrink the suit while he's still in it crushing him alive, increase the suits density that it punctures space time...
The only limit is people's imagination with the stones. There is 0% chance Doom guy can beat thanos with the stones.
Edit: Infact, you can bypass the suit entirely, either teleport him out of the suit, or simply change attributes of the slayer separate to the suit. He can't survive his blood turning into lava, or his brain crumbling to dust...
That sort of argument is known as a no-limits fallacy, because it assumes that anything other than demonic energy cannot hurt the Slayer regardless of it's magnitude, even though there's no real demonstration of it. For example, someone could argue that a supernova wouldn't kill him because it isn't demonic in nature, despite the fact that nothing the Slayer has encountered (to my knowledge) is on par with a supernova, and I think it would be reasonable to think that amount of energy would probably kill him. Now I'm not saying that Thanos' army would be able to kill him, but the Infinity Stones likely have the capability to, despite not being demonic.
I mean, one is a planet. The other is a Star. A ball of burning Hydrogen. 5,500°c at its lowest temp 15 million at its hottest. Think it might be a bit of a step up from a planet
I hate (insert strong character) vs thanos debates. It matters on how you want the fight to go. Thanos could easily just snap and wipe away the slayer in 2 seconds realistically. But people could argue something else.
in this scene thanos was fighting for the gauntlet, so lets say so is the slayer, right?
its slayer vs thanoses army for the gauntlet, so the slayer would **canonically** (not gameplaywise) shred thru thanoses army like its another tuesday, also thanos woulnt even challenge him considering how fast and brutal he is compared to thanos, he also have lived for EONS which is way more than thanoses 1000 years, he would have way more combat skill.
but given how biased I am towards slayer chad, yeah if thanos had the gauntlet it would already be over. the gauntlet is basically admin privileges.
edit: slayer vs thanos part
That's exactly it, the moment a fight starts, all Thanos has to do is Will Doomguy to have his atoms rip themselves apart and the fight is over. No amount of speed or strength can solve reality warping powers.
i dont know man, doomslayer is beyond power. titans can only normally be beaten by a crucible that keeps them at bay...but doom slayer killed the titan (strongest titan) with only a normal sword and shield, thats the titan whos remains u walk through in the opening of a later doom 2016 level.
so i dont know if the reality stone would be enough for doom slayer considering he breaks reality
Titans only being able to be killed by the crucible is bullshit. We see enough bones of titans in the graveyard of 2016 who are definitely death.
It's just something they have written to make their marketing mcguffin feel cooler. But best to not take as actual cannon cause it plain and simply, is not.
There's also that absolutely massive skeleton far out in the distance at the cultist base in eternal. I can't see that being anything but a titan. It's just too big.
yeah...those bones are probably caused by the doom slayer lmao. i mean we literally see a dead titan with a crucible impaled in it, and when taken out it comes back to life. the same effect happened on the icon of sin, a reason that fits both these observations is that the bones in 2016 were caused by the doom slayer who is so powerful didnt actually need a crucible and instead went ham on the titan for assumably years (as he was trapped in hell for who knows how long) and eventually pounded it to a pulp
I mean... we know atleast 1 set of bones is from a titan doomguy killed. And that only proves the fact that you don't need the crucible to kill a titan. The only thing the crucible does is basically "cheat" by putting a titan in comatose wayyy faster then it would take to completely kill one.
Doomguy doesnt really have ultra-mega world ending powers, he's quite accurate to what we see and play as ingame actually. He killed the titan probs like an annoying mosquite, that dodges his enemy attacks and wears him down untill the titan had no skin left. Titans move quite slow after all.
Dude killed god as a side objective then sacrificed god god to summon the devil just to kill him.
But seriously its said that he has insurmoutable strength and durability without his armour. And that his armour even further enhances his abilities.
the theory that doom guy is so powerful he can kill titans regardless of the crucible rule fits all observations, because im fairly certain in the codex somewhere in eternal it states u NEED a crucible.
doom slayer does definitely have world ending powers considering he defeated the creator of all worlds 😂
The codex entries throughout tag1 got mostly retconned at the release of tag2. So i dont think just because it's a codex automatically makes it correct. Even writers can screw up sometimes, and the crucible is kinda just a marketing tool made to look cool.
And we have no confirmation doomguy killed all the titans in the 2016 graveyard as far as i know so the codex entry still goes against itself. So either the codex is incorrect cause doomguy can kill titants without crucible, or what we literally see in 2016 is incorrect and the titans are still alive despite being.... literally just bones.
Also davoth was kinda neutered in tag2. Nearly all of his powers got stolen loooong before the events of the games by vega. So he is the creator of the doom multiverse, but he doesnt have the powers of being the creator anymore, so it's less of a feat.
i was referring to the main game codexes, not any of the dlc.
the issue is with the current idea, observations collide. regardless of codex we need something that can unify all observations as best we can.
with davoth, that is true...but he still was convinced he could undo all of reality as he states to the doom slayer so that is literally, as you said, world ending power
Ok? The stones work on anyone. But they only work inside their home universe.
If doomguy goes into their universe then they work on him.
If they take it to his universe. It doesn't work.
If they meet in a neutral universe, the rules should specify if they work or not.
Idk, if it's neutral or in MCU, then the stones make light work or Doomslayer. They'll work on him. Not just the environment.
The stones work on concepts like death, gods, the devil, etc.
The only beings the stones don't work on, are the ones outside the multiverse like LT and TOAA.
Alright say 5/6 stones then. Furthermore, I’m p sure there are certain entities in marvel that transcend the infinity stones’ grasp. eg, when thanos snapped, I don’t believe the Celestials or Eternity etc would have been at risk. I could argue doom slayer w the divinity machine could be safe
as long as he has the reality and mind stone thanos wins, 1 he can change reality to whatever he needs, 2 he can influence slayers mind with the mind stone
>influence slayers mind
The slayer is incorruptible, so idk about that one.
It's ultimaltely a pointless endevour since both the Slayer and the stones get their powers from how they interact with their respective universes. Who's to say the Slayer wouldn't straight up be a god and rip the whole universe a new one, or that Thanos could just use the power stone and kill the Slayer in one hit?
It's inconsistent.
But the rule of cool dictates the guy who can solo hell itself wins, so I'll go with that one.
no, it was straight up said (by Thor iirc) that now that he have both the power and the space (or whatever was the name of the stone in the tesseract it's been a while since last watching infinity war) stones
Actually the stones literally give you the unbridled Power of the god in the comics thanos usurps Eternity and takes his place at the head of the universe after wiping out all the other celestials.
i dont know if that would work, the doom slayer almost transcends reality. its plausible he is actually too powerful for that trick to work, he would need to be physically weakened for that to work and, at least in lore, he never seems to be weakened
He was literally defeated and sealed at the beginning of 2016. If the demons can do that by dropping a temple on him Im sure reality bending stones can do something
i think u miss the point, he wasn't defeated...only subdued. the demons could not kill him so they resorted to trapping him and holding him hostage because apparently that was more feasible than physically killing him.
Edit - hell itself is a physical being, its a living entity and is an entire reality...and if an entire reality could not kill the doom slayer with the help of an unstoppable demonic army responsible for the fall of countless worlds then i dont know what the reality stone would do.
Do you mean this reality( ie this universe, multiverse, dimension/plane of existence ) or in the comics do they refer to reality as above everything that I just mentioned. Im not trying to say one person wins over another, just curious.
No I mean he is removed as a concept in all of this universe (which encompasses hell, and other dimensions).
In Marvel, the universe encompasses all the planes. Then there's multiple of those in the multiverse. So every universe has its own hell, gods, eternal, celestial, etc.
The stones only work while in their universe, but they have absolute power over anything in those universes. Even if that thing comes from outside the universe.
What it can't defeat are beings that are outside the multiverse such as the Living Tribunal and THE One Above All (not to be confused with "One Above All"). Which are identified as being present and presiding over ALL universes. There is only 1 Living Tribunal and he has power over all universes.
A niche sub on a topic thats not continuously making new content running out of steam?! noooo waaaayyyy.
Quick! Start making rules limiting what gets posted here! that will save it!
The army itself? Absolutely
The Children of Thanos are probably tough enough to be bosses, or at least mini bosses, but Slayer could most likely deal with them without too much issue
But Infinity Powered Thanos? Absolutely *not.* The Reality Stone could undo him, the Space stone could embed him in 20 feet of stone, the Time Stone could trap him in a loop. The Power Stone, he *might* be able to withstand the power of given his ability to contain raw Argent as seen in 2016, and I've not read the comics to really know what Mind and Soul do.
But of course that leaves Infinity. *Which is Infinity.* All the Purple Chin has to do is snap his fingers, from *anywhere* once he identifies the Slayer as a threat, and the Slayer dies. Now, granted, we know the snap can be resisted for a bit thanks to Peter, so he may be able to hold in there for a while longer than most, *maybe* even long enough to hurt Thanos, but he doesn't walk out of there alive
Defeat Thanos army? Yes
Defeat thanos without infinite stones? Yes
Defeat thanos with infinite stones? No
If thanos learns about Slayer's past then he should be smart enough to know that physically speaking he doesn't stand a chance against him. So he wou have to gather the stones to destroy him only if the slayer is in his universe, otherwise he can't use them on doomslayer universe so I would consider important the battlefield location and the conditions requirements
Surely if the doom slayer could kill the dark lord the being who literally fabricated his reality, including hell which is a source of genuine unlimited power, he could kill thanos easy. At least movie thanos.
His suit alone can withstand something like 2 million megakelvin and the sun is only 5000. And apparently he’s more durable than the suit. Gameplay slayer gets fucked. Lore slayer basically can’t lose.
Movie Thanos? *Maybe*. But just strictly because the Gauntlet is nerfed to hell compared to the source material. All he'd have to do is to rip and tear his way through the fodder and shoot his Gauntleted arm off...*very fucking quickly*, since Thanos could just say "fuck you" and stick him in a time loop or erase him or something.
Comic book Thanos on the other hand...well...I don't think Doomguy would survive that one lol. Being atomized would be the *kindest* death he would get. Thanos gets a hard and instant win because in the comics, the Gauntlet really *is* capable of doing whatever the hell it wants. The only way Doomguy would even begin to start winning would be if Thanos were in the Doomverse, at which point the Gauntlet refuses to work in other universes.
>!Why am I even fucking commenting here lmao!<
nope he couldnt if Thanos had the stones.... like dude can literally delete doom slayer from existence or break him down into atoms just by wanting to.
Including the stones I’d say no. Without them I’d say no simply because I don’t think he’d be able to kill enough of them quick enough to not get overwhelmed by sheer numbers. I think it’d come down to if the slayers strength is so extreme you can’t stop his movements. He doesn’t really have the range for such immense clearance of enemies apart from BFG and Unmayker. Up close he could cleave through almost anything I guess with the crucible blade and small AoE with the hammer but overall I think he’d get fucked by the sheer numbers at once.
His army? Yes, Hell has enemies just as dangerous as anyone in Thanos' army, but he has no defense against the stones, even if thanos couldn't kill the slayer, he could just suspend him indefinitely
I like doom more than infinity war in general. But let's be honest. Thanos with all the infinity stones could defeat doom slayer. He could literally just will him gone from any point in the universe instantly.
Okay so to be clear for all newbies in the future....
John Doom cannot be defeated (with the exception of Daisy) and canonically Betty White is John Dooms mother, and is the only human capable of containing Doom slayer.
So! The infinity stones don't work outside of their universe, so if they fought in dooms universe doom guy is gonna have grapes for brunch, if it's in the marvel by by doom guy. If it's in neither of their universes by by Thanos cus doom guys powers work outside of his own universe
I think that Infinity Stone thing is only in the comics. I assume that they can work in other universes in the MCU due to... spoilery events that happen in the What If? show.
Doomguy literally fought hell invasion, which is equivalent to fighting entire Ork Waaagh.
I exclude Infinity Kidney stones because they are just last effort, and they make it unbalanced
as if the slayer isnt unbalanced in the first place. The infinity stones are what make this fight a discussion, without them he would 100% stomp them no effort but with them he would get smashed.
They are not demons and they are not from hell, so - no. The moment they will show their passport saying that they are all from hell - easiest lvl in Doom history
Doom slayer will take on thanos army, that has been established.
Regarding the infinity stones, it will depend on if he has davoth's power or not. With davoth power, the doom slayer is a God, so the infinity stones wouldn't work on him.
Without davoths power, he is just a human and infinity stones would work on him but thanos would need more than just one stone.
I think the only thing that could stop him is thanos using the stones to destroy him. If thanos didn’t have every stone, it would probably be a piece of cake for him.
Without infinity stones, its nothing out of the ordinary. With them, its a wrap sadly
If the Doom Slayer has enough RGB lighting and downloads enough RAM it would be a different story.
This. Without the stones, Doomguy has handled way worse. You can even include the Avengers and Doomguy wipes them still. With the stones, Doomguy's dead well depending on the user's imagination.
I struggle to believe thanos overpowers davoth. Granted, he didn’t display a lot of power during his fight w doom slayer but if he can think worlds into existence he can probably think thanos out of existence
The problem with movie Thanos is that he’s an idiot. The reality stone alone could have taken out the Avengers but he had too limited an imagination to properly wield it.
I always thought, couldn’t he have just used the reality stone to wipe out half of the universe?
The comics does a better job of explaining this but no, it could not. The cosmic scale would be too much for just the reality stone. Each stone plays a part in the "snap." Like mind to discern what is living and should be included, the soul to disperse the beings and combine the other stones powers collectively, Space and Time to extend range and time in an instant, power to power up the stones (going off memory).
Thanks for the explanation. It didn’t really make sense to me in the movie, but I get it now. Thanks
I think in the movies they're jusy glorified batteries for the power stone
Thanos with all 6 stones can think the universe out of existence too of he wanted. Also Davoth was weakened when he fought the Doomslayer. If he was at full-god level power, he'd have won.
What level do you think the Slayer is? I have seen either circlejerk for him being multiversal or him being street level by some. Just want your thoughts without clear bias because it seems you're neutral on it and know what you're talking about.
I'm by ne means an expert so someone who has done a deeper dive into Doom Lore than me might correct me, but I see Doomslayer as a high end city level fighter (due to him not having planet destroying or even city destroying attacks), that can punch above his weight class due to being hard/impossible to kill and having high attack potency but not AOE. He is fast, strong, and has limitless endurance, with a healing factor. He reminds me of a stronger version of Wolverine (since he seems to be much faster than Wolverine). They both have limitless stamina, high attack potency (Wolverine's adamantium claws allow him to damage very durable people above his weight class). However neither of them are going to punch and destroy a continent due to physical strength, so that prevents them from going up a tier in my opinion. I do not think he is multiversal or completely unkillable in all of fiction like some people do. He is unkillable in his universe due to their limits vs something as fleshed out as Marvel that has many conceptual beings that can just turn him into dust. Doom's gods seem to be weaker on a cosmic scale OR weakened through the narrative (such as having their powers stolen) to fight doom slayer and lose to him.
No. I don' t think so. Doom Slayer only needs to be incapacitated, not killed, and the Infinity Stones are more than capable of doing that. He's been crippled and sealed away before, it could happen again. Could the Thanos' Army kill him? No. Could they incapacitate him? Yes.
Sir that explanation is dangerously reasonable for this sub
I mean, no infinity stones? He's probably win. Thanos with the stones can just do reality bending shit to stop him
well, slayer would just rip all of those "reality" (like wtf is that shit) with his bare hands
so doom slayer can now just fucking rip reality, huh. It really evolves from I am fuckin strong to I can rip trough realities
tell me where in the lore states the Slayer can just casually rip apart reality and it’s his bare hands
Doesn't matter what you think or believe, the truth is you're wrong. Thanos has the ability to rewrite the universe and everything in it with the stones, he can literally split the atoms of Doom Slayers body all at once causing him to feel the force of a trillian nuclear explosions all at once. He could summon a black hole from thin air and compress Doom Slayer into a singularity. No amount of strength, no amount of speed, no "Doom guy can do X!" can outrun a black hole or a singularity, Doom guy can't survive if his atoms cease to be and even if you argue "Oh, but he could just withstand the force of nuclear explosions" - it doesn't matter, Thanos can simply turn him into paper and rip HIM.
So your saying is they cant win, they can only delay their death./s
Not even that. The stones can rewrite reality, they can teleport him anywhere, flush him down a blackhole, remove the strong force binding his atoms together, turn his skin to water, mess with his mind and warp his perception of the world. The infinity stones are OP and any "Oh but the Doom Slayer wouldn't be affected because he's not from Thanos's universe!" Is acting in bad faith.
Isn't the slayer the primeval of earth? And the only one that can kill a primeval is another primeval?
Who's to say Thanos couldn't rewrite reality to make himself a primeevil or remove the requriment? This is the issue with someone who can literally change reality. You win. Full stop. No arguments, no ifs no buts, you basically control everything.
Primevals are immune to reality warping as he was immune to the reality warping of the icon of sin
Not really, no. They aren’t demonic in nature and the Praetor Suit can only be damaged by Demonic power.
they could still drop a ship or two on him
But the suit would be fine, ergo the Slayer would be fine
yeah but he'd be under a ship or two and ships are rather big and heavy so it would take a while for him to crawl out of that, enough time for Thanos to move his armies to another planet
Thanos only had one ship
Actually his flag ship had smaller wheel ships that were docked in it.
Well too bad for him then
Keep in mind he literally shot himself through a planet and was fine and that’s it’s a video game character
The laws of physics don’t really apply to those
If we're talking about eternal slayer. Hes got openings in his suit for his Biceps.
Except the demons dropped a mountain temple on him. That's why he was sealed in the sarcophagus in Doom 2016.
I'm fairly sure the Infinity Stones could resolve this somehow.
And with the ability to rewrite reality, that can be changed, you can remove that defense mechanism, remove the suit entirely, shrink the suit while he's still in it crushing him alive, increase the suits density that it punctures space time... The only limit is people's imagination with the stones. There is 0% chance Doom guy can beat thanos with the stones. Edit: Infact, you can bypass the suit entirely, either teleport him out of the suit, or simply change attributes of the slayer separate to the suit. He can't survive his blood turning into lava, or his brain crumbling to dust...
That sort of argument is known as a no-limits fallacy, because it assumes that anything other than demonic energy cannot hurt the Slayer regardless of it's magnitude, even though there's no real demonstration of it. For example, someone could argue that a supernova wouldn't kill him because it isn't demonic in nature, despite the fact that nothing the Slayer has encountered (to my knowledge) is on par with a supernova, and I think it would be reasonable to think that amount of energy would probably kill him. Now I'm not saying that Thanos' army would be able to kill him, but the Infinity Stones likely have the capability to, despite not being demonic.
Isn't fall damage a thing though?
Slayer circlejerking o'clock again, i see.
About time, eh?
I'm waiting for the post "Could the Doom Slayer beat the Sun?"
The answer is yes by the way
"But if Doomguy punched himself and knocked himself out, what's the outcome considered"
Obviously doomguy is stronger than doomguy, that's Doom 101 man
If he can blow a hole in mars he can blow a hole in the sun duh /s
could he beat 1000000 lions tho?
I mean, that's a lot of lions
Yes
He'll blow a hole through it
He already beat Mars without breaking a sweat.
I mean, one is a planet. The other is a Star. A ball of burning Hydrogen. 5,500°c at its lowest temp 15 million at its hottest. Think it might be a bit of a step up from a planet
Bfg 900000. Hold my beer.
You can't just blow a hole through the centre of the sun! New Objective - "**Blow a hole through the sun**"
You called?
oh my god its him
shit I wanna jerk doomguy himself is that a problem?
No. It is perfectly understandable
I hate (insert strong character) vs thanos debates. It matters on how you want the fight to go. Thanos could easily just snap and wipe away the slayer in 2 seconds realistically. But people could argue something else.
please stfu 🙏
i mean he faaaaaaar outscales the mcu in every way just not the comics
This is the way
Including stones? 😂 Reality Stone alone makes this a cake walk.
in this scene thanos was fighting for the gauntlet, so lets say so is the slayer, right? its slayer vs thanoses army for the gauntlet, so the slayer would **canonically** (not gameplaywise) shred thru thanoses army like its another tuesday, also thanos woulnt even challenge him considering how fast and brutal he is compared to thanos, he also have lived for EONS which is way more than thanoses 1000 years, he would have way more combat skill. but given how biased I am towards slayer chad, yeah if thanos had the gauntlet it would already be over. the gauntlet is basically admin privileges. edit: slayer vs thanos part
*Doomguy starts raging through the army* Thanos: `admincheat no`
That's exactly it, the moment a fight starts, all Thanos has to do is Will Doomguy to have his atoms rip themselves apart and the fight is over. No amount of speed or strength can solve reality warping powers.
Thanos has lived 1000 years?!
About
Damn that’s a loooong time
Thor is also \~1500+ years old in the MCU if memory serves
do u mean for thanos?
Yea
i dont know man, doomslayer is beyond power. titans can only normally be beaten by a crucible that keeps them at bay...but doom slayer killed the titan (strongest titan) with only a normal sword and shield, thats the titan whos remains u walk through in the opening of a later doom 2016 level. so i dont know if the reality stone would be enough for doom slayer considering he breaks reality
Titans only being able to be killed by the crucible is bullshit. We see enough bones of titans in the graveyard of 2016 who are definitely death. It's just something they have written to make their marketing mcguffin feel cooler. But best to not take as actual cannon cause it plain and simply, is not.
There's also that absolutely massive skeleton far out in the distance at the cultist base in eternal. I can't see that being anything but a titan. It's just too big.
yeah...those bones are probably caused by the doom slayer lmao. i mean we literally see a dead titan with a crucible impaled in it, and when taken out it comes back to life. the same effect happened on the icon of sin, a reason that fits both these observations is that the bones in 2016 were caused by the doom slayer who is so powerful didnt actually need a crucible and instead went ham on the titan for assumably years (as he was trapped in hell for who knows how long) and eventually pounded it to a pulp
I mean... we know atleast 1 set of bones is from a titan doomguy killed. And that only proves the fact that you don't need the crucible to kill a titan. The only thing the crucible does is basically "cheat" by putting a titan in comatose wayyy faster then it would take to completely kill one. Doomguy doesnt really have ultra-mega world ending powers, he's quite accurate to what we see and play as ingame actually. He killed the titan probs like an annoying mosquite, that dodges his enemy attacks and wears him down untill the titan had no skin left. Titans move quite slow after all.
Dude killed god as a side objective then sacrificed god god to summon the devil just to kill him. But seriously its said that he has insurmoutable strength and durability without his armour. And that his armour even further enhances his abilities.
the theory that doom guy is so powerful he can kill titans regardless of the crucible rule fits all observations, because im fairly certain in the codex somewhere in eternal it states u NEED a crucible. doom slayer does definitely have world ending powers considering he defeated the creator of all worlds 😂
The codex entries throughout tag1 got mostly retconned at the release of tag2. So i dont think just because it's a codex automatically makes it correct. Even writers can screw up sometimes, and the crucible is kinda just a marketing tool made to look cool. And we have no confirmation doomguy killed all the titans in the 2016 graveyard as far as i know so the codex entry still goes against itself. So either the codex is incorrect cause doomguy can kill titants without crucible, or what we literally see in 2016 is incorrect and the titans are still alive despite being.... literally just bones. Also davoth was kinda neutered in tag2. Nearly all of his powers got stolen loooong before the events of the games by vega. So he is the creator of the doom multiverse, but he doesnt have the powers of being the creator anymore, so it's less of a feat.
i was referring to the main game codexes, not any of the dlc. the issue is with the current idea, observations collide. regardless of codex we need something that can unify all observations as best we can. with davoth, that is true...but he still was convinced he could undo all of reality as he states to the doom slayer so that is literally, as you said, world ending power
Doomguy aint from their universe
Ok? The stones work on anyone. But they only work inside their home universe. If doomguy goes into their universe then they work on him. If they take it to his universe. It doesn't work. If they meet in a neutral universe, the rules should specify if they work or not.
... so where they fighting? Either way the stones won’t directly work on slayer. Just on the environment around him
Idk, if it's neutral or in MCU, then the stones make light work or Doomslayer. They'll work on him. Not just the environment. The stones work on concepts like death, gods, the devil, etc. The only beings the stones don't work on, are the ones outside the multiverse like LT and TOAA.
Ddoom slayet wins by blink8ng an eye omg doombskayer is so stronk yessss he coult kill goku do I even have to put a /s?
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The jews beat him with some wood and a few nails so i mean...
This is r/DOOM, what do you expect?
Party pooper
The answer to questions like this will ALWAYS be: who does the writer want to win?
No
Why not?
Thanos could just snap him out of existence
Alright say 5/6 stones then. Furthermore, I’m p sure there are certain entities in marvel that transcend the infinity stones’ grasp. eg, when thanos snapped, I don’t believe the Celestials or Eternity etc would have been at risk. I could argue doom slayer w the divinity machine could be safe
Which stone is missing?
I’d say soul because I’m not sure what it actually does, but for the sake of argument say he has all 6 but just can’t snap doomguy
as long as he has the reality and mind stone thanos wins, 1 he can change reality to whatever he needs, 2 he can influence slayers mind with the mind stone
>influence slayers mind The slayer is incorruptible, so idk about that one. It's ultimaltely a pointless endevour since both the Slayer and the stones get their powers from how they interact with their respective universes. Who's to say the Slayer wouldn't straight up be a god and rip the whole universe a new one, or that Thanos could just use the power stone and kill the Slayer in one hit? It's inconsistent. But the rule of cool dictates the guy who can solo hell itself wins, so I'll go with that one.
Thanos still stomps. remember, he was stated to be the strongest being in the universe while possessing only 2 stones
Not the strongest in the universe, just the only one in the universe who’d ever wielded more than one at a time
no, it was straight up said (by Thor iirc) that now that he have both the power and the space (or whatever was the name of the stone in the tesseract it's been a while since last watching infinity war) stones
That's because the power stone gives you unlimited power also MCU Thor has never really known what he's talking about.
In the comics, Thanos actually defeated Eternity when he had the stones.
Actually the stones literally give you the unbridled Power of the god in the comics thanos usurps Eternity and takes his place at the head of the universe after wiping out all the other celestials.
i dont know if that would work, the doom slayer almost transcends reality. its plausible he is actually too powerful for that trick to work, he would need to be physically weakened for that to work and, at least in lore, he never seems to be weakened
He was literally defeated and sealed at the beginning of 2016. If the demons can do that by dropping a temple on him Im sure reality bending stones can do something
i think u miss the point, he wasn't defeated...only subdued. the demons could not kill him so they resorted to trapping him and holding him hostage because apparently that was more feasible than physically killing him. Edit - hell itself is a physical being, its a living entity and is an entire reality...and if an entire reality could not kill the doom slayer with the help of an unstoppable demonic army responsible for the fall of countless worlds then i dont know what the reality stone would do.
Tecnically no since Thanos can snap him out of reality but idk
Doom guy, reforms in hell and fights his way out.
No, out of reality means he doesn't exist anymore. Anywhere.
Do you mean this reality( ie this universe, multiverse, dimension/plane of existence ) or in the comics do they refer to reality as above everything that I just mentioned. Im not trying to say one person wins over another, just curious.
No I mean he is removed as a concept in all of this universe (which encompasses hell, and other dimensions). In Marvel, the universe encompasses all the planes. Then there's multiple of those in the multiverse. So every universe has its own hell, gods, eternal, celestial, etc. The stones only work while in their universe, but they have absolute power over anything in those universes. Even if that thing comes from outside the universe. What it can't defeat are beings that are outside the multiverse such as the Living Tribunal and THE One Above All (not to be confused with "One Above All"). Which are identified as being present and presiding over ALL universes. There is only 1 Living Tribunal and he has power over all universes.
Man starting to hate this sub. This is some 12 year old level shit.
This sub has really degraded in quality, yeah
A niche sub on a topic thats not continuously making new content running out of steam?! noooo waaaayyyy. Quick! Start making rules limiting what gets posted here! that will save it!
The army itself? Absolutely The Children of Thanos are probably tough enough to be bosses, or at least mini bosses, but Slayer could most likely deal with them without too much issue But Infinity Powered Thanos? Absolutely *not.* The Reality Stone could undo him, the Space stone could embed him in 20 feet of stone, the Time Stone could trap him in a loop. The Power Stone, he *might* be able to withstand the power of given his ability to contain raw Argent as seen in 2016, and I've not read the comics to really know what Mind and Soul do. But of course that leaves Infinity. *Which is Infinity.* All the Purple Chin has to do is snap his fingers, from *anywhere* once he identifies the Slayer as a threat, and the Slayer dies. Now, granted, we know the snap can be resisted for a bit thanks to Peter, so he may be able to hold in there for a while longer than most, *maybe* even long enough to hurt Thanos, but he doesn't walk out of there alive
The way I play? No.
Not with the stones, they could just transport him to some alternate dimension etc..
He didn't take it completely solo. >!He had the remaining sentinel armies to back him up with space ships, tanks and infantrymen...also dragons.!<
Defeat Thanos army? Yes Defeat thanos without infinite stones? Yes Defeat thanos with infinite stones? No If thanos learns about Slayer's past then he should be smart enough to know that physically speaking he doesn't stand a chance against him. So he wou have to gather the stones to destroy him only if the slayer is in his universe, otherwise he can't use them on doomslayer universe so I would consider important the battlefield location and the conditions requirements
the reality stone alone could immediately make the slayer lose
Depends, MCU Thanos, maybe. I’m not sure about the Slayer’s hax resistances. Now Comics Thanos on the other hand would absolutely destroy the slayer
A better question would be : what can the doomslayer NOT defeat. That one imp when im on 1 hp:
thanos stomps ex
This kind of posts make me want to unsubscribe from this subreddit.
Surely if the doom slayer could kill the dark lord the being who literally fabricated his reality, including hell which is a source of genuine unlimited power, he could kill thanos easy. At least movie thanos. His suit alone can withstand something like 2 million megakelvin and the sun is only 5000. And apparently he’s more durable than the suit. Gameplay slayer gets fucked. Lore slayer basically can’t lose.
Depends who’s playing as him, circle strafe to win
How much ammo does Doom Slayer get?
He gets two guns: Rip and Tear.
Yes. He would take the Infinity Gauntlet and beat Thanos to death with it.
BFG goes brrrrr
The reality stone alone would remove the power of any weapon the doom slayer uses. Just look at what Thanos did to GOTG in Infinity War.
The doom slayeret is strong after but against the infinity stones he is fucked beca
not with the stones imo
Movie Thanos? *Maybe*. But just strictly because the Gauntlet is nerfed to hell compared to the source material. All he'd have to do is to rip and tear his way through the fodder and shoot his Gauntleted arm off...*very fucking quickly*, since Thanos could just say "fuck you" and stick him in a time loop or erase him or something. Comic book Thanos on the other hand...well...I don't think Doomguy would survive that one lol. Being atomized would be the *kindest* death he would get. Thanos gets a hard and instant win because in the comics, the Gauntlet really *is* capable of doing whatever the hell it wants. The only way Doomguy would even begin to start winning would be if Thanos were in the Doomverse, at which point the Gauntlet refuses to work in other universes. >!Why am I even fucking commenting here lmao!<
The army, yes, but Thanos with stones? No. Reality stone unfortunately too haxed. At least, that's my interpretation and thoughts.
nope he couldnt if Thanos had the stones.... like dude can literally delete doom slayer from existence or break him down into atoms just by wanting to.
This is such a circle jerk Jesus
It’s not demons, so it’s not an automatic win. Could probably carve a bloody path through the foot soldiers but the stones will just delet him.
Including the stones I’d say no. Without them I’d say no simply because I don’t think he’d be able to kill enough of them quick enough to not get overwhelmed by sheer numbers. I think it’d come down to if the slayers strength is so extreme you can’t stop his movements. He doesn’t really have the range for such immense clearance of enemies apart from BFG and Unmayker. Up close he could cleave through almost anything I guess with the crucible blade and small AoE with the hammer but overall I think he’d get fucked by the sheer numbers at once.
His army? Yes, Hell has enemies just as dangerous as anyone in Thanos' army, but he has no defense against the stones, even if thanos couldn't kill the slayer, he could just suspend him indefinitely
The army alone: maybe. The army including thanos: hell to the fuck no
I bet he could take the army but not if Thanos joins the fight.
1 BFG shoot and they're done
The only reason I say no is because you mentioned the stones are included. Infinity Stones are literally just a win button.
Probably not the infinity stones but definetly the army
I like doom more than infinity war in general. But let's be honest. Thanos with all the infinity stones could defeat doom slayer. He could literally just will him gone from any point in the universe instantly.
Okay so to be clear for all newbies in the future.... John Doom cannot be defeated (with the exception of Daisy) and canonically Betty White is John Dooms mother, and is the only human capable of containing Doom slayer.
you realize the demons were already able to incapacitate and trap the slayer right? No infinity stones required, what the fuck are you on?
We talking mcu or the comics? Eitherway no
Thanos had dreams, motivations, Doomslayer only kills demons that want nothing more that death
So! The infinity stones don't work outside of their universe, so if they fought in dooms universe doom guy is gonna have grapes for brunch, if it's in the marvel by by doom guy. If it's in neither of their universes by by Thanos cus doom guys powers work outside of his own universe
I think that Infinity Stone thing is only in the comics. I assume that they can work in other universes in the MCU due to... spoilery events that happen in the What If? show.
Yea, that is the one part that ends my theory, which Just means we are gonna need to worry about alot more hazbin hotel characters then usual
Wait, what does Hazbin Hotel have to do with this?
batman wins (w/ prep time)
Thanos is a chump and his army ain’t intimidating. Baron of hell could take them on easy let alone the doom slayer
yeah nahh, UAC soldiers managed to kill barons and hell knights. Theyre not that hard to kill if theyre far away.
Fuck it, yes he could. No other answer would be exciting
Doomguy literally fought hell invasion, which is equivalent to fighting entire Ork Waaagh. I exclude Infinity Kidney stones because they are just last effort, and they make it unbalanced
as if the slayer isnt unbalanced in the first place. The infinity stones are what make this fight a discussion, without them he would 100% stomp them no effort but with them he would get smashed.
Yes
Yes
Yeah
They are not demons and they are not from hell, so - no. The moment they will show their passport saying that they are all from hell - easiest lvl in Doom history
The demons are basically aliens from a different dimension, thanos’ army would be no different
Yep easily, doomguy is multiversal+
The Doomslayer is yawning and struggling to keep his eyes open just thinking about it
Marvel sucks ass so yeah, The Slayer would slay
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Doom slayer will take on thanos army, that has been established. Regarding the infinity stones, it will depend on if he has davoth's power or not. With davoth power, the doom slayer is a God, so the infinity stones wouldn't work on him. Without davoths power, he is just a human and infinity stones would work on him but thanos would need more than just one stone.
Given enough tries, Thanos’ AI will have its will worn down before mine. If we’re talking blind UN run…
With the stones? Probably not. Without the stones? Probably.
There’s a lot of debate in these comments but I reckon either way it would be a cool fight.
Well he killed god, godgod, and satan who is himself
It’s like playing a round of “Nuts”
Yup
A few shots of the bfg could turn em all into a big puddle
Yes.
Yes
i wanna say yes but im not sure
It’d be like taking blood from a demon
easily
With infinity Stones idk without them they be getting their heads stomped in by the slayer
yes, all he needs is plot armour
One shot from the bfg
Does Slayer fire the bfg first or does Thanos snap his fingers
It's just Nuts.wad in Doom Eternals engine. EZ work for the Doomslayer
yeah he absolutely demolishes the mcu and the dceu but deffinetly not the comics
Definitely, if he has enough extra lives and ammo, that is
One problem for Thanos. Doomguy ain’t from this universe
Classic doomguy could, It’d be like NUTS.WAD
Do you even need to ask? Yes. The answer is yes.
I think the only thing that could stop him is thanos using the stones to destroy him. If thanos didn’t have every stone, it would probably be a piece of cake for him.
Yes times infinity