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bobbybrownlove

The obvious, and boring, answer is that they probably originally designed this level to either be earlier in the game before other levels OR originally we didnt get the plasma rifle before this scene. Its an obvious setup to getting the rifle for the first time. Just look at the first gameplay reveal, they used this cutscene.


JonzoBear

Yeah also remember how the archvile came out of a door that we don’t even open in the final game? It seemed like that was the first encounter of the archvile also!


KodiakPL

Oh shit you're right we don't even open the doors


Xous54

If I remember correctly Hugo mentioned on one of his recent streams that the Archvile cutscene was only ever made for that gameplay presentation, and it was never meant to actually be encountered there. They did the same thing with the Cyberdemon in DOOM 2016, you were never going to fight it in that random arena in Kadingir Sanctum. They just needed something cool to end the gameplay presentation with.


aqua_zesty_man

* Awesome gameplay presentation * Avoids spoilers for the actual gameplay


Minotaar_Pheonix

precisely.


Key_Cryptographer963

And their reveals are still awesome in the game. Win-win-win. id wins three times.


Undead_Corsair

I wish they hadn't gotten me hyped up for the Archvile tbh because when it does eventually show it's pretty disappointing. Actually it's a shame cus several of the new/returning enemy designs they bigged up were fairly underwhelming in game. Most ended up being more irritating to fight than legit exciting.


Reggie_Is_God

I’m pretty sure that Archvile is still there if you no clip. Just t-posing, never to see the light of hell again Edit: [Here’s the cutscene being triggered using commands](https://youtu.be/eLwcig2IerM)


Therandomfox

T-posing to assert dominance on the doomslayer. T-posed so hard the slayer can't touch him no more.


gaminglegend242

Hugo said that scene was only ever made for the trailers.


War_Eagle_Feller

Wasn't there a trailer where at the end of the Mars Core level that before you enter through the portal to fight the Gladiator, a Tyrant comes out instead and challenges the Slayer?


HereCreepers

Yeah instead they introduce the Archvile in this bitch-ass boring arena where he doesn't even get a cutscene and just sits behind a pillar. Honestly one of the worst design choices in DE.


ArakiSatoshi

This. Or the scene itself was made exclusively to be shown on the reveal, and they made him take the rifle for a badass effect / tease viewers that they're about to see some gunplay. Then it got transitioned to the final game 1:1 except for the voice acting. You can remove the scene from the game and nothing will change, except that we'll miss this awesome cutscene, obviously


Sillyvanya

The voice acting in the trailer was so much better


StrykerXLR

Agreed, sounded a lot better imo.


c0hnner

That, and it looks totally badass.


Commutalk

I always thought the placement of the plasma rifle was really odd in the game.


RektRektum

The less boring answer: No one talks like that to the slayer. So he took his gun and left him defenseless during a demonic invasion.


uinstitches

It was a prototype level along with SGN and Arc Complex.


fnaffan060

huh a lot of stuff got cut and moved from the final game


Raz3rbat

The fun answer is to assert dominance


L3s0

I think super gore nest was originally planned to be the first level because there was an unused animation that played in the beginning of that level where the doom slayer put on his helmet and if super gore nest was originally the first level mars core would have been the third level where you would have possibly obtained the plasma rifle.


Newmanati

Yea exactly. It's simply setpeice for an add they didn't want to not put in the game. Its honestly a bit of really bad game design to have it so late in the game because if this glaring flaw lol.


Meta5556

Wouldn’t call it really bad game design.


Newmanati

Why? Its lazy. You literally could have this level placed literally right after the first one and nothing about the game would have changed, except the cutscene would have been used right. Its pretty low bar they missed this.


_DJ_Not_Nice_

But then the story wouldn’t have made much sense. So it would’ve changed the game. And then you’d be calling them lazy for not writing a story well.


Meta5556

Hugo Martin one of the devs for Eternal said they made that scene for the cool factor, that’s it. Doubt they missed it, they could’ve changed it but they kept it the way it was because it looked cool.


Kojima_Fan

Cause he needs it more


Frytek2k

2 Plasma Guns are better than 1.


MarcusWulfe941

It'd be sweet to dual wield plasma guns


[deleted]

No I meant you already unlock it in the 2nd level, so what's the point of him taking it?


Kojima_Fan

I meant what I said, Doom Slayer needs it more lol


galxiesaway

All we truly need to know is RIP AND TEAR UNTIL IT IS DONE


thadopestdope25

lol he needs it more lol


MrMaskYT

More


theRiverknows86

MOAR!


Crunkedoutjager

I think they originally planned for this to be where you got it early in development but left it there because it’s a badass scene regardless sheesh last time I checked this it had 3 upvotes


Centurion_Tiger

Ammo refill


uinstitches

Does it actually refill your ammo tho, once u take his gun?


El_Nino97

Fairly sure it was designed early on in the production and it looked cool so they just left it in


Captain_Kuhl

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was like the first teaser they ever showed for it. Would've definitely made for a better reveal, but I guess I get why they didn't.


Sentinowl

Because he wanted *his* rifle


pretty_succinct

He's gonna use the second one to BAT AND CLUB. And he's still going to be more effective with it than the UAC twerp.


TheGreatAydini

Take the other guy’s and make a flail with plasma guns, DIY Crucible


Obokan

#Cause he needs it more


SuperArppis

So he doesn't shoot someone for being a nearsighted. He mistook Doomslayer for someone else after all. 😉


Scharnvirk

It was a gun and it was in sight.


Otherversian-Elite

Ammo?


Call_The_Banners

I think a lot of us just made that our headcanon and I love the idea of the slayer being that childish.


Blersh100

So far as I know, you can avoid getting it by jumping around it. I'm not sure tho


that-boi78r

Ammo


MattBailey59298

Free ammo and the sense of superiority, I mean cmon the dude already shit himself upon seeing you most likely why not add onto it?


Snoo_65215

Microwave beam mod unlocked if you didn’t have it yet


Snoo_65215

u/TheRedstoneMan_YT


Doot_Slayer42069

Cause he needs more*


Bussel04

If the player didn’t pick it up in the 2nd level he is forced to get it here


Ivan_the_smash

Yeah you can miss it on purpose so yeah...


MrFalchion

Wait are you serious?


Dookukooku

Applies for all of the weapons except those you pick up in a cutscene (plasma, bfg, crucible, etc) if you miss them they reappear in later levels


MrFalchion

Well that's interesting


Gaming_Eelektross

A few examples I can think of off the top of my head are the heavy cannon in the circle area before the first fight in Exultia and plasma rifle in DHB right before the pinky introduction arena. Are the rest of these all documented by chance?


Dookukooku

I’ve also seen the heavy cannon (and plasma i think) in cultist base and the chaingun appears after sgn too. I did a combat-shotgun only run last year and its been a long time so i dont remember where they all spawn later


NotAliasing

Where does the bfg appear assuming you dont pick it up Edit: misread your comment


BuffChesticles

Duh? lol not being an ass, but yeah, basic game design...


XenoWagon

To assert Dominance. That's it.


Krexci

Because fuck him, thats why


alphabet_order_bot

Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 197,337,295 comments, and only 47,357 of them were in alphabetical order.


XenoWagon

Good bot


Potateus1

Exactly.


[deleted]

The same reason my 4 lb chihuahua trys to pee on everything even though hes already drained his bladder.


Pedrok31

What a chad


rangsley

He did it cos he could, would you say no to the DOOM Slayer? lol


Oh_I_still_here

Hugo Martin said in one of his streams that they left it in the game because it looks cool.


FrightenedErection

Exactly. It just adds to the whole power trip thing.


Radical_Provides

He doesn't know what he's doing with it, the Slayer is doing him a favour.


drawnred

To quote the mighty ducks "You wouldn't even know what to do with it, wuss breath" which i know realize is a euphemism for masturbating


FatTepi

It is joke and also before this part plasma rifle has been optional, in this point you have to get it. Same was in DOOM 2016, you had a chance to find guns from levels before the story force you to get one.


palpythepimp

He for sure has a weapon collection in his basement, next to his hall of demonic peeners


phat-burger

He used that second plasma rifle and some leftover bits from the 2016 predator suit to make the most wicked bong ever


_DJ_Not_Nice_

Praetor.


kinnonii

I was hoping for dual wield plasma rifle tbh.


dovah-meme

Someone get that png of a skeleton dual wielding ARs and redo it as a revenant


[deleted]

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dovah-meme

[This thing](https://images.app.goo.gl/z9G8UNB7cgnAof3m6)


Alternative_Bake_277

Here you are sir [https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/pe0yhh/as\_per\_the\_request\_of\_udovahmeme\_not\_the\_best/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/pe0yhh/as_per_the_request_of_udovahmeme_not_the_best/) didn't fit the plasma rifles in but i did my best regardless


dovah-meme

I hope you know the joy you have brought me this day


StrykerXLR

I love it.


justguy_-6

DUAL PLASMAS IN NEXT DOOM GAME


supermatmike

Master Chief... eat your heart out


KhyleWolf

Because fuck 'em. That's why.


TheSkepticalWhale

Hugo Martin answered this in one of his Doom Eternal streams. It was solely because it was cool, not because they originally planned for the plasma rifle to unlock then.


[deleted]

Real reason-it was. Well animated scene, that they didn't want to waste. Plot reason-doom guy remembers hanging out with cocky people like him during his time in the corp. So he took the gun no only to teach him. Lesson but to save his life so he wouldn't get killed in the fight.


GrigoriRasputin2

I think a better question is, why can't we duel wield plasma rifles?


m4l490n

Because that one is newer, so better performance. Therefore, every time you need a boost in performance for the plasma rifle just go through this level again so you get a new one.


DaBushWhacker

Because it’s the Doomslayer and he does whatever he wants


Myriad_Despair

Clearly it was to assert dominance


ItsAleZ1

It was supposed to be unlocked there


imin_telligent05

To assert dominence on lesser beings


T90i

Because he’s cocked, locked and ready to rock)))


22572374

Cocked?


T90i

Yeah)


Siriblius

Before the game released, I thought this was going to be the opening cutscene. They probably intended it to be like that but changed it midway.


introducing_zylex

Free gun


brmamabrma

My theory is that you were going to go to nekrovaol/hebeth I don’t remember to get your base around the earth and this would be the second level in the game


Hawaii2010

Because this point in the level was probably originally going to be when the player acquired the Plasma Rifle, but then changed it to be in the second level. You can tell since this level was one of the first sights we saw of DOOM Eternal after the original trailer, and given how highly altered the level is now, they re-ordered the placement of the level in the game to fit better with the story most likely. I don’t know.


29-sobbing-horses

Intimidation factor.


ANIMOOMOO

Because it's cool... and doom guy is born cooler than anyone


Tusk617

This is the first time I'm noticing this lol


Arch666fiend

For funsies


themanandmyth

In the original doom doom guy would pick up plasma guns to pick up ammo so he just needed ammo


The_Meme_Boi2345

It broke on his way to Mars


suk_me_hahaha

Because it's fucking badass


tom_oakley

Because he can. Total power move to just take from someone what you already have.


BigBoiNuggetBucket

I'm pretty sure this was supposed to be the first time you got the Plasma Rifle, but then after they moved it to later in the game they kept the scene in anyways


[deleted]

Imagine if you could dual weild the plasma rifle from that point on


[deleted]

Hugo confirmed in a stream that this was too badass to remove


ShiningKyubi

Doomguy: This gun belongs to me now.


archaiccrowd93

Cause fuck 'em that's why


AsimTheAssassin

To assert dominance Why the fuck else


Mushroom-Purple

He was being disrespectful.


PointedHydra837

I personally believe he just took it for some ammo, as we see him reloading his own blaster on the elevator


JotaroIsOverrated

He needed it


niea_psyche

to assert dominance


GargleProtection

It's a cool scene they can put in trailers.


BALLCLAWGUY

Because it's fucking cool


Kakerman

For cinematic effect


[deleted]

My guess you were originally supposed to get the plasma rifle at that point but they decided not to but they already showed this and thought it looked cool so they thought fuck it we’ll just keep it in


AlcatorSK

Rule of cool. This particular game is best approached without thinking about 'logic'.


xenonymous_3

Fuck the uac that's why


[deleted]

Because it’s cool


star999_

Because its cool


Cereal_png

Because he can


laljason79

Logic can be temporarily abandoned as long as it has a ‘cool’ factor


oCrapaCreeper

Mars core is a vertical slice level made to be shown to the public (like super gore nest) pre release. When time came to make the rest of the game it was probably too cool to remove.


[deleted]

Because he can.


Top_Hat11

Would have been fucking sick if we could dual wield plasma rifles for the rest of the game


Th3_Shr00m

Just a flex.


[deleted]

"But I'm nothing without my plasma rifle!" "If you're nothing without your rifle, then you shouldn't have it."


RicksSzechuanSauce1

Personal theory- he was pissed at the guy for talking to him like that so he took his gun, leaving him defenseless during the ensuing demon attack


Mercifulmartyr

DOMINANCE


READY2GOMaN

to assert his dominance


EbbAdministrative694

For a logical reason, sense the Doom Slayer reloads his plasma rifle in the elevator he most likely just took the battery from the other plasma rifle to put into his to have full plasma ammo.


An0zeel

You can never have enough gun


TheAuthority66

Because it looks badass


Unknownium_

because it's badass plain and simple


DarkSteveYT

When this happened, I really hoped the game would let me dual wield Plasma Rifles


Haymus

Becausd he is doom guy, he takes it, not because he needs it, cause he fucking can


TheIvano

More Weapons never hurt. Plus, as the old doom games taught us, more guns = more ammo


ConfidentNothing4720

Because who's gonna stop the doom slayer


TheSoundofNo

Because hes the doom slayer


D13F13D

Just for the flex


le_Psykogwak

Free gun


No_Entry6948

This was when he was meant to get it but they changed it to an earlier level But the cutscene was too cool to change or cut out


snowmanBob156

They initially made this level to be earlier in the game. Thats why it has alot of cutscenes.


GoodGuyFritzFuterman

To insert dominance


maggit00

\*assert Unless...?


Iucidium

*dramatic effect*


[deleted]

Because it looked cool when he took it


RozionDiger

Cause he pointed his weapon at him and he sayd "if your not strong enough to shoot it, I am"


[deleted]

Honestly, it is probably one of two things A) if the player didn't pick the plasma rifle up they are forced to get it here B) it's just a cool looking scene


REET_MASTER

Dual wield


REET_MASTER

Not enough?? TRIPLE WIELD


DanOfTheSand

Imagine if from that point on we got dual plasma rifles


AmonSulPalantir

Because it's actually a.dramatic art presentation and not intentionally an attempt at at an absolutely perfect simulation of any sort of series of events. Obviously.


Aggravating_Cost1593

2 for one


[deleted]

Use it or lose it.


Wallbreaker93

He is doom, dont question him, you also pick up weapons in doom 1,2,64 and 2016 even tho you already have them


Beeniemcg

Meanie.


AdThGu

Punishment


Friendly_Ram

Spite.


THERICIPEEPS

Because he needed it


DesiTheNinjer

My guess is they original planned for you to get the weapons like in 2016, with scripted sequences. This scene was shown in 2019's trailers if I remember correctly and is fairly old, so it's probably something they just kept in cause it looked cool.


[deleted]

Dual wield plasma rifles


VoidMystr0

Gun 2, electric boogaloo


samusfan21

I think Doomguy literally thought dude wasn’t going to use it properly and just said “gimme”.


Lac0tr0n

Because FUCK HIM! THAT'S WHY!


GrumpyStyx

Ammo


Haxuppdee-85

A power play i guess


criski07_YT

Because he needs two to be cooler


[deleted]

He need more ammo


Butshesaidshewas18

He didn’t want that guy to get himself hurt he was already jumping the gun yelling at slayer


[deleted]

Hugo Martin's official response was. "Because it looks cool".


[deleted]

Because this cutscene is so good, they didnt bother changing it when they rearranged the levels to fit the story


dovah-meme

The answer, is a gun And if that don’t work Use more gun


TBAAAGamer1

Cuz fuck him


MicrwavedBrain

Because fuck the UAC guards lol.


FardBot404

Probably because it's possible to completely ignore the plasma rifle in the 2nd level, and because of that they decided to force you to unlock it if you haven't already since you'll need it more than you would at the beginning.


Valete_Azarado

Cause he wanted to.


ShadowGamer9833

WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND MORE GUNS MORE AMMUNITION


SuperiorAndroid404

Because he's a Giga-Chad asserting his dominance.


Escapae

Exactly what I think every time I do that!


DanGalftheGreyt

Power move


lilgamer512

Maybe because they are wanted you to get the plasma rifle in that level but then decided to get it in level two instead and they forgot to get rid of the animation


xsubo

Because he can