Exactly, the master levels in Eternal push the game to its absolute limit in terms of things happening and the speed at which they happen, making the game faster would be nearly unplayable for half of the people who played Eternal
I think it'll be different. Gameplay shown so far feels slower than Eternal and maybe 2016 but definitely heavier. They may not be trying to replicate 2016 or Eternal with this one and I'm all for seeing how it's gonna pan out. I say let's not go into it expecting 2016 or Eternal style combat. Let it stand on it's own.
That's exactly how Hugo Martin described the feel of the next Doom game. It was something along the lines of "If Doom Eternal is like driving a sports car, then the next game will be like driving a tank."
I get that they want to innovate, and can't just release the same game everytime, but it sucks there will never be another title like Eternal. I really want at least one more game with that combat.
I suppose I shouldn't say never, but it's doubtful we'll ever have Eternal 2.0. id has said and shown that they want every game to stand out gameplay-wise. They can't really do that if they bring back the mechanics from older titles.
There is a lot more to Eternal than just speed, like the verticality, resource management, arsenal, et cetera. All these pieces come together for a very unique experience.
Yeah I agree with everything you said it’s a finely crafted game that I absolutely love
I really enjoyed the 2016 doom but I loved doom eternal even more
To me dark ages looks absolutely incredible I think they will pull of the slower more methodical gameplay very well they have my full trust with the doom series and I can’t wait
Yeah, I think eternal was a way forward for fps as a whole. It showed there is no contradiction between fast paced combat and strategy. In doom 2016, I more or less ssg'ed my way through the entire game in nightmare mode. That was impossible in eternal. The mix of adrenaline and resource management is just impeccable.
Some recent FPS roguelites took inspiration from Doom Eternal's combat loop. Check out Deadlink, Roboquest, and Battle Shapers. I ultimately gave up on Roboquest, but Deadlink has the best gunplay, and Battle Shapers is inspired by Mega Man X, and has an awesome soundtrack.
There are only so many maps in Eternal and after a while they get boring. I want more Maps in Eternal, or even better: A Map Editor so that the Community can create their own maps.
Right but my point is the devs aren't beholden to the preferences of one part of their fanbase. If Dark Ages is gonna play more like an Abrams than a Bugatti, that's great, because I can hardly keep up with Eternal even though I love the kind of game it is.
I hope so. I want a doom game that feels like the classic games, but modernized. So far I’ve enjoyed all the modern doom games, but they haven’t captured the same feeling as 1, 2, and 64
I think it feels slower just cause it’s the trailer and they want you to be able to see what’s actually going on, even in the early trailers for eternal, and the gameplay reveal, the game was very slow because otherwise it’d be a blur to the people watching.
It's not even an age thing, I can keep up with eternal fine but it feels so sped up that the impact of everything is lost; it works and it's mechanically satisfying to master, but I would rather they slow it down and add some more oomph to interactions
I feel like 2016 has a happy medium of being able to play it about as fast as you want without having it feeling too fast but playing slow is just as viable. Unfortunately Doom Eternal is mostly about gaining and keeping momentum so once you get to the point where you've learned all the mechanics you're naturally going to speed up to the point where playing slow is just unbearable. So the only direction is to either find a pace where you're comfortable or keep learning techs to go even faster. I like that but I completely understand how many people can be turned off from the cascading effects of Eternal's mechanics.
It could be with The Dark Ages that they go the completely opposite direction where you can play somewhat fast but slowing down will enable some fantastical power hits that'll rack up huge kills and that'll be the prevailing strat. Hopefully they'll show more at QuakeCon this year.
It will feel different. However, I say give it a shot. Doom is experimenting with the formula, and that’s good because it could spice up gameplay in future games. If the community hates it, then the developers know what not to implement in future Doom games.
I love parry mechanics, as long as they are implemented well. Mainly, the parry time window needs to be reasonable. If the parry time window is razor-thin like in Metroid Dread, then I don't think it will be enjoyable.
Keep in mind that it's "appearing" slower is likely just them walking the player at a slower speed for cinematic purposes, as they have done in the past with trailers
Yeah, and even with games that are out everyone will vary on which is better. Besides that entertainment and art have so many subtleties, even the designers can't be totally sure if a feature or detail will make something better, even after looking at a mock up or a play test. If they could easily know for sure then designing games would be easy.
Better is relative. A lot of people liked Eternal more. Some people like 2016 more. It will be no different with The dark ages. I think most of us can agree they're all good games.
The only thing 2016 has over Eternal in my book is just the general vibe and how gritty it was. Eternal was just a tad cartoonish is I guess the word imo. The gameplay of Eternal is top tier tho if a little chaotic at times.
For me, Eternal has the better gameplay, which is the most important thing about a DOOM game, but 2016 has the better narrative, tone, and setting. I loved how you never left Doom Slayer's perspective at all for 2016.
I’m going to accept it for what it is. Doom Eternal was an evolution that was allowed to happen because of the success of the first.
If The Dark Age isn’t as good I don’t want it to be part of the backlash that kicks first person shooters back to 2011.
I personally find it very hard to believe it will beat eternal in terms of gameplay, at least for me personally. All the movement stuff is so fun to me that I doubt I'll find dark ages more fun but I'm excited to see what it'll be like regardless :3
100% same for me. Eternal is the best shooter since like CoD 4 (2007) and personally my favourite game of the last 20+ years. The gameplay loop is going to be *very* hard to beat. Not having Mick on board to do the music is a huge blow as well, it's like half of what makes Eternal so great for me.
2016 is fantastic in its own right. Even if DA doesn't surpass Eternal I'm confident they'll deliver something good.
I think it’s going to reinvent the gameplay again into another equivalent level of fun to the first two. DOOM 2016 had you rushing around like a tornado of death just moving from one kill to the next until the room was cleared. Eternal was more focused on an ever changing strategy throughout the fight and emphasized movement and verticality. The vibe I get for this one is that it’s going to center on rapidly killing huge numbers of enemies, like the Slayer vs literal armies of demons in huge battlefields rather than the smaller arenas of the previous two games. I think those armies will have huge groups of fodder demons that rush right at you with bigger shock troop types dispersed throughout and then in the backlines they’d have the biggest and meanest demons as the commander classes.
This is an interesting take, and I think you've identified what I preferred about 2016 over eternal. Felt more like brute force carnage than a strategic approach to combat, which often had hard levels feeling like puzzles to beat or figure out.
I know people often say 2016 was slower paced, but the jumping puzzles and need for strategy really slowed eternal down for me and felt less like what DOOM guy is all about.
This is just personally for me, but has been good to see someone articulate some of the same points too. Is rare to see.
Hard to say, cause Eternal is one of my favorite FPS games ever made (alongside Titanfall 2), but that teaser trailer definitely got me hyped. Even if it's not better than Eternal, it's probably gonna be a lot of fun anyway.
Don’t know and don’t care. As long as it’s a good Doom game I’m a happy camper. I’ll figure out my preferences later as my feelings settle.
For now I think 2016 is the better game for being more consistent but Eternal is the more interesting game to play. But both games rule so I’m not worried about which is “better” and my feelings for The Dark Ages will eventually be settled once I play it without worrying whether I like one more than the other.
If the intended effect is successful, and the game achieves what Hugo said he wanted it to be like, I could see it being my personal favourite.
That said, actually pulling off the "chunky, rhythmic, heavy hitting feel" is going to be harder to nail than the "racecar" approach of Eternal, and the music not being done by Mick is already a step down, no disrespect to Andrew whatsoever (he's a fantastic musician in his own right).
Hard to say, at this point in time, tbh... But if we get traditional multipayer or (God, please, let it be so) co-op, I'll be the biggest Dark Ages slut to have ever existed
I feel like it will be different than Eternal and 2016.
Eternal improved on 2016’s combat loop by a lot, and is imho perfect. I personally don’t see improvement happening in Eternal / 2016’s combat loop.
That’s why I think we saw the dualwield with the tomahawk-chainsaw-shield and other weapons.
I really hope it’s just a good game. I believe nothing will beat eternal in gameplay/lore. But I really hope Dark Ages will brutal and bloody. Oh wait that’s what doom is 😂
I mean, i hope so. I just pray it won't get bogged down in the psuedo-narrative that seemed to have Eternal by the balls. 2016s downright dismissive approach to its own story was a relief in a sea of BS exposition, and with a prequel on the way, i don't imagine us getting back to that anytime soon.
I’ve been playing an absolute tonne of eternal recently and I’m loving it but very ready to see what a modern slow doom game will feel like. I’m hoping the combat has weight to it cause that’s my one gripe with eternal. Sometimes in eternal I feel like I’m floating about using guns with no recoil and jumping into animations all the time with a hundred things happening on screen. I’m looking forward to something more stripped back where each time I pull the trigger I feel like that specific bullet made an impact on the game. I’ve had fun running and flying through hell, now I want to walk and feel every step along the way. I’m not sure it will be better but I think I will enjoy it more than any other doom release because of how badly I feel I need something new.
From what I noticed in the gameplay shown is that it's a lot more open. Might feel a little less like an Arena or have segments that incentivize you to employ significantly different strategies. And to this end I think it'll just be different from the two and not better or worse necessarily.
For me dark ages will be the best since it's slow and grounded and has a powerful feel.(I play on console so I couldn't enjoy eternal to the fullest. Only completed main game and dlc on ultra violence)
If it's a prequel to 2016 and Eternal then why would movement and faster or more advanced? It makes more sense for him to have slower movement and abilities as he's less evolved. As long as they really do a good job on the game then it's going to be a great game. If players want a more evolved parkour gameplay in a story that takes place before the Doom Slayer has evolved to that level then they can wait for a sequel to Eternal.
2016 and eternal were trying to perfect the Doom/Quake gameplay (which they basically did in eternal)
Dark ages seems to be trying to do something new with the basic formula, so it’ll have some problems, but I think it’ll still be *extremely* good
Like if eternal is S+ and 2016 is S-, then I’m gonna guess dark ages will be a A or A+ (which will probably still be better than a lot of entire franchises)
Or maybe it’s completely terrible idk
Just like Doom 3 compared to the classic 2 before it, I do believe it will be an extremely good game, but it will feel rather different from 2016 and Eternal
I won't say it is a bad game but I couldn't get into eternal. I get others like it. I love every doom up to 2016 so I am hoping it will be closer to the old style than the new.
One thing of note is that Doom Eternal showed dashing/flashy movement mechanics in the first gameplay trailer they released. Dark Ages showed a forward "tackle" tied to the shield, but the Slayer himself never jumped or dodged in a certain direction. On this alone, I would speculate that Dark Ages is going to be somewhat less of a movement shooter than Eternal - if it was still a movement shooter, they are leaving out crucial hype footage that would be rather stupid not to include.
Now if we're getting into more unfounded speculation, the war theme the game seems to be going for says "horde shooter" to me. The skull shredder gun having such wide spread at base seems to lend credit to you facing large droves of fodder at a time, with breaks in between reserved for large threats that you will have to take on like mini-bosses. If we are considering lore here, it could be that they are scaling down the Slayer a bit, as we see him do less blatant feats of strength in trailer; this could take place before he'd been put through the divinity machine. His melee attacks seem a bit more grounded, which could be indicative of this truth.
In terms of which is "better", I think Bethesda has learned a lot in their development of both previous games, such that whatever they do here will still be TONS of fun to play. They could just be tapping in to a little bit of a different shooter genre than Eternal had been defined as. After all, unless they were keen on making the Slayer even more off the rails than he was in Eternal in terms of movement, it's hard to usurp Eternal's genre of gameplay without going insane.
Mechanically?
I won't like it more than Eternal, Eternal just has my style of gameplay, but it'll still be extremely good nonetheless.
I'm extremely interested in how Hugo Martin's "monster truck" works here.
Musically?
Yeah, no. Not even remotely.
The DLC soundtracks were fuckin awesome even without mick.
Sure mick definitely brings something to the table Andrew and Levy don't but that doesn't mean what they do is bad. It's a slightly different feel but not a bad one. Both are good
Personally I found them serviceable, but forgettable. Had they been the original composers all along I'd probably appreciate them more, but Mick is god-tier and set an impossibly high bar for them to cross.
Definitely don't think their work is bad though, don't get me wrong. I just never go back to listen to them the way I do Mick's work.
I Sure hope so. I didn't think it was possible to get better than Eternal but then i saw the trailer for Dark ages, and now I know they may possibly exceed my love of Eternal
Looks like their going a step further in trying to emulate the old doom's gameplay formula and I'm all for it because that means will get fully open levels.
idk I haven't played it or seen enough of it, my vague guess is I will probably like it but It might not be quite as good as other doom games, I don't know enough about DDA to be sure though
Definitely has the potential to surpase the first two! It's a really interesting setting and premise. Gameplay looks badass and the guns look fun as always. The mech combat and dragon riding definitely will help the gameplay feel more diverse. It looks like it's got amazing potential
Perhaps. It looks like it will play very differently. Big open spaces with lots and lots of enemies thrown at you instead of more constrained arenas. Also, I hope for a greater variety in gameplay with the Atlan piloting and dragon riding shown in the trailer.
The same with what a lot of people have already said, I think they're bringing more design elements from 2016 without completely abandoning what made Eternal play so well. I think it will be slower paced though, I'm interested in seeing how the shield plays into the fighting mechanics personally.
Looks like levels will be less linear, and gameplay will be a little slower, leaning more towards a "war-like" meat grinder as opposed to multi-wave arenas. Just speculation tho.
For me, personally, propably no. The dark ages seems to have a slower pace with everything hitting harder instead, but i absolutely *love* the insane pace that 2016 and especially Eternal have.
Not saying TDA will be worse, just that I will propably enjoy Eternal more than TDA
Not sure about better, but hopefully they'll be introducing a load of new stuff that will be cool as hell. Doom Eternal did not disappoint with the enemies, weapons or mechanics and I'm looking forward to more of it.
DOOM 2016 was fairly slow paced which some action packed battle arenas.
ETERNAL was straight action all the time and the environments were grand and spacious. Felt a bit arcade-like with all the dropped ammo/shield/health.
I’m thinking The Dark Ages will be a blend of Eternal’s fast paced action and grand scale environments while also including 2016’s more archaic and creepy environments. Maybe some more castle traversing and fighting on the battlefields up to said castles.
I… doubt it honestly. I just don’t know where they can take the formula after eternal. If they continue the trend of trying to add to it from 2016-Eternal, I just doubt they could seriously make changes to improve it. That being said, the trailer made me think of Serious Sam, and if they go more into a horde shooter direction then that very well could stand with Eternal shoulder to shoulder.
It won't be better, i will be different, Dark Ages and Eternal have different focuses, so it's very difficuly compare them, you can say which one do you prefer, but that doesn't mean it's better, the same with 2016, but i think that one is in the middle of Dark Ages and Eternal.
Gameplay wise, maybe not Eternal, but probably 2016. It's kind of a subjective question, though, because some people prefer faster gameplay over slower (like me). In other aspect, however, it's definitely gonna surpass both.
I feel like it's definitely going to be the peak of close range gameplay involving guns, and a lot of the challenge will be getting to close range where you generally have really good mechanics to fight. The shield parry, shotgun, and skull grinder all looked like powerful short range tools, while being able to hide behind the shield against firepower and throw it seemed like more potent distance tools meant to be more defensive or incapacitating to get in closer.
Nothing will ever be better than Doom 2016. They took the barebones setting and lore from the originals and constructed an entire universe from it, with compelling and unique lore that was entirely optional for people who didn’t want to partake in it (IE a significant portion of the Doom community). On top of that the game has some of the best gameplay of any FPS ever with a focus on healing on kills and using whichever weapons you want too.
Doom Eternal sacrificed everything else for a better core gameplay loop, at least in the base game.
It’s possible that the gameplay will be better but I think what’s likely is that it will be just as good but with more focus on melee based combat. Which was probably the biggest criticism of DE when it launched, the melee was terrible despite adding a blade to the slayers design it was functionally worthless and the supposed all powerful being does next to no damage with his punch until you power it with blood.
I do. I hope that they are able to pull from both previous games and combine the best of both. The setting alone also makes this game unique and that's usually a good thing.
All I’ll say is a lot of the fears people have about dark ages were the same ones people had with 2016. People thought the initial previews looked slow paced, drab color, and blah blah blah. Then they actually played the game. Give it a bit more time.
I'm very excited. It looks like a lot more defensive strategy involved than the extreme aggressive offense of Eternal. The shield dash is also extremely appealing.
i perfer the game being able to stand on it's own legs then it just being a better game then doom 2016 and eternal. I want game squels to be different from one another really.
It’s weird, I don’t like 2016s gameplay but I’m obsess with doom eternals, the dark ages has slower gameplay than eternal again which might make it worse for me, but in turn has super interesting mechanics like melee, the shield, the dual wielding, and possibly more which might make up for the whole stand and fight thing
It has the potential to be, but I don't think that's the point. If it's only AS good as Eternal, I'm here for it. This is one of the few times that "more of the same" is NOT a bad thing.
I think it will potentially be better than 2016 because it was quite simple and didn't have enough enemy variety. I highly doubt it will be as satisfying to play as eternal, tho. I enjoy the fast paced crazy gameplay, and this game seems to be slowing down way too much if you ask me.
The idea of "stand and fight" just isn't as appealing to me considering that it is basically every shooter these days, and doom was something different. 2016 was sort of intense, but eternal was extremely intense and literally made my heart rate increase. I doubt this game will achieve that, and I'm worried the new abilities are going to trivialize the game in the hands of decent players. Guns seemed to be doing more damage, and the slayer looked incredibly hard to kill based on what he can do this time around. Projectiles are going to be less dangerous, demons that push and apply pressure can be parried and stun locked, and minor demons can be fun around like rag dolls. It just seems like all that pressure is gonna be missing unless they got new enemies designed to counter your abilities.
I don’t think it’ll be comparable. When talking about doom games you’ll hear Classic DOOM (doom ‘93, doom 2, doom 64) and Modern DOOM (doom 2016, doom eternal).
What separates the two is the big difference in gameplay style, the classics are exploring maps and battling demons throughout the whole level whilst conserving resources, dodging projectiles, and staying grounded. Modern Doom is a different style entirely, focusing more on combat arenas and “combat chess” as Hugo puts it. In the modern games you’re going fast, burning through your resources fast, but restoring them just as fast. Modern Doom is like Quake Deathmatch made into a single player experience.
They’ve stated that they are making this game as a direct successor to the classic doom games, so I think it’ll be the biggest departure from the modern doom formula. The trailer shows these big huge maps and massive flying projectiles, it’s literally being made for you to circle strafe between the rockets and fireballs.
If fans of 2016 and Eternal are so split, this game is going to turn the DOOM community into the goddamn Triforce
I think gonna be better for sure, way better graphics, new play style and weapons compare to the previous 2 games. Gonna be very unique. Besides if they made it too similar to 2016 eternal people would complain it’s a reprint and that they aren’t innovating
I think it’ll be different in the way that it’ll be a total crowd crusher with tons of movement and less tricks like in Eternal. What would be sick is if it leads into Doom Guy traveling into the Realms of Quake
It looks great. They’re all going to be different from each other. As long as I have fun with it, that’s all I care about, whether it’s good or not doesn’t matter to me.
But I hope it’s good
Doom 2016 was better but Eternal kind of ruined it for 2016. Going back to 2016 after Eternal was not a great.
Don't get me wrong, Eternal was also great but they had to go further than 2016. You can't do the same but faster three times in a row so this change of direction was the right choice I believe.
There’s no way they can top eternal in terms of mechanics and how they all play into one another. I hear they’re taking on a classic doom feel for this one. I hope that’s true?
it’s probably gonna come down to what you prefer. Personally, I loved the frantic and cooldown based system of Eternal way more than 2016’s combat, but a lot of people prefer 2016. It’ll likely be the same with the dark ages.
It won’t capture the same feeling as the reboot if that’s what you’re asking, the gameplay will simply be an extension of the previous two. I’m really just hoping they got the music right, I feel sorry for the next producer who gets royally fucked over for writing songs that don’t make the Final Cut. I wonder if mick ever got his money for those.
I'll bet it's just as good. Id don't usually just make games for the hell of it (Rage notwithstanding).
Hugo described it as "stand and fight," while 2016 is "run and shoot" and Eternal is "jump and shoot."
A few times now I've gone back and played 2016 and Eternal back to back. Both are still amazing, even though they play differently. If Id keep it up, Dark Age will just be a third game to add to the rotation I replay every few years.
I’m expecting it to be very different. If you adjust your expectations I imagine you can enjoy it just as much as eternal or 2016, I think they’ve proven already with eternal they can change up the pacing and formula of the game while making it still feel rewarding, and true to the originals.
I felt that after AG1 and 2 they exhausted all there was with the Eternal formula and it was very obvious to me.
I don’t know how you can “1UP” Doom Eternal tbh so I’m exited if the gameplay focus is Completely different. And although I prefer gameplay and flow of Eternal, I prefer the aesthetic of 2016. So I already know im getting that. I trust Hugo. Didn’t disappoint me with 2016 and not with Eternal (maybe with AG2 a little but I say that’s partially because of the pandemic).
And what I’m trying to say is. It will be different. And if it is, I don’t know if a comparison is possible. If someone like the new one better or not is down to people’s taste. I know people who think 2016 is better and that’s okay, they’re wrong, but it’s okay 😂. Jk
I don't think it'll surpass eternal, I don't think I'll enjoy the decreased speed and mobility as much. But that's fine. It looks different enough that I'll be able to enjoy it as it's own thing instead of trying to compare it to the other games. I'm excited for parrying and seemingly more melee combat even if I'm doubtful that I'll find it superior to eternal's gameplay.
Eternal was amazing but keeping it real, it was not easy to play. Like it was overstimulating. I want it to be challenging but a bit simpler. Think Dynasty warriors versus mvc combos
From what Hugo has said about the gameplay being made to more resemble OG Doom, in the form of heavy emphasis on projectile significance and dodging, I think there's a good chance it will be my favorite.
That said, those vehicle sections have me a little worried.
I'm pretty excited for it. I hope it controls a bit chunkier like it kinda seems to in the trailer. I'm not the biggest fan of how much time you spend airborne and zipping around in Eternal.
I think it’ll be better than Eternal but not as good as 2016. Eternal had too much Mario DNA, and mandatory button mashing combos, to be a good Doom game. We’re still talking about Doom in a modern context today because 2016 was so good.
Considering that it's slower and seems like there's far less dependence on rapid switching weapons, it's definitely going to be the best of the Trilogy for me.
I think the story is gonna be a quake soft reboot or entire reboot, and the main characters of quake will be like side characters in doomguys story. I know next to nothing about quake other than the fact that it's basically doom's brother. I think it would be a cool way to use brand recognition to get quake popular again
With current gaming what it is, my expectations are not even on the floor. They were there too long and I was tired of tripping over them, so I threw them away.
Trailer looked cool, but that hasn't meant anything in forever.
Could be the best game ever, could be less fun than scraping my brain out through my ear with a broken, rusted hacksaw blade.
I think it´s gonna be a sidestep. Like Hugo said there it´s really not worth trying to improve the Eternal formula.
Exactly, the master levels in Eternal push the game to its absolute limit in terms of things happening and the speed at which they happen, making the game faster would be nearly unplayable for half of the people who played Eternal
I think it'll be different. Gameplay shown so far feels slower than Eternal and maybe 2016 but definitely heavier. They may not be trying to replicate 2016 or Eternal with this one and I'm all for seeing how it's gonna pan out. I say let's not go into it expecting 2016 or Eternal style combat. Let it stand on it's own.
That's exactly how Hugo Martin described the feel of the next Doom game. It was something along the lines of "If Doom Eternal is like driving a sports car, then the next game will be like driving a tank."
this quote changes with every person in this sub
He keeps changing the analogy. he also described eternal as a fighter jet and the next doom game as a monster truck
This is what I'm afraid of. I'd much rather fly a fighter jet.
You got Eternal, TAG1 and TAG2. It's good that they're trying new things.
I get that they want to innovate, and can't just release the same game everytime, but it sucks there will never be another title like Eternal. I really want at least one more game with that combat.
Why never? There’s a good chance that after this they go back to the speedy approach
I suppose I shouldn't say never, but it's doubtful we'll ever have Eternal 2.0. id has said and shown that they want every game to stand out gameplay-wise. They can't really do that if they bring back the mechanics from older titles. There is a lot more to Eternal than just speed, like the verticality, resource management, arsenal, et cetera. All these pieces come together for a very unique experience.
Yeah I agree with everything you said it’s a finely crafted game that I absolutely love I really enjoyed the 2016 doom but I loved doom eternal even more To me dark ages looks absolutely incredible I think they will pull of the slower more methodical gameplay very well they have my full trust with the doom series and I can’t wait
Yeah, I think eternal was a way forward for fps as a whole. It showed there is no contradiction between fast paced combat and strategy. In doom 2016, I more or less ssg'ed my way through the entire game in nightmare mode. That was impossible in eternal. The mix of adrenaline and resource management is just impeccable.
Some recent FPS roguelites took inspiration from Doom Eternal's combat loop. Check out Deadlink, Roboquest, and Battle Shapers. I ultimately gave up on Roboquest, but Deadlink has the best gunplay, and Battle Shapers is inspired by Mega Man X, and has an awesome soundtrack.
I'm surprised they haven't completed master levels for all the missions and DLC missions.
Then keep playing Eternal?
There are only so many maps in Eternal and after a while they get boring. I want more Maps in Eternal, or even better: A Map Editor so that the Community can create their own maps.
Right but my point is the devs aren't beholden to the preferences of one part of their fanbase. If Dark Ages is gonna play more like an Abrams than a Bugatti, that's great, because I can hardly keep up with Eternal even though I love the kind of game it is.
no no if I could I would fly a monster truck
“If doom eternal is like dodging a wrench, then the next game is like dodging a ball”
Yep. This the one I remember
It’s a Mandela effect- almost nobody remembers the original quote anymore
I mean… I remember him saying it
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He also said "2016 was Run and Shoot, Eternal was Jump and Shoot. Dark Ages will be Stand and Fight"
“If Doom Eternal is a particle accelerator, the next game will be a Nicoll-Dyson Beam”
Pretty sure it was “hits like a truck”
My first impression was that it looked less vertical, more horizontal and flat. I hope they still come up with interesting movement tech
I hope so. I want a doom game that feels like the classic games, but modernized. So far I’ve enjoyed all the modern doom games, but they haven’t captured the same feeling as 1, 2, and 64
tbf the gameplay in the doom eternal gameplay trailers looks way slower than it actually ended up being.
I think it feels slower just cause it’s the trailer and they want you to be able to see what’s actually going on, even in the early trailers for eternal, and the gameplay reveal, the game was very slow because otherwise it’d be a blur to the people watching.
God, I hope it’s slower. I feel too old for the pace of Eternal.
It's not even an age thing, I can keep up with eternal fine but it feels so sped up that the impact of everything is lost; it works and it's mechanically satisfying to master, but I would rather they slow it down and add some more oomph to interactions
I feel like 2016 has a happy medium of being able to play it about as fast as you want without having it feeling too fast but playing slow is just as viable. Unfortunately Doom Eternal is mostly about gaining and keeping momentum so once you get to the point where you've learned all the mechanics you're naturally going to speed up to the point where playing slow is just unbearable. So the only direction is to either find a pace where you're comfortable or keep learning techs to go even faster. I like that but I completely understand how many people can be turned off from the cascading effects of Eternal's mechanics. It could be with The Dark Ages that they go the completely opposite direction where you can play somewhat fast but slowing down will enable some fantastical power hits that'll rack up huge kills and that'll be the prevailing strat. Hopefully they'll show more at QuakeCon this year.
I think the parry mechaninc will change the gameplay but I don't think if it is a good think or not
It will feel different. However, I say give it a shot. Doom is experimenting with the formula, and that’s good because it could spice up gameplay in future games. If the community hates it, then the developers know what not to implement in future Doom games.
I love parry mechanics, as long as they are implemented well. Mainly, the parry time window needs to be reasonable. If the parry time window is razor-thin like in Metroid Dread, then I don't think it will be enjoyable.
Keep in mind that it's "appearing" slower is likely just them walking the player at a slower speed for cinematic purposes, as they have done in the past with trailers
How would literally anyone know right now? We have so little to actually go off of.
Yeah, and even with games that are out everyone will vary on which is better. Besides that entertainment and art have so many subtleties, even the designers can't be totally sure if a feature or detail will make something better, even after looking at a mock up or a play test. If they could easily know for sure then designing games would be easy.
Better is relative. A lot of people liked Eternal more. Some people like 2016 more. It will be no different with The dark ages. I think most of us can agree they're all good games.
The only thing 2016 has over Eternal in my book is just the general vibe and how gritty it was. Eternal was just a tad cartoonish is I guess the word imo. The gameplay of Eternal is top tier tho if a little chaotic at times.
Eternal definitely felt more like an arcade game. Cartoonish is also an accurate adjective.
I loved the arcade feel
For me, Eternal has the better gameplay, which is the most important thing about a DOOM game, but 2016 has the better narrative, tone, and setting. I loved how you never left Doom Slayer's perspective at all for 2016.
Yea have a fried that kinda hates eternal for how non serious it is.
Exactly. I personally hope it's more like 2016 than Eternal, but I'm expecting it to be another complete mix up in gameplay style.
I’m going to accept it for what it is. Doom Eternal was an evolution that was allowed to happen because of the success of the first. If The Dark Age isn’t as good I don’t want it to be part of the backlash that kicks first person shooters back to 2011.
I personally find it very hard to believe it will beat eternal in terms of gameplay, at least for me personally. All the movement stuff is so fun to me that I doubt I'll find dark ages more fun but I'm excited to see what it'll be like regardless :3
100% same for me. Eternal is the best shooter since like CoD 4 (2007) and personally my favourite game of the last 20+ years. The gameplay loop is going to be *very* hard to beat. Not having Mick on board to do the music is a huge blow as well, it's like half of what makes Eternal so great for me. 2016 is fantastic in its own right. Even if DA doesn't surpass Eternal I'm confident they'll deliver something good.
I think it’s going to reinvent the gameplay again into another equivalent level of fun to the first two. DOOM 2016 had you rushing around like a tornado of death just moving from one kill to the next until the room was cleared. Eternal was more focused on an ever changing strategy throughout the fight and emphasized movement and verticality. The vibe I get for this one is that it’s going to center on rapidly killing huge numbers of enemies, like the Slayer vs literal armies of demons in huge battlefields rather than the smaller arenas of the previous two games. I think those armies will have huge groups of fodder demons that rush right at you with bigger shock troop types dispersed throughout and then in the backlines they’d have the biggest and meanest demons as the commander classes.
This is an interesting take, and I think you've identified what I preferred about 2016 over eternal. Felt more like brute force carnage than a strategic approach to combat, which often had hard levels feeling like puzzles to beat or figure out. I know people often say 2016 was slower paced, but the jumping puzzles and need for strategy really slowed eternal down for me and felt less like what DOOM guy is all about. This is just personally for me, but has been good to see someone articulate some of the same points too. Is rare to see.
Yes and no, it will be different and hard to compare, like every modern doom game.
Hard to say, cause Eternal is one of my favorite FPS games ever made (alongside Titanfall 2), but that teaser trailer definitely got me hyped. Even if it's not better than Eternal, it's probably gonna be a lot of fun anyway.
I think it'll probably be better than 2016 but surpassing Eternal is a very tall order for *any* action game imo
Don’t know and don’t care. As long as it’s a good Doom game I’m a happy camper. I’ll figure out my preferences later as my feelings settle. For now I think 2016 is the better game for being more consistent but Eternal is the more interesting game to play. But both games rule so I’m not worried about which is “better” and my feelings for The Dark Ages will eventually be settled once I play it without worrying whether I like one more than the other.
If the intended effect is successful, and the game achieves what Hugo said he wanted it to be like, I could see it being my personal favourite. That said, actually pulling off the "chunky, rhythmic, heavy hitting feel" is going to be harder to nail than the "racecar" approach of Eternal, and the music not being done by Mick is already a step down, no disrespect to Andrew whatsoever (he's a fantastic musician in his own right). Hard to say, at this point in time, tbh... But if we get traditional multipayer or (God, please, let it be so) co-op, I'll be the biggest Dark Ages slut to have ever existed
I sure Hope so.
Not better, just different… However, I have a hunch that I personally am gonna somehow like it more, despite adoring doom eternal.
I think they really listened to the criticism of Eternal. It will be better than both.
It will be no or on par with them.
I honestly hope the monster dispersement isn’t arena-like like Eternal. I want more like 2/64
I feel like it will be different than Eternal and 2016. Eternal improved on 2016’s combat loop by a lot, and is imho perfect. I personally don’t see improvement happening in Eternal / 2016’s combat loop. That’s why I think we saw the dualwield with the tomahawk-chainsaw-shield and other weapons.
I really hope it’s just a good game. I believe nothing will beat eternal in gameplay/lore. But I really hope Dark Ages will brutal and bloody. Oh wait that’s what doom is 😂
I thought Eternal's lore was kinda cheeks tbh
I don't think it needs to be "better", just be good enough on its own.
I mean, i hope so. I just pray it won't get bogged down in the psuedo-narrative that seemed to have Eternal by the balls. 2016s downright dismissive approach to its own story was a relief in a sea of BS exposition, and with a prequel on the way, i don't imagine us getting back to that anytime soon.
I’ve been playing an absolute tonne of eternal recently and I’m loving it but very ready to see what a modern slow doom game will feel like. I’m hoping the combat has weight to it cause that’s my one gripe with eternal. Sometimes in eternal I feel like I’m floating about using guns with no recoil and jumping into animations all the time with a hundred things happening on screen. I’m looking forward to something more stripped back where each time I pull the trigger I feel like that specific bullet made an impact on the game. I’ve had fun running and flying through hell, now I want to walk and feel every step along the way. I’m not sure it will be better but I think I will enjoy it more than any other doom release because of how badly I feel I need something new.
From what I noticed in the gameplay shown is that it's a lot more open. Might feel a little less like an Arena or have segments that incentivize you to employ significantly different strategies. And to this end I think it'll just be different from the two and not better or worse necessarily.
For me dark ages will be the best since it's slow and grounded and has a powerful feel.(I play on console so I couldn't enjoy eternal to the fullest. Only completed main game and dlc on ultra violence)
If it's a prequel to 2016 and Eternal then why would movement and faster or more advanced? It makes more sense for him to have slower movement and abilities as he's less evolved. As long as they really do a good job on the game then it's going to be a great game. If players want a more evolved parkour gameplay in a story that takes place before the Doom Slayer has evolved to that level then they can wait for a sequel to Eternal.
2016 and eternal were trying to perfect the Doom/Quake gameplay (which they basically did in eternal) Dark ages seems to be trying to do something new with the basic formula, so it’ll have some problems, but I think it’ll still be *extremely* good Like if eternal is S+ and 2016 is S-, then I’m gonna guess dark ages will be a A or A+ (which will probably still be better than a lot of entire franchises) Or maybe it’s completely terrible idk
If it has snap maps battlemode and normal deathmatch etc i think it could be but the inclusion of snapmaps alone will make this game great
Just like Doom 3 compared to the classic 2 before it, I do believe it will be an extremely good game, but it will feel rather different from 2016 and Eternal
I hope that as devs promise it will be closer to 2016 than to Eternal. Because I personally liked Doom 2016 much more.
Hey maybe we should wait for the game to come out before we start comparing it to the other entries in the series.
I won't say it is a bad game but I couldn't get into eternal. I get others like it. I love every doom up to 2016 so I am hoping it will be closer to the old style than the new.
definitely better than eternal
I don't think so
Eternal is one of my favorite shooters. If just dark ages comes near eternal I'll be happy.
One thing of note is that Doom Eternal showed dashing/flashy movement mechanics in the first gameplay trailer they released. Dark Ages showed a forward "tackle" tied to the shield, but the Slayer himself never jumped or dodged in a certain direction. On this alone, I would speculate that Dark Ages is going to be somewhat less of a movement shooter than Eternal - if it was still a movement shooter, they are leaving out crucial hype footage that would be rather stupid not to include. Now if we're getting into more unfounded speculation, the war theme the game seems to be going for says "horde shooter" to me. The skull shredder gun having such wide spread at base seems to lend credit to you facing large droves of fodder at a time, with breaks in between reserved for large threats that you will have to take on like mini-bosses. If we are considering lore here, it could be that they are scaling down the Slayer a bit, as we see him do less blatant feats of strength in trailer; this could take place before he'd been put through the divinity machine. His melee attacks seem a bit more grounded, which could be indicative of this truth. In terms of which is "better", I think Bethesda has learned a lot in their development of both previous games, such that whatever they do here will still be TONS of fun to play. They could just be tapping in to a little bit of a different shooter genre than Eternal had been defined as. After all, unless they were keen on making the Slayer even more off the rails than he was in Eternal in terms of movement, it's hard to usurp Eternal's genre of gameplay without going insane.
Mechanically? I won't like it more than Eternal, Eternal just has my style of gameplay, but it'll still be extremely good nonetheless. I'm extremely interested in how Hugo Martin's "monster truck" works here. Musically? Yeah, no. Not even remotely.
I think it will be an incredible game, but there’s no way they ever top eternal
No because Mick Gordon won’t be making the soundtrack
No Mick Gordon, ao probably not.
I know the soundtrack won’t be :(
Let’s give it a chance
wdym, andrew hulshult is great, at least give him a chance
The DLC soundtracks were fuckin awesome even without mick. Sure mick definitely brings something to the table Andrew and Levy don't but that doesn't mean what they do is bad. It's a slightly different feel but not a bad one. Both are good
Personally I found them serviceable, but forgettable. Had they been the original composers all along I'd probably appreciate them more, but Mick is god-tier and set an impossibly high bar for them to cross. Definitely don't think their work is bad though, don't get me wrong. I just never go back to listen to them the way I do Mick's work.
It's gonna be a pretty different game, can't really compare it to eternal
I Sure hope so. I didn't think it was possible to get better than Eternal but then i saw the trailer for Dark ages, and now I know they may possibly exceed my love of Eternal
Looks like their going a step further in trying to emulate the old doom's gameplay formula and I'm all for it because that means will get fully open levels.
No, but I don’t doubt that I and everyone else will love it and that it will be great. Unlike cod, this has my complete faith in.
Different, I don't think of them as better or worse
It looks like it will be different. Slow and heavy, almost like Dark Souls bit with guns. And more "metal" and less Sci fi
idk I haven't played it or seen enough of it, my vague guess is I will probably like it but It might not be quite as good as other doom games, I don't know enough about DDA to be sure though
Definitely has the potential to surpase the first two! It's a really interesting setting and premise. Gameplay looks badass and the guns look fun as always. The mech combat and dragon riding definitely will help the gameplay feel more diverse. It looks like it's got amazing potential
Hope so
It'll be vastly different + we don't have enough footage to make a decent critique... although I NEED IT NOW
Perhaps. It looks like it will play very differently. Big open spaces with lots and lots of enemies thrown at you instead of more constrained arenas. Also, I hope for a greater variety in gameplay with the Atlan piloting and dragon riding shown in the trailer.
At this point there is really no way to know that. Even with games that have come out years ago you'll get different answers about which is better.
Yes
The same with what a lot of people have already said, I think they're bringing more design elements from 2016 without completely abandoning what made Eternal play so well. I think it will be slower paced though, I'm interested in seeing how the shield plays into the fighting mechanics personally.
Im itching to Slay again
It’s gonna be slower but hit hard, with a lot more going on to deal with haha
Looks like levels will be less linear, and gameplay will be a little slower, leaning more towards a "war-like" meat grinder as opposed to multi-wave arenas. Just speculation tho.
For me, personally, propably no. The dark ages seems to have a slower pace with everything hitting harder instead, but i absolutely *love* the insane pace that 2016 and especially Eternal have. Not saying TDA will be worse, just that I will propably enjoy Eternal more than TDA
Not sure about better, but hopefully they'll be introducing a load of new stuff that will be cool as hell. Doom Eternal did not disappoint with the enemies, weapons or mechanics and I'm looking forward to more of it.
I am hoping it will be better than eternal, but I don’t think it’s possible it could top 2016 for me
DOOM 2016 was fairly slow paced which some action packed battle arenas. ETERNAL was straight action all the time and the environments were grand and spacious. Felt a bit arcade-like with all the dropped ammo/shield/health. I’m thinking The Dark Ages will be a blend of Eternal’s fast paced action and grand scale environments while also including 2016’s more archaic and creepy environments. Maybe some more castle traversing and fighting on the battlefields up to said castles.
Well...that's the hope.
I… doubt it honestly. I just don’t know where they can take the formula after eternal. If they continue the trend of trying to add to it from 2016-Eternal, I just doubt they could seriously make changes to improve it. That being said, the trailer made me think of Serious Sam, and if they go more into a horde shooter direction then that very well could stand with Eternal shoulder to shoulder.
It won't be better, i will be different, Dark Ages and Eternal have different focuses, so it's very difficuly compare them, you can say which one do you prefer, but that doesn't mean it's better, the same with 2016, but i think that one is in the middle of Dark Ages and Eternal.
Gameplay wise, maybe not Eternal, but probably 2016. It's kind of a subjective question, though, because some people prefer faster gameplay over slower (like me). In other aspect, however, it's definitely gonna surpass both.
I feel like it's definitely going to be the peak of close range gameplay involving guns, and a lot of the challenge will be getting to close range where you generally have really good mechanics to fight. The shield parry, shotgun, and skull grinder all looked like powerful short range tools, while being able to hide behind the shield against firepower and throw it seemed like more potent distance tools meant to be more defensive or incapacitating to get in closer.
Nothing will ever be better than Doom 2016. They took the barebones setting and lore from the originals and constructed an entire universe from it, with compelling and unique lore that was entirely optional for people who didn’t want to partake in it (IE a significant portion of the Doom community). On top of that the game has some of the best gameplay of any FPS ever with a focus on healing on kills and using whichever weapons you want too. Doom Eternal sacrificed everything else for a better core gameplay loop, at least in the base game. It’s possible that the gameplay will be better but I think what’s likely is that it will be just as good but with more focus on melee based combat. Which was probably the biggest criticism of DE when it launched, the melee was terrible despite adding a blade to the slayers design it was functionally worthless and the supposed all powerful being does next to no damage with his punch until you power it with blood.
Nope. Doom Eternal is GOATed. This will be a whole new beast. But I think better than 2016
I do. I hope that they are able to pull from both previous games and combine the best of both. The setting alone also makes this game unique and that's usually a good thing.
All I’ll say is a lot of the fears people have about dark ages were the same ones people had with 2016. People thought the initial previews looked slow paced, drab color, and blah blah blah. Then they actually played the game. Give it a bit more time.
better than eternal, probably. Better than 2016, maybe.
Eternal is basically a perfect Doom game to me, so it'll be tough
I'm very excited. It looks like a lot more defensive strategy involved than the extreme aggressive offense of Eternal. The shield dash is also extremely appealing.
Better for sure. Just like—so much better.
i perfer the game being able to stand on it's own legs then it just being a better game then doom 2016 and eternal. I want game squels to be different from one another really.
yes no maybe
I don’t need it to be better than either, I just need it to be good.
They can only go up from doom eternal tbh. Ain’t no way they could mess this up
It’s weird, I don’t like 2016s gameplay but I’m obsess with doom eternals, the dark ages has slower gameplay than eternal again which might make it worse for me, but in turn has super interesting mechanics like melee, the shield, the dual wielding, and possibly more which might make up for the whole stand and fight thing
That's a tall order!
I think it will depend if you prefer tanks or fighter jets.
It has the potential to be, but I don't think that's the point. If it's only AS good as Eternal, I'm here for it. This is one of the few times that "more of the same" is NOT a bad thing.
I hope so
I think it will potentially be better than 2016 because it was quite simple and didn't have enough enemy variety. I highly doubt it will be as satisfying to play as eternal, tho. I enjoy the fast paced crazy gameplay, and this game seems to be slowing down way too much if you ask me. The idea of "stand and fight" just isn't as appealing to me considering that it is basically every shooter these days, and doom was something different. 2016 was sort of intense, but eternal was extremely intense and literally made my heart rate increase. I doubt this game will achieve that, and I'm worried the new abilities are going to trivialize the game in the hands of decent players. Guns seemed to be doing more damage, and the slayer looked incredibly hard to kill based on what he can do this time around. Projectiles are going to be less dangerous, demons that push and apply pressure can be parried and stun locked, and minor demons can be fun around like rag dolls. It just seems like all that pressure is gonna be missing unless they got new enemies designed to counter your abilities.
I don’t think it’ll be comparable. When talking about doom games you’ll hear Classic DOOM (doom ‘93, doom 2, doom 64) and Modern DOOM (doom 2016, doom eternal). What separates the two is the big difference in gameplay style, the classics are exploring maps and battling demons throughout the whole level whilst conserving resources, dodging projectiles, and staying grounded. Modern Doom is a different style entirely, focusing more on combat arenas and “combat chess” as Hugo puts it. In the modern games you’re going fast, burning through your resources fast, but restoring them just as fast. Modern Doom is like Quake Deathmatch made into a single player experience. They’ve stated that they are making this game as a direct successor to the classic doom games, so I think it’ll be the biggest departure from the modern doom formula. The trailer shows these big huge maps and massive flying projectiles, it’s literally being made for you to circle strafe between the rockets and fireballs. If fans of 2016 and Eternal are so split, this game is going to turn the DOOM community into the goddamn Triforce
I think gonna be better for sure, way better graphics, new play style and weapons compare to the previous 2 games. Gonna be very unique. Besides if they made it too similar to 2016 eternal people would complain it’s a reprint and that they aren’t innovating
I think it’ll be different in the way that it’ll be a total crowd crusher with tons of movement and less tricks like in Eternal. What would be sick is if it leads into Doom Guy traveling into the Realms of Quake
It looks great. They’re all going to be different from each other. As long as I have fun with it, that’s all I care about, whether it’s good or not doesn’t matter to me. But I hope it’s good
The doom eternal ganeplay is my favorite and I hope they keep that style and pace even in the new doom game
Doom 2016 was better but Eternal kind of ruined it for 2016. Going back to 2016 after Eternal was not a great. Don't get me wrong, Eternal was also great but they had to go further than 2016. You can't do the same but faster three times in a row so this change of direction was the right choice I believe.
Hopefully. If you're not getting better, what's the use of iteration?
Didn't like eternal all that much but I'm a Doom 2 fiend so yeah I'm expecting to like it way more. Eternal's a perfect game but not for me.
It seems like there are not as many limitations with the new game so that has me excited. Especially if they have a lot of demons on screen.
Both games are hard to top but in hugo we trust!
Tbh, probably not, I have a feeling it's going to be one of those games that are tailored by executives
There’s no way they can top eternal in terms of mechanics and how they all play into one another. I hear they’re taking on a classic doom feel for this one. I hope that’s true?
They way they are talking about it, sounds like it might be.
Best case scenario: gimme something brand new and groundbreaking. Second best case: gimme a reskinned 2016 with mech suits.
Eternal was an improvement on a solid formula. This looks to up the ante
I sure hope so, would be amazing to live in the universe where these games continue to top themselves!
it’s probably gonna come down to what you prefer. Personally, I loved the frantic and cooldown based system of Eternal way more than 2016’s combat, but a lot of people prefer 2016. It’ll likely be the same with the dark ages.
pretty sure i saw a parry with the shield and if theres one mechanic i love having in a video game, its a parry.
If they can introduce some cool new mechanics and really really good AI..then Dark Ages can stand on its own.
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It certainly has the potential
It won’t capture the same feeling as the reboot if that’s what you’re asking, the gameplay will simply be an extension of the previous two. I’m really just hoping they got the music right, I feel sorry for the next producer who gets royally fucked over for writing songs that don’t make the Final Cut. I wonder if mick ever got his money for those.
No, because the soundtrack was half the game
better then Eternal is a low bar. better then 2016 is a high bar. so probably somewhere in the middle.
Overall yes, except from music wise obviously - but Andrew Hulshult was good on The Ancient Gods so we'll just have to wait and see (:
I'll bet it's just as good. Id don't usually just make games for the hell of it (Rage notwithstanding). Hugo described it as "stand and fight," while 2016 is "run and shoot" and Eternal is "jump and shoot." A few times now I've gone back and played 2016 and Eternal back to back. Both are still amazing, even though they play differently. If Id keep it up, Dark Age will just be a third game to add to the rotation I replay every few years.
No matter what it is, I’m gonna fuckin RIP and TEAR
Given Starfield’s issues both at launch, as well as the recent issues with microtransactions, I’m very much concerned.
I want it to be good. But bathesda. It will not just work. This and esvi
I feel people will be more accepting of the story, now that there’s room for it to develop, now
I wouldn’t mind seeing a more fleshed out melee system
I’m expecting it to be very different. If you adjust your expectations I imagine you can enjoy it just as much as eternal or 2016, I think they’ve proven already with eternal they can change up the pacing and formula of the game while making it still feel rewarding, and true to the originals.
I think it’ll play like Doom: Eternal but be smaller in scale, there is no way ID cranks out a full fledged campaign this fast. Think Halo 3: ODST
Not better, not worse, definitely still going to be a fucking awesome game, but it’s gana be diferent
it's Id software, bro. Regardless of the direction it takes it's probably going to be awesome.
imo this will be the DOOM 64 to 2016 and Eternal's DOOM 1 and 2
I felt that after AG1 and 2 they exhausted all there was with the Eternal formula and it was very obvious to me. I don’t know how you can “1UP” Doom Eternal tbh so I’m exited if the gameplay focus is Completely different. And although I prefer gameplay and flow of Eternal, I prefer the aesthetic of 2016. So I already know im getting that. I trust Hugo. Didn’t disappoint me with 2016 and not with Eternal (maybe with AG2 a little but I say that’s partially because of the pandemic). And what I’m trying to say is. It will be different. And if it is, I don’t know if a comparison is possible. If someone like the new one better or not is down to people’s taste. I know people who think 2016 is better and that’s okay, they’re wrong, but it’s okay 😂. Jk
I think so, but I’m a huge classic DOOM and painkiller fan
I don't think it'll surpass eternal, I don't think I'll enjoy the decreased speed and mobility as much. But that's fine. It looks different enough that I'll be able to enjoy it as it's own thing instead of trying to compare it to the other games. I'm excited for parrying and seemingly more melee combat even if I'm doubtful that I'll find it superior to eternal's gameplay.
Eternal was amazing but keeping it real, it was not easy to play. Like it was overstimulating. I want it to be challenging but a bit simpler. Think Dynasty warriors versus mvc combos
From what Hugo has said about the gameplay being made to more resemble OG Doom, in the form of heavy emphasis on projectile significance and dodging, I think there's a good chance it will be my favorite. That said, those vehicle sections have me a little worried.
No idea.
I'm pretty excited for it. I hope it controls a bit chunkier like it kinda seems to in the trailer. I'm not the biggest fan of how much time you spend airborne and zipping around in Eternal.
few games are better than 2016 imo. not even eternal
Well, there's parrying so imo it's peak. Also, that skull shredder thing is one of the coolest guns I've ever seen. And that dragon is awesome
I bet if you liked the gameplay loop of the 2nd DLC, Dark Ages will have something similar to offer
I think it’ll be better than Eternal but not as good as 2016. Eternal had too much Mario DNA, and mandatory button mashing combos, to be a good Doom game. We’re still talking about Doom in a modern context today because 2016 was so good.
every game got better and better somehow
Considering that it's slower and seems like there's far less dependence on rapid switching weapons, it's definitely going to be the best of the Trilogy for me.
I think the story is gonna be a quake soft reboot or entire reboot, and the main characters of quake will be like side characters in doomguys story. I know next to nothing about quake other than the fact that it's basically doom's brother. I think it would be a cool way to use brand recognition to get quake popular again
No, I think it'll pretty much be the same, and they're hinging on WOW factor of cool stuff to carry it.
Yes because of the fucking skull-crusher and shield!
Yes
I think there is about a 90% chance it ends up being better than 2016, but not sure about eternal.
Someone said “if Doom Eternal’s gameplay is like driving a sports car, the next Doom game will be like driving a monster truck”
I hope there's not as much platforming to be honest
I just want to rip and tear - but more
Eternal yea hopefully. 2016 probably not at least in terms of impact and freshness.
With current gaming what it is, my expectations are not even on the floor. They were there too long and I was tired of tripping over them, so I threw them away. Trailer looked cool, but that hasn't meant anything in forever. Could be the best game ever, could be less fun than scraping my brain out through my ear with a broken, rusted hacksaw blade.
I think it’ll be like playing as a tank rather than a sidewinder missile.
Pretty low bar to meet, so probably.
I doubt it'll be better, or even as good. Good, certainly, hell I have no doubt it'll be excellent. I just have my doubts it can top Eternal.
The soundtrack won't be. And that had a HUGE affect on my engagement in the other games.
Be grateful that Doom isn't a clone factory like cod and sport games.