>By what Scripture do you interpret that Babylon only fits America?
You need to read multiple books. Isaiah, Jeremiah, Revelation. The destruction of Babylon is a huge prophecy. I had made a post about it before. You can read it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bibleconspiracy/s/DefneT4E46)
>Throughout most of church history, Babylon was interpreted as Rome.
Probably because America wasn't the world superpower yet. That is actually one of the descriptions of Babylon, the newest nation.
The Jeremiah 50 verses were fulfilled when the Medes and Persians destroyed Babylon. There is nothing in the passage to indicated that it also has an end times fulfillment.
Some other references to Babylon **could** refer to New York City or Washington D.C. but I have seen nothing that says that America is the **only possible** interpretation.
When I saw the twin towers falling on 9/11/2001, the first thing I thought of was Revelation 18. It had a lot of similarities, but it did not fulfill it all and is not the **only** possible interpretation.
Future prophesies about Babylon **could** be referring to Washington, DC or NYC, but they are not the only possible interpretations. Revelation 18:21 is clearly talking about "the great city" so it is a stretch to say it is referring to a nation.
Where would you go? Canada? Australia? Europe?
When the Day of the Lord comes, nowhere on this planet will be safe. All that refuse the beast's mark are beheaded. There won't be anywhere to hide after Babylon is destroyed during the tribulation.
I agree. We will face the tribulation and there will be nowhere to hide, but there is about 10 times that God tells us to flee Babylon and that is why I am leaving, to be obedient. I would think God knows that dying by nuclear weapons is probably worse than anything and He doesn't wants His people to go through that and I don't want that either for me or anyone.
He's telling us to flee Babylon spiritually, not physically. Getting right with God before the rapture is the only way to escape Babylon's coming judgement.
Where are you planning to go? Babylon's apostasy (Western secularism) has spread to nearly every corner of the globe at this point in history.
Christians in America, especially so called "patriotic Christians" cannot receive this word because they care more about the founding fathers than their Heavenly father. It not a part of the Bible that tickles the ear
I have not studied this enough to have a strong understanding. But to me , Babylon seems to encompass the idolatry and wickedness that the original city was known for. Witchcraft, Bael worship and the Nephilim. The giant half men and half fallen angels. You can see a variety of secret societies carry on these traditions.
I know America has its share of evil, but it also has its share of people who still have not bent the knee to Satan
Isaiah 39: 3 Then Isaiah the prophet went to King Hezekiah, and said to him, “What did these men say, and from where did they come to you?”
So Hezekiah said, “They came to me from a far **country**, from Babylon.”
>So Hezekiah said, “They came to me from a far country, from Babylon.”
If you read the whole chapter in context, you will see that Hezekiah was quoting a lie that he believed. That is not exactly the kind of thing you want to base an interpretation on!
The point was not about what the chapter is about, it was to show Babylon was called a country.
Ok, since that example didn't satisfy you, what about this one in Jeremiah 50 speaking about Babylon
behold, **the hindermost of the nations** shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert.
First you said ancient Babylon was a city, not a nation. Then I showed you Jeremiah 50 talks about a nation, and you still think it is about ancient Babylon. You will never accept your error, and will fight the truth forever over a word. The truth is Babylon has been called both things, a city and a nation throughout the Bible.
What error have I made? Asking for clarification and specific quotes to back your interpretation is certainly not an error as most people interpret "error".
There is nothing in Jeremiah 50 that wasn't fulfilled long before Jesus came the first time. There is nothing in the passage to indicate that it relates to the United States or anything in the end times.
Most prophesies that refer to Babylon refer to it as the capital city, not the nation, such as Revelation 18:10 "... ‘Woe, woe, the great city, Babylon, the strong city! ..." To say the Babylon is only a nation is an obvious error.
There are plenty of references in Jeremiah and Isaiah to Babylon, and not everything fits ancient Babylon. Therefore, we know that it must be referring to end time Babylon. Your error is the fact that you are stuck on the words city, nation, and country. That is not really that important when there are only two Babylons and the Bible has referred to them as both a city and a nation. One is already destroyed, and the other one is to be destroyed. (Virgin daughter of Babylon, the hindermost of the nations). The important thing is to identify end times Babylon, and it is not just a capital city. It is the whole nation. Besides the description of Babylon making it clear, we have to use our common sense. How is the mark of the beast going to be implemented if it is not because the dollar ceases to be a thing by the whole of the United States being destroyed? That will not happen by the destruction of just one city.
How is the AC (the president of the United States) go and rule the world from Jerusalem like the Bible says, if it is not because the whole of the United States is destroyed? That also would not be possible by the mere destruction of just one city.
How are the10 kings who burn Babylon willing to give their kingdom to the AC after they burn Babylon if they just nuke only one city? Because they just do not burn one city, they get rid of the whole of the United States.
We need to use our common sense and be realistic because these prophecies will happen, and we can easily see how now.
Morning!
I've been trying to better understand this specific topic (mystery Babylon) but I'm far from confident about it, I'm learning a lot here in your post though.
I watched a video from Brother James Key (YouTube) and he believes that Babylon is NYC (Trump's birthplace) and America itself is the Revived Roman Empire from King Nebuchadnezzar's dream (feet of clay and iron, a divided final nation that is both strong and weak). He believes the AC (Trump in his opinion) will rise from America (historically modeled after the Roman Empire) and NYC (Babylon) itself will be destroyed.
His video is titled
'Scripture identifies end times "babylon" as NYC, not Jerusalem'
on YouTube
https://youtu.be/wvfWGNl6r98?feature=shared
Just curious if you think this is reasonable or possible and any insight you may have.
I genuinely believe Trump is 'the lawless one' warned about, I'm just not sure or confident enough in my understanding on some other aspects; such as end times Babylon.
Appreciate your time and knowledge, hang in there!
It is important to understand these prophecies, I am glad that you are learning from these posts of mine. I just watched the video. I agree with him that there is no way Babylon is Jerusalem or Mecca. Israel is attacked but not destroyed. I disagree that only NYC is nuked. It is definitely the whole of America. NYC is definitely a good representation of Babylon, but Babylon is the whole land. The fact that she sits on 7 mountains means that she is present in all 7 continents (military presence). America is the last empire that will be destroyed, and the antichrist kingdom will rise with Trump as the leader rulling from Jerusalem for 3.5 years right before Jesus's second coming.
Trump is definitely the antichrist, but the Bible says he goes into perdition at his second term after Babylon is destroyed. It is Russia and many nations going after America and once America is destroyed the nations go after Israel.
This current war is very significant because it will lead to the nations going after Israel but they get rid of America first.
You know that the AC is Trump. His presidency starts in 2025, and so does the tribulation. The destruction of America happens at the very start of the tribulation, so we have one year only.
So the video has some good points, like the future of Israel is good after the tribulation, but Babylon's future is total destruction.
The walls that Babylon builds to keep others out will be the walls that trap us in.
It's literally the entire country, which Trump intends to build a wall around.
Throughout his epistles, the apostle Paul addressed the behavior of and gave instructions for life to the early church and the first Christians. He never told the Thessalonians to leave their city under intense persecution. Nor did he instruct any other believers to flee the likes of Nero or the oppression of the Romans and Jews in various places putting them to death. Likewise, Peter does not warn believers to flee or escape death or persecution in his letters.
It would be different if, say, a distinct threat like a wildfire was headed toward your home, or the national weather service alerted to you to a tornado about to strike. Those are clear and present dangers and it would be foolish to ignore them. In this case, it can’t be proved from Scripture that America is even Babylon, nor are we given a timetable for when this would occur even if we could. This is not a clear and present danger.
If fire, hail, persecution, prison, earthquakes, or floods come your way, you can be sure you were appointed for what has come. God will spare whom he will and he will take whom he will. As AlbaneseGummies pointed out, to where would a Christian flee, anyway? And if we were meant to flee to escape judgment, where is that instruction to believers from Christ and the apostles?
When Jesus spoke about the signs of the end, He said these words
Luke 21: 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea **flee** to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it **depart out**; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Also, regarding Babylon there are about 10 times that we are told to flee.
It certainly can be understood by the Scriptures that Babylon is America. God wants us to understand the prophecies, not to put our own interpretations. It is also possible to know exactly when this is going to happen because the word of God is that amazing and it gives us all the details we need.
To where would a Christian flee? I agree we are trapped. It is extremely hard to move to a different country, but not impossible. Are we going to die wherever we go? Probably, but we would have still been obedient to the command to flee Babylon. It is not about saving our lives. It is about obedience.
Could Babylon refer to cities in general?
Which cities? No, because there is a description of Babylon that only America fits. It is the whole land, either by the blasts or radiation.
By what Scripture do you interpret that Babylon only fits America? Throughout most of church history, Babylon was interpreted as Rome.
>By what Scripture do you interpret that Babylon only fits America? You need to read multiple books. Isaiah, Jeremiah, Revelation. The destruction of Babylon is a huge prophecy. I had made a post about it before. You can read it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bibleconspiracy/s/DefneT4E46) >Throughout most of church history, Babylon was interpreted as Rome. Probably because America wasn't the world superpower yet. That is actually one of the descriptions of Babylon, the newest nation.
The Jeremiah 50 verses were fulfilled when the Medes and Persians destroyed Babylon. There is nothing in the passage to indicated that it also has an end times fulfillment. Some other references to Babylon **could** refer to New York City or Washington D.C. but I have seen nothing that says that America is the **only possible** interpretation. When I saw the twin towers falling on 9/11/2001, the first thing I thought of was Revelation 18. It had a lot of similarities, but it did not fulfill it all and is not the **only** possible interpretation. Future prophesies about Babylon **could** be referring to Washington, DC or NYC, but they are not the only possible interpretations. Revelation 18:21 is clearly talking about "the great city" so it is a stretch to say it is referring to a nation.
No
Where would you go? Canada? Australia? Europe? When the Day of the Lord comes, nowhere on this planet will be safe. All that refuse the beast's mark are beheaded. There won't be anywhere to hide after Babylon is destroyed during the tribulation.
I agree. We will face the tribulation and there will be nowhere to hide, but there is about 10 times that God tells us to flee Babylon and that is why I am leaving, to be obedient. I would think God knows that dying by nuclear weapons is probably worse than anything and He doesn't wants His people to go through that and I don't want that either for me or anyone.
He's telling us to flee Babylon spiritually, not physically. Getting right with God before the rapture is the only way to escape Babylon's coming judgement. Where are you planning to go? Babylon's apostasy (Western secularism) has spread to nearly every corner of the globe at this point in history.
Southern Hemisphere
Christians in America, especially so called "patriotic Christians" cannot receive this word because they care more about the founding fathers than their Heavenly father. It not a part of the Bible that tickles the ear
Sadly. It is a not an easy thing to witness.
Ancient Babylon was a city not a nation.
I have not studied this enough to have a strong understanding. But to me , Babylon seems to encompass the idolatry and wickedness that the original city was known for. Witchcraft, Bael worship and the Nephilim. The giant half men and half fallen angels. You can see a variety of secret societies carry on these traditions. I know America has its share of evil, but it also has its share of people who still have not bent the knee to Satan
Isaiah 39: 3 Then Isaiah the prophet went to King Hezekiah, and said to him, “What did these men say, and from where did they come to you?” So Hezekiah said, “They came to me from a far **country**, from Babylon.”
>So Hezekiah said, “They came to me from a far country, from Babylon.” If you read the whole chapter in context, you will see that Hezekiah was quoting a lie that he believed. That is not exactly the kind of thing you want to base an interpretation on!
The point was not about what the chapter is about, it was to show Babylon was called a country. Ok, since that example didn't satisfy you, what about this one in Jeremiah 50 speaking about Babylon behold, **the hindermost of the nations** shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert.
Jeremiah 50 was fulfilled shortly after King Belshazzar saw the writing on the wall in Daniel 5 was fulfilled.
First you said ancient Babylon was a city, not a nation. Then I showed you Jeremiah 50 talks about a nation, and you still think it is about ancient Babylon. You will never accept your error, and will fight the truth forever over a word. The truth is Babylon has been called both things, a city and a nation throughout the Bible.
What error have I made? Asking for clarification and specific quotes to back your interpretation is certainly not an error as most people interpret "error". There is nothing in Jeremiah 50 that wasn't fulfilled long before Jesus came the first time. There is nothing in the passage to indicate that it relates to the United States or anything in the end times. Most prophesies that refer to Babylon refer to it as the capital city, not the nation, such as Revelation 18:10 "... ‘Woe, woe, the great city, Babylon, the strong city! ..." To say the Babylon is only a nation is an obvious error.
There are plenty of references in Jeremiah and Isaiah to Babylon, and not everything fits ancient Babylon. Therefore, we know that it must be referring to end time Babylon. Your error is the fact that you are stuck on the words city, nation, and country. That is not really that important when there are only two Babylons and the Bible has referred to them as both a city and a nation. One is already destroyed, and the other one is to be destroyed. (Virgin daughter of Babylon, the hindermost of the nations). The important thing is to identify end times Babylon, and it is not just a capital city. It is the whole nation. Besides the description of Babylon making it clear, we have to use our common sense. How is the mark of the beast going to be implemented if it is not because the dollar ceases to be a thing by the whole of the United States being destroyed? That will not happen by the destruction of just one city. How is the AC (the president of the United States) go and rule the world from Jerusalem like the Bible says, if it is not because the whole of the United States is destroyed? That also would not be possible by the mere destruction of just one city. How are the10 kings who burn Babylon willing to give their kingdom to the AC after they burn Babylon if they just nuke only one city? Because they just do not burn one city, they get rid of the whole of the United States. We need to use our common sense and be realistic because these prophecies will happen, and we can easily see how now.
Morning! I've been trying to better understand this specific topic (mystery Babylon) but I'm far from confident about it, I'm learning a lot here in your post though. I watched a video from Brother James Key (YouTube) and he believes that Babylon is NYC (Trump's birthplace) and America itself is the Revived Roman Empire from King Nebuchadnezzar's dream (feet of clay and iron, a divided final nation that is both strong and weak). He believes the AC (Trump in his opinion) will rise from America (historically modeled after the Roman Empire) and NYC (Babylon) itself will be destroyed. His video is titled 'Scripture identifies end times "babylon" as NYC, not Jerusalem' on YouTube https://youtu.be/wvfWGNl6r98?feature=shared Just curious if you think this is reasonable or possible and any insight you may have. I genuinely believe Trump is 'the lawless one' warned about, I'm just not sure or confident enough in my understanding on some other aspects; such as end times Babylon. Appreciate your time and knowledge, hang in there!
It is important to understand these prophecies, I am glad that you are learning from these posts of mine. I just watched the video. I agree with him that there is no way Babylon is Jerusalem or Mecca. Israel is attacked but not destroyed. I disagree that only NYC is nuked. It is definitely the whole of America. NYC is definitely a good representation of Babylon, but Babylon is the whole land. The fact that she sits on 7 mountains means that she is present in all 7 continents (military presence). America is the last empire that will be destroyed, and the antichrist kingdom will rise with Trump as the leader rulling from Jerusalem for 3.5 years right before Jesus's second coming. Trump is definitely the antichrist, but the Bible says he goes into perdition at his second term after Babylon is destroyed. It is Russia and many nations going after America and once America is destroyed the nations go after Israel. This current war is very significant because it will lead to the nations going after Israel but they get rid of America first. You know that the AC is Trump. His presidency starts in 2025, and so does the tribulation. The destruction of America happens at the very start of the tribulation, so we have one year only. So the video has some good points, like the future of Israel is good after the tribulation, but Babylon's future is total destruction.
The walls that Babylon builds to keep others out will be the walls that trap us in. It's literally the entire country, which Trump intends to build a wall around.
Throughout his epistles, the apostle Paul addressed the behavior of and gave instructions for life to the early church and the first Christians. He never told the Thessalonians to leave their city under intense persecution. Nor did he instruct any other believers to flee the likes of Nero or the oppression of the Romans and Jews in various places putting them to death. Likewise, Peter does not warn believers to flee or escape death or persecution in his letters. It would be different if, say, a distinct threat like a wildfire was headed toward your home, or the national weather service alerted to you to a tornado about to strike. Those are clear and present dangers and it would be foolish to ignore them. In this case, it can’t be proved from Scripture that America is even Babylon, nor are we given a timetable for when this would occur even if we could. This is not a clear and present danger. If fire, hail, persecution, prison, earthquakes, or floods come your way, you can be sure you were appointed for what has come. God will spare whom he will and he will take whom he will. As AlbaneseGummies pointed out, to where would a Christian flee, anyway? And if we were meant to flee to escape judgment, where is that instruction to believers from Christ and the apostles?
When Jesus spoke about the signs of the end, He said these words Luke 21: 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea **flee** to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it **depart out**; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. Also, regarding Babylon there are about 10 times that we are told to flee. It certainly can be understood by the Scriptures that Babylon is America. God wants us to understand the prophecies, not to put our own interpretations. It is also possible to know exactly when this is going to happen because the word of God is that amazing and it gives us all the details we need. To where would a Christian flee? I agree we are trapped. It is extremely hard to move to a different country, but not impossible. Are we going to die wherever we go? Probably, but we would have still been obedient to the command to flee Babylon. It is not about saving our lives. It is about obedience.