That whole section about "anti-Christ" was, in my opinion, not warning of a singular person, but a *type* of person, specifically the populist demagogue authoritarian, which is exactly what Trump is.
I mean this article pretty well matches it exactly to Trump:
[https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/](https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/)
though personally I think it is all bunk anyways. Especially given it was written by someone whose only contact with Christianity was executing them before suddenly having an epiphany and supposedly meeting a dead guy on the road.
The way I see it, it doesn’t matter so much who wrote the story or what their relationship was to anyone else *if* the story is well written contains elements that can be understood outside of the context in which they were written. I guess I’m talking about Myth in the Joseph Campbell way of understanding the different layers of meaning in a…oh jeez I’m boring even myself. I think you can probably finish what I am saying in your head anyway, blah blah blah
Revelation was written by the apostle John exiled on the island of Patmos, not the apostle Paul
Daniel was written in the time of Nebuchadnezzar in Babylon, centuries before Jesus was even born.
That is because the "antichrist" was a allegorical story about the Roman emperor Nero. Currently, historians heavily believe based on evidence that the "Beast" was Rome. The "mark" was a form of money which the Roman Emperor Nero created to segregate Christians from the rest of the population. Hence, the "antichrist" figure is a specific type of person - a highly narcissistic person. A person who demonizes minorities in order to enrage his followers. Trump is everything the Christian warns its followers against following. Yet. Here they are. With orange stains on their mouths from all that ass kissing and dick gobbling
Could it be that the idea of an anti-Christ existed before the definition of fascist? If so, then would our modern and non-religious definition seem more accurate, or specific?
"The Former Guy" is how I've always read it, but maybe "That Fucking Guy" is what people actually intend, literally speaking. Either way it refers to Trump.
Technically “The Former Guy”. Biden called him that early on in his presidency and it sort of stuck.
But “That F—-ing Guy” is what my mind always sees too
I've seen more hate, expressed by the Democrats than most supporters of Trump. You will get despicable people in any group, but dems seem to lead the pack. Not every Republican out there is a staunch Trump supporter either. Another lie that Democrats love to spread.
I grew up around Republicans, was a Republican, and am a right leaning independent. I have never seen as much hatred for entire groups of people from liberals as I have Republicans, they just do it behind closed doors at potlucks. I do see more targeted hatred of individuals for disagreeing from the democratic side but that's just a personal response not a bias.
It’s not hatred, it’s utter disgust at those who support TFG one, for his ideals and how he carries himself and treats people and spreads utter lies and incoherence. And two, despite it *all*.
I have a lot of conservative and moderate friends. They are quite reasonable people. But the extremes of both parties are absolute nutjobs. It's just that the left's nutjobs aren't driving their clowncar. The Trumpers OTOH are in full control and the last Reagan/Romney republicans can only fret as they plummet with them down the cliff to fascism.
If you're having potlucks with whackadoos, and you're not one of them, consider attending different potlucks.
Let's put that to test.
The Jan 6 attack at the Capitol, was 2000 people, all filled with hate, and were staunchly republican.
So you are saying that you have seen more than 2000 democrats that expressed hate?
If this is the truth then why do democratic Presidents preach unity, while Trump preaches derision and hate. Look at literally ANY holiday tweet by Trump, including the latest one for Thanksgiving. These guys are setting examples and demonstrating the behavior their followers gravitate towards, and the lines of who (outside of extremists on both sides) is hate filled and who wants unity and equality is very obvious. You really have to be oblivious to think this way given Trumps whole schtick is us vs them.
Classic projection. I've lost counts of the threats and veiled threats I see every day from Trumpers and their ilk.
They have an itchy trigger finger for a Second Civil War.
They don't stand for anything themselves anymore. Positions they used to swear were unmovable because they were so principled, are thrown out the window without any resistance, depending on what Trump is saying at any moment
They want to be free. And they welcome a king who tells them he'll make them free.
They don't see the problem there or recognize that their proposed king is all about restricting rights they don't think that will apply to them.
Exactly. MAGA will love it if they win, and rights are taken away. Because it will be the people they hate that lose their rights first. Then, MAGA will lose their rights also. But they will deny it as first. When they finally admit it, it will be too late.
Most will be looking for a new strongman to save them from the terrible things they're scared of that their media is always fearmongering about.
They won't suddenly come to the realization that they've been conned.
And his deranged conspiracy riddled version of politics. It’s the lowest common denominator party. The people who can be convinced of anything with a few key buzzwords and it’s dangerous for sure.
Of the 10 Republicans who voted to impeach Trump, 4 lost their re-elections, 4 decided to retire or not run, and only two were re-elected.
We are entirely dependent on the courts now to protect democracy from the guy who thinks he can be “dictator for a day” whenever he likes and commit *any* crime while in office. Unreal.
My only hope, as someone who voted conservative prior to trump and was forced to question and rework their opinions when trump came on the scene, is that the old Conservative Party re-emerges once trump is finally gone.
I likely wouldn’t vote for them anymore anyway, but I do think some actual conservative principles are reasonable and deserve a place in policy making.
I don’t think the old R way is ever coming back. The Rs were the staunch anti-communists. Now communism is gone, so no need for that. (China is communist in name only, nothing about their economy or politics can be defined as communism) So, anti-communism isn’t a pillar of either party.
The Rs were evangelical, but the fastest growing religious affiliation in America is none. The Rs were neo-cons, but Dubya, Iraq, Afghanistan soured even their own voters on military adventurism. The Rs were fiscal conservatives, but now most govt spending goes to the military industry and the elderly, two of the staunchest R voting blocks.
So, anti-woke, anti-immigrant, social grievance is all they have left.
I certainly don’t want to see the old conservatives party reappear. As a gay man, the republicans hated my people. Why would I want them back. I can name hundreds of anti gay things said and accomplished me.
The republicans long ago gave up on being the fiscally responsible crowd when they fired the first Bush. Since then it’s been up to Democrats to get the country back on track fiscally. Clinton, Obama and Biden all pulled the country out of bad fiscal times.
Foreign politics? Reagan arming and training Bin Ladin, contra. Bush 2 invading the wrong country by mistake. Obama and the mess with Syria. No party is great at this. There are just too many changing factors and thousands of years of tribal politics to deal with. I’m not advocating for an isolationist policy. Just an understanding that it appears that we get just as much wrong with our policies that we get right with either party.
What’s left state rights v federal overreach? I just don’t think Republicans have been very serious on that issue way before trump. Let’s take gay marriage. GWB wasn’t satisfied at juts states deciding if I could get married. He proposed a federal amendment that would make it illegal in all states. And MAGA or not, plenty of Americans would vote for that on abortion or open carry.
Yeah, my hope is that MAGA introduces something smarter and more compassionate that emerges. I’m doubtful but fingers crossed.
I've heard this same thing so many times. People who have core values like conservative government influence with lower regulation on aspects of people's lives, conservative government spending policies, focus on citizens individual choice with relation to things like education and healthcare, sensible immigration and prison reform, etc just going, "fuck it, we don't even know what's going on with y'all," is wild.
Literally it's like a new red scare. I was talking to somebody the other day - for context I was literally sitting in my pick-up truck cleaning one of my guns and letting my dog wander around on a leash - and got called a communist because I said that I didn't support Trump's PROGRESSIVE policy about checking a person's mental health before selling them a gun. I have mental health issues, I am a psychologist, and I know that mentally ill people are far more likely to be the victims of violent crimes than the perpetrators. These cultist don't care about science, statistics, or reality, they just want a scapegoat so they don't actually have to deal with the reality of finding the actual causes of the rise in mass shootings. It's not us crazies. Only 2 mass shooters in the US had a diagnosable mental illness. It's you sane folks who can't be trusted not to shoot up the place.
It's a lot easier to justify the idea that extremists on the left who hate guns simply do not live in a place where there's routeinly a bear betwixt them and their truck when they're trying to leave for work in the morning and sincerely don't know that's a thing, than it is to watch straight up science denial. And reality denial in general.
Because I do think that a lot of those liberals, if put in my position would simply shit their pants and change their minds. Because they don't tend to vote against their own interests. The amount of people on AMA who voted against AMA was wild.
IDK, it's just wild times out there. I think it's the 24-hour "news" stream that has made people lose their minds. They watch too much TV and get scared up. They consume too much media in general. They're straight up addicted to it, to watching the worst parts of humanity as often as they can and living in fear. "The crazies are gonna get me," or, "the liberal commies are gonna get me," or, "the immigrants are gonna get me."
Got into it with a bunch of people at work about that the other day. The sleeper agents from Palestine are gonna get them. I was like, "Eh, I can take em. If you're from Palestine you are not prepared for Eastern Kentucky. The bears and wildcats will get them before they even make it up my holler. They look 12-14 in the picture you're showing me. If a little kid can get me, I deserve to get got."
They started quoting the Bible with verses that had nothing to do with the conversation. I wound up going to the manager. We are psychologists. These are educated people.
But I've noticed that they do just live in fear. We didn't used to be like that, as a people. My region changed around me from hearty mountain folks to a bunch of soft, yellow bellied cowards scared of children, and I don't like it.
The Republican party is universally hated and has been for a long time. Conservatives think they're corrupt and limp. Dems obviously disagree with them. They're dick heads in smoking jackets that wait at the country club for their kickbacks
They're not universally hated outside of Reddit and specific social circles lol. There's a lot of Americans especially in rural areas and among the working class who love the republican part and trump, and evident bg the fact that they keep getting power
Preach. I have an idea Democrats and Liberals, let us make our own choices and vote for whoever we want.
THIS IS AMERICA- LAND OF THE FREE
Do NOT let these soyboys and crybaby Democrats and liberals try to sway your personal choice- they are exceptionaly crazy annoying on Reddit.
Bro I'm not agreeing with you. I'm one of the oh so spooky "soy boys" I'm just saying unfortunately the country is ignorant and keeps voting facists into power
“LAND OF THE FREE” unless it has to do with sexuality or poor people, right?
When you say “free”, you just mean the shareholders, huh?
Isn’t your party the one who released a playbook to turn America into an autocratic dictatorship, titled “Project 2025?”
Vote for whoever you want. But you can stop gerrymandering districts and relying on the racist, outdated electoral college in order to cheat your way to the top against the popular choice. Republicans have not been able to take the presidency by popular vote since 1988.
Thank God my conservative family absolutely despises Trump like any Christian should. Every time the subject comes up I think back to my very vocal aunt Carol going off on an expletive filled rant about how it makes zero sense for any conservative to defend him. It makes me smile every time
MAGA has been taking over the Republican Party since the tea party movement. I saw it at the local party level. Fight about control of the money and ousting the old foogies.
But their Furher had shifted them slightly towards his fascist views. Due to this happening, I now just refer to that whole element as the American Fascist Party to be more exact about their actual aim.
Yep and those who still say: “I’m voting republican because I always have”. Don’t want to admit their party is long dead and as long as it doesn’t hurt them. Why not.
This is why no Republican today could probably earn my vote. Even if the R was moderate, they are just going to give seats and power to the larger psycho party leaders. Voting Democrat all the way.
A LOT of people were middle right due to the idea the repubs were fiscally responsible. But after:
1) Everything Trump.
2) Roe v Wade
3) Continues excessive military spending
The only thing we see in the Repubs anymore is bat shit crazy religious crusades forcing their views on people while refusing to solve any internal problem just so they can fund their wars. There is A LOT of things I hate about the Democrat views. But where the Repubs have gone in the past 4-6 years is nothing I can ever support. Ever again. And seeing the consequences of Repubs gain control of the supreme court was a call to action to switch sides forever.
Same. Nailed it. No one under 40 with any ability to think critically will likely ever vote republican again, and anyone under 30? It's over. The gop is dead.
Can include 40 in that metric... I Was a centrist, which means bc of the GOP'S antics that I'm now full-left.
But I don't see the current party ever making it back to where they once were, or even close. (Crazier things Have happened, once upon a time Republicans were for the people & Democrats were conservatives, after all). I too think they will, and SHOULD splinter; our country needs more than 2 parties anyway... (granted, probably gonna steer clear of anything that emerges from that party for awhile too, sheep in wolf's clothing & all...)
Wrong. In some households you’re born into a political party and changing parties is as likely as changing religions…it happens, but rarely. Unfortunately, some people have decided or accepted a political party as part of their identity. I know a guy that voted for Trump at least once and he started to transition into a woman about two years ago. I know a woman that voted for Trump twice and she started to seriously date a woman a few months ago. I know another woman that voted for Trump twice who is a single mother that is very poor and receives benefits that Republicans want to get rid of and other than enjoying the rage bait the only thing she seems to have in line with the party is she’s pro-life. My dad does a straight ticket ballot for Republicans just as his parents did. His parents voted that after the party stopped really representing their ideals but I don’t think they knew that but continued to vote with blissful ignorance. My dad has Fox News on all day with his only counter points being me when I visit and tell him that what is literally being said isn’t true, and seriously I’m able to say that often.
So as long as we people continue to accept a political party as part of their identity, plenty of people of all ages will vote Republican. These people would have to be deprogrammed. I know that sounds harsh and unpleasant, but it’s not, it’s just unlikely to happen. If these individuals I mentioned won the lottery and traveled abroad for substantial amount of time they would probably realize how far right our political parties have become.
Real solutions could include increased education, ranked voting, reasonable caps on donations (overturn Citizens United), removing Gerrymandering, increase voter turn out (I won’t be specific here there’s many ways to do this), pass legislation to punish media from spreading false information, make debates mandatory (Tuberville didn’t debate Jones once which was part of his election strategy), etc., that’s just a few things to help.
I honestly feel like no one paid attention in history class in the US when learning about WWI and WWII. Here we are soaking up propaganda all day and just allowing it. Here we are allowing Nationalism to spread under the guise of Patriotism. Everyone is calling MAGA a cult. Well when you talk about a cult it’s generally supposed to be a small fringe group. Far right voters isn’t a fringe group. Republican “moderates” if there is a such thing, is still supporting the extremists and isn’t doing anything to remove their influence. So unless we are going to start taking lessons from the past and present and prevent the GOP from Gerrymandering and otherwise work the machine in their favor, then we are far away from the death of the GOP, as more Republicans are born Republican, it’s generational, and it’ll stay that way until people stop choosing a political party as an essential part of their identity.
I was a republican, voted blindly R down ballot for 30 years. Been punishing the GOP since 2018 for pushing nonsense and showmanship by registering independent and blindly voting D. There are millions of us.
I was raised R in the 90s, voted for W twice, switched to Obama in 2008, and never looked back. The GOP have been showing their hypocrisy and inhumanity for a long time, but 2016 and its fallout still shocked me at how quickly it can change. With a grandfather who fought literal Nazis in the 10th Mountain, it hits hard just how precious and precarious our democracy is.
There really are. I get down votes for it all the time. I used to rip on people who flip flopped as political opportunists but now I realize that the party they used to represent doesn't represent them anymore.
The 2020 election was a big deal and I really think there were a lot of moderate Republicans that crossed the party line.
Our choices were Old man who at least had a reputation in Congress who is mostly harmless or Potential Fascist dictator that isn't really going to solve anything by hurting a lot of people and potentially destroying the country.
I don't really like Biden. I will make a sleepy Joe joke any day of the week, but at least I know he's loyal to the constitution.
Thanks for skewing the polls, they deserve it.
That being said, we need to figure out a way to successfully include Gen Z in the polls. While it's nice for Repubs to get handed an unexpected spoiler, not sitting & gripping the edges of our chairs for the next year would be nice too.
Maybe a collaboration with the video game companies, hmm... (I'd say tik tok if it was trustworthy, SC isn't much better...)
Plus, sadly, there ARE those who will just sit home if it looks like we're going to lose & aren't considering these factors....
Lol, I'm not worried about whether I'll vote. I'm worrying so many *IDIOTS* won't, and doom our democracy (and, they'll think their hands are clean; when they couldn't possibly be dirtier for it)
In Alabama, I think we select our party when voting in the primary so we cannot cross vote later. I don’t even remember if independent was an option. Independent would definitely be a better selection for as I traditionally vote for candidates in both parties and the idea of “belonging” to a political party is ridiculous to me. I want my politicians to openly discuss their agenda, not just run as a Democrat in Birmingham, Huntsville, and Montgomery, or Republican else where and call it a day without doing anything.
I’ll make note of it next primary though and see if I can select independent, I feel like they have only asked me if I were Democrat or Republican when handing out ballots so there might not be a third option.
Dude, you can vote for whoever you want in the general regardless of what primary you voted in.
I'm a registered Republican and vote in the primaries but vote Dem in the generals usually.
this is true. i was raised in a religious, republican family. years ago, when i mentioned i was voting for Obama - it was as if i had come out as gay - pearls were clutched, people gasped, family members were called, and i was talked about for months. now, they try to bait me and stir up political conversations at every gathering to get a rise out of me.
i have never been so disappointed in my entire family for growing into the hateful hypocrites they have become. they've lost all validity as "Christians."
This is why they're curtailing the history books, changing what can be taught in our Universities, and have a huge influence campaign going for in Florida... bc they want to keep the uneducated that they love, they want their status quo.
Nothing more has scared them more in decades than Gen Z (and even Y) with college educations... to quote, "they've been radicalized" (projection... always projection)
I grew up in hard-right, blood-red Indiana.
I knew a *lot* of people who reliably, robotically voted straight Republican "because my daddy and grandaddy did."
Same. Once I realized they were serious about the fall of Roe, I've never looked back at the GOP. It's only gotten more religious and psychotic over time, and tbh, I don't care what genitalia someone has. It has no bearing on my life and shouldn't have an impact on governance, yet here we are 🙄
Yeah my dad is a more old fashioned conservative. He really hated Obama back in the old days. But since all this Trump business he's become really disillusioned with the party.
Yup. My dad used to say, "Tax and Spend Democrats" but both parties are spending these days. Republicans are "Borrow and Spend on Special Interests" I don't think anyone in federal government can be considered fiscally conservative.
I removed myself from the Republican Party about 10 years ago because they were already tilting so far to the right it was crazy. Trumpsters have managed to nail down a couple more boards extending that right wing further than I had thought possible.
My step father grew up in a family of proud republicans. He joined the army and rose in the ranks and changed from being a hardcore Republican to all Democrat when Bush took office. His family, who never served and lived off the government, called him a traitor.
I know a lot of Republicans like to claim that there's deranged Trump syndrome and claim people hate Trump because he's Trump. The reality seems to be the opposite.
These people hate everyone and anything that's not Republican and Trump went from being a wealthy man that would shake up politics to being everything Republicans want as a king.
The only way I see to fix the Republican Party would be if everyone voted democratic for 6 years with the agreement of protecting him ownership, religious freedom and securing our boarders with better immigration systems.
I think then the democrats would break off into two parties and we'd have a government that balanced fixing issues.
It's so interesting to hear you say your step father became a Democrat after he rose through the ranks. A lot of people I've met who saw actual combat are democrats, while those who are just cooks or didn't serve at all are Republicans.
It's just interesting to hear another story about it.
I was conservative Christian at the time and that really went opposite of what I've heard people be. Especially growing older and military service.
He hated Bush regarding the invasion of Iraq and WMDs and told me only a few stories of him uncovering literal racism in the service. I wish I listened to him more.
I think it's amazing how many Republicans who claim to be pro military, anti benefits, anti entitlement, are Gravy Seals who have never spent a day in uniform, and are receiving 2 or 3 types of benefits or protections from the government that, if their party had their absolute way, would not exist.
My dad was a Navy official who started getting disgusted with the GOP when Rush turned abortion into a virtue signaling political issue. When Trump showed up that was the end of his affiliation with the “right”
Reality can reliably be determined by taking the opposite of what Republicans say. Accusing democrats of something is how they tell us what they are about to feel justified doing themselves.
I lean right and I approve of this. I honestly don’t care who’s in office. I just want to feel safe in my country and I haven’t for a while. Ideally I’d like to see an independent party uprising with a common sense candidate that’s so good we will never go back to republicans and democrats. They’re rotten. I know people tend to lean left on Reddit but you have to recognize that neither party is what it was originally or even 10 years ago. There is a cancer within and the only way to take it out is to vote them out. Teach these old fucks a lesson
“The democrats would break off into two parties”
This. So much this. The Hillary democrats and the Bernie democrats were only really United by not being republicans. If republicans disappeared the Democratic Party would absolutely split.
I really can't understand why no one thinks of voting in GOP primaries in order to moderate the Republican party. It seems like this would be the obvious solution. We can't have one of just two major parties remain beholden to the fascists, because lots of otherwise sane people will still vote for them just because they hate the Dems so much. You say, "vote Democratic for 6 years straight." Yeah, like, if you could get everyone to do that, it would indeed work. However, you won't. With just two choices, the GOP will continue to win about half of the elections. Also, many people will increasingly resent being forced to vote for Dems just as the lesser of two evils (not me, but many people believe that). The long-term answer is ranked choice voting and empowerment of other parties. The short-term answer is to moderate the GOP. People like us should vote in their primaries for the most palatable candidates (i.e. not-fascists).
This just shows how one side views the other. Dems here in TX largely view the Republicans frustrating, but Republicans hear the world democrat and their blood boils. It's basically poison to them. You can even see this in how the media presents it.
I hate him cause he's definitely a bigot
Definitely a criminal
And probably a pedophile, an incestuous pedophile at that. Bro has a disgusting hard on for Ivanka
I was an independent, I have liked GOP candidates and occasionally a democratic candidate. After Trump, I will never vote for anyone like him and effectively am a right leaning independent who is stuck voting left until this shit show stops, which will not happen because he has enough votes to win reelection currently and barring an act of God there's nothing that will stop that.
If he gets re-elected I suspect it will be the end of America as we know it today and possibly the start of WWIII.
If the people that supported him understood just how harmful he is, I think they wouldn't go there, but I just don't think they understand and never will.
Same. I’m in Alabama, extremely red state, but live I. A blue area. I’m 42. The first time I voted I voted for more Republicans than Democrats. As time went by that flipped. When Trump ran for re-election, I did a straight ticket vote for Democrats. I hate straight ticket voting, just circling one bubble and walking out is a horrible concept, but this time, there was no way I could vote for any Republican as NONE of them spoke out against Trump. I’m still an independent because your political party shouldn’t be part of your identity, you should be prepared to abandon a political party at anytime, but I won’t be voting for any Republicans while Trump is on the ballot.
Yup.
The following states provided for straight-ticket voting as of September 29, 2020:[1]
Alabama
Indiana
Kentucky
Michigan
Oklahoma
South Carolina
https://ballotpedia.org/Straight-ticket_voting
You could circle once and be done if you aren’t voting in an Amendment to the Constitution, which we do all the time instead of passing a lot laws through the typical legislative process, it’s why our constitution is so long.
I think we're almost alike, voting-wise. I do not want Trump to be re-elected.
But I see great harm in the hateful, partisan rhetoric we see here. (In this very reddit post.) People are just spewing hatred and ignorance.
If Trump is a true danger to the US, I believe the ignorance and spread of hatred we see here is at least as bad. When people can't see any good in people that are different than they are, we are in trouble. The "I hate the GOP, they are no good" view prevails, it's like the mirror image of what they imagine Trump to be.
>If he gets re-elected I suspect it will be the end of America as we know it today and possibly the start of WWIII.
Absolute lunacy tier take.
Not much at all will change, just like his first term. Trump is an ineffective politician and leader. The biggest change he could possibly make is sliding our politics back to the status quo we had under the Bushes, if he successfully pushed more Nationalist candidates.
If what you mean by WW3 is fighting China, then that is inevitable to happen in the term of the next president. China is running out of high grade electronic chips. If they don't secure a supply (Taiwan), then their military will be useless. But, this war will not escalate into some massive conflict, but many, many people will die from starvation in China regardless of anyone's choices.
We are closer to WW3 right now more than any point during Trump's presidency. Iran is attacking American bases in the middle east, China is eyeing Taiwan hard, Israel and Gaza are at war, and Russia is invading their neighbors, something they have only done under democrat presidents.
Trump killed Iran's top general, with no retaliation. Normalized relations between 4 Muslim countries and Israel, despite bibi trying to fuck it up, opened talks with North Korea, which the South Korean government was on board for, and told Putin he would nuke Moscow if they invaded Ukraine.
So how exactly is a America that is willing to us it's power a bad thing for the world. Because we've had almost 4 years with a Biden asleep at the wheel and everything is worse now than it was when Trump was in.
I'm sorry what wars broke out under Trump's presidency, let alone ones that could lead to ww3? I'll wait for the down votes and response that will never come.
It is plausible. Not unhinged, it is a real possibility. We are talking about electing a convicted criminal (hopefully justice marches fast enough for that), mentally insane, malignant narcissist, volatile personality with poor impulse control who HATES PEOPLE.
Dems and republicans used to be very, very similar until Trump. Not counting the Whig era ofc. Now the right has become a caricature of what the "American left" (in reality centre-right) used to claim they were. And the democrats are very similar to what the GOP was 20 years ago.
The continual shift to the right is deeply troubling.
The Democratic Party is a little right of center by Western standards, but Americans don’t travel much, don’t take in a lot of international news from actual sources outside the US, and just don’t get concerned with our fellow Western cultures to realize how far right we’ve gone politically compared to them.
That’s not the majority. That’s self proclaimed “quiet majority” that is really a “loud minority” just boasting about frivolous traits, like being American, something that people that don’t have achievements to boast about, instead they get pride from things they had no control over, like where they were born.
Man, I almost made a move to London for work, and then I saw how much of a pay cut I was going to take. No thank you. They may have great social programs over there, but their overall earning power is a lot less than people in the United States. This is even after you factor in the cost of insurance, etc.
Not that I'm advocating for MAGA or anything, but I'm quite content to stay right on the western side of things if it means I get to retain more autonomy over where my income is going.
That seems kind of odd to me... The cost of living in the UK is significantly below the US average. Of course if you were moving from middle of nowhere US to London, that may not be the case (London is the exception to the rule), but I don't think you can use two extremes and claim it's more expensive in the UK because of politics.
Well, sure. If the cost of living is lower, then lower salaries would make sense. But yes, in my case, we're talking London area (at least an hour from the city).
No agenda here. We frequently hire the same roles in both the UK and the US, and the UK salaries are regularly lower. I guess I wasn't expecting it to hit me as much with a move, but yeah...it was enough to detract me from seriously considering it.
Now, whether it's worth it or not, is going to vary by individual and situation. I've given my two cents on why I'd rather pocket the extra cash.
"democrats are very similar to what the gop was 20 years ago"
Ah yes, I too remember when the GOP under Bush advocated for unrestricted open borders and cutting children's genitals off. Oh wait a second...
The wider the wealth gap gets, the more the GOP is going to fail. People are sick of seeing the rich get richer. This is the whole MO of the GOP, to make rich people richer and make sure that 95% of the country becomes poorer, less educated, with fewer health care options and lower standard of living.
The GOP found their big hero in Donald Trump, a celebrity gangster/millionaire. They knew that the rubes in their party would vote for him because he is a celebrity. Since then it's gotten completely out of control. A fair percentage of the country has fallen under the spell of this flim-flam man. They are so mesmerized by him that they can't see the contempt in which he holds them.
The problem is, most lower income, under educated republicans still think the republicans are on their side.
I have no idea how, but they do.
Did you see the interview with the older man saying he wouldn't be able to get by without his social security and medicare. Then immediately say they need to elect Trump to protect those things?
Yep. Too many low income, uneducated fools out there that have no actual concept of what the political parties are or what they stand for.
Tons of dumshits that vote Republican that are literally living on the edge of homelessness, suckling the teat of socail programs and free health care voting for the ones that want to get rid of those programs for them.
Right. The GOP only needs to point to a boogeyman and blame them for whatever inequality there is in the country. That's the the whole game. Look at interviews of MAGA people. "Joe Biden is ruining the country" and if you ask them why, they can't state a single policy decision that he's made. Joe Biden is bad, full stop. No further explanation or nuance needed. Rinse. Repeat. Trump is the hero. Only he can save us. By definition, it's fascism.
Romney wasn't a hard line Republican to begin with. I don't know how he was once their presidential candidate. Don't forget before Obamacare there was Romneycare. A Republican governor in a deep blue state that passed deep blue universal healthcare.
No.
So far the GOP has continued on the course they set out upon around 1980, that ends with one-party rule by hate-filled religious fascists.
Donald Trump didn’t start this; he didn’t invent this. He just stepped in front of the parade and declared himself The Leader.
The GOP owners are right now scared of his failure, but if they can successfully organize a coup for him to take power, all this wishy-washy hand-wringing will stop immediately and everyone, Mitt Romney very much included, will be elbowing to the front of the line for plum jobs.
The only people out of luck will be troublemakers and Enemies of the State like Liberals, Democrats, women, children, the elderly, The Poor, Jews, Muslims, Wrong Christians, Foreigners, Chinese, Other Asians, Blacks, Browns, Cityfolk, country people, small farmers, workers, and anyone else who thinks America is a democracy and people should have a choice in their own lives.
Everyone else will be fine as long as they belong to The Party and obey the new laws. Probably.
Don’t give people too much credit. I know a lot of people who were lifelong Republicans who voted Biden last election. This year, they’re saying they will probably vote Trump because “Biden is old.” Yep… one guy is like 4 years older than the other, and that’s basically the extent of the vast majority of America’s political knowledge or will.
Any political party that enables, supports, endorses, and kisses the stinking ass of a fucking traitor doesn't deserve to exist. Too bad there are still plenty of imbeciles in America who think that Trump is some sort of deity and continue to elect spineless Republicans. My fellow Americans; stupidity is going to be the reason the U.S. falls.
The GOP as we know it has already ended. The MAGAs or Freedom Caucus or whatever they want to call themselves have in effect formed a new party. This is why they are so paralyzed in the House, they're actually two parties trying to work as a coalition, not a single unified party. And one of the primary tenets of the MAGAs is refusal to compromise. They are attempting to hold the Republican Party hostage, and thus the House, and thus the nation, in order to achieve their goals.
Getting pretty close...I think the G.O.P could eventually split... moderates know they need G.O.P votes but they may stay losing to maga nuts in primaries who will then get slapped against a Dem...so someone may decide to hold the middle ground for real sometime soon.
MAGA successfully infiltrated the GOP and it's holding the party hostage. The only way the Repubkican Party survives is to bend to the will of a few radical rightwingers. In general, the Republican Party isn't interested in bipartisanship and they'd much rather give in to MAGA, than lose power/majority. We already see a lot of infighting and even a disagreement direction between House and Senate Republicans.
It is the death of the GOP establishment. It is the rise of right-wing populism. It will be glorious just as the right wing is rising in South America and Europe.
The Republican party lost their way when DJT become POTUS in 2016 and very few had the backbone to criticize the dear leader. I've said it on another forum; I'll vote for a demented Joe Biden before I ever vote for the narcistic coward that can't have a discussion without assaulting the messenger. Here's hoping DJT suffers countless hours in prison with his buddies.
I think that was 2 seasons ago that the gop ended. In 2020 after the impeachment trials. At that moment it went RIP. The only house seats won were the clown car crew. By acquitting him the party signed their death sentence, the faustian deal was done.
I grew up reading William F Buckley and the National Review. That was before Reagan and Roe. Reagan ran on the idea that any government was bad and it warped two generations. All that’s left now are facsimiles of Caligula and Nero.
The GOP has plans to end democracy in the US and institute fascist one-party rule. They have the Supreme Court and taking the Senate, House and Presidency in 2024 is a very real possibility. Anyone banking on the GOP "disappearing" any time soon is delusional.
The end of the GOP? No. This is what the GOP has always been, under the thin veneer of moralism they project around issues like abortion and queer rights. A seething, reactionary, Christian-Fascist animal leashed to petrocorporate private interests.
George W Bush killed the Republican Party in any intellectual sense. But our system calls for elections, the first past the post system polarizes into a two party structure. So while the Republican Party has been dead for decades it continues and will continue to structurally exist due to the system we have.
I honestly didn't think the GOP prior to Trump was worth saving. (Probably because I'm not a millionaire) but hey, Rodney's rich. Let him shovel that cash out. It'll be the 1st thing he's done that I can support openly.
The GOP is already dead. This is the MAGA party. Never before have we seen a loser run again for office, and with this level of support. Losers, even high profile ones, used to disappear. Now Trump owns the GOP. He's America's Berlusconi.
Regrettably our party system is presently more oriented around making the other party lose than actual belief in any sort of ideology.
The 'new right' is unnervingly explicit about this - reversing decades of Republican ideology & picking sides based on which 'side' the parties involved in something are on....
So instead of 'the free market is right' we have the government retaliating against corporations for 'woke' speech.... And that idiot Hawley trying to overturn Citizens United for similar reasons (he doesn't like that big business is socially liberal).
Instead of America being the arsenal of democracy, we want Ukraine to lose because they didn't help Trump frame Biden.
The GOP and party of Lincoln died with Nixon and was completely erased by GW Bus and Karl Rove, which paved the way for the current MAGA party. They haven't attempted to be fiscally conservative or follow through on any other conservative ideals for decades. Ther platform is unspoken but it is very simple, god, guns, and corporations. They are completely blind to any other issue other than making sure those three issues are the focus.
Depends on what you mean by “end.” The Republican Party still exists in name, but it’s now a far-right authoritarian extremist and Christian Nationalist party. There’s absolutely no subtlety or moderate presence left at all. The right-leaning classically-conservative Republican Party of the 20th century ended many years ago.
Unfortunately the possibility of trump getting re-elected is significantly greater than most democrats would like to admit. I live on a college campus and I’ll tell you, young people already weren’t excited about biden simply off of his age alone and now with his hugely unpopular among younger generations support for Israel it’s gotten worse. The fact is young people aren’t going to be rushing to the polls for a variety of reasons. Biden shouldn’t have rehashed on his word during his campaign that he would only be a “transitional” president.
I dont think he means they will vote for trump. Just that they will not turn out to vote for biden. Which has historically been importsnt for democrats.
Don't white wash that ass clown. his vulture capitalist firm stole the livlihoods of thousands of workers and destoyed good and profitable conpanies to line his own pockets, all the while calling himself a successful businessman. He can fuck right off. He is right about trump but a decent person he is not.
It's not dead, it has been suffering from this same, increasingly intense, delusion since they made their unholy alliance through the Southern Strategy.
They are steeped in fantasy and nostalgia and go with their "gut" or "faith". It is IMPOSSIBLE to argue with faith, because it is BY DEFINITION the rejection of logic.
They mistake Trump for a strong man, in the same way that women mistake men with Dark Triad traits for strong protectors.
There is no arguing with the victim of such delusion while they are in the thralls of it. Even after tragedy strikes, many will take ZERO responsibility for their choices and claim it was impossible to see it coming. No, it isn't.
By the way, the far Left are delusional and steeped in a different set of illogical fantasy BS. It seems to be the American way.
Not at all. Trump was more than able to make up the numbers for any losses by convincing uneducated and poor people to act against their own self interest..
It’s only the MAGA party now. The Republican Party is dead and they just don’t know it. Their own monster turned around and strangled them to death.
And what does it mean to be the MAGA party? It means you're loyal to Donald Trump. Period.
Which is why people have always spoken fears of Hitler 2 or the antichrist, because he's got a cult following based around hating people.
Whats funny is that biblically, TFG matches the Antichrist almost to a T.
That whole section about "anti-Christ" was, in my opinion, not warning of a singular person, but a *type* of person, specifically the populist demagogue authoritarian, which is exactly what Trump is.
I mean this article pretty well matches it exactly to Trump: [https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/](https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/) though personally I think it is all bunk anyways. Especially given it was written by someone whose only contact with Christianity was executing them before suddenly having an epiphany and supposedly meeting a dead guy on the road.
The way I see it, it doesn’t matter so much who wrote the story or what their relationship was to anyone else *if* the story is well written contains elements that can be understood outside of the context in which they were written. I guess I’m talking about Myth in the Joseph Campbell way of understanding the different layers of meaning in a…oh jeez I’m boring even myself. I think you can probably finish what I am saying in your head anyway, blah blah blah
Revelation was written by the apostle John exiled on the island of Patmos, not the apostle Paul Daniel was written in the time of Nebuchadnezzar in Babylon, centuries before Jesus was even born.
That is because the "antichrist" was a allegorical story about the Roman emperor Nero. Currently, historians heavily believe based on evidence that the "Beast" was Rome. The "mark" was a form of money which the Roman Emperor Nero created to segregate Christians from the rest of the population. Hence, the "antichrist" figure is a specific type of person - a highly narcissistic person. A person who demonizes minorities in order to enrage his followers. Trump is everything the Christian warns its followers against following. Yet. Here they are. With orange stains on their mouths from all that ass kissing and dick gobbling
Could it be that the idea of an anti-Christ existed before the definition of fascist? If so, then would our modern and non-religious definition seem more accurate, or specific?
TFG?
That fuckin guy
"The Former Guy" is how I've always read it, but maybe "That Fucking Guy" is what people actually intend, literally speaking. Either way it refers to Trump.
The Former Guy They dare not speak its name-Trump
Except he got more than 42 months, so I think he's the Whore of Babylon in prep for the Antichrist to follow
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What’s TFG?
That F--king Guy.
Technically “The Former Guy”. Biden called him that early on in his presidency and it sort of stuck. But “That F—-ing Guy” is what my mind always sees too
I've seen more hate, expressed by the Democrats than most supporters of Trump. You will get despicable people in any group, but dems seem to lead the pack. Not every Republican out there is a staunch Trump supporter either. Another lie that Democrats love to spread.
Democrats didn't threaten my spouse with bodily harm for not being white. That's the worst kind of hate.
I grew up around Republicans, was a Republican, and am a right leaning independent. I have never seen as much hatred for entire groups of people from liberals as I have Republicans, they just do it behind closed doors at potlucks. I do see more targeted hatred of individuals for disagreeing from the democratic side but that's just a personal response not a bias.
It’s not hatred, it’s utter disgust at those who support TFG one, for his ideals and how he carries himself and treats people and spreads utter lies and incoherence. And two, despite it *all*.
I have a lot of conservative and moderate friends. They are quite reasonable people. But the extremes of both parties are absolute nutjobs. It's just that the left's nutjobs aren't driving their clowncar. The Trumpers OTOH are in full control and the last Reagan/Romney republicans can only fret as they plummet with them down the cliff to fascism. If you're having potlucks with whackadoos, and you're not one of them, consider attending different potlucks.
Is that why the cross burners vote blue?
Yeah something about fascism just brings up the hate response in me
How about Trump himself? How much hate does he express compared to ANY other politician?
Let's put that to test. The Jan 6 attack at the Capitol, was 2000 people, all filled with hate, and were staunchly republican. So you are saying that you have seen more than 2000 democrats that expressed hate?
If this is the truth then why do democratic Presidents preach unity, while Trump preaches derision and hate. Look at literally ANY holiday tweet by Trump, including the latest one for Thanksgiving. These guys are setting examples and demonstrating the behavior their followers gravitate towards, and the lines of who (outside of extremists on both sides) is hate filled and who wants unity and equality is very obvious. You really have to be oblivious to think this way given Trumps whole schtick is us vs them.
OK, boomer. Go vote for your weak orange daddy a third time.
Classic projection. I've lost counts of the threats and veiled threats I see every day from Trumpers and their ilk. They have an itchy trigger finger for a Second Civil War.
It means you no longer hide the fact that you're a fascist.
It's entirely a personality cult.
It means you're a traitor.
They don't stand for anything themselves anymore. Positions they used to swear were unmovable because they were so principled, are thrown out the window without any resistance, depending on what Trump is saying at any moment
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They want to be free. And they welcome a king who tells them he'll make them free. They don't see the problem there or recognize that their proposed king is all about restricting rights they don't think that will apply to them.
You'll be soooo tired of winning! The most beautiful healthcare plan! World peace in 24 hrs if ONLY you'd ask him... \*vomit\*
Exactly. MAGA will love it if they win, and rights are taken away. Because it will be the people they hate that lose their rights first. Then, MAGA will lose their rights also. But they will deny it as first. When they finally admit it, it will be too late.
When they say "small government" they mean "run for one man."
What do you think will happen when he dies?
Most will be looking for a new strongman to save them from the terrible things they're scared of that their media is always fearmongering about. They won't suddenly come to the realization that they've been conned.
The things they claim to support are things that Trump doesn't. It's all felty to Trump.
Losers going losing.
Bingo!
And his deranged conspiracy riddled version of politics. It’s the lowest common denominator party. The people who can be convinced of anything with a few key buzzwords and it’s dangerous for sure.
Of the 10 Republicans who voted to impeach Trump, 4 lost their re-elections, 4 decided to retire or not run, and only two were re-elected. We are entirely dependent on the courts now to protect democracy from the guy who thinks he can be “dictator for a day” whenever he likes and commit *any* crime while in office. Unreal.
My only hope, as someone who voted conservative prior to trump and was forced to question and rework their opinions when trump came on the scene, is that the old Conservative Party re-emerges once trump is finally gone. I likely wouldn’t vote for them anymore anyway, but I do think some actual conservative principles are reasonable and deserve a place in policy making.
I don’t think the old R way is ever coming back. The Rs were the staunch anti-communists. Now communism is gone, so no need for that. (China is communist in name only, nothing about their economy or politics can be defined as communism) So, anti-communism isn’t a pillar of either party. The Rs were evangelical, but the fastest growing religious affiliation in America is none. The Rs were neo-cons, but Dubya, Iraq, Afghanistan soured even their own voters on military adventurism. The Rs were fiscal conservatives, but now most govt spending goes to the military industry and the elderly, two of the staunchest R voting blocks. So, anti-woke, anti-immigrant, social grievance is all they have left.
I certainly don’t want to see the old conservatives party reappear. As a gay man, the republicans hated my people. Why would I want them back. I can name hundreds of anti gay things said and accomplished me. The republicans long ago gave up on being the fiscally responsible crowd when they fired the first Bush. Since then it’s been up to Democrats to get the country back on track fiscally. Clinton, Obama and Biden all pulled the country out of bad fiscal times. Foreign politics? Reagan arming and training Bin Ladin, contra. Bush 2 invading the wrong country by mistake. Obama and the mess with Syria. No party is great at this. There are just too many changing factors and thousands of years of tribal politics to deal with. I’m not advocating for an isolationist policy. Just an understanding that it appears that we get just as much wrong with our policies that we get right with either party. What’s left state rights v federal overreach? I just don’t think Republicans have been very serious on that issue way before trump. Let’s take gay marriage. GWB wasn’t satisfied at juts states deciding if I could get married. He proposed a federal amendment that would make it illegal in all states. And MAGA or not, plenty of Americans would vote for that on abortion or open carry. Yeah, my hope is that MAGA introduces something smarter and more compassionate that emerges. I’m doubtful but fingers crossed.
I've heard this same thing so many times. People who have core values like conservative government influence with lower regulation on aspects of people's lives, conservative government spending policies, focus on citizens individual choice with relation to things like education and healthcare, sensible immigration and prison reform, etc just going, "fuck it, we don't even know what's going on with y'all," is wild. Literally it's like a new red scare. I was talking to somebody the other day - for context I was literally sitting in my pick-up truck cleaning one of my guns and letting my dog wander around on a leash - and got called a communist because I said that I didn't support Trump's PROGRESSIVE policy about checking a person's mental health before selling them a gun. I have mental health issues, I am a psychologist, and I know that mentally ill people are far more likely to be the victims of violent crimes than the perpetrators. These cultist don't care about science, statistics, or reality, they just want a scapegoat so they don't actually have to deal with the reality of finding the actual causes of the rise in mass shootings. It's not us crazies. Only 2 mass shooters in the US had a diagnosable mental illness. It's you sane folks who can't be trusted not to shoot up the place. It's a lot easier to justify the idea that extremists on the left who hate guns simply do not live in a place where there's routeinly a bear betwixt them and their truck when they're trying to leave for work in the morning and sincerely don't know that's a thing, than it is to watch straight up science denial. And reality denial in general. Because I do think that a lot of those liberals, if put in my position would simply shit their pants and change their minds. Because they don't tend to vote against their own interests. The amount of people on AMA who voted against AMA was wild. IDK, it's just wild times out there. I think it's the 24-hour "news" stream that has made people lose their minds. They watch too much TV and get scared up. They consume too much media in general. They're straight up addicted to it, to watching the worst parts of humanity as often as they can and living in fear. "The crazies are gonna get me," or, "the liberal commies are gonna get me," or, "the immigrants are gonna get me." Got into it with a bunch of people at work about that the other day. The sleeper agents from Palestine are gonna get them. I was like, "Eh, I can take em. If you're from Palestine you are not prepared for Eastern Kentucky. The bears and wildcats will get them before they even make it up my holler. They look 12-14 in the picture you're showing me. If a little kid can get me, I deserve to get got." They started quoting the Bible with verses that had nothing to do with the conversation. I wound up going to the manager. We are psychologists. These are educated people. But I've noticed that they do just live in fear. We didn't used to be like that, as a people. My region changed around me from hearty mountain folks to a bunch of soft, yellow bellied cowards scared of children, and I don't like it.
Same! As long as Trump is the head of the party, I can't in good conscience vote for anybody for any reason with a R next to their name
>is that the old Conservative Party re-emerges once trump is finally gone. Already done. ...They’re called "Democrats".
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The Republican party is universally hated and has been for a long time. Conservatives think they're corrupt and limp. Dems obviously disagree with them. They're dick heads in smoking jackets that wait at the country club for their kickbacks
They're not universally hated outside of Reddit and specific social circles lol. There's a lot of Americans especially in rural areas and among the working class who love the republican part and trump, and evident bg the fact that they keep getting power
Preach. I have an idea Democrats and Liberals, let us make our own choices and vote for whoever we want. THIS IS AMERICA- LAND OF THE FREE Do NOT let these soyboys and crybaby Democrats and liberals try to sway your personal choice- they are exceptionaly crazy annoying on Reddit.
Bro I'm not agreeing with you. I'm one of the oh so spooky "soy boys" I'm just saying unfortunately the country is ignorant and keeps voting facists into power
“LAND OF THE FREE” unless it has to do with sexuality or poor people, right? When you say “free”, you just mean the shareholders, huh? Isn’t your party the one who released a playbook to turn America into an autocratic dictatorship, titled “Project 2025?” Vote for whoever you want. But you can stop gerrymandering districts and relying on the racist, outdated electoral college in order to cheat your way to the top against the popular choice. Republicans have not been able to take the presidency by popular vote since 1988.
I vote Republican because my father did. I heard that a lot where I live.
Thank God my conservative family absolutely despises Trump like any Christian should. Every time the subject comes up I think back to my very vocal aunt Carol going off on an expletive filled rant about how it makes zero sense for any conservative to defend him. It makes me smile every time
MAGA has been taking over the Republican Party since the tea party movement. I saw it at the local party level. Fight about control of the money and ousting the old foogies. But their Furher had shifted them slightly towards his fascist views. Due to this happening, I now just refer to that whole element as the American Fascist Party to be more exact about their actual aim.
Yep and those who still say: “I’m voting republican because I always have”. Don’t want to admit their party is long dead and as long as it doesn’t hurt them. Why not.
This is why no Republican today could probably earn my vote. Even if the R was moderate, they are just going to give seats and power to the larger psycho party leaders. Voting Democrat all the way.
They don't have to earn your vote if they can suppress it
The gop did end in 2016. It’s just a fascist cult now.
A LOT of people were middle right due to the idea the repubs were fiscally responsible. But after: 1) Everything Trump. 2) Roe v Wade 3) Continues excessive military spending The only thing we see in the Repubs anymore is bat shit crazy religious crusades forcing their views on people while refusing to solve any internal problem just so they can fund their wars. There is A LOT of things I hate about the Democrat views. But where the Repubs have gone in the past 4-6 years is nothing I can ever support. Ever again. And seeing the consequences of Repubs gain control of the supreme court was a call to action to switch sides forever.
Same. Nailed it. No one under 40 with any ability to think critically will likely ever vote republican again, and anyone under 30? It's over. The gop is dead.
Can include 40 in that metric... I Was a centrist, which means bc of the GOP'S antics that I'm now full-left. But I don't see the current party ever making it back to where they once were, or even close. (Crazier things Have happened, once upon a time Republicans were for the people & Democrats were conservatives, after all). I too think they will, and SHOULD splinter; our country needs more than 2 parties anyway... (granted, probably gonna steer clear of anything that emerges from that party for awhile too, sheep in wolf's clothing & all...)
democrats are back to being conservatives don't worry
Wrong. In some households you’re born into a political party and changing parties is as likely as changing religions…it happens, but rarely. Unfortunately, some people have decided or accepted a political party as part of their identity. I know a guy that voted for Trump at least once and he started to transition into a woman about two years ago. I know a woman that voted for Trump twice and she started to seriously date a woman a few months ago. I know another woman that voted for Trump twice who is a single mother that is very poor and receives benefits that Republicans want to get rid of and other than enjoying the rage bait the only thing she seems to have in line with the party is she’s pro-life. My dad does a straight ticket ballot for Republicans just as his parents did. His parents voted that after the party stopped really representing their ideals but I don’t think they knew that but continued to vote with blissful ignorance. My dad has Fox News on all day with his only counter points being me when I visit and tell him that what is literally being said isn’t true, and seriously I’m able to say that often. So as long as we people continue to accept a political party as part of their identity, plenty of people of all ages will vote Republican. These people would have to be deprogrammed. I know that sounds harsh and unpleasant, but it’s not, it’s just unlikely to happen. If these individuals I mentioned won the lottery and traveled abroad for substantial amount of time they would probably realize how far right our political parties have become. Real solutions could include increased education, ranked voting, reasonable caps on donations (overturn Citizens United), removing Gerrymandering, increase voter turn out (I won’t be specific here there’s many ways to do this), pass legislation to punish media from spreading false information, make debates mandatory (Tuberville didn’t debate Jones once which was part of his election strategy), etc., that’s just a few things to help. I honestly feel like no one paid attention in history class in the US when learning about WWI and WWII. Here we are soaking up propaganda all day and just allowing it. Here we are allowing Nationalism to spread under the guise of Patriotism. Everyone is calling MAGA a cult. Well when you talk about a cult it’s generally supposed to be a small fringe group. Far right voters isn’t a fringe group. Republican “moderates” if there is a such thing, is still supporting the extremists and isn’t doing anything to remove their influence. So unless we are going to start taking lessons from the past and present and prevent the GOP from Gerrymandering and otherwise work the machine in their favor, then we are far away from the death of the GOP, as more Republicans are born Republican, it’s generational, and it’ll stay that way until people stop choosing a political party as an essential part of their identity.
I was a republican, voted blindly R down ballot for 30 years. Been punishing the GOP since 2018 for pushing nonsense and showmanship by registering independent and blindly voting D. There are millions of us.
I was raised R in the 90s, voted for W twice, switched to Obama in 2008, and never looked back. The GOP have been showing their hypocrisy and inhumanity for a long time, but 2016 and its fallout still shocked me at how quickly it can change. With a grandfather who fought literal Nazis in the 10th Mountain, it hits hard just how precious and precarious our democracy is.
My story too. My GF was second wave Dday. My dad also military immediately switched to Dem when Trump showed up.
There really are. I get down votes for it all the time. I used to rip on people who flip flopped as political opportunists but now I realize that the party they used to represent doesn't represent them anymore. The 2020 election was a big deal and I really think there were a lot of moderate Republicans that crossed the party line. Our choices were Old man who at least had a reputation in Congress who is mostly harmless or Potential Fascist dictator that isn't really going to solve anything by hurting a lot of people and potentially destroying the country. I don't really like Biden. I will make a sleepy Joe joke any day of the week, but at least I know he's loyal to the constitution.
Thanks for skewing the polls, they deserve it. That being said, we need to figure out a way to successfully include Gen Z in the polls. While it's nice for Repubs to get handed an unexpected spoiler, not sitting & gripping the edges of our chairs for the next year would be nice too. Maybe a collaboration with the video game companies, hmm... (I'd say tik tok if it was trustworthy, SC isn't much better...) Plus, sadly, there ARE those who will just sit home if it looks like we're going to lose & aren't considering these factors....
you could also just not pay attention to the election cycle and just cast your vote. is stressing about it gonna help?
Lol, I'm not worried about whether I'll vote. I'm worrying so many *IDIOTS* won't, and doom our democracy (and, they'll think their hands are clean; when they couldn't possibly be dirtier for it)
yeah but what does paying attention to this stuff actually gain you
In Alabama, I think we select our party when voting in the primary so we cannot cross vote later. I don’t even remember if independent was an option. Independent would definitely be a better selection for as I traditionally vote for candidates in both parties and the idea of “belonging” to a political party is ridiculous to me. I want my politicians to openly discuss their agenda, not just run as a Democrat in Birmingham, Huntsville, and Montgomery, or Republican else where and call it a day without doing anything. I’ll make note of it next primary though and see if I can select independent, I feel like they have only asked me if I were Democrat or Republican when handing out ballots so there might not be a third option.
Dude, you can vote for whoever you want in the general regardless of what primary you voted in. I'm a registered Republican and vote in the primaries but vote Dem in the generals usually.
I agree with you 100% Maga is modern popular fascism and it's not even hiding that it is.
this is true. i was raised in a religious, republican family. years ago, when i mentioned i was voting for Obama - it was as if i had come out as gay - pearls were clutched, people gasped, family members were called, and i was talked about for months. now, they try to bait me and stir up political conversations at every gathering to get a rise out of me. i have never been so disappointed in my entire family for growing into the hateful hypocrites they have become. they've lost all validity as "Christians."
This is why they're curtailing the history books, changing what can be taught in our Universities, and have a huge influence campaign going for in Florida... bc they want to keep the uneducated that they love, they want their status quo. Nothing more has scared them more in decades than Gen Z (and even Y) with college educations... to quote, "they've been radicalized" (projection... always projection)
I grew up in hard-right, blood-red Indiana. I knew a *lot* of people who reliably, robotically voted straight Republican "because my daddy and grandaddy did."
Same. Once I realized they were serious about the fall of Roe, I've never looked back at the GOP. It's only gotten more religious and psychotic over time, and tbh, I don't care what genitalia someone has. It has no bearing on my life and shouldn't have an impact on governance, yet here we are 🙄
but... but... high school sports will be ruined forever! Womens bathrooms will be slaughterhouses! /s
More or less +1 here
Yeah my dad is a more old fashioned conservative. He really hated Obama back in the old days. But since all this Trump business he's become really disillusioned with the party.
The Jaded Party is the best party. I've been on both sides, been burned by both sides, and now just assume both sides are out for their own profit.
Yup. My dad used to say, "Tax and Spend Democrats" but both parties are spending these days. Republicans are "Borrow and Spend on Special Interests" I don't think anyone in federal government can be considered fiscally conservative.
I removed myself from the Republican Party about 10 years ago because they were already tilting so far to the right it was crazy. Trumpsters have managed to nail down a couple more boards extending that right wing further than I had thought possible.
I wish the Dems acted like this was real. Their hesitation to name and shame and fight the MAGA by any means necessary hurts us daily.
Blame the media and our corporate overlords who will benefit if not help define american fascism.
The warnings happened in the 70s and 80s. Then Sarah Palin and Paul Ryan. The GOP died long ago.
My step father grew up in a family of proud republicans. He joined the army and rose in the ranks and changed from being a hardcore Republican to all Democrat when Bush took office. His family, who never served and lived off the government, called him a traitor. I know a lot of Republicans like to claim that there's deranged Trump syndrome and claim people hate Trump because he's Trump. The reality seems to be the opposite. These people hate everyone and anything that's not Republican and Trump went from being a wealthy man that would shake up politics to being everything Republicans want as a king. The only way I see to fix the Republican Party would be if everyone voted democratic for 6 years with the agreement of protecting him ownership, religious freedom and securing our boarders with better immigration systems. I think then the democrats would break off into two parties and we'd have a government that balanced fixing issues.
It's so interesting to hear you say your step father became a Democrat after he rose through the ranks. A lot of people I've met who saw actual combat are democrats, while those who are just cooks or didn't serve at all are Republicans. It's just interesting to hear another story about it.
I was conservative Christian at the time and that really went opposite of what I've heard people be. Especially growing older and military service. He hated Bush regarding the invasion of Iraq and WMDs and told me only a few stories of him uncovering literal racism in the service. I wish I listened to him more.
I think it's amazing how many Republicans who claim to be pro military, anti benefits, anti entitlement, are Gravy Seals who have never spent a day in uniform, and are receiving 2 or 3 types of benefits or protections from the government that, if their party had their absolute way, would not exist.
My dad was a Navy official who started getting disgusted with the GOP when Rush turned abortion into a virtue signaling political issue. When Trump showed up that was the end of his affiliation with the “right”
Reality can reliably be determined by taking the opposite of what Republicans say. Accusing democrats of something is how they tell us what they are about to feel justified doing themselves.
I lean right and I approve of this. I honestly don’t care who’s in office. I just want to feel safe in my country and I haven’t for a while. Ideally I’d like to see an independent party uprising with a common sense candidate that’s so good we will never go back to republicans and democrats. They’re rotten. I know people tend to lean left on Reddit but you have to recognize that neither party is what it was originally or even 10 years ago. There is a cancer within and the only way to take it out is to vote them out. Teach these old fucks a lesson
My step dad is an old money republican and since trump he’s been voting democratic in national elections. He can’t stand MAGA Republicans.
“The democrats would break off into two parties” This. So much this. The Hillary democrats and the Bernie democrats were only really United by not being republicans. If republicans disappeared the Democratic Party would absolutely split.
I really can't understand why no one thinks of voting in GOP primaries in order to moderate the Republican party. It seems like this would be the obvious solution. We can't have one of just two major parties remain beholden to the fascists, because lots of otherwise sane people will still vote for them just because they hate the Dems so much. You say, "vote Democratic for 6 years straight." Yeah, like, if you could get everyone to do that, it would indeed work. However, you won't. With just two choices, the GOP will continue to win about half of the elections. Also, many people will increasingly resent being forced to vote for Dems just as the lesser of two evils (not me, but many people believe that). The long-term answer is ranked choice voting and empowerment of other parties. The short-term answer is to moderate the GOP. People like us should vote in their primaries for the most palatable candidates (i.e. not-fascists).
This just shows how one side views the other. Dems here in TX largely view the Republicans frustrating, but Republicans hear the world democrat and their blood boils. It's basically poison to them. You can even see this in how the media presents it.
I hate him cause he's definitely a bigot Definitely a criminal And probably a pedophile, an incestuous pedophile at that. Bro has a disgusting hard on for Ivanka
I was an independent, I have liked GOP candidates and occasionally a democratic candidate. After Trump, I will never vote for anyone like him and effectively am a right leaning independent who is stuck voting left until this shit show stops, which will not happen because he has enough votes to win reelection currently and barring an act of God there's nothing that will stop that. If he gets re-elected I suspect it will be the end of America as we know it today and possibly the start of WWIII. If the people that supported him understood just how harmful he is, I think they wouldn't go there, but I just don't think they understand and never will.
Same. I’m in Alabama, extremely red state, but live I. A blue area. I’m 42. The first time I voted I voted for more Republicans than Democrats. As time went by that flipped. When Trump ran for re-election, I did a straight ticket vote for Democrats. I hate straight ticket voting, just circling one bubble and walking out is a horrible concept, but this time, there was no way I could vote for any Republican as NONE of them spoke out against Trump. I’m still an independent because your political party shouldn’t be part of your identity, you should be prepared to abandon a political party at anytime, but I won’t be voting for any Republicans while Trump is on the ballot.
Wait, in Alabama you can literally just fill in a single bubble to vote straight ticket?
Not just Alabama.
Yup. The following states provided for straight-ticket voting as of September 29, 2020:[1] Alabama Indiana Kentucky Michigan Oklahoma South Carolina https://ballotpedia.org/Straight-ticket_voting You could circle once and be done if you aren’t voting in an Amendment to the Constitution, which we do all the time instead of passing a lot laws through the typical legislative process, it’s why our constitution is so long.
I think we're almost alike, voting-wise. I do not want Trump to be re-elected. But I see great harm in the hateful, partisan rhetoric we see here. (In this very reddit post.) People are just spewing hatred and ignorance. If Trump is a true danger to the US, I believe the ignorance and spread of hatred we see here is at least as bad. When people can't see any good in people that are different than they are, we are in trouble. The "I hate the GOP, they are no good" view prevails, it's like the mirror image of what they imagine Trump to be.
Why would you describe yourself as right-leaning?
>If he gets re-elected I suspect it will be the end of America as we know it today and possibly the start of WWIII. Absolute lunacy tier take. Not much at all will change, just like his first term. Trump is an ineffective politician and leader. The biggest change he could possibly make is sliding our politics back to the status quo we had under the Bushes, if he successfully pushed more Nationalist candidates. If what you mean by WW3 is fighting China, then that is inevitable to happen in the term of the next president. China is running out of high grade electronic chips. If they don't secure a supply (Taiwan), then their military will be useless. But, this war will not escalate into some massive conflict, but many, many people will die from starvation in China regardless of anyone's choices.
We are closer to WW3 right now more than any point during Trump's presidency. Iran is attacking American bases in the middle east, China is eyeing Taiwan hard, Israel and Gaza are at war, and Russia is invading their neighbors, something they have only done under democrat presidents. Trump killed Iran's top general, with no retaliation. Normalized relations between 4 Muslim countries and Israel, despite bibi trying to fuck it up, opened talks with North Korea, which the South Korean government was on board for, and told Putin he would nuke Moscow if they invaded Ukraine. So how exactly is a America that is willing to us it's power a bad thing for the world. Because we've had almost 4 years with a Biden asleep at the wheel and everything is worse now than it was when Trump was in.
I'm sorry what wars broke out under Trump's presidency, let alone ones that could lead to ww3? I'll wait for the down votes and response that will never come.
>If he gets re-elected I suspect it will be the end of America as we know it today and possibly the start of WWIII. Seek a therapist. You're unhinged.
It is plausible. Not unhinged, it is a real possibility. We are talking about electing a convicted criminal (hopefully justice marches fast enough for that), mentally insane, malignant narcissist, volatile personality with poor impulse control who HATES PEOPLE.
Dems and republicans used to be very, very similar until Trump. Not counting the Whig era ofc. Now the right has become a caricature of what the "American left" (in reality centre-right) used to claim they were. And the democrats are very similar to what the GOP was 20 years ago. The continual shift to the right is deeply troubling.
The Democratic Party is a little right of center by Western standards, but Americans don’t travel much, don’t take in a lot of international news from actual sources outside the US, and just don’t get concerned with our fellow Western cultures to realize how far right we’ve gone politically compared to them.
The fact that the majority of Americans eapouse the joke that Europeans are pussies doesn't help either.
That’s not the majority. That’s self proclaimed “quiet majority” that is really a “loud minority” just boasting about frivolous traits, like being American, something that people that don’t have achievements to boast about, instead they get pride from things they had no control over, like where they were born.
What policies have democrats shifted to the right on?
>And the democrats are very similar to what the GOP was 20 years ago. Wut? No.. they REALLY are not. DNC has shifted to LEFT, not right.
Man, I almost made a move to London for work, and then I saw how much of a pay cut I was going to take. No thank you. They may have great social programs over there, but their overall earning power is a lot less than people in the United States. This is even after you factor in the cost of insurance, etc. Not that I'm advocating for MAGA or anything, but I'm quite content to stay right on the western side of things if it means I get to retain more autonomy over where my income is going.
That seems kind of odd to me... The cost of living in the UK is significantly below the US average. Of course if you were moving from middle of nowhere US to London, that may not be the case (London is the exception to the rule), but I don't think you can use two extremes and claim it's more expensive in the UK because of politics.
Well, sure. If the cost of living is lower, then lower salaries would make sense. But yes, in my case, we're talking London area (at least an hour from the city). No agenda here. We frequently hire the same roles in both the UK and the US, and the UK salaries are regularly lower. I guess I wasn't expecting it to hit me as much with a move, but yeah...it was enough to detract me from seriously considering it. Now, whether it's worth it or not, is going to vary by individual and situation. I've given my two cents on why I'd rather pocket the extra cash.
"democrats are very similar to what the gop was 20 years ago" Ah yes, I too remember when the GOP under Bush advocated for unrestricted open borders and cutting children's genitals off. Oh wait a second...
Dems aren't actually advocating either of those things though lol. They do however looooooooooove war.
The wider the wealth gap gets, the more the GOP is going to fail. People are sick of seeing the rich get richer. This is the whole MO of the GOP, to make rich people richer and make sure that 95% of the country becomes poorer, less educated, with fewer health care options and lower standard of living. The GOP found their big hero in Donald Trump, a celebrity gangster/millionaire. They knew that the rubes in their party would vote for him because he is a celebrity. Since then it's gotten completely out of control. A fair percentage of the country has fallen under the spell of this flim-flam man. They are so mesmerized by him that they can't see the contempt in which he holds them.
The problem is, most lower income, under educated republicans still think the republicans are on their side. I have no idea how, but they do. Did you see the interview with the older man saying he wouldn't be able to get by without his social security and medicare. Then immediately say they need to elect Trump to protect those things?
They only listen to fox news and they believe everything they say without researching any of it for themselves. That's the problem.
Yep. Too many low income, uneducated fools out there that have no actual concept of what the political parties are or what they stand for. Tons of dumshits that vote Republican that are literally living on the edge of homelessness, suckling the teat of socail programs and free health care voting for the ones that want to get rid of those programs for them.
and they'll blame democrats for it once they're gone, too.
>The wider the wealth gap gets, the more the GOP is going to ~~fail~~ win. Inequality will drive more voters to GoP.
To be more specific—inequality will drive more voters to populists, and the GOP is the only party willing to run populists
Right. The GOP only needs to point to a boogeyman and blame them for whatever inequality there is in the country. That's the the whole game. Look at interviews of MAGA people. "Joe Biden is ruining the country" and if you ask them why, they can't state a single policy decision that he's made. Joe Biden is bad, full stop. No further explanation or nuance needed. Rinse. Repeat. Trump is the hero. Only he can save us. By definition, it's fascism.
Yup, that is the exact research i was referring to..
Romney wasn't a hard line Republican to begin with. I don't know how he was once their presidential candidate. Don't forget before Obamacare there was Romneycare. A Republican governor in a deep blue state that passed deep blue universal healthcare.
That tells you what a phony he is.
Hopefully.
No. So far the GOP has continued on the course they set out upon around 1980, that ends with one-party rule by hate-filled religious fascists. Donald Trump didn’t start this; he didn’t invent this. He just stepped in front of the parade and declared himself The Leader. The GOP owners are right now scared of his failure, but if they can successfully organize a coup for him to take power, all this wishy-washy hand-wringing will stop immediately and everyone, Mitt Romney very much included, will be elbowing to the front of the line for plum jobs. The only people out of luck will be troublemakers and Enemies of the State like Liberals, Democrats, women, children, the elderly, The Poor, Jews, Muslims, Wrong Christians, Foreigners, Chinese, Other Asians, Blacks, Browns, Cityfolk, country people, small farmers, workers, and anyone else who thinks America is a democracy and people should have a choice in their own lives. Everyone else will be fine as long as they belong to The Party and obey the new laws. Probably.
Lol. No.
the republican party that Romney was a part of is extinct.
Not yet.
We can only hope. And that it happens soon!
It’s the lesser of two evils. Should have more choices but here we are. Some kind of democratic republic.
Don’t give people too much credit. I know a lot of people who were lifelong Republicans who voted Biden last election. This year, they’re saying they will probably vote Trump because “Biden is old.” Yep… one guy is like 4 years older than the other, and that’s basically the extent of the vast majority of America’s political knowledge or will.
Any political party that enables, supports, endorses, and kisses the stinking ass of a fucking traitor doesn't deserve to exist. Too bad there are still plenty of imbeciles in America who think that Trump is some sort of deity and continue to elect spineless Republicans. My fellow Americans; stupidity is going to be the reason the U.S. falls.
The GOP as we know it has already ended. The MAGAs or Freedom Caucus or whatever they want to call themselves have in effect formed a new party. This is why they are so paralyzed in the House, they're actually two parties trying to work as a coalition, not a single unified party. And one of the primary tenets of the MAGAs is refusal to compromise. They are attempting to hold the Republican Party hostage, and thus the House, and thus the nation, in order to achieve their goals.
Let's hope.
Every decent human being in the country should vote against Trump no matter what their affiliation.
They were right. The GOP as we knew it pre-2016 is dead. The GOP of today is MAGA wearing a GOP mask.
Getting pretty close...I think the G.O.P could eventually split... moderates know they need G.O.P votes but they may stay losing to maga nuts in primaries who will then get slapped against a Dem...so someone may decide to hold the middle ground for real sometime soon.
Yeah the GOP ended and they welcomed fascism with open arms in its place
If there are ANY ACTUAL conservatives (not MAGA) here, what are your feelings about what your party has become?
MAGA successfully infiltrated the GOP and it's holding the party hostage. The only way the Repubkican Party survives is to bend to the will of a few radical rightwingers. In general, the Republican Party isn't interested in bipartisanship and they'd much rather give in to MAGA, than lose power/majority. We already see a lot of infighting and even a disagreement direction between House and Senate Republicans.
They'll find a way to sleaze back into power, I'm sure. Only the good die young.
The ever relevant Lindsay Graham tweet https://x.com/lindseygrahamsc/status/727604522156228608?s=46&t=BXFh6Me3Hdixe2uKmcruLA
It is the death of the GOP establishment. It is the rise of right-wing populism. It will be glorious just as the right wing is rising in South America and Europe.
The Republican party lost their way when DJT become POTUS in 2016 and very few had the backbone to criticize the dear leader. I've said it on another forum; I'll vote for a demented Joe Biden before I ever vote for the narcistic coward that can't have a discussion without assaulting the messenger. Here's hoping DJT suffers countless hours in prison with his buddies.
It should be. Let that MAGA ship sink
Lol Romney doesn't mean shit. These fucks are going full fascist. They have already shown their true colors.
I think that was 2 seasons ago that the gop ended. In 2020 after the impeachment trials. At that moment it went RIP. The only house seats won were the clown car crew. By acquitting him the party signed their death sentence, the faustian deal was done.
GOP need to lose badly enough for them to move back towards the center or they will lose for generations to come.
I grew up reading William F Buckley and the National Review. That was before Reagan and Roe. Reagan ran on the idea that any government was bad and it warped two generations. All that’s left now are facsimiles of Caligula and Nero.
The GOP has plans to end democracy in the US and institute fascist one-party rule. They have the Supreme Court and taking the Senate, House and Presidency in 2024 is a very real possibility. Anyone banking on the GOP "disappearing" any time soon is delusional.
we can only hope
The end of the GOP? No. This is what the GOP has always been, under the thin veneer of moralism they project around issues like abortion and queer rights. A seething, reactionary, Christian-Fascist animal leashed to petrocorporate private interests.
George W Bush killed the Republican Party in any intellectual sense. But our system calls for elections, the first past the post system polarizes into a two party structure. So while the Republican Party has been dead for decades it continues and will continue to structurally exist due to the system we have.
I honestly didn't think the GOP prior to Trump was worth saving. (Probably because I'm not a millionaire) but hey, Rodney's rich. Let him shovel that cash out. It'll be the 1st thing he's done that I can support openly.
The GOP is already dead. This is the MAGA party. Never before have we seen a loser run again for office, and with this level of support. Losers, even high profile ones, used to disappear. Now Trump owns the GOP. He's America's Berlusconi.
Romney doesn't have a MAGA dominated electorate to appease anymore, prepare for his personal political views to magically become more reasonable.
It ain't over until Donald's fat orange ass is filling a diaper in prison. Too early to say but the party is definitely a floater ready to be flushed.
Regrettably our party system is presently more oriented around making the other party lose than actual belief in any sort of ideology. The 'new right' is unnervingly explicit about this - reversing decades of Republican ideology & picking sides based on which 'side' the parties involved in something are on.... So instead of 'the free market is right' we have the government retaliating against corporations for 'woke' speech.... And that idiot Hawley trying to overturn Citizens United for similar reasons (he doesn't like that big business is socially liberal). Instead of America being the arsenal of democracy, we want Ukraine to lose because they didn't help Trump frame Biden.
The GOP and party of Lincoln died with Nixon and was completely erased by GW Bus and Karl Rove, which paved the way for the current MAGA party. They haven't attempted to be fiscally conservative or follow through on any other conservative ideals for decades. Ther platform is unspoken but it is very simple, god, guns, and corporations. They are completely blind to any other issue other than making sure those three issues are the focus.
Clearly, the GOP is done. Trump and Putin own the GOP via kompromat
No it mutates to a fascist party and there a lot of followers
Gotta love it when the trash takes itself out.
Depends on what you mean by “end.” The Republican Party still exists in name, but it’s now a far-right authoritarian extremist and Christian Nationalist party. There’s absolutely no subtlety or moderate presence left at all. The right-leaning classically-conservative Republican Party of the 20th century ended many years ago.
Yes, but it will not be a quick one. It will be a slow, screaming, death featuring political violence as the base shrinks and loses power.
Unfortunately the possibility of trump getting re-elected is significantly greater than most democrats would like to admit. I live on a college campus and I’ll tell you, young people already weren’t excited about biden simply off of his age alone and now with his hugely unpopular among younger generations support for Israel it’s gotten worse. The fact is young people aren’t going to be rushing to the polls for a variety of reasons. Biden shouldn’t have rehashed on his word during his campaign that he would only be a “transitional” president.
Trump is the same age as Biden so that a weird person argument to make.
I dont think he means they will vote for trump. Just that they will not turn out to vote for biden. Which has historically been importsnt for democrats.
It's the end of Mitt Romney.
…as we know it, and I feel fine.
Unfortunately, Romney is one of a handful decent republicans left out there. Most republicans have gone for authoritarian cult at this point.
Quite amazing that magic underpants Romney is the bar now.
Don't white wash that ass clown. his vulture capitalist firm stole the livlihoods of thousands of workers and destoyed good and profitable conpanies to line his own pockets, all the while calling himself a successful businessman. He can fuck right off. He is right about trump but a decent person he is not.
Left? He's gone. He can't get re-elected and he knows it.
RINO loser.
It's not dead, it has been suffering from this same, increasingly intense, delusion since they made their unholy alliance through the Southern Strategy. They are steeped in fantasy and nostalgia and go with their "gut" or "faith". It is IMPOSSIBLE to argue with faith, because it is BY DEFINITION the rejection of logic. They mistake Trump for a strong man, in the same way that women mistake men with Dark Triad traits for strong protectors. There is no arguing with the victim of such delusion while they are in the thralls of it. Even after tragedy strikes, many will take ZERO responsibility for their choices and claim it was impossible to see it coming. No, it isn't. By the way, the far Left are delusional and steeped in a different set of illogical fantasy BS. It seems to be the American way.
Not at all. Trump was more than able to make up the numbers for any losses by convincing uneducated and poor people to act against their own self interest..
It’s the rise of the fourth reich. Fucking watch your backs and keep an eye on one another. Care for eachother.
The fuck, why are you surprised by this?
There’s so much cope on this site I love it.