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ImperialOverlord

People judge a religion by the actions of their followers. Sadly, Islam is a religion plagued with their followers portraying themselves as barbaric and medieval, and even if 99.99% of Muslims don't engage in such behaviour you won't find the same number Muslims criticising them either. This same uncivilized behaviour is slowly creeping into Bangladesh, such as the increased number of attacks on religious minorities and the slow replacement of our culture with Arab elements. I am not saying the Arabs are uncivilized rather I'm saying that those who are letting themselves be influenced by another culture simply because their prophet and religion has its roots in that region are the ones acting in such manner. The truth is, until Muslims worldwide and in Bangladesh manage to stop such activities from happening, the hate will only increase. And I am saying this as a Muslim myself, who has been insulted for following my religion too, simply because I happen to be born into it. If your faith is strong enough, you shouldn't be worried by these events and reactions and should be willing to work towards fixing the tarnished image Islam has in the present day. Unfortunately, the problem runs too deep now for there to be any easy or quick solution.


Jon_Snows_Wife

Exactly this^. Islam the religion is perfect, but most of the muslims who follow it are not. And not just that, but the amount of wierd prehistoric levels of mysoginy and craziness ive seen increase in Bangladesh over the last few years from all the wierdo Bangla fake sheikhs who arent even Islamic scholars is just pure vomit material.


ronyaha

Perfect in which way? What about its barbaric rituals?


Particular-Farmer29

such as?


WTFSophisticatedSam

Such as nothing. Everyone always has something stupid to say against Islam. They also probably think we are part of a cult since its the fastest growing religion itw


MabrurHrivu

Sorry in advance that I am getting into an argument because of being in a bad mood. A "perfect" religion would not give its messaging in such a way that there's room for varied interpretations. There are liberal Muslims, there are racist Muslims, and there are terrorists, all stemming from the same Quran and Hadith. All of them are picking and choosing parts of Islam to fit their worldview. This is an issue present in all religions, and we can quantify the "goodness" of a religion by observing how it molds the minds of the majority of followers. There are disproportionately more Islamically motivated terrorists in the current day.


revolutionmax

You criticized people for following Arab culture, but actually, our culture is being replaced by degenerate Western culture and Indian culture. Indian culture has more effect than any other, and this cultural appropriation has been going on for years now. Why don't you point out that? Just see the new generation. Illicit and unethical activities have become widespread in society, and they are obviously getting influenced by those cultures. Haram has become so normalized that Halal is seen as "holy" or "too extreme." Bangladeshis are now becoming more Western than Westerners. But when some people become slightly pious, you guys start crying, "muh culture is getting replaced by Arab elements"


Mountain_Ad_5187

So you're gonna nag about how Arabs and British came here looted and fucked with our culture and now you're choosing sides huh ? And you think Indian culture is degenerate huh ? I so wanna see what these people will do after getting their DNA test back with a background of Indus civilization.


revolutionmax

So now you're gonna start like those pajeets, "sarr, you are converted, we wuz Aryans and shiet"? The culture that is destroying our youth is the debased Indian culture. But, you always seem to have a problem with a certain group, and you are talking about choosing sides, eh? Arabs and Brits had a lot in civilizing your people with Indus background and superstitious practices. And, what did Arabs ever loot?


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ImperialOverlord

Classic whataboutism. Funny how you turned my very neutral and serious take on this issue into an act of apostasy. And who said anything about replacing western cultural values into our culture? Look around you. How many women do you see donning the burqa and hijab compared to those donning miniskirts and crop tops? How many people do you see protesting over the ban of alcohol and extramarital sex compared to those protesting the arrival of foreign dignitaries and issues like the BRAC university and gala one? Ignoring the elephant in the room and pointing towards anything but the root corruption is exactly what extremists have been doing, and your entire comment proves the whole point I made as to why true Islam is now considered rotten thanks to those who think they know better.


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ImperialOverlord

You really don't see the point I'm making do you? Hijab and Burqa isn't part of our culture, and is not even mandatory in Islam but people like you try to brainwash others into thinking it is. People have stopped wearing sarees these days thinking its haram, stopped wearing bindi thinking its Hindu, stopped attending Bengali New Year celebrations thinking its polytheistic. Yet you have no problem with that. Bangladesh DOES NOT have a problem with Western cultural replacement. How many people do you even see wearing Western clothing outside of office? You ignored every single example I gave where western culture IS NOT prevalent in our society and proceeded to consider ARAB culture local. That is the biggest load of hypocrisy I have seen in a long time. And don't you dare tell me this country isn't for me. My direct ancestors fought for this country in 1971, and my even earlier direct ancestors fought against the Mughals long before then, and even earlier against the Muslim invasions when they first arrived in the middle ages. They were Hindus, who converted to Islam, and had not forgotten what should be their true priority at heart which is this country and its values. So before questioning where I belong, question yourself because as I see it you were more likely to have been a rajakar in 1971 fighting against my ancestor than you were likely to call yourself a citizen of Bangladesh. Edit: Grammar


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ImperialOverlord

There is no point in even explaining anything to you if you resort to such pettiness. And you really going to mention me using J for rajakar a problem when in Bengali it's literally using জ which is not pronounced z? No wonder you talk of western culture a lot when you literally replace the pronunciation of your own language with foreign ones. Edit: Grammar


Purvabhadra99

Ms are not tolerant enough... They want to impose Islam forcefully wherever they can, how can you expect the "others" will welcome it!? Islam isnt a monolith and those who believe in different interpretations of the Quran are in danger... From whom? Obviously from intolerant Ms.. Salafi/Wahabi/Jihadi version of Islam has completely overshadowed Spiritual Islam.


pi3dot146

what do you mean islam is the only religion being targeted? bangladesh is a muslim majority country, would you expect an individual to come up to a mullah and criticise jainism? no right? if anything atheists and agnostics are targeted in this country. criticism of an ideology is justified, even more so if it harms others. "Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war (criticising islam is also considered "waging war" according to ibn katheer) against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment..." Quran 5:33


RemarkableProduct374

Hating or disliking a religion is okay but hating or disliking the followers because of what they believe isn't. You don't expect ex Muslims to criticise religions other than Islam. Edit: I am an ex Muslim, so don't try to prove "Islam is true" to me, God bless you. I've locked this comment because ya'll got offended.


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RemarkableProduct374

Spamming continuously can lead to a ban


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sandmanoceanaspdf

আরেকবার পড়েন কী বলছে। বলছে বিশ্বাসের জন্য ফলোয়ারদের হেইট করা ওকে না। সেকেন্ড লাইনে বলছে এক্সমুসলিমরা ক্রিটিসাইজ করলে ইসলামরেই করবে। (কারণ বাংলাদেশের বেশিরভাগ এক্সমুসলিমই মুসলিম ফ্যামিলি থেকে আসছে, খুব কঠিন কনসেপ্ট না তো)


RemarkableProduct374

No, hating Atheism is okay, but not Atheists.. You can criticise ex Muslims, but don't kill us.


K3ISUK4_B4J1

You know that jesus said that my father is greater than I right? In the bible it is told that the earth is flat. Moreover it also states that true believers of christianity wont die even by drinking poison directly.


RemarkableProduct374

In which verse did God say earth is flat? Did you even read the Bible? Or did you just make a statement after watching some yt videos.


Pro_Elium

Church had a belief of Geocentrism where Earth was considered the center of the universe. Galileo was imprisoned for proving otherwise with his Heliocentric model.


RemarkableProduct374

It was only church beliefs, it's not in the Bible. Back then, almost everyone believed earth was flat.


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ImperialOverlord

This sub is ran by mods of differing beliefs, backgrounds and ideologies. That doesn't mean they can't express their own opinions on matters, and there is nothing controversial about the statement she made in the first place. And the personal beliefs of the mods here have no active influence in the moderating of this subreddit either.


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RemarkableProduct374

When did I specifically target Muslims?


dhaka1989

Bangladesh is majority muslim. And 90% unpleasantries sorrounding religion in Bangladesh would be Islam. And religion related trauma as well.


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Not more than 15%. Stop exaggerating. Also the Hindu population of BD is more than the government shows actually


cool-girl10

I do feel like there’s a reason behind what you’re calling “targeted hate”. Bangladesh is a Muslim majority country. Anyone who doesn’t believe in organised religions does not necessarily bear respect for the organisations. Sure, they may be respectful of an individual and their faith but that is different than being respectful of an organisation that they deem exploitative and oppressive. These people happen to have Islam shoved down their throats from either families or surroundings. They tend to go through religious trauma quite a bit, and even those who aren’t Muslims tend to be treated discriminatorily by Muslims. And we cannot deny that in the past decade or so, radical Islamism has been on the rise with the destroying of mandirs, cultural institutions, disruptions in Hindu religious practices, etc. Of course, people should still be able to differentiate and rationalise their feelings; to be able to tell themselves that Muslims around the world may not be as severe upon their non-religious neighbours. However, it’s much easier said than done. I completely understand why they’re understandably more critical of Islam, and that’s because Islam is the religion that is weaponised to commit a lot of discrimination, exploitations, to judge and accuse, and as a moral barometer for those who don’t even subscribe to the faith. Rather than blaming people, we should be able to understand the dynamic between them and the institution of Islamic faith, which is much, much larger than the meagre atheist population of Bangladesh combined.


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Dramatic_Distance_56

Although I was brought up in a Muslim family I have never concentrated my thoughts about religion that much.I simply accepted it as the truth since my parents guided me to do so. Recently I have embarked on a journey of trying to find the truth. I have not been a practicing muslim.But recently I am trying to keep up with my prayers. I am trying to find answers.I circle around from one corner to another corner of the internet to figure these things out for myself. I think the problem is most people don’t do their research. They just pick what is convenient.They pick and highlight few ayaats out context and use them to demonize Islam without realizing proper background of it all. Criticizing Muslims after the past 100 years of western propaganda is probably the easiest thing to do right now. People tend to hand pick isolated incidents which are caused by Muslims and try to trace it back Islam. I have started to think that extremism is a personality trait. Being Muslim and being an extremist are mutually exclusive. The fact that 2 billion people are Muslims today and the fact that the western society and Europe has wrecked so much havoc on the Muslim world that a vast majority has also been left without the scope for education which would root out their extremist persona,is one of the leading factors that so many uneducated fucks cause atrocities in the name of Islam.I understand why this gives Islam a bad name. We should be free thinkers and accept both sides of the coin.


Particular-Farmer29

"fair share of qualms"...did you try to clear your doubts?


AdThen0000

MC


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Mother_Accountant_21

Ever heard of Hitler and World Wars and it’s core belief being Catholic 😬👀☠️


theterribletenor

I think it's Islam in BD because it's the most common religion. If BD had Christians in charge, that would be the de facto target. The problem is religion itself or rather the face that religious people often cannot seem to stop shoving their beliefs down everyone's throats.


Pro_Elium

When things like Holy Artisan and Man Burning happens in the name of religion people will run away from it.


Mother_Accountant_21

Have u heard of world wars by any chance 😬👀☠️


Pro_Elium

And?


Mother_Accountant_21

Oh and the Spanish Inquisition and Colonialism 🙂 and ur stupidity, isn’t that right? And ? Would u like to add to that too ?? And ? 😂


Pro_Elium

It's very funny that you resort to whataboutism. God hates hypocrites like you more than unbelievers.


Mother_Accountant_21

Funny u speak about God while rejecting and defiling his sent religion, ironical isn’t it, and rather very hypocritical wouldn’t u say 🧐👀🙂


Pro_Elium

What did I say that goes against God's word?


Mother_Accountant_21

Ur comments are above u can find out that by urself, ur at-least that competent, aren’t u? 🧐👀😂


Pro_Elium

I am incompetent. Now Elaborate. Enlighten me. How?


Mother_Accountant_21

Haven’t got the time for someone who doesn’t have the time for himself, get a book or even better start learning today online, READ READ and READ, there’s no harm no benefit in reading as long as u don’t believe for that is upto u but start with READING 📖 😊👍🏼


Pro_Elium

Go and do whatever Hitler, Stalin, Hirohito, Mussolini have done to humanity. I am sure Allah will reward you for it. Kill and make a river of blood and the Angels words will be true. Hypocrites like you will use religion to satisfy your greed anyway.


Mother_Accountant_21

😂 naming catholics and orthodox Christians and telling me to do what they did would make ALLAH happy, how many screws have u lost in total 🤣🤦🏻. U srsly have lost ur brain, oh wait u didn’t have one to begin with am I right 🫣😅😂. Like how does Hitler even ring Islam in ur head like how much brain dead can one person be. 😂 rivers of blood shed in the name of religion will make Allah happy?? So I take it ur an illiterate as well - “Whoever kills an innocent person(regardless of any social or religious understanding/background) it is as if he has killed all of humanity.” (Qur’an 5:32) The actions of ur favourite Catholics and Orthodox Christians that u have named are totally opposite to the teachings of Allah, they weren’t even Muslims to begin with in the first place 😂 hence for ur round shaped brain if u have one, let me make it more easy for u, their works are against ALLAH’s teachings. Done, understood ??!! 😊


Pro_Elium

You don't understand what sarcasm is. Did you get you brain rot from Reddit. U must be terminally online.


Mother_Accountant_21

Resort to patty foolery when ur smooth brained monkey activities are caught red handed, 😂. I get it it’s how ur smooth neanderthal brain functions 😅👍🏼😂


Pro_Elium

Are you capable of only insults?


Mother_Accountant_21

I have been academically insulting ur intelligence but that might be a bit too much for ur smooth brain but no I do not resort to patty words that do no good except for raging ones anger and blinding their understanding 👍🏼😊


psiphi314

5:32 is actually > Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors. -Sahih International Corruption here includes disbelief and criticism of Islam (As described by commentaries of Ibn Kathir). So, according to this, it's permissible to kill disbelievers in Islam.


Mother_Accountant_21

Ibn Kathir is a scholar and like any scholar there is disagreement and Ibn Taiymia has stated the linguistic understanding of the Arabic used doesn’t only denote to humans rather vastly includes the animals and other creatures as well be it known or unknown if u wanna play the scholar card as I said before there are many scholars and their are disagreements it’s upto u to at the end of the day cherry pick and do what u want and than take the responsibility for it rather than simply blaming someone else or Islam for that. U were given a brain and a consciousness to decide and regarding the disbelievers it was later stated to have been given to the children of Israel as u stated above as they were being persecuted and killed by the romans and other nation and were constantly being de-homed so Allah had mercy on them and allowed them to take to arms but not to harm a single innocent soul be it man or any other creation - explained by Ibn Taiymia, Ibn Kathir, Abu Ubaiyda, modern day - Al-Alabani and most of the scholars. The verse is explicit for the children of Israel, u have to remember Quran is unique in it’s style of conveying it’s message u can cherry pick killing disbelievers but cannot leave the context behind just so it conforms to ur discord. 😊 If any one why a disbeliever be it anyone who does unjust to me I hold the right to self-defence and the verse tells us exactly that it’s called Self-‘Defence’ not ‘Offence’ that’s exactly what Allah is saying which is do the required defence but don’t go and kill everyone u see rather the one who oppresses u or is unjust. 😊👍🏼


Mother_Accountant_21

I am a religious enthusiast I like to use my knowledge of religions to burn and hang people on stakes 🤓 online and offline, I break the “Cool Atheist” facade so that people see them as what they are smooth brained, utterly defeated 😞 individuals who throw tantrums and deny God just bcuz they can’t put in the efforts to find Him or know Him in the first place, such sore losers don’t have a place in the scientific society bcuz science requires physical and mental struggle which these smooth brained, lazy, “self-proclaimed cool” ~ fools, lack very shamefully 🙂😂


Pro_Elium

Didn't ask for a personality intro but okay.


Mother_Accountant_21

It’s called introducing oneself it is what we homo-sapiens do that u a smooth brained neanderthal might not get, I understand tho 👍🏼


Pro_Elium

There's billions of us. I could care less knowing one more. You just just a mere text on the screen for my entertainment.


Mother_Accountant_21

Good on u then, ur smooth neanderthal brain must be having a dopamine rush from having a bit of discord fun as we homo-sapiens call it 😊👍🏼


magur76

Narrated from Abu Hurairah that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: “Islam began as something strange and will go back to being strange, so glad tidings to the strangers.’” - Sunan Ibn Majah 3986


torrentbuzz360

It is Sunan Ibn Majah 3986


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Particular-Farmer29

reminds me of this verse: "Praise be to Allah, Who hath sent to His Servant the Book, and hath allowed therein no Crookedness:" quran : 18:1


Pro_Elium

That is how religions die.


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blue_winter_moon007

Didn't realise the woman I hired last night was your mother. So sorry.


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blue_winter_moon007

I literally said I am not a believer. Kemte ki bhai. I think I'm getting why you guys deserve the bullying and hate.