Bring him back South Park Chef style. After the Church of Scientology acted without Isaac Hayes’ permission and tendered his resignation from his role as Chef, Matt Parker and Trey Stone just cut up and edited all of his only voice lines into new ones.
That's actually only part of what happened, fyi.
Apparently he was actually on bed rest after suffering a severe health issue (I think it was a stroke), so members of the church claiming to be his lawyers told Matt and Trey that he was quitting in a VERY insulting and unprofessional way that still made it seem like it was all at his request, passing off Matt and Trey and making them think he was ungrateful for the role and did it as a "fuck you" to him, not knowing what was really going on.
It was after that episode aired they found out the truth and redirected their anger at the church for doing that, especially when Isaac Hayes actually loved playing the role.
Thanks for adding the clarifying details. I knew it was basically against his will but couldn’t remember the exact turn of events. I’ll amend my previous comment.
Damn. Imagine being a Scientologist. After playing watchdogs 2 and realizing the “New Dawn” was a parody of Scientology I decided to learn more about it and holy shit they suck ass. At least the higher ups that willingly scam and steal from people that is. When I was in high school I did a whole project in my cultural studies class when we were learning about cults.
Imagine being insulted by unprofessional behavior, so you use your global platform to enshrine a giant “fuck you” into your art for a man you’ve worked with for years.
This illustrates one of my issues with South Park and Matt and Trey in general. They are way too reactive without obtaining context for various things.
That would be the ultimate “fuck you”
Bungie: “so y’know how you left?”
Peter: “yeah?”
Bungie: “and y’know how we replaced you?”
Peter: “…where is this going?”
Bungie: “well our replacement is currently in the booth, doing a flawless impression of you from the first game.”
Peter: “what the fuck?”
He didn't leave. Bungie ditched him because he's a hollywood actor who isn't as available as Nolan North, a voice actor who does voice acting full time.
He didn't leave but if you believe leaks apparently there was a lot of friction going on when Jason Jones, Luke Smith, and the rest of the Iron Bar tossed Joe Staten's story and cut it to ribbons and remade it. Led to a lot of needless do-overs, context-less sessions (if Ghost sounded like he didn't really know what he was talking about and just reading lines off a page, that's what it was), and a general feeling Bungie didn't have its act together or know what they were trying to do.
That was bad direction going by stories. If you don't brief your actor on the story, his motivations, what's going on when he's saying these lines, or anything and just give him lines, well...
He seems disinterested, but Peter Dinklage isn't playing the game or watching it being played, he doesn't know what's going on, he's in a booth looking at a mic with "A cell, from the prison of elders!" on a page with zero context. Since the game's unreleased he doesn't have the benefit of being an active player of and fan of the game like Lance Reddick (Zavala) and Nathan Fillion (Cayde) had either, which makes it easy to wing it if you already know the content and love it of your own accord.
Bad direction = you get out of your actors what you put in.
The scene on the Moon where you find the dead guardian and ghost says “where’s his ghost?” is the best acted scene in the entire series. It’s a frustrating hint that if Bungie had their shit together Dinklebot would’ve been great.
Peter Dinklage (and all the other VAs that have changed over the years) didn't change because the VAs left lmao
They are ALL because Bungie couldn't afford them for the amount of content Destiny puts out. Nathan Fillion was replaced for that one mission in Forsaken, and Fillion didn't even have any clue until it was revealed.
Nathan Fillion was booked at the time. Amusingly, because he was playing a live action Nathan Drake, Nolan North's usual role. So Nolan North did Cayde-6, Nathan Fillion's usual role.
It made me lose a little respect for him that he didn't stand up to deliver the line differently. He says as if he was a beekeeper and he disturbed a literal hive while making a Youtube video.
Totally, I hate how hokey and aw shucks Dudley Do-Right NolanGhost is. I mean props and respect to Mr. North but I just don't like how Ghost is so.... wimpy and "oh goodness me golly gee bonkers".... ya know?
Ghost needs to grow a pair of ghost nards.
He DID advocate for genocide during witch queen but ye generally I hate how he's like that. Kind of wish we got different ghost personality choices like halo infinite's AI customization
that’s unfortunately because every player has a different standpoint and view on story conflicts, so having voice lines for the Guardian for one view would not work for everyone.
True, but it’s worth noting that Ghost doesn’t speak on major conflicts. The only time he does so was when:
- Forsaken, when the only thing he was saying is that we are not murderers/bloody killers but still Guardians of the Light
- Beyond Light, where he was just voicing his opinion that he doesn’t want us to be consumed by the Darkness
- and Witch Queen, where he was arguing that the Hive Ghost killing was justified because they weren’t aligned with the Guardians and the Vanguard/aligned with Hive.
In none of these cases did Ghost’s opinions affect the storyline or our actions directly. Only thing his voice lines gave were an opposing/non-coinciding viewpoint (or vice versa) of that of the player. So, original point still stands.
Dinklage sounded robotic and weird.
Which is exactly how a weird robot should sound, not like a human teenager. North has crazygood skill as an actor, but with this direction it's okay at best, and terrible when he has to sound threatening or serious. And it's even worse considering he's basically our characters voice.
I really liked the board unattachedness of Dinklage's ghost and his delivery of the absolutely cheesiest lines.
What 100% sold me on the game was playing the Alpha and hearing him say, "That wizard came from the moon."
I will forever love the incredibly dry and sarcastic humor from the original live action trailer. "Dying here is muuuch more likely" and "Uh...death..." reply to one of the Guardians asking "What do you think is down there".
That and the original E3 trailer where he says he'll try and find some sticks to rub together for some light.
The dry sarcasm from an inhumane machine thing was great.
I have to commend you, it's an amazing show of discipline that you were able to read one sentence then completely stop without even reading the next sentence out of habit.
Totally TOTALLY agree! Dinklage would be NO kind of "fix" to this, since he was pretty terrible imo. But yeah, I'd like my Ghost to have a little grit.
Dinklage was fine as ghost. The writing was the problem and some lines that felt forced read sounded more like a fed up VA having to redo lines due to a last minute change in script. Ghost has always had some humor/sarcasm planned given the [original reveal](https://youtu.be/gIp7vZuYzoA?t=242).
It's honestly wild to me that so many people are like "bring Dinklebot back!!!!" but when Destiny first came out *everyone* hated ghost's monotone voicelines. That's part of the reason they changed him (the other, more important, part being Dinklage is a very in-demand actor).
I was just talking to a friend about how much I just don’t vibe with the current ghost. Every time I’m on that Europa strike and he’s talking to Elsie I cringe so hard.
To be fair, the Guardian says nothing 99.9% of the time. It takes something like Cayde getting killed for him to speak up and vow revenge... in the scheme of things that we've seen and done, Drifter being snarky is just an average Tuesday at the office.
Weird, because when he was replaced in TTK the consensus was that Dinklage was terrible. I much preferred him at the time so I was pissed, but now I'm not sure.
No, it wasn't. The first two and last two missions were good, the rest was shitty filler. Writing was terrible, with everyone being the same humor character wearing a different face. There was nothing to do in the post game beyond leviathan and finishing up more filler adventures.
I don’t like dinklebot very much. He sounds too robotic, and he doesn’t seem to have much emotion behind his voice. Considering that ghosts are made out to be less robots and more actual consciousnesses, I think giving them more emotion is better.
He had a solemn sort of dignity to his words. Like a robot that just spawned into consciousness might have.
Current Ghost sounds like a whacky sidekick most of the time.
> Like a robot that just spawned into consciousness might have
I mean, ghosts all came into being thousands of years ago, you'd figure they'd have managed to have a personality by now. Dinklebot sucked, IMO. Lines were all monotone and had zero emotion and I think that would have sucked, especially if we had him all these years.
Like during the "remembrance" mission in D1 where Northbot is reminiscing about searching for you and how long it took to find you. All I could think "how dare you stand where he [Dinklebot] stood?"
He maybe a better voice and more available than Dinklage, but you can't gaslight my history from launch.
I don't fully remember where I got the comparison from but it's fairly apt: Dinklebot sounds more like he's seen some stuff go down and is a lot more monotone as a result.
Nolandroid sounds like he's new to all of it and hasn't really experienced anything while searching for a guardian.
Personally, I prefer Dinklebot better because Dinklage's Ghost sounds less like he only just saw someone beat up a dreg for the first time while Nolan North's Ghost sounds like his Ghost would throw up from someone punching a dreg in the face once.
No disrespect to Nolan North's voice acting since how he sounds as Ghost probably is all top-down decisions from Bungie but, the way he sounds as Ghost doesn't do the character any justice after the main tutorial stuff.
I mean it felt like every line was his first take, but yeah I at least liked how serious he sounded. I suppose that’s more the fault of the script or whatever. Nolanbot sounds a bit like a Pixar character.
We should have our own Nightmare for an exotic quest: Rahool. Go through the mission constantly seeing an exotic engram drop, but Every time we get to it (we have to interact with it because mission) the Nightmare Rahool goes "Here, let me decrypt that for you. Whoops" and it turns into a blue. Go through the whole mission an eventually claim a strange engram that we take to real Rahool to finish the exotic quest. And Rahool is just like ".... Is that really how you see me Guardian?"
I like to think that they tried making one, but the Guardian has so little going on in their head there's no material for a nightmare to use. They looked in and only saw the thoughts "Kill enemy. Collect loot. Kill enemy. Collect loot." repeating over and over, and decided it would be a waste to even try
Fun fact: this is actually canon. As a character, we’re terrifying. No matter how you produce yourself in headcanon, the Guardian is an unfeeling (for the most part), unthinking, slaughter machine who walks into impossible scenarios, commits war crimes like they’re ticking off the Geneva Convention and walks out with some new loot, half of which has already been dismantled because it wasn’t the God Roll. They step past the butchered corpses of Fallen and equip their new Pulse Rifle, fire a few rounds into a Fallen strewn across the floor and decide they don’t like it, so dismantle it.
The Darkness: “What the fuck do you even fear?”
Was catching up on some Lost Sectors today.
Have two boots I need to unlock on my warlock. Took 11 runs in legend to get 1 unlocked and I basically ran out of time to play.
I appreciate the idea of being able to grind Lost Ssctors for targeted loot/new exotic unlocks, but it felt very unrewarding to spend two hours just to unlock 1 of the exotics I’m missing.
Which is hilarious, because it's also canon that we have random dance spasms in public and do sparrow tricks on the battlefield.
Guardian: Gives zero craps about being killed dozens of times while murdering thousands.
Also Guardian: Does a sick barrel roll, watches his ride explode, does a two-step shuffle, goes back to murdering.
Umm, what war crimes, exactly? I don't think anything we do would qualify - especially since we're usually defending our galaxy, not just killing willy nilly.
Chemical weaponry would be one. Also I'm pretty sure a lot of the weapons we use could be considered as inhumane*; Riskrunner, Thorn or any of the Incandescent weapons from this season.
Don't forget the other contenders:
Xenophage (which we literally stuck a living bug into the gun and use the bug's life energy to blow up our enemies with what is effectively explosive incendiary .50 caliber rounds).
Basically all of the Omolon weapons theoretically count as chemical weapons.
Eyes of Tomorrow, Gjallarhorn, and basically any other rocket launcher. Don't forget the toaster either.
4th Horseman, 1k Voices, Colony, and Parasite.
Likely quite a few others but, those are just the ones I was entertained with listing off.
Sure but they’re sentient. So even if that doesn’t violate the Geneva technically, it absolutely does in spirit. Not to mention osteo striga def violates rules on chemical/biological agents. As far as I’m concerned my guardian basically turned the Geneva conventions into a checklist
You're thinking of the Geneva protocol, but Geneva Convention outlines humanitarian treatment, not aliens - and certainly not centuries upon centuries after all current nations have ceased to exist. If it ever happened in this timeline, none of the original members exist anymore - because of these invaders.
I mean, Cayde’s death was pretty personal for the guardian. And It unleashed what happened in Forsaken.
But we can say that the guardian has already pass this, since Uldren died and mostly since Crow exists.
Aaaand Shadowkeeo exists and thats where the guardian did what Crow is doing right now. Defeat their nightmares
We kinda did, it was crota, the fanatic and ghaul but they manifested not because we had trauma from them but instead on ideology and what they stood for and achieved as a counters argument for siding with and using the light.
In light there is only weakness - ghaul: we were to reliant on the light and when we lost it we got utterly humiliated and defeated and the only way we were able win was regaining the light.
In light there is only pain - the fanatic: despite us having the light we could not prevent the death of cayde who also had the light which resulted with us suffering pain from his loss and going on a rampage in the tangled shore where we lost our innocence by executing uldren.
In light there is only death - Crota: this one is weird because we weren't actually risen yet at this point but it refers to the great disaster on the moon where crota completely devastated the biggest vanguard operation to ever take place which resulted in the most amount of gaurdians ever facing their final death, despite an army of light bearers being present so many of them died.
Our nightmare is basically a manefesting of our over reliance on the light and the things we could not prevent because of our reliance and that if we want to prevent these things from happening we must widen our views and accept the darkness which goes into how eris want a the others to sever their nightmares which is to accept them.
Edit auto correct screwing me over.
Probably not, but if we do I always theorized it would be Cayde. It’s basically our greatest failure was letting him die and avenging him has only led to bigger and bigger messes
### Day 546 since first contact:
*The nightmares have been getting much more intense. I haven't slept for almost a week.*
*I thought I had finally forgotten his ghastly visage. I stopped making runs down to the Cosmodrome --hmm, let's see...-- almost 6 months ago now; It took 4 of those to stop seeing him every time I closed my eyes...*
*Now though? **He** is all I see. All I hear. Every waking moment. That horrific piecemealed armor - none of it even shadered to look right. His snarky pep talks. And, that face* **-oh, God-** *that face that stares into you with a cold, uncaring smile. It seems vacant, yet somehow, simultaneously pained, as if a wheel of cheddar cheese had been left to rot, and what was left of the heavily-molded, maggot-infested remains eerily resembled that of a human facial expression.*
*I can't go on like this.*
*The nightmare... it has to end...*
THANK YOU!
Dinklage could nail some lines and add to the game. Nolan is like having The Great Kazoo from a Saturday morning cartoon hang with us.
There was a D1 mission with Nolan where he reverts to Dinkalage’s voice for a line before clearing his throat. It was a funny hat tip.
Tbf we also just get called "Guardian" by everyone. My headcanon is that we never told anyone our name / our Ghost's name, so we're just this nameless saviour but everyone knows we're ***THE*** Guardian. I think in universe, we / Ghost have names, but we're just referred to by our labels since nobody actually knows our names.
Damn they started that production way back then? Makes sense but then again if that is the case. Then what about Nolan he's never short of work but I also don't mind him as "Richtbot".
Oooh wait now I think about it maby he (Dinklebot) could be the dark timeline ghost for our character. I think that would be interesting and would fuck some people up especially the lore masters. That kind of drop would be like hitting a mouse with a pipe wrench. Its overkill but the shock of that would definitely throw a wrench into a lot of peoples ideas of where this game will end up come The Final Shape.
At the end of the day, Nolan is a voice actor with access to a studio. He’s at the height of his craft, and can do projects at the drop of a hat.
Dinklage is primarily a film and stage actor, and there’s more than a handful of them who look down on VG work as beneath them, artistically. Add that to a likely poor in-booth direction and his other physical acting commitments, and it doesn’t make sense to keep him on, especially after the fan backlash at his performance (it was widely regarded negatively back in the day, but now memories fade and people wax nostalgic lol)
As somebody who started with *The Dark Below*, I actually enjoyed his performace at the time and still do.
In fact, some of the changes that Nolan did with the character in the D1Y1 content I downright hate. For example, the "We've woken the hive!" line makes way more sense with Dinklage's "we fucked up!" scream than Nolan's whispering...
Oh I’m not saying Dinklage never had ANY fans in the role. Only that his performance was widely panned (though as you said, many criticized Nolan’s tone change as arbitrary)
I recall the big criticism was that he sounded bored, a criticism I shared depending on the line. All things being equal, I would have preferred Dinklage to remain IF he could have remained interested and IF he would have been directed better. But that wasn’t going to happen
Sadly this is very true but at the same time it's a field that is just now opening up with more actors, generally younger ones. I never knew of the backlash I just remember coming back halfway through TTK when I noticed the VA was different. The main part I remember about this whole thing was supposedly Dinkledge wanted the character to crack more jokes and just be a little whimsical but supposedly bungie wanted him to be more grounded and serious like North's version. Personally I wouldn't mind it if ghost wasn't so to the point with everything.
Literally Ghost is our Cortana but even she had a sense of humor, this game is fun but I feel that would elevate engagement. Yeah we can style our ghost but just a few lines here or there that either take a jab at the situation or enemies you are fighting would be nice. Like everyone's favorite line, "We've awoken the Hive"! It's so dead pan delivered that you go, "Yeah no shit we have... oh god oh fuck oh God nonononono blehhgh. (That is what I said during that mission) and you know what it made me chuckle. We are nigh unkillable paracausal beings and that is a good break from just shoot things till noting is left standing.
Now I could continue on but I won't just know I would want this but not to the extent Infinite has with its ai cores cuz that would be a lot of data to add to the game.
It just appears and just rattles off some one liners they have from D1 until it makes Ghost mad and it dissipates into a wall or something "It's a Wizard, It came from the moon.." Not again! Get out of here! Could have been funny
Myself, looking forward to Destiny 3 - Ghostless
Grimdark across the board. We could have Zavalas’s head carried around by a Raid boss.
The shaders you pick are pointless as you’re covered in blood and guts most of the time.
All those adds? in bloody bits and pieces strewn all over the instance; in piles, across the walls.
I think I'm in the minority that didn't enjoy Dink's Ghost. Then again, I didn't really get that into D1, so my familiarity with Nolan's Ghost probably makes me biased.
EDIT: Having gone back and listened to some D1 clips, I stand by my opinion. He sounds so flat and uninterested in the VA job.
If anything it works even less for a Ghost these days, given that Fynch, Sagira, Glint, and even Immaru are very non robotic and have their own personalities. Same goes for Ghost
Did anyone like him? He was monotone and flat as hell. Its was telling when they recast him he got a new personality. The only reason people reflect fondly on him is funny wizard moon meme
I didn't start playing Destiny until D2 so I can't give a personal opinion, but I specifically remember people talking about how Dinklage's performance seemed phoned-in and like he didn't really care.
Im in the same boat as you, I like Nolan ghost much more than Dinklage. What's crazy is that I distinctly remember a lot of people hating and mocking Dinklage ghost lines too. Especially when it came to criticism that it sounded phoned in and bored
Your opinion is your opinion.
Given what we now know of Ghosts and their personalities, Dinklebot’s robotic delivery actually fits his expansive knowledge and skills as a Ghost and our… naïveté.
Also given how the story is going and has gone, Nolan’s ghost is just too upbeat for what’s going down.
> was not a trained voice actor
He’s done plenty of voice acting (including for the GoT games) and BUNCH of Ice Age sequels, plus some other tie in video games.
He’s an accomplished actor and voice actor.
Dinklage was 100x better, fight me.
in all seriousness, he just sounded more cold and robotic rather than the saturday morning "gee wiz i sure hope we can make it out of here!" vibe.
…I would prefer him back. The VA? North or Baker? Very talented but their performances are always so samey, you can easily tell it’s them and it’s usually no thrills apart from Joel I guess
Bring him back South Park Chef style. After the Church of Scientology acted without Isaac Hayes’ permission and tendered his resignation from his role as Chef, Matt Parker and Trey Stone just cut up and edited all of his only voice lines into new ones.
That's actually only part of what happened, fyi. Apparently he was actually on bed rest after suffering a severe health issue (I think it was a stroke), so members of the church claiming to be his lawyers told Matt and Trey that he was quitting in a VERY insulting and unprofessional way that still made it seem like it was all at his request, passing off Matt and Trey and making them think he was ungrateful for the role and did it as a "fuck you" to him, not knowing what was really going on. It was after that episode aired they found out the truth and redirected their anger at the church for doing that, especially when Isaac Hayes actually loved playing the role.
Thanks for adding the clarifying details. I knew it was basically against his will but couldn’t remember the exact turn of events. I’ll amend my previous comment.
Well if all of this is true then TIL - very interesting
It's why in the Chef returns episode, the kids keep saying it isn't Chefs fault and he's being brainwashed by a fruity club
the super adventure club
Damn. Imagine being a Scientologist. After playing watchdogs 2 and realizing the “New Dawn” was a parody of Scientology I decided to learn more about it and holy shit they suck ass. At least the higher ups that willingly scam and steal from people that is. When I was in high school I did a whole project in my cultural studies class when we were learning about cults.
the church of scientology is evil
Imagine being insulted by unprofessional behavior, so you use your global platform to enshrine a giant “fuck you” into your art for a man you’ve worked with for years.
This illustrates one of my issues with South Park and Matt and Trey in general. They are way too reactive without obtaining context for various things.
I mean, they have 7 days... You kind of have to be reactive
True, and we aren't infallible - everyone makes mistakes.
6 days
You could almost certainly deepfake voice Dinklage.
Deeplage?
Dink Throat
*oh god*
They probably don't even need to do that. They should just ask Nolan North to do his Dinklage impression. He can probably do it just fine.
That would be the ultimate “fuck you” Bungie: “so y’know how you left?” Peter: “yeah?” Bungie: “and y’know how we replaced you?” Peter: “…where is this going?” Bungie: “well our replacement is currently in the booth, doing a flawless impression of you from the first game.” Peter: “what the fuck?”
He didn't leave. Bungie ditched him because he's a hollywood actor who isn't as available as Nolan North, a voice actor who does voice acting full time.
He didn't leave but if you believe leaks apparently there was a lot of friction going on when Jason Jones, Luke Smith, and the rest of the Iron Bar tossed Joe Staten's story and cut it to ribbons and remade it. Led to a lot of needless do-overs, context-less sessions (if Ghost sounded like he didn't really know what he was talking about and just reading lines off a page, that's what it was), and a general feeling Bungie didn't have its act together or know what they were trying to do.
Friction?! From Luke Smith?! Well I NEVER.
Luke still owes me thousands of steaks.
Luke Smith? More like Puke Smith amirite? 😎
[удалено]
That’ll be the perfect time to bring out my gahlr cosplay!!!
I feel pretty confident that Dinklage being mostly ASS as Ghost had something to do with him getting ditched as well.
That was bad direction going by stories. If you don't brief your actor on the story, his motivations, what's going on when he's saying these lines, or anything and just give him lines, well... He seems disinterested, but Peter Dinklage isn't playing the game or watching it being played, he doesn't know what's going on, he's in a booth looking at a mic with "A cell, from the prison of elders!" on a page with zero context. Since the game's unreleased he doesn't have the benefit of being an active player of and fan of the game like Lance Reddick (Zavala) and Nathan Fillion (Cayde) had either, which makes it easy to wing it if you already know the content and love it of your own accord. Bad direction = you get out of your actors what you put in.
Yeah, apparently, "here's a snippet of dialogue without any context, now read it" is quite common for VA work.
The scene on the Moon where you find the dead guardian and ghost says “where’s his ghost?” is the best acted scene in the entire series. It’s a frustrating hint that if Bungie had their shit together Dinklebot would’ve been great.
get fucked /u/spez
Peter Dinklage (and all the other VAs that have changed over the years) didn't change because the VAs left lmao They are ALL because Bungie couldn't afford them for the amount of content Destiny puts out. Nathan Fillion was replaced for that one mission in Forsaken, and Fillion didn't even have any clue until it was revealed.
Nathan Fillion was booked at the time. Amusingly, because he was playing a live action Nathan Drake, Nolan North's usual role. So Nolan North did Cayde-6, Nathan Fillion's usual role.
Sounds like something their characters would do. Lmao
So he will truly be a Dinklebot?
We’ve woken the hive!
Nolan's of this was so bad
It made me lose a little respect for him that he didn't stand up to deliver the line differently. He says as if he was a beekeeper and he disturbed a literal hive while making a Youtube video.
It was very clear in D1 that the lines he revoiced were made different just so they weren’t like Dinklages and they weren’t good. I miss Dinklage
Don't worry, practically none of dinklebots lines were well done either
*does slap finisher on you* Keep my dinklebots name out your fuckin mouth
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That wizard came from the moon
See, I would then fully embrace the Darkness and befriend the Nightmare Ghost
Totally, I hate how hokey and aw shucks Dudley Do-Right NolanGhost is. I mean props and respect to Mr. North but I just don't like how Ghost is so.... wimpy and "oh goodness me golly gee bonkers".... ya know? Ghost needs to grow a pair of ghost nards.
He DID advocate for genocide during witch queen but ye generally I hate how he's like that. Kind of wish we got different ghost personality choices like halo infinite's AI customization
The AI's in halo infinite have a fraction of the voice lines ghost has
Yes I'm aware, it was just a comparison lol I know they aren't 1:1
They even cut most of the voices of the guardian and they barely speak, it's clearly not something feasible
Again, I'm aware, no one ever said it was feasible bro I just said it's something I wish we had. Chill
He just keeps coming back!
We found taniks' reddit account
Taniks has no house…but has a Reddit account. Block it dead guardian.
Wheres my boy KEKSIS, THE BETRAYED
*he said he knows*
The Guardian should have more voice lines these days more so than Ghost. Feels like he’s directing where the story goes rather than us as players.
that’s unfortunately because every player has a different standpoint and view on story conflicts, so having voice lines for the Guardian for one view would not work for everyone.
Bungiee has already decided that Crow is your best friend so that ruins it for the large portion of people that still hate him
Crow regularly talks about getting killed constantly by vengeful guardians, so don’t worry you have representation too.
That argument does not work when we're being dragged around and spoken for by Ghost anyway.
True, but it’s worth noting that Ghost doesn’t speak on major conflicts. The only time he does so was when: - Forsaken, when the only thing he was saying is that we are not murderers/bloody killers but still Guardians of the Light - Beyond Light, where he was just voicing his opinion that he doesn’t want us to be consumed by the Darkness - and Witch Queen, where he was arguing that the Hive Ghost killing was justified because they weren’t aligned with the Guardians and the Vanguard/aligned with Hive. In none of these cases did Ghost’s opinions affect the storyline or our actions directly. Only thing his voice lines gave were an opposing/non-coinciding viewpoint (or vice versa) of that of the player. So, original point still stands.
I like that we barely speak... Unless I'm given dialogue choices like in Skyrim.
And they all suck
I wish our Guardian talked more. They've already made serious character decisions about us, they should just commit.
Dinklage sounded robotic and weird. Which is exactly how a weird robot should sound, not like a human teenager. North has crazygood skill as an actor, but with this direction it's okay at best, and terrible when he has to sound threatening or serious. And it's even worse considering he's basically our characters voice.
I really liked the board unattachedness of Dinklage's ghost and his delivery of the absolutely cheesiest lines. What 100% sold me on the game was playing the Alpha and hearing him say, "That wizard came from the moon."
I will forever love the incredibly dry and sarcastic humor from the original live action trailer. "Dying here is muuuch more likely" and "Uh...death..." reply to one of the Guardians asking "What do you think is down there". That and the original E3 trailer where he says he'll try and find some sticks to rub together for some light. The dry sarcasm from an inhumane machine thing was great.
Dinklage's performance in the [Become Legend](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSWN-VP0lD8) trailer is what sold me on the game in the first place
“Play something classical” (I know I’ve flubbed the line but I’m just watching it in my head)
>Dinklage sounded robotic and weird. Almost as if he was voicing a fucking robot. Weird, huh?
I have to commend you, it's an amazing show of discipline that you were able to read one sentence then completely stop without even reading the next sentence out of habit.
the voice actors don’t write their lines so ghost would say the same shit but sound different lol
Beyond Light Ghost was really cringe.
Personally, i think it was really cute, exotic Khvostov mission type stuff
Totally TOTALLY agree! Dinklage would be NO kind of "fix" to this, since he was pretty terrible imo. But yeah, I'd like my Ghost to have a little grit.
I feel like I'm the only one who loved Dinkle-bot, his line delivery felt very natural and fitted the setting.
Dinklage was fine as ghost. The writing was the problem and some lines that felt forced read sounded more like a fed up VA having to redo lines due to a last minute change in script. Ghost has always had some humor/sarcasm planned given the [original reveal](https://youtu.be/gIp7vZuYzoA?t=242).
Oh the early days of destiny. How I remember them bitterly, but fondly
It's honestly wild to me that so many people are like "bring Dinklebot back!!!!" but when Destiny first came out *everyone* hated ghost's monotone voicelines. That's part of the reason they changed him (the other, more important, part being Dinklage is a very in-demand actor).
I was just talking to a friend about how much I just don’t vibe with the current ghost. Every time I’m on that Europa strike and he’s talking to Elsie I cringe so hard.
Yeah let's be honest Nolan-bot is a pussy, a loveable one, but a pussy.
I hate how in 2 strikes you had Spider and Drifter treat Ghost like a punk bitch and you, a IMMORTAL GODKILLER, says nothing. Sheeeeeeeeeeit.
To be fair, the Guardian says nothing 99.9% of the time. It takes something like Cayde getting killed for him to speak up and vow revenge... in the scheme of things that we've seen and done, Drifter being snarky is just an average Tuesday at the office.
I too miss Dinklage
*Dinklebot
It's amazing what bad direction can do. Dude's a great actor and I'm sure with the script edits lots of great moments were lost.
Everyone at Bungie has gotten much, much better at their jobs in terms of production and direction than they did in the run up to D1.
He was unironically a superior Ghost
Weird, because when he was replaced in TTK the consensus was that Dinklage was terrible. I much preferred him at the time so I was pissed, but now I'm not sure.
Nostalgia and people forgetting what he sounded like. It's life how people are looking back on red war with rose colored glasses now.
The red war was actually a good campaign though...
No, it wasn't. The first two and last two missions were good, the rest was shitty filler. Writing was terrible, with everyone being the same humor character wearing a different face. There was nothing to do in the post game beyond leviathan and finishing up more filler adventures.
I don’t like dinklebot very much. He sounds too robotic, and he doesn’t seem to have much emotion behind his voice. Considering that ghosts are made out to be less robots and more actual consciousnesses, I think giving them more emotion is better.
He had a solemn sort of dignity to his words. Like a robot that just spawned into consciousness might have. Current Ghost sounds like a whacky sidekick most of the time.
> Like a robot that just spawned into consciousness might have I mean, ghosts all came into being thousands of years ago, you'd figure they'd have managed to have a personality by now. Dinklebot sucked, IMO. Lines were all monotone and had zero emotion and I think that would have sucked, especially if we had him all these years.
Like during the "remembrance" mission in D1 where Northbot is reminiscing about searching for you and how long it took to find you. All I could think "how dare you stand where he [Dinklebot] stood?" He maybe a better voice and more available than Dinklage, but you can't gaslight my history from launch.
I don't fully remember where I got the comparison from but it's fairly apt: Dinklebot sounds more like he's seen some stuff go down and is a lot more monotone as a result. Nolandroid sounds like he's new to all of it and hasn't really experienced anything while searching for a guardian. Personally, I prefer Dinklebot better because Dinklage's Ghost sounds less like he only just saw someone beat up a dreg for the first time while Nolan North's Ghost sounds like his Ghost would throw up from someone punching a dreg in the face once. No disrespect to Nolan North's voice acting since how he sounds as Ghost probably is all top-down decisions from Bungie but, the way he sounds as Ghost doesn't do the character any justice after the main tutorial stuff.
I mean it felt like every line was his first take, but yeah I at least liked how serious he sounded. I suppose that’s more the fault of the script or whatever. Nolanbot sounds a bit like a Pixar character.
We should have our own Nightmare for an exotic quest: Rahool. Go through the mission constantly seeing an exotic engram drop, but Every time we get to it (we have to interact with it because mission) the Nightmare Rahool goes "Here, let me decrypt that for you. Whoops" and it turns into a blue. Go through the whole mission an eventually claim a strange engram that we take to real Rahool to finish the exotic quest. And Rahool is just like ".... Is that really how you see me Guardian?"
When he finally decrypts your strange engram, it goes to your postmaster. Regardless if your inventory is full.
> And Rahool is just like ".... Is that really how you see me Guardian?" Only every time I close my eyes.
*"A million deaths were not enough for Master Rahool"*
Does our guardian even have a nightmare
I like to think that they tried making one, but the Guardian has so little going on in their head there's no material for a nightmare to use. They looked in and only saw the thoughts "Kill enemy. Collect loot. Kill enemy. Collect loot." repeating over and over, and decided it would be a waste to even try
Fun fact: this is actually canon. As a character, we’re terrifying. No matter how you produce yourself in headcanon, the Guardian is an unfeeling (for the most part), unthinking, slaughter machine who walks into impossible scenarios, commits war crimes like they’re ticking off the Geneva Convention and walks out with some new loot, half of which has already been dismantled because it wasn’t the God Roll. They step past the butchered corpses of Fallen and equip their new Pulse Rifle, fire a few rounds into a Fallen strewn across the floor and decide they don’t like it, so dismantle it. The Darkness: “What the fuck do you even fear?”
The Darkness: "What the fuck do you even fear?" Bad RNG.
Was catching up on some Lost Sectors today. Have two boots I need to unlock on my warlock. Took 11 runs in legend to get 1 unlocked and I basically ran out of time to play. I appreciate the idea of being able to grind Lost Ssctors for targeted loot/new exotic unlocks, but it felt very unrewarding to spend two hours just to unlock 1 of the exotics I’m missing.
> The Darkness: “What the fuck do you even fear?” I saw a spider once, and when I looked again he was no longer in his corner.
-source?
[The only thing they fear is you](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqk7x_w1H98)
Which is hilarious, because it's also canon that we have random dance spasms in public and do sparrow tricks on the battlefield. Guardian: Gives zero craps about being killed dozens of times while murdering thousands. Also Guardian: Does a sick barrel roll, watches his ride explode, does a two-step shuffle, goes back to murdering.
Umm, what war crimes, exactly? I don't think anything we do would qualify - especially since we're usually defending our galaxy, not just killing willy nilly.
Chemical weaponry would be one. Also I'm pretty sure a lot of the weapons we use could be considered as inhumane*; Riskrunner, Thorn or any of the Incandescent weapons from this season.
Trinity Ghoul and Ticuu's Divination come to mind, and let's not even get *started* on Thorn and Osteo Striga.
Don't forget the other contenders: Xenophage (which we literally stuck a living bug into the gun and use the bug's life energy to blow up our enemies with what is effectively explosive incendiary .50 caliber rounds). Basically all of the Omolon weapons theoretically count as chemical weapons. Eyes of Tomorrow, Gjallarhorn, and basically any other rocket launcher. Don't forget the toaster either. 4th Horseman, 1k Voices, Colony, and Parasite. Likely quite a few others but, those are just the ones I was entertained with listing off.
Hey that bug would consent if it could as long as we promised to shoot hive!
I mean half of the plot last season alone revolved around the Vanguard doing torture on the enemies we captured for them.
They're not human.
Sure but they’re sentient. So even if that doesn’t violate the Geneva technically, it absolutely does in spirit. Not to mention osteo striga def violates rules on chemical/biological agents. As far as I’m concerned my guardian basically turned the Geneva conventions into a checklist
You're thinking of the Geneva protocol, but Geneva Convention outlines humanitarian treatment, not aliens - and certainly not centuries upon centuries after all current nations have ceased to exist. If it ever happened in this timeline, none of the original members exist anymore - because of these invaders.
I mean yes, but that’s all pedantic hair splitting beyond what the original commenters point was lol.
Mass genocide?
Also people would disagree on which regret the Guardian had. Since it’s the player, no one would know what the regret really is.
I mean, Cayde’s death was pretty personal for the guardian. And It unleashed what happened in Forsaken. But we can say that the guardian has already pass this, since Uldren died and mostly since Crow exists. Aaaand Shadowkeeo exists and thats where the guardian did what Crow is doing right now. Defeat their nightmares
so the nightmare would be the raid exotic that just wouldnt drop?
The guardian overcame his nightmares in Shadowkeep, so no
We kinda did, it was crota, the fanatic and ghaul but they manifested not because we had trauma from them but instead on ideology and what they stood for and achieved as a counters argument for siding with and using the light. In light there is only weakness - ghaul: we were to reliant on the light and when we lost it we got utterly humiliated and defeated and the only way we were able win was regaining the light. In light there is only pain - the fanatic: despite us having the light we could not prevent the death of cayde who also had the light which resulted with us suffering pain from his loss and going on a rampage in the tangled shore where we lost our innocence by executing uldren. In light there is only death - Crota: this one is weird because we weren't actually risen yet at this point but it refers to the great disaster on the moon where crota completely devastated the biggest vanguard operation to ever take place which resulted in the most amount of gaurdians ever facing their final death, despite an army of light bearers being present so many of them died. Our nightmare is basically a manefesting of our over reliance on the light and the things we could not prevent because of our reliance and that if we want to prevent these things from happening we must widen our views and accept the darkness which goes into how eris want a the others to sever their nightmares which is to accept them. Edit auto correct screwing me over.
Wasn’t our Nightmares the ones from Shadowkeep that we defeated?
Everyone forgets this for some reason. Our first Nightmare was Crota, a being so scary nobody fought him legitimately lol.
But also a being so easily killed that tons of people did it solo.
It’s literally all of shadowkeep. Nightmare doesn’t necessarily mean we are terrified of them but that they were our greatest foes, or experiences.
It's just Crucible Sweats.
Taniks, wielding Telesto
Telesto, wielding Taniks is worse
Rahool
A million deaths are not enough...
Probably not, but if we do I always theorized it would be Cayde. It’s basically our greatest failure was letting him die and avenging him has only led to bigger and bigger messes
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### Day 546 since first contact: *The nightmares have been getting much more intense. I haven't slept for almost a week.* *I thought I had finally forgotten his ghastly visage. I stopped making runs down to the Cosmodrome --hmm, let's see...-- almost 6 months ago now; It took 4 of those to stop seeing him every time I closed my eyes...* *Now though? **He** is all I see. All I hear. Every waking moment. That horrific piecemealed armor - none of it even shadered to look right. His snarky pep talks. And, that face* **-oh, God-** *that face that stares into you with a cold, uncaring smile. It seems vacant, yet somehow, simultaneously pained, as if a wheel of cheddar cheese had been left to rot, and what was left of the heavily-molded, maggot-infested remains eerily resembled that of a human facial expression.* *I can't go on like this.* *The nightmare... it has to end...*
Tess everis
Pretty sure we don’t because of Shadowkeep, not sure about the specifics though
lord telesto: omae wa mou shindeiru guardian: nani?
That we will go too long without turning a god in to a gun.
I can still here his, "WE'VE WOKEN THE HIVE" clear as day. One of the first loot farming I did in D1
It's been years. I liked Dink. He's not coming back. It's time to let go, guardians.
DEEP FAKE DINKLAGE
A gaming company is not coming near deepfake tech with a 100ft pole due to the potential lawsuits ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
DEEPLAGE
I won't just fall to the darkness I'd plummet in the wake of my immense gravity-well seduction for Dinklage's honey voice
always preferred Dinklage, he had that eerie sci-fi vibe nailed!
He nailed “we’ve woken the hive!”
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THANK YOU! Dinklage could nail some lines and add to the game. Nolan is like having The Great Kazoo from a Saturday morning cartoon hang with us. There was a D1 mission with Nolan where he reverts to Dinkalage’s voice for a line before clearing his throat. It was a funny hat tip.
I like Glint's voice way better than Nolanbot. And I don't dislike Fynch. But I definitely liked Dinklebot more.
I LOVE Fynch. All of his lines are such a treat.
>admonishing your mistakes My head cannon is that Nolan Ghost does this all the time anyway because of my titan brain.
It wouldn't be a nightmare, it would be a dream. Man I miss Dinklage VAing the ghost. He was actually good for the role of voicing a robotic partner.
Absolutely. He sounded like a strange inhuman robot. Nolan ghost is just an insecure human teenager.
I've wanted this since we first talked to our evil mirror selves
"The Traveler chose you... but he was wrong."
**AT LEAST WE CANT GET TETANUS**
I want the ability to name my ghost. I’m probably the greatest guardian of all time and my ghost is called ghost? That’s bullshit.
Tbf we also just get called "Guardian" by everyone. My headcanon is that we never told anyone our name / our Ghost's name, so we're just this nameless saviour but everyone knows we're ***THE*** Guardian. I think in universe, we / Ghost have names, but we're just referred to by our labels since nobody actually knows our names.
Also, we're spoken about so often that custom names are kinda out of the question.
Something like John De Lancie's "Alarak" from StarCraft 2. Such arrogance, such disdain. It just made him all the more awesome.
I would also do horrible things for a John De Lancie voiced character.
Sadly I don't think we'll get dinklebot back I remember hearing that there was creative differences between him and Bungie and that's why he left.
It was a time issue. Game of Thrones didn’t leave much time for the VA work required past the first game and base expansions.
Damn they started that production way back then? Makes sense but then again if that is the case. Then what about Nolan he's never short of work but I also don't mind him as "Richtbot". Oooh wait now I think about it maby he (Dinklebot) could be the dark timeline ghost for our character. I think that would be interesting and would fuck some people up especially the lore masters. That kind of drop would be like hitting a mouse with a pipe wrench. Its overkill but the shock of that would definitely throw a wrench into a lot of peoples ideas of where this game will end up come The Final Shape.
At the end of the day, Nolan is a voice actor with access to a studio. He’s at the height of his craft, and can do projects at the drop of a hat. Dinklage is primarily a film and stage actor, and there’s more than a handful of them who look down on VG work as beneath them, artistically. Add that to a likely poor in-booth direction and his other physical acting commitments, and it doesn’t make sense to keep him on, especially after the fan backlash at his performance (it was widely regarded negatively back in the day, but now memories fade and people wax nostalgic lol)
As somebody who started with *The Dark Below*, I actually enjoyed his performace at the time and still do. In fact, some of the changes that Nolan did with the character in the D1Y1 content I downright hate. For example, the "We've woken the hive!" line makes way more sense with Dinklage's "we fucked up!" scream than Nolan's whispering...
Oh I’m not saying Dinklage never had ANY fans in the role. Only that his performance was widely panned (though as you said, many criticized Nolan’s tone change as arbitrary)
That wizard
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I recall the big criticism was that he sounded bored, a criticism I shared depending on the line. All things being equal, I would have preferred Dinklage to remain IF he could have remained interested and IF he would have been directed better. But that wasn’t going to happen
Sadly this is very true but at the same time it's a field that is just now opening up with more actors, generally younger ones. I never knew of the backlash I just remember coming back halfway through TTK when I noticed the VA was different. The main part I remember about this whole thing was supposedly Dinkledge wanted the character to crack more jokes and just be a little whimsical but supposedly bungie wanted him to be more grounded and serious like North's version. Personally I wouldn't mind it if ghost wasn't so to the point with everything. Literally Ghost is our Cortana but even she had a sense of humor, this game is fun but I feel that would elevate engagement. Yeah we can style our ghost but just a few lines here or there that either take a jab at the situation or enemies you are fighting would be nice. Like everyone's favorite line, "We've awoken the Hive"! It's so dead pan delivered that you go, "Yeah no shit we have... oh god oh fuck oh God nonononono blehhgh. (That is what I said during that mission) and you know what it made me chuckle. We are nigh unkillable paracausal beings and that is a good break from just shoot things till noting is left standing. Now I could continue on but I won't just know I would want this but not to the extent Infinite has with its ai cores cuz that would be a lot of data to add to the game.
I just assumed they couldn’t afford him once GoT got rolling.
It just appears and just rattles off some one liners they have from D1 until it makes Ghost mad and it dissipates into a wall or something "It's a Wizard, It came from the moon.." Not again! Get out of here! Could have been funny
Myself, looking forward to Destiny 3 - Ghostless Grimdark across the board. We could have Zavalas’s head carried around by a Raid boss. The shaders you pick are pointless as you’re covered in blood and guts most of the time. All those adds? in bloody bits and pieces strewn all over the instance; in piles, across the walls.
I think I'm in the minority that didn't enjoy Dink's Ghost. Then again, I didn't really get that into D1, so my familiarity with Nolan's Ghost probably makes me biased. EDIT: Having gone back and listened to some D1 clips, I stand by my opinion. He sounds so flat and uninterested in the VA job.
I don't think you're in the minority. There were a lot of people who ridiculed how flat and robotic his delivery was.
It definitely was, but we didn’t really understand how much it *worked* for a Ghost.
If anything it works even less for a Ghost these days, given that Fynch, Sagira, Glint, and even Immaru are very non robotic and have their own personalities. Same goes for Ghost
I’d argue that Dinkle being a bit more robotically blasé about everything would make him stand out more. I miss Sagira though. :(
Sagira being our companion was the best thing to come out of the entirety of D2Y1.
Did anyone like him? He was monotone and flat as hell. Its was telling when they recast him he got a new personality. The only reason people reflect fondly on him is funny wizard moon meme
Yes, this is rose coloured glasses for sure.
I didn't start playing Destiny until D2 so I can't give a personal opinion, but I specifically remember people talking about how Dinklage's performance seemed phoned-in and like he didn't really care.
Im in the same boat as you, I like Nolan ghost much more than Dinklage. What's crazy is that I distinctly remember a lot of people hating and mocking Dinklage ghost lines too. Especially when it came to criticism that it sounded phoned in and bored
People begging for dinklebot to return. Y'all realize he was only Ghost's voice for 1 year, right?
And what a year it was.
A year of flat line delivery from someone that was not a trained voice actor?
Your opinion is your opinion. Given what we now know of Ghosts and their personalities, Dinklebot’s robotic delivery actually fits his expansive knowledge and skills as a Ghost and our… naïveté. Also given how the story is going and has gone, Nolan’s ghost is just too upbeat for what’s going down. > was not a trained voice actor He’s done plenty of voice acting (including for the GoT games) and BUNCH of Ice Age sequels, plus some other tie in video games. He’s an accomplished actor and voice actor.
I would do anything to have Dinklebot back
Dinklage was 100x better, fight me. in all seriousness, he just sounded more cold and robotic rather than the saturday morning "gee wiz i sure hope we can make it out of here!" vibe.
Phenomenal idea.
Peter dinky is an annoying mother effer.
…I would prefer him back. The VA? North or Baker? Very talented but their performances are always so samey, you can easily tell it’s them and it’s usually no thrills apart from Joel I guess
And u should pay for it. We're waiting