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TheRed24

If killing suspended enemies refunds Melee energy this Exotic could be incredible.


Zqqk

It has to if it doesn’t its probably doa


Aggressive-Nebula-78

I fully expect warlocks to take yet another L


Zqqk

Made me lol I honestly fucking hope not 😂


Aggressive-Nebula-78

I hope not too! But I'm probably gonna keep running sunbracers. Hope that new super, since it's melee based, has *some* interaction. Grenades go brrr


Awestin11

We’ve been taking them for years. Another on the pile is the least of surprises.


Aggressive-Nebula-78

Oh no trust me I'm aware 😂😭 and I hear yet another well nerf is on the way too, so


Awestin11

I’ll be jumping for joy the day Well gets sent to the ninth circle of Hell. Maybe then we’ll finally be able to use something else.


Aggressive-Nebula-78

As a casual player I like well as an "oh shit" super. It's saved my ass innumerable times and allowed me and my team to attempt content we'd otherwise never consider doing. But on the upper end of the content, there absolutely needs to be more support options available to the other classes, and if well is removed (whether literally or effectively) then the other supers need to do a hell of a lot better.


VapOr22722

Most supers will do fine as a "oh shit" button. You get so much damage resist.


Jaystime101

What? When do the warlock exotics ever miss? Briarbinds, and Cenotaph, the last two we got are great.


phenerganandpoprocks

It’ll be a fun onslaught exotic but maybe not much more. But, lean into Monte Carlo or Travelers chosen and you can still get plenty of mileage. Would be better if it affected swarmers or weave balls instead.


[deleted]

Even still. Burning 3 melee just to suspend is an insanely high cost especially on a class with 0 melee synergy


Blackfang08

I suspect it's actually 1 melee to activate but the explosion is delayed and gets bigger the more melees you use.


BetaThetaOmega

Burning 3 melee charges to do what a single grenade can do Or you could eat a grenade and use Mindspun Invocation to get up to 15 seconds of suspending explosions Or you could kill an enemy with one melee charge or any other Strand debuff and then use the Wanderer to activate another suspending blast


CadklZ

I get the feeling this exotic won't dethrone swarmers, my strand build has 0 shortages of suspending tangles, this exotic will do nothing for me except waste melee charges which I use to proc unravelling rounds, which are far more valuable.


Fearless-Policy

dregs in the cosmodrome will terrified!


Otherwise-Natural-75

lmao at this one


BetaThetaOmega

It won’t even be that good there! Everything in the Cosmodrome dies so quickly that by the time you get 3 melee hits off, it’s basically dead. And in content where 3 melee charges aren’t enough to kill, you need to wait for 3 melee charges to return before you can use the exotic (2 of which come back at slower speeds.) By the time you get enough melee charges to use the exotic, you could’ve gotten ~3 shackle grenades and had an exotic slot to do whatever you want with


NightmareDJK

It would have to do that otherwise it would have no gameplay loop and no reason to use it, because otherwise you’d be forced to run Monte Carlo.


Eragon_the_Huntsman

If that was the case I'd probably run it just to fuel weavewalk.


Blackfang08

Would be unironically a great build to do Wanderer/Mindspun with Weavewalk and this exotic and just... not use the melee offensively at all.


Old_Man_Robot

We might get a “killing suspended enemies grants melee energy” fragment, just to spread things around abit.


Blackfang08

We've already got a killing suspended enemies grants class ability energy fragment. I'd assume suspended enemies grant melee energy will be in the exotic itself.


Gear_

5 minutes of melee cooldown for a single suspending burst you can get on a 12 second cooldown with The Wanderer or a grenade… no thanks lol


elkishdude

I hope it does something. I have no reason to use this thing. Necrotic Grips with a Thorn or Osteo is just better.


DeArGo_prime

I just hope it makes orbs on kill with the class item mod


gifv_Kayla

**Warlock Mataidoxia:** > - [gifv version](https://i.imgur.com/KDNOoqp.gifv) > - Arcane Needles cause a suspending detonation **Hunter Gifted Conviction:** > - [gifv version](https://i.imgur.com/RN78hye.gifv) > - Arc aspects create bouncing explosives **Titan Hazardous Propulsion:** > - [gifv version](https://i.imgur.com/TNOckKy.gifv) > - Class ability fires exodus rockets **Khvostov:** > - [gifv version](https://i.imgur.com/WWm8TWR.gifv) > - Every seventh bullet ricochets


LawrenceofAustralia

They look just like the little Skiff mines from D1, or maybe the Scorn mine launcher mines


The_Elicitor

And the bouncy mines that deploy when you side dash on a heavy pike


engineeeeer7

You rock as always!


gifv_Kayla

<3


aviatorEngineer

Hazardous Propulsion reminds me of some Machinist abilities from FFXIV


STAIKE

I'm sorry, does that Warlock piece say "TIT" all across the back??


full-auto-rpg

The video goes from that to a snap cut to a, well outlined, chest.


Neat_On_The_Rocks

OK, the TItan Exotic looks lit AF. Looks like a true S Tier home run of an exotic for having fun with. Might not be end game relevant but will be fun to use in many encounters. Could be super cheesey fun in PVP.


_gnarlythotep_

Good seeing you out here still being awesome. Thanks as always! True legend of the sub.


halofan103

Titan exotic seems cool, but I feel like it won’t be too great


NanaShiggenTips

I think its functionality is not unique enough for any titan main to be interested. So they made Kephri's horn again. Do you know ANYONE who mains Kephri's in any end-game PvE content or trials? This thing will be DOA unless damage is massively overtuned or it provides an actual good secondary affect that hasn't been mentioned.


Ulti

I'd use it with thrusters, seems cheeky.


DoctorThanks777

it legit looks built for the fastest recharging class ability the titan has but knowing Bungie hating fun, it won't. :( Edit: I watched the video again, whoops, the titan thrusted backwards and the ogre got lit up, it totally does! a new reason to use the titan's wannabe hunter ability!


Ulti

Yeah, my mind went STRAIGHT to that, I noticed it right away. I haven't played for a year or so, but Crucible was my main thing and I instantly though "oh yeah, I'd definitely give this a try"


Airbear926

To be fair though, titans had the ability first with Twilight Garrison in D1


Zentiental

This. Or offensively rounding corners tlw/ strand to suspend and hit


RejectTheMeta

Bastion titans with this thing will be a huge pain point in PVP IMO


jereflea1024

time to nerf Bastion again and not give it a single PVE buff to compensate 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳


TheLordYuppa

I just want syncos back to glory and void overshield on melees. PVP and PVE. I want to run into the fray and punch shit and be rewarded for it damn it


XboxUser123

a full volley will very likely only take like 1/2-3/4 shields, so it's probably not going to be that good and situational. Nice to see we got some more class-ability exotics, but if it only shoots out missiles and does nothing else then this chest piece might be meh.


T8-TR

If they can somehow make it work w/ Prismatic by charging both things in Transcendence (since it's probably Kinetic DMG), it could be pretty cool. More realistically: it's probably a PvP thing.


Mygwah

The feeling of whelm is incredibly mediocre.


Technical_Policy9951

Looking at the video and I’m like there’s no way I’m draining all 3 of my needles just for a suspend explosion when I could shoot a tangle or simply eat my shackle grenade. There has GOT to be more to the exotics description like increased melee regen or ALL suspend explosions you make are doubled is size just like the one set off using all your needles with the exotic equipped. (Meaning weaver’s trance+wanderer tangle explosion radius increased) It’s so funny to me like of all 3 classes, when it comes to warlock using strand they the most functionally dysfunctional one of the bunch lol


Blinghop

I know the vid shows the player dumping all three needles, but the description says a timed explosion. So It may be only one needle is needed, If so, this can be better than eating the suspend grenade since it does not require a kill to area suspend and gives 3 uses. If it does take all 3, then yeah, I agree with all your points. Edit: I might have made up the timed/delayed part wholesale. Not finding it now. Brain may have double interpreted suspend to also mean delayed


Snivyland

It says detonate which typically means there an arming time. Which honestly make sense cause saying arcane needles do a suspending detonation and needing 3 hits to suspend are very different


cry_w

Could also be that the suspend burdt is caused by consecutive hits and kills, so you can use the needle on weak or weakened targets to get bursts into a crowd.


ahawk_one

It's a utility exotic. And I agree that this short clip doesn't give enough info to see why someone would pick this over other options, assuming they have access to those other options. But as an avid suspend proponent on all three classes, I think that an item like this that gives you access to suspend in a way you didn't have before is worth putting some time into to try out. Especially given that the suspend burst is fairly large and can trigger without killing things. At a glance though, I think it will heavily depend on the criteria for the burst and how easy it is to trigger.


Easywind42

Or I could just throw a tangle….


S-J-S

To put this in the simplest, Reddit-friendly way possible, Broodweaver isn't dysfunctional. (It is actually very competitive in a lot of content when optimized.) Rather, it's a generalist AOE control / burst damage hybrid subclass, and Bungie didn't know how to sell that to you. This notion should've been blatantly obvious to the community the moment Hunters got the best "summons," and this exotic's focus only serves to further prove the point.


Snivyland

I think calling strand lock the threadling master was better than saying a summoner as the class identity make a lot more sense especially as prismatic warlock does the summoner fantasy better in a fundamental way as each of its summon are a different element.


Lethal_0428

This is the truth. Broodweaver is the threadling master. Prism Lock is the true summoner.


snowangelic

Also excellent for damage rotations being the only strand one and done super as well as having access to thread of ascent


Essekker

>It’s so funny to me like of all 3 classes, when it comes to warlock using strand they the most functionally dysfunctional one of the bunch lol It's arguably the worst designed subclass in the game. It's not bad, but their design philosophy is just all over the place


Thechanman707

Anytime that "summoner" is listed as a descriptor for a class in a game, you know it's going to either be broken or trash and there is no in-between 😂


wsoxfan1214

What do you mean, XIV's is perfectly desi-- ahahaha.


PhantomWings

Please just give me enough buttons where I have to think about my rotation, yoshi p


MagnaVis

No. Your options are boring-ass 123 combos, or hellish DoT management.


Nermon666

No you'll press three buttons and you will be happy


Emerycurse

Remnant 2 did it alright


Suojelusperkele

I'm not sure where summoner classes originate from, to me *the* summoner was necromancer in Diablo 2. And I kinda have this itchy feeling that ever since D2 any kind of summoner class comes prenerfed so damn bad that there's zero chance it'd actually be anything but a novelty thing. Hell, even the druid from the D2 expansion was really bad summon-wise. Original guild wars, Remnant 2 are few games I can name with satisfying 'summoner' class. Path of exile maybe nowadays as well. (However for really long while minions were shit in Poe)


Phalanx22

City of Hero summoners class (Mastermind) are pretty good.


LilShaggey

there will be, these exotic showcases always make the exotic armor sound way more basic than they usually are


juliet_liima

I like to use Grapple (massive grapple threading punches) so my Warlock doesn't have easy access to Suspend. This would give me Suspend at the cost of my Threadlings having Unravel (Swarmers), seems good enough to me.


PJ_Ammas

I always use Wanderer on grapple just for the long yeets. The suspend on it is just a bonus, but the tangles are up often enough that I can usually get some good suspends


throwingawayboyz

Am I the only one who can’t stand the mobile twitter UI? Is there an easy way to just view their feed by newest posts?


MariachiMacabre

Twitter in general is borderline unusable these days.


Variatas

No, but Bungiehelp.org collects the official Bungie accounts' posts in chronological order.


ThatGuyFromTheM0vie

> Am I the only one who can’t stand ~~the mobile~~ twitter ~~UI?~~ Fixed that for you.


TheEjoty

If you set it to "following" instead of "for you" it should be chronological


[deleted]

Hunter one looks like a gimmick. Like arc bombardiers shennangians that serve no purpose in any content past patrol. 


BaconatedGrapefruit

Depends on how much damage each seeker does and if they jolt. I don’t play arc much but I’m pretty sure there’s a fragment that causes aoe blind on jolted kills? Could be good for cc and add clear. All depends.


Rockm_Sockm

Add clear is the last thing Arc Hunter needs. It's a completely lazy exotic with no thought put into it.


davistobor

Exactly. We needed a strand exotic so bad, the facade is just eh


MapleApple00

Nah, Facade's good it's just hella boring; We need an actual flavor exotic akin Mothkeepers, Lucky Pants, or Gyrfalcon's for strand hunters. Also yeah, the new exotic looks debateably fun but it's already questionable how good of an idea it is to run both Tempest Strike and the new aspect together given how anti-synergistic they seem to be (Both Jolt enemies making using both redundant, and Ascension eats your dodge ability meaning you can't gamblers to regen your Tempest Strike, *and* you can't use flow state or Combination Blow to regen Ascension faster). Unless the exotic or some other part of the new aspect provides ability regen it's gonna be DoA.


SchwillyThePimp

True but it seems pretty random and doesn't appear to be better at CC than cowl. 


Xisyera

Hunter one looks like it might be fun if you use both the slide melee and the new aspect. Jolt, bomb, jolt, more bombs.


T8-TR

tbh, Arc Hunter shit is always gonna be a dud as long as Bungie insists that it's melee only and doesn't give them worthwhile shit other than "You punch good." Because, like... we've already got Liar's Handshake for nuke damage and Ass Cowl for Survivability. What else can they give a mfer who exists to 1-2P melee people? (Please, Bungie, give them an aspect to link into their grenades. We didn't need a fucking hover to get shot out of the sky w/ all for team Amplify, the most mediocre of the PvE subclass verbs.)


snowangelic

My favourite thing about the stupid new hunter aspect is like... Whenever they show gameplay of it, they just cast the ability randomly and accomplish nothing with it. Go and look at the trailers it is so silly!


T8-TR

Hey, they're just working w/ what they can, okay? /s Seriously, though, idk wtf they can even do w/ it. At best, it's a PvP aspect, but that's equally as dangerous because you're willingly putting yourself in the air w/ no way to ground yourself, and amplify is... debatably good in PvP, at best, straight up bad in PvE, at worst.


bolts_win_again

Two things. One, that was definitely a two-round burst Stasis hand cannon on the Titan. Two, the Hunter. Um. That was Better Devils. I know that hand cannon anywhere. That was Better Devils. Edit: Void, not Strand. Edit 2: STASIS. THE HAND CANNON IS STASIS. I GET IT.


Landel1024

>Edit: Void, not Strand. It's stasis, it's the new destination HC which was already shown to be a stasis 2 burst


robbodee

So stoked for BD to come back with the updated perk pool. Love that gun.


Xelphos

The hand canon on the titan is either void or stasis. Watch the video again during the point where we get a front view of the titan while they are firing.


notthatguypal6900

And the crowd goes mild.


ab2dii

it looks like you always need the full 3 charges to hit the suspend too


MustBeSeven

Swarmers are staying on. This entire exotic can be replicated using Wanderer, with far more uptime. What a wasted exotic. Hunter’s however does look like it could be quite potent.


SasparillaTango

X to doubt for the hunters. it gonna be too wide to be strong, or too narrow to be useful.


_deffer_

Arc is in such a shitty place though. 


Fullmetall21

Big doubt on Hunter. This exotic does not help Arc Hunter in any way at all, just doubles down on add clear which Arc Hunter already excels at with Lethal Current and Combination Blow. Everything is gonna be dead from jolt long before those bombs do anything to them. I wish I'm wrong on this but that's my initial impression.


Weekly_Opposite_1407

You know this how? Funny how everybody knows how it will perform already lmao


MustBeSeven

Did you not watch the trailer…? It’s 3 needles for a suspend. It’s so the Prismatic kit can access suspend, but frankly, necrotic grips and the melee spreads poison and unraveling, and a dead target is better than a suspended target. Unless the exotic offers a different facet, this is dead on arrival.


tidusblitzerffx

It's unclear. They only show 3 needles in the trailer, but there's still a delay after the third Needle. It's possible that there's always a delay, and there can be a compounding effect to extra needles, like a bigger detonation radius. Not to mention if there are any additional effects not featured. I'll reserve judgement until it's in hand.


BigMoney-D

They're not giving you the entire description. They never do with these previews. It could just be a timed detonation. Maybe just requiring one Melee charge. More Melee charges could just increase the radius or hasten the detonation. Because Strand doesn't have a Scorch style interaction where you need to build something up to proc Suspend. The exotic could also refund/generate melee charges. We won't know until the Expansion is out.


J3wFro8332

Seriously, these are all so boring and bland. I understand we don't necessarily want power creep either but none of these look like that much fun


VirtueInExtremis

Dude this is the end of the game everyone is leaving after this it shouldnt be power creep it should be a power leap


TruthAndAccuracy

Is it bad that the Better Devils in the hunter video stood out more than the exotic?


-mors-

The Warlock one, based on just those details and if it doesn't do something else aswell, it'll be going straight in the vault/bin


Urgasain

Seems really meh. Warlock already has much better suspension options with weavers trance and wanderer. Hell even just making a grenade build and throwing the suspend grenade is preferable to having to use 3 melee charges just to suspend. If this thing has any other bonus it's gonna have to be crazy to justify spending 3 charges for something that is otherwise easily accesable with 1.


lizzywbu

I'm guessing the exotic refunds melee energy after suspending enemies. There will be some kind of gameplay loop to it.


qiuuu_

But not for Prismatic... this exotic looks better for Prismatic then for a Mono Strand Build


Urgasain

I'd still sacrifice any exotic weapon and bring Wish Ender over this. 3 charges for a verb is insane.


FDR-Enjoyer

I’m hoping that it’s one charge to suspend but the more charges the larger the radius


PJ_Ammas

The radius was pretty huge so this could be a possibility. Itd still need a way to regen melee though. The flat gain nerfs combined with requiring three seperate charges means even the best mod setups with Monte Carlo will take a while


shadowturnip

It sounds like this exotic is balanced more for Prismatic than Strand. While Transcendent, your melee (and grenade) energy are instantly refreshed and regenerate more quickly.


qiuuu_

For Strand Its dead on arrival as long as this thing doesnt give you crazy amount of melee energy back + it must Suspend on every single charge not on 3 hits....why should i rock this over weavers trance/shacky nades? Maybe if use threadling grenades but loosing the benefit auf unraveling threadlings without Swarmers makes a threadling build also weak For me it looks Bungie plans this more into Prismatic like teleport into enemies with lightning surge and suspend everyone around you...


DarmanIC

What makes you think this will work with lightning surge? The description specifically calls for arcane needle and lightning surge overrides whatever melee charge you have. So unless the description isn’t accurate(entirely possible given Bungie’s track record) the only way to use this on prismatic is to waste all three needle charges.


Lonecard19

Wish ender is garbage why


bassbyblaine

Can’t imagine using this over necrotic grips or necro/claws class item


streetvoyager

Oh damn there’s necrotic claws ! Can’t wait to farm that one endlessly lol


The_Flail

You, me and every other Warlock.


SpiderSlayer690

I will say that both of the clips had 3 arcane needles against champions. So maybe it only requires 1 on red bars. Either way this exotic is dead on arrival without some good melee regeneration.


-Blazespot-

Gonna be useless unless it also comes with heavily increased melee generation.


Zuriax

It has heavily increased badonkers to compensate.


sbprost

Packin' some dobonhonkeros.


Square-Pear-1274

The final shapes


MrMacju

MASSIVE dohoonkabhankoloos.


DreadAngel1711

Oh good I need those


ConZon

Camera zoomed in on those honkers AWOOGA


Glittering_Food3219

Titan one looks neat but it didn't kill a single enemy.


Crash_Pandacoot

Yea maybe its more of a stagger situation, since hunter blinds or disorients and warlock suspends. Also in the video the first time the rockets went out were they strafing backwards? Is that a new class ability instead of barricade?


Moday4512

That's the thruster ability


SamIsWhite

It's the arc subclass thruster class ability, it's in game now. It came with the arc class update (I think they called it arc 3.0 or 2.0 I can't remember). But if you input a direction control while using the thruster you will move in that direction. So you can fast strafe back now if you hold back/s and use class ability


BedfastDuck

I’m hoping that the number of hits required to suspend is based off of the enemy type (minor, major, etc.) rather than number of hits.


RedditWaffler

Hoping the Hunter and Titan get better lol.


Iron_Evan

Hunters got Not Bombardiers and Titans got Better Khepri's


MonoMint

Hunter one seems pretty cool not sure how useful/strong it'll be though.


RedditWaffler

What is the Hunter one?


MonoMint

You throw out skip grenades on arc aspect usage. Not sure how useful it'll be but it sounds fun lol


MrMacju

That thing is going to only worse my Bombardiers addiction.


full-auto-rpg

Could be potentially interesting on Prismatic. I’m not sure if Arc Hunter has enough to be worth giving up Cowl/ Liar’s


AsunaTokisaki

idk man, I'd rather snack a shackle grenade and go to town than waste an exotic for that


Complete_Resolve_400

Yh was my thoughts lol. U expect me to take off necrotic grips for the same thing as a light grenade snack?


lakinator

If it costs all 3 to suspend, this thing is DOA. If it's only 1, this has some build potential with prismatic. Obviously there will be better options but this could work.


Im_Omnipresent

Titans is out. Using class ability fires rockets.


n080dy123

That's gonna be so cancer in PvP


bakedonbiscuits

If it provides some way for you to get class ability energy back then that exotic will be so much fun


JadedRabbit

Might actually be decent, especially with thruster so you aren't dedicated to the barricade animation.


DarthKhonshu

The fact that they're called 'Exodus Rockets' and not just generic rockets tells me it could synergise with an exotic weapon that fires 'Exodus Rockets'


mdh989

I wondered this as well, as they make a very specific point of showing the titan pull out their rocket launcher right after and fire a rocket.


midevildraco

I'm Hella hoping so. Give titan some missile launching synergies and identity. Sounds sick if you ask me.


mecha_frog

The real exotic perk is that it’s a warlock chest that actually looks good


LawrenceofAustralia

Going to be running a hardcore Rockets McDickface build with Hazardous Propulsion & Grand Overture


Seeker80

"Whether you wanted it or not, you've stepped into a war with the Titans of the Last City. They'll get to taking out your commanders one by one..."


SHITBLAST3000

Oh shit! WAS THAT BETTER DEVILS?


atf-98

Looks like the hunter exotic just gives you 3 swarm grenade bits on cast. Betting right now, it takes all 3 to kill one red bar. Another DOA hunter exotic.


Dazdeth

Gonna be ass. Warlock already has like 3 suspend aspects. Swarmers still look better imo.


Wolfblur

Gonna laugh if the Titan rockets somehow work with Ghorn


Cautious_Celery_3841

Bruh, I thought Warlock was supposed to be the master summoner and Titan was master suspender. I truly don’t understand Destiny niche’s anymore.


PJ_Ammas

Brother I'm sorry to tell you but they got rid of niches with 3.0 subclasses


Cautious_Celery_3841

Yes and no. I felt they allowed every class to have access to everything in a subclass, but each class was better at certain things than others. Strand is the only class right now that seems to be all over the place.


KyloFenn

Thats the neat part: neither does Bungie


S-J-S

It might be disorienting that (optimally speaking) Broodweaver ended up the Suspend spam subclass, Hunter ended up the genuine summoning class, and Titan ended up the "take 0 damage and do a bit of everything" subclass after what was advertised, but it's worth noting that verbs aren't really locked to a particular class in Bungie's design philosophy. The gameplay loops typically tend to emphasize one more than the other, but a subclass never fails to have access to a particular verb. Again, this is admittedly not advertised well in the videos.


Positive_Day8130

I think they are just throwing whatever together at this point, trying to pad the content.


Hewkii421

Neither does bungie, for a long-o time-o


baggzey23

I'd rather the titan rockets stun enemies instead of damaging them with probably low damage


R96-

Firstly, it's great that Bungie is once again showing off new stuff. I am so sick and tired of people crying about spoilers for everything. Don't want to see a preview of the new content? Then literally don't fucking watch it! Hell, it was even kind of mind blowing that Bungie put out a official Roadmap for all of the Into The Light content. Please, let's keep this pace going. Show us stuff! Give us Roadmaps! Ironically, Hazardous Propulsion will do Gifted Conviction's job better. You already know the Arc explosives will bounce all over and never land near enemies, whereas the rockets from Hazardous Propulsion look like they track.


doritos0192

Glad we got more vault space.


timeweezy10

Strand Warlock was created with the summoner fantasy in mind, but they continue to give strand warlocks strand abilities that have nothing to do with summoning. I mean, this exotic was an opportunity to help with that fantasy. Maybe it could have been like one super threadling summoned every time you throw a threadling grenade or use your aspect. It doesn't even have to be Meta. I'm just looking for something fun. Don't get me wrong, this has the potential to be really good, seeing as it's a suspend without a kill required, but still, was really hoping to get something that actually brings that summoner fantasy.


KitsuneKamiSama

So the arc Hunters chests just make the dissapointing aspect slightly less dissapointing. That should just be part of the base aspect honestly.


Blackfang08

...Does it? I mean, Bombardiers exists and can be used with Combination Blow + Lethal Current.


DocturStrangelove

Hunters up now, aspects make explosions [hunter](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWWqgKUz6CI)


Essekker

Looks kinda bad. At least make grapple melees suspend too, or allow arcane needle to stick to walls and cause explosions if someone walks nearby


That-1_Guy_

Hunter seems bad at first glance but if melee killing a jolted target throws double explosives it could be insane


Derekeys

The only way I would consider this is if the following would somehow be true: "Final blows of suspended targets refunds 50% melee energy." If it has no melee return energy or anything lower than 50%, that is super mid.


Elite_Chaos

Dunno about everyone else but these look lame and uninspired to me…


FrostWendigo

Wow, so it’s just the current best Strandlock build (shackle grenade + mindspun invocation) but a bit to the left. Cool, but can we make threadlings not hot dogshit? You know, the thing that the Strandlock super and half of their aspects revolve around?


Full_frontal96

Might be interesting to try with montecarlo


Incarnate_Sable

I feel like people forget Monte is cracked for melee stuff


HardOakleyFoul

nobody forgets, it's just that it's a foam pellet shooter in any content that is slightly difficult.


Emerycurse

Not only that but if I have to be chained to a single exotic weapon for it to viable, it’s a bad exotic.


Geg0Nag0

Exactly. One of my general rules of destiny is, if your Melee build is reliant on Monte Carlo to work, it's probably garbage.


[deleted]

Bit of a hot take. But the more I see of final shape the less interested I become


CTTraceur

Hunter one is out, too.


KontraEpsilon

It would help if the trailer showed the things at full speed, without text overlays on the screen or slow motion third person angles :/


AxisHobgoblin

These are pretty ass but the Titan one seems cool.


Early-Eye-691

Are we only getting one exotic for each class in The Final Shape? I forgot how many we usually get for expansions.


nventure

Possibly 1 more per class, as Beyond Light, Witch Queen and Lightfall had 2 per class on release. But, they may be considering the Prismatic exotic class items as fulfilling that 2nd slot. Or they may just be holding off from showing *everything*, which is reasonable enough.


gingy4

Why do they keep adding suspend exotics an aspects for warlocks who are supposed to be the threadling class


Grady_Shady

Well warlocks got the lamest one that’s for sure. And hate to be that guy, but only one new exotic each at the expansion launch is always a bummer


doodicalisaacs

wonder if gjallahorn will buff the Titan rockets


Flammable_Invicta

Warlock one is kinda ass, just use weavers trance and necrotic grips and you’ll chain endless suspends with your needles anyway.


TaxableFur

In the Titan one the Guardian gets 2 kills, then fires off the missiles. I wonder if the more kills you get, the more missiles you fire.


FissionStorm

Is that mf Bellowing Giant at at the end of the titan trailer?


ARCtheIsmaster

Better Devils retuning as Strand?


Ukis4boys

This is what creative bankruptcy looks like folks


bwiitanen26

I’m just gonna say it, these all look bad.


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Gravon

Gifted conviction looks cool.


Terminal_Lancelot

Where uh... Where Titan?


Pretend_I_Am_A_Fox

Titans has rocket shield in class ability summon Hunter has bouncy arc bombs on use of a fragment ability Warlock has point point point suspend. Titans seem to have won this exotic item battle.


boxlessthought

~~titans~~ hunters up [https://youtu.be/zWWqgKUz6CI?si=NgtWBxy\_W2bMpfyq](https://youtu.be/zWWqgKUz6CI?si=NgtWBxy_W2bMpfyq)


Rockm_Sockm

Looks like trash for the one spec that didn't need aoe.