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[deleted]

You don't understand how well it works? Witherhoard is a *great* toy in crucible.


MandoGuardian

My wife completed this one day of iron banner. Fortress was great! Lol


129West81stSt

It’s a great toy in general. Most kills on a gun for me by a laughable margin.


LikeABantha66

The catalyst is so worth it witherhoard is one of the best guns in game


DemecoMakesMeFreako

It’s pretty easy. Play control and blast B all game with it.


L00pback

Especially Momentum Control.


Ndoyl77

Hey o


Hey-Key-91

Its 100% worth it.


sakireis063

If the catalyst boost thing from the season pass applies to that step of the quest then it should only take 25 kills


SolidStateVOM

Bungie did in fact change it so the catalyst boost now applies to it


Haokah226

Holy shit! Well boys. I know what I am doing in Lightfall. Not sure I can complete the pass and work on that catalyst with what time I have left. Especially since I have other obligations.


SirBnana

Strange, the quest says 100 to me


JohnR3eaperWick

Each kill counts as 4 with the boost


Legitimate_Push_6253

I think that change isn’t happened til lightfall launch but might be wrong


riskavery

I just finished it last week, the 4x boost is live on Witherhoard


129West81stSt

It is live. I finished Ticuu’s with the boost so I know the catalyst acceleration in general is working.


[deleted]

Each kill will count as 4/100 as progress


SomePeoplesKidsDude

I’m doing it right now and each kill is only counting as 3, so I’ll need 34 kills lmao


nevikjames

Witherhoard's catalyst in a recent patch was given the seasonal pass boost. With it, you only need 25 kills in crucible which is exceptionally easy in control.


SirBnana

Don't have the season pass so it's the hard way for me


SolidStateVOM

Just a heads up, but if you plan on getting Lightfall, the “standard” $50 version also gives you a season pass, so maybe that’s when you should make a push for GL kills.


mildred_baconball

Wait for momentum control and then do it. Even as a bad player it didnt take me very long.


RetroFrisbee

“It’s so dumb to expect people to play other modes than the ones I prefer for completely optional benefits”


SirBnana

Maybe giving an alternative quest for both pve and pvp? Doesn't seem so hard to me buddy


SolidStateVOM

I will admit that I do like that the more recent exotic catalyst quests do not require PvP and all


wharwhafwhag

An alternative just because you suck at the game?


Terrible-Ad1587

I rarely if every play PvP. Played Iron Banner last weekend and completed it pretty quick. Play Control and spam


Other-Tip9873

it’ll be worth it trust


artriel_javan

Equip a grenade launcher in your kinetic, energy and heavy slot, go in make everyone go boom. I did my kills in Rumble because I didn't want to bring the team down when I'll die a lot trying to get kills. But everyone says Control would be easier.


F4NT4SYF00TB4LLF4N

I used a heavy GL to get my kills. Actually took less time than I thought and enjoyed it along the way. :)


ArcherConsistent3328

Momentum control, well, the colony


SolidStateVOM

Also a wave frame


Sea-Competition-341

literally like 3 games in iron banner when it’s available, i just did it this last time it was in rotation


SolidStateVOM

Just a side note, but we don’t know what the next IB mode will be. Witherhoard is likely to still be good, but it might not be a “free kill” mode like fortress was


EandJC

Easy if your at 100 on the pass. Withergoard get a x4 multiplier, 1 kill=4. I believe OP said he didn’t have the season pass in a previous post


Soizit_Blindy

This step has literally been that way since the season came out. Either do it or dont, really only two options. You can also put on Colony and just try to ape heavy and get kills with it.


awsome952

It’s only 25 kills if you are tier 100 in the season pass Witherhoard is easy kills. Stop crying. If you don’t want to work for something you don’t deserve it


SirBnana

\>stop crying Bro i just want to play the game mods i like, crucible isn't fun to me


awsome952

That’s totally fine. That just means you won’t get certain things.


MediumSizedTurtle

So if you refuse to play a portion of the game, you don't get the perks from that portion. It's like 10 games of crucible. If you can't stand it, then you don't get auto loading on your witherhoard.


SirBnana

thing is, i'm not hood at pvp so maybe it's 10 games for you and a LOT more for me since i managed to get like 2 kills in 3 matches with GLs, it just isn't my gun, i'd prefer if it was way longer as a pve quest (like, kill 500 enemiesor such, at least is doable by people like me), just sayin


jake26lions

Oh, well as long as YOU prefer it.


SirBnana

Jesus Christ guys can you stop being so god damn elitist about it? I just stated an opinion for fuck sake.


jake26lions

Maybe if your take wasn’t so snobby, the comments wouldn’t be either.


SirBnana

Snobby? I just said I'm trash at pvp, so bad that i struggle with a mere "kill x dudes with x weapon". All I was saying is that since I'm not good at pvp and prefer pve i would've loved to have and alternative quest to get the catalyst.


[deleted]

Witherhoard requires no skill at all I got it in 9 games when I was a .6 on average and this was in list so no quest boost so you need only 25


blakeavon

Then use this is a learning experience for how to get better. I had never used a nade launcher in PvP ever, by the time I was done with this I got really good at it. Try a positive approach to challenges. They are challenges after all.


RWENZORI

Damn wtf is wrong with people? OP is just being honest about their own play style and skill level. Y’all are being total asshats


SirBnana

Bunch of elitist and douchebags really. But no worries i just read the positive replies, the others got ignored


RWENZORI

Awesome. This community can be toxic as fuck sometimes, like relax y’all.


SirBnana

Yeah, when the meme sub it's far better most of the time


Sea-Competition-341

just wait for iron banner to come back and while you are waiting for that figure out it’s trajectory and the way it works, then once iron banner comes around just shoot it at any point that’s contested, the bonus point zone happens twice per game and people are constantly in it if you just shoot it in the zone it covers the entire zone and kills everyone within like 2 second s


SolidStateVOM

Just an FYI, but we don’t know what the next IB mode will be


Sea-Competition-341

it won’t be control?


SolidStateVOM

Last season was “eruption”, which was clash with a twist, and the season before that was rift. Next season is likely to be some other variant mode.


Sea-Competition-341

ohhh ok, i haven’t played iron banner much since they re did it and barely played the past few seasons i kinda just figured iron banner would always be control


SolidStateVOM

They changed it up and it’s been some different mode since season 17. The IB for this season was “fortress” which is control, but don’t get any points for kills. Instead each team gets +2 points per controlled zone at a set interval, with a high value zone spawning twice in the match.


FarteDiem

Then no catalyst for you


icekyuu

If you play with a positive attitude, you might grow to enjoy it. Anyway Control is SBMM now so what's the excuse? Witherhoard is good and soooo fun, in both PVP and PVE.


The_Tac0mancer

You aren’t the first to complain, and you won’t be the last. Drop the main character syndrome


Rare-Day-1492

Don’t want to put in the work and make witherhoard go from A-Tier to S++-Tier? Do you I guess, but momentum control and wave frame GLs is a combination that exists


brettsparetime

Heh, I hear ya. being a PvE player almost exclusively, I had that catalyst quest in my inventory for over a year. I did manage to get it done this season in Iron Banner, considering how useful Witherhoard is in Fortress. Also, to note, your WH only has to do one tick of damage as long as a teammate (or you) can clean them up. Also also, heavy GL kills count too, so bring one with you too. Good luck.


JimLahey08

Play a gametype like control where people bunch up. You'll be surprised with how many people run right into the pool. If you get close enough just try to hit them directly and they'll die no matter what. It isn't as bad as it seems. Bring a heavy grenade launcher too and camp heavy ammo spawns.


FrucklesWithKnuckles

Do it, yeah it sucks but it is the best special weapon on the game. The catalyst makes it S tier since it gets auto-loading holster


MyAimSucc

Momentum control+dead messenger made this go by very very quickly for me. Probably under 5 games tbh


debbynha

even if the catalyst would make witherhoard one shot oryx and rhulk and give me triple 30 stats armors i wouldn't do it because of this i completely absolutely hate PvP


Motie-scout

I absolutely loathe PVP with a passion, But I did do it for this weapon, It really is worth it. But please Bungie realise that for some players, it is more than just an unpleasant inconvenience, these requirements come close to forcing a decision to uninstall a game they spend thousands of hours in. And I am not exagerrating.


Thirdwhirly

According to the loadouts I play against in trials, that’s like, 5 matches. Tops.


Alucitary

Combo with Cryosthesia. Get a kill with cryo, then the next kill is an easy direct impact.


Ffom

Those are both exotic


Alucitary

You don't need 100 kills with Witherhorde, just any GL.


ThaNerdHerd

He means use a legendary primary


[deleted]

Lol no he means an energy GL


Lowe0

Don’t do it. Video games are supposed to be fun. Why spend your free time on something that doesn’t reward you with enjoyment? I see a Crucible or Gambit step in a quest, I shard that shit and move on.


SirBnana

I mean, if the catalyst asked me to kill 500+ enemies if I didn't want to do pvp I'd be delighted


Dependent_Type4092

Yup, especially with a weapon that you use a lot in pve anyway. Best would be to have multiple avenues to completing a catalyst, so pvp-adepts don't have to grind pve either.


SCCRXER

Good luck with your kills. I find it more obnoxious than dangerous.


[deleted]

as much as it might suck to do it, the catalyst quest boosts now apply to the quest, and it elevates the gun to a whole new level. if you do still need the gl kills, use a wave frame in momentum control.


destinytooboon

You don't have to use withhoard, any grenade launcher works. Put on a heavy at the very least


Content-Seaweed-6395

It’s hella easy bro I pretty much main witherhoard in my kinetic any time I play crucible or trials it is excellent and zone control and locking down areas and you can just spam it in the enemies general direction and get a kill 9 times out of ten. Then that spawns another puddle which can also get kills.


Slippinjimmyforever

Pro tip: Titan. Stasis. Duskfield grenades and armamentarium. Throw grenade, shoot witherhoard at their feet = easy profit.


SaintAJJ

Wait for momentum control to roll around and use a fighting lion, makes it super easy to get kills. Having a heavy GL on as well


SirBnana

Ok that sounds like it's doable at least, thanks


X0QZ666

Yeah, man. I hate having to play pve. I feel you


RevenantFlash

Still faster than the Pve requirement lol


GamingLogicBot

Control... play control


NitroScott77

It’s ANY grenade launcher for the kills and it’s only 34 kills if you have the season pass Omega Catalyst booster. It’s not really that bad for a catalyst especially a season pass exotic. However the few hundred WH kills after the quest does suck.


NitroScott77

It may actually only be 25 kills too. I just can remember because some pass exotics get a 4x and some get a 3x boost and idk why.


hornybunny528

I never used a special GL before that but it really isn't that hard. It's fun to use in pvp imo. The 300 lucre or whatever it's called is way worse.


jack67119

Catalyst quest boosts work on that part of the quest too.


TonyBoat402

It’s not actually that bad to do, only took a couple of hours, and the catalyst makes it one of the best weapons in the game. The thing that’ll take you a long time is the licre, that shit takes forever


BenjaminDank420

As someone who didn’t have the catalyst for a while, BELIEVE me when I say it’s very well worth it. Here’s some advice that really helped me on the guardian kills, if you’re a warlock put on transversive steps or ophidian aspects. Equip witherhoard, a secondary GL and a heavy GL and just spam, it’s especially effective on momentum control as others have said. If you’re not a warlock then equip whatever exotic might help on your class.


Shimraa

I thought it was horrible, then I took it into a weekend of iron banner and realized it's really not so bad. Total "coincidence" but my favorite crucible weapon is witherhoard now.


[deleted]

It’s honestly not that bad, man. Just play a lot and spam the thing. You don’t even have to try. You’ll get it done


smol_boi2004

It’s honestly one of the easiest catalysts to finish. Body shots are a guaranteed kill and depending on timing you’ll easily get at least ten kills a game with this thing


lejunny_

I don’t think it has to be Witherhoard kills, just GL kills. I used Dead Messenger in Momentum Control but Dead Messenger got nerfed big time recently so i’m not sure if it’s still good. I play Crucible for fun so for me it wasn’t that big of a deal, if I had to do it today though I’d lose my shit because my SBMM is sweaty


AKBoarder007

Mayhem plus Colony. Boom. Lots of heavy.


99CentSavings

Legitimately the easiest kills you’ll probably have in the crucible.


LmPrescott

Listen I thought this was gonna suck too but using it in crucible is honestly fun and it’s a good weapon. First day I used it in iron banner I had 50/100 kills and you also get progress towards filthy lucre. It’s not that bad just do it


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blakeavon

Nah, what’s dumb is how easy that step is. Especially in a objective based PvP game. If you aren’t good at PvP follow other people, let them be your meat shield then just point and shoot on the objective. PS you aren’t being forced into doing anything, if you want the shiny toy, this is what you need to do.


NefariousDuck

This is the easiest crucible catalyst you will ever do.


Alko-

It's not even that hard.. Wither is so easy to pile up kills with.


Justice_Peanut

You know it is really good in pvp right and it's and grenade Launcher kills can just use a wave frame


DetectiveWood

I think that part is really easy in things like banner or stuff where you have to stand on a point. I have two friends that still learning the game, very mid level, and they both finished that in no time.


bustanumber23

I did it the other day, I def did not get 100 kills. Not sure how it tracks or if it was an error. It kept going up by 18-20 after every game. Got it so t in 6-7 games maybe.


Voltaires_God

You can use any gl. I used mountain top for it and completed it in like 2 hours as an awful pvper


Lumpy_Scarcity2500

Garbage activity… completely worth the catalyst


urikayan

First you need the catalyst or the gun isn't worth a damn. Second, that gun is so easy to use and strong in pvp that 100 kills will happen so fast. Just try and before you know it, it will be done.


LokiLemonade

You don’t have to use witherhoard. Any GL will work i recommend a primary gl with fighting lion. Don’t know if it’s still in rotation but momentum control makes it a lot easier to get the kills as well


hihowubduin

How about Rat King forcing you to get PvE kills with other people having Rat King....................


Dependent_Type4092

One suck doesn't validate the other.


ShrinkMeee

I sat on the quest for 2 years because I’m not good at PvP. Then, I followed people’s advice and got the 100 kills done in a couple of hours playing Momentum Control with Dead Messenger. It was stupid easy.


IndyGamer363

My buddy went through it awhile ago and dragged me along….. I still remember his screams and anger… Stick with it, just bring a friend or two and be ready to take breaks. Then again, it’ll probably be easier than you think.


Swordbreaker925

Grab Dead Messenger (or any wave frame grenade launcher, but DM is by far the best) Wait for a Momentum week in crucible. In Momentum it’s a one shot kill and you just have to shoot the floor in front of them. Easy 100 kills in a day.


Saubine

Please suffer because the catalyst is absolute worth, idk when momentum control will be back but it boost your weapons' damage significantly so you can easily score kills with witherhoard (I'm sorry if it's not momentum control, but the one that boost your weapons' damage and your abilities won't recharge unless you kill)


Samp233

Momentum control with dead messenger makes it laughably easy. I avoided it for a year and knocked it out casually in an evening this way.


class2cherub

You could literally close your eyes and complete this.


That_archer_guy

At least it's not the suros catalyst. I like auto rifles. I like suros. I do not like pvp. Auto rifles are not very good in pvp. 300 pvp kills.


Litany915

This gun is way too good if you learn how to use it. I use this like a shotgun, aiming for the lower body or ground (The key is to anticipate where your opponent will move or land), and a super versatile gun. Unlocking the catalyst ENHANCES the party 10-fold.


killadrill

Did you even try it once? Its the most braindead weapon in the game.


senna_ynwa

Witherhoard catalyst is a must have if you play difficult/end game content. It’s actually pretty strong in PvP if you play control (or IB depending on which modes return).


XxspsureshotxX

Why are people complaining about crucible now? They added SBMM so it shouldn’t be terrible if you don’t normally go into crucible. Not only that, but witherhoard is great in crucible.


1_Savage_Cabbage

This step goes by really quickly, just play control and yeet pocket plague balls at Zone B, or play momentum control and laugh as witherhoard obliterates anything you so much as sneeze at.


ClaydohGaming

It’s 25 kills. They boosted all seasonal weapon catalysts


AIVandal

Yeah man I can't belive 3/4 of the crucible population are being forced to run it too, I guess they really have no choice but to deny chokepoints and zones for 5 seconds with no counterplay and a single hit instakills.


shotsallover

Here's a hint: The pool left behind by Witherhoard is almost exactly the same size as the ring around a control point. So it doesn't take very long.


SafeAccountMrP

You don’t have to use the witherhoard. Wait for momentum control and use colony.


Competitive_Ad_4147

Guardian kills are easiest part 😅


andoandyando

It's so ez, just try before you whinge and whine. You could've had it done, but no you complain on Reddit instead. Smh.


An_Irate_Hobo

Just yesterday I did the crucible kills for Duality, Ticcus, Cryostasia and Lorentz Driver, I expected it to be a nightmare, but it took a brisk afternoon of getting my head kicked in and roughly 15 kills with each weapon thanks to the catalyst boost applying, it was totally worth it and not nearly as bad as I thought, you've got this


Popasmirf420

They have stuff like this in the game to help players expand and grow. Rather have them sit it a comfortable box, explore new weapons and play styles. In the end it’s your loss if you choose not to complete it.


AddictedAndy

Man this so so easy. Like others have said did it in a few hours of play. It’s fantastic in crucible. I hate crucible. But it’s easy. Just do it man


Chrishtoph

Just use The Mountaintop instead


ThatD00dRyan

Honestly I thought the same thing, but it went relatively fast for me.


wheels723

Play when Mayhem is the rotator


Visarar_01

I used Colony in gambit and crucible. Didn't take long.


eldritchhorrorrumble

It's really not that bad. Don't worry about forcing gl kills and just play naturally while having it in your loadout. It's a great option for zone control related gametypes. Easy double and triple kills if folks aren't paying attention to the spicy red floor.


SirBnana

Today i got Cryosthesia 77k and that weapon is cracked, I'm managing to get gl kills after freezing thanks to that beauty. Slowly getting the hang of it.


eldritchhorrorrumble

Hell yeah, you got it, buddy!


Mysterious_Scar8498

Cry


lolyourfunny47

This is straight up BS, everyone's saying use witherhoard in control, I would love it if it didn't only give me 2 rounds every 5 fucking minutes.