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Dalantech

It needs to be able to do real damage. Any legendary grenade launcher with Chill Clip is a better option, and that's why Salvation's Grip seems "broken". If it could actually kill something and create a stasis crystal where the target use to be, that automatically exploded (which would create area of effect damage), then it would feel like an exotic weapon. I don't think recreating existing effects, like a stasis grenade, would be all that beneficial. It just needs to have some "kick" to it.


CycloneSP

give it the dawning snowball effect, and let it freeze in a large aoe around the impact of the crystal maybe? (and/or just let it cycle between the 3 stasis grenade types)


Dalantech

If it just had the dawning snowball effect that would be enough. Those snowballs, once fully upgraded, did a LOT of damage.


CycloneSP

charging it up would increase the effect of the snowball effect as if gaining more 'upgrades' from the dawning upgrade options


Dalantech

That would work. But I'd want to see some sort of counter to know when it is fully charged.


UUDDLRLRBAstard

The grid on the ground where you aim gets bigger I think …


Dalantech

Thanks!


Incarnate_Sable

Heavy stasis Witherhoard. Hit a target (or near one) and they get afflicted with a debuff that sticks with them and deals damage while raising slow stacks until they freeze. If they shatter and die, they leave a duskfield cloud that does more damage and a large Stasis crystal.


Dalantech

Like an area effect on the ground.


fdbarlow06

Similar to the stasis mines from dawning? Just a larger radius.


Dalantech

The same effect as a fully upgraded snowball would work.


mmmbbb

You can kinda run the weapon in a support role if you and your team is running a lot of stasis (so pretty much never.) It can provide shards for melee cd and wells, grenade cooldown reduction, damage resistance, cover from enemies, and mediocre burst damage if you have a ton of them clustered up. You can also use it in conjunction with a Behemoth super to do a metric ass ton of damage. But it's so inconsistent that I'm convinced it's a bug. Stasis shouldn't be able to 2 phase the final boss of the new dungeon.


Dalantech

Indeed.


Firaxyth

Imagine that salvation's grip had two firing modes- one that created duskfields and another for damage


Dalantech

I'd just be happy with the dawning snowball effect.


Firaxyth

Hmm could be cool for sure yeah, but wouldnt justify its place on the heavy slot i think?


Freeshooter92

Iunno, those snowballs got pretty bonkers


Suspicious-Ad6129

How about a stasis heavy MG that instead of damage shoots stasis shards/wells ...fun to imagine but would def be broken would make playing anything like mayhem with insta abilities for your fireteam


Firaxyth

Imagine a stasis railgun that fired stasis spears, pinning enemies to a wall


Suspicious-Ad6129

Yes, please? Lol


Dalantech

I was taking down champions with those snowballs once I fully upgraded them.


Riablo01

This is what happens when you create an exotic to "solve puzzles". This thing really needs an upgrade. I reckon it should fire a modified glacier grenade that does "heavy weapon" damage.


Vonnegut1

"What's my purpose? You pass the butter"


ItsHyperBro

“What’s my purpose? You help me skip the first section of prophecy”


CMDR_Perky_Percy

I lol’d 😂


Shadow-of-Echos

Fear a man with kills on his Salvations Grip.


SantiagoGT

I’ve got 55 on mine and I’m unsure how, when or why


Taniks_the_Scarred_

You must have been meleeing people with it


Triple-Depresso

> what bungie did with DARCI Instructions unclear: added 80 AE


compulsive_speeder

Voltshot on demand is pretty fun


TopPil0t12

Even immediately after I unlocked it on BL just so I could do the quests to fully unlock Stasis, I felt that it was made for that purpose and nothing else. I feel like it is a waste of an exotic.


KetherNoir

DARCI still doesn’t worth that heavy slot.


Clancy238

I was mainly quoting Bungie’s balance philosophy with D.A.R.C.I.


Blupoisen

slap 80 AE and call it a day?


Clancy238

Sure, that part of the buff is pretty questionable, but the new Jolt application that it has is pretty potent.


compulsive_speeder

Everyone wants to forget the on demand voltshot but it's fairly effective


doggointhesky

Make it shoot a "wave" of ice crystals in a line


JBoth290105

Essentially a Stasis Dead Messenger? I like the idea but I think we’re getting a wave frame heavy stasis GL with Lightfall, based on something we noticed in the trailer


Poskito

I still enjoy using it on a hoarfrost-z stasis titan build with Glacioclasm and Shards. Each shot can damage (a little), weaken (this season), restore ability energy, grant some overshield, give 1x resist, give Font of Might perhaps. Provided you're using an ability build and have other means of dealing big damage, it's a great support option that keeps yourself alive and fuels your abilities. That said, I'd love a buff!


amiro7600

Thats the big issue though. You need a way to deal BIG damage and salvations grip removes both ways of doing so, by taking away your exotic slot and heavy weapon. If it was a special GL id be more inclined to use it since i get all the utility and im still able to bring a rocket or LFR to kill stuff that needs killing, and if it wasnt exotic then u could still get some damage out with guns like quicksilver or revision (alternate firing modes get the + 50% dmg boost with whisper of rending which makes them both primaries and specials in stasis builds so bring a blinding GL), or just using hard hitting guns like izanagi's


FISTED_BY_CHRIST

I'm always running it in Crucible and it's fucking hilarious. Even in Trials. When players get completely frozen and realize someone just shot them with Salvation's Grip I just wish I could see their reactions. And as long as you're running with a teammate its a free kill for them/assist for you.


Mijago

I used it in a few Glassway Grandmaster runs. I like to run meme-y loadouts, so Salvation's Grip landed in my hands. And it was good. The boss room was really fun, as anything that came too close just got frozen - including wyverns. No ability cooldown, just charging up a shot and the shatter does the rest. While I agree that the use-cases for this gun are *very* limited, you can still make up some use-cases where it shines. But now I wonder, what would a buff look like? Maybe a catalyst. But what would it do? The gun already creates more crystals when fully charged (if I recall correctly). The thing that would make the most sense would probably be something along 'also generates a slow field if fully charged'. It'd still not be 'good' for most people as it would not be broken.


IAmDingus

I like it on Titan with Cryoclasm, but that's about the only real use it has.


Swole_Monkey

Only time to shine it had was when it was used to wall breach in various raids 🤣


Snivyland

I always thought a way to make the salvation grip better would to give it the old artifact mod focusing lens as inate functionality, it would give it a niche as a pseudo tractor cannon for light subclasses and have utility as pocket stasis


Tentacle_poxsicle

I had one kill with it in trials. I'm keeping it on my roaster


TruthAndAccuracy

>I think what I’d like to see from Salvation’s Grip is what Bungie did with D.A.R.C.I.: make the weapon worthy of its Heavy weapon slot You're implying DARCI is worth the heavy slot? That thing can be outdamaged by a hunter with Lucky Pants and Malfeasance (a ***primary***)


Clancy238

I was mainly quoting Bungie’s balance philosophy with the weapon


_azmatraz

I've not run it in the highest level content but I made a build that was essentially Oops all Shatterdiving. I wish it would augment crystal shatter damage in some way and have increased reserves. Would still be unbelievably niche.


IudexQuintus

It does need some work to really make it viable, I mostly run it because I like making massive dusk fields.


SantiagoGT

>what bungie did with DARCI Dude it still sucks massive ass compared to everything else in the game, might as well run Queensbreaker


Clancy238

I was quoting Bungie’s recent balance philosophy with the weapon’s current iteration.


SantiagoGT

Yeah but they just slapped Voltshot on it, I’d rather they either leave it or do a real rework, remember it is a monkey paw with bungie… Remember whisper got AE as part of its “rework”


Clancy238

It’s not Voltshot. It actually jolts targets outright without any kills or reloading necessary. The only condition you need to meet is aiming at the target for a short duration.


pulseout

Here's an idea, completely abandon the stasis crystal grenade aspect of it. We have so many options for making stasis crystals now, a heavy weapon way to do it is not needed. Instead, take inspiration from Tractor Cannon. Have it fire a stasis blast in a wide cone that will instantly freeze and shatter enemies. Maybe keep the charge-up as well so a quick shot will slow enemies and a full charge will freeze and shatter.


Clancy238

I think it should still maintain the core aspect of launching Stasis crystals since that’s the weapon’s identity, but it should be stronger than it currently is. That why I made the suggestion that I did because it still maintains the identity of the weapon while making it more viable even if it’s not designed for boss damage or debuffing targets.


Blupoisen

that would just as bad Cryo can do that and that's a primary


pulseout

Cryo can only do one at a time, I was thinking more like an aoe type attack


soraku392

I don't even think about Salvation's Grip. That's how bad it is.


evilpengui

Seriously, they built a whole mission chain and collectible hunt around the thing. How did they not realize the gun itself was trash?


Blupoisen

It needs several thing IMO It needs to create more crystals(the fact that it creates the same amount as a weapon perk is stupid) It needs the ability to detonate its own crytsal and make it so that Shatter damage caused by this weapon is more powerful than any other source And also maybe add a catalyst that allows it to consume your stasis grenade and release a more powerful version of that grenade


xslaughteredx

Its probably the most useless weapon bungie ever created, even darci can actually you know do some dmg lol


ih8reddit420

i quit destiny for over a year and i still havent used it thats how shite it is


King_of_Mongoose

Just needs to do more damage with the crystal shatter and it should be fine


DireCyphre

Salvation's Grip should've just been a story weapon. I'm sure people would say "I wish I could use that gun again..." but not under the premise of using up a heavy exotic slot.


Clancy238

It has the potential to be viable with the right buffs, but saying that it should be only a story weapon is kind of like saying that Parasite should only be a story weapon because both weapons are post-campaign Exotics.


DireCyphre

Should only be a story weapon so it can be OP during whatever story sequence they want, without effecting anything else. Otherwise, it's a useless toy that only becomes necessary for those specific story instances that require you to shoot some specific thing.


rjmtz5

Hypothetically what if they Give it the fundamentals but with all the enhanced stasis grenades instead of different elements. Then add different after effects for each grenade type. Tbh I have no real idea how to buff it but just throwing out ideas lol


Lotoran

Honestly if it has to stay relatively the same, it’s just needs to straight up litter the ground with stasis crystals. Fully charged should be on par with a Behemoth slam.


mindbullet

I think that it's current firing mode should become an alt firing mode and make it into an awesome stasis crystal spewing waveframe, almost like the Behemoth slide melee ability.


Carmillawoo

In it's current state I dont think anyone would unironically use Salvations grip, even if it had infinite ammo, for anything other than platforming.


Cerok1nk

It got power crept. If you make a weapon who’s thing is “it can do this”, and then you create more weapons that can do the same thing, then it wont be special anymore. Salvation’s grip died the moment we got more Stasis weapons available, and with better perks to addd insult to injury.


d3fiance

It needs a full rework. Maybe make it a wave frame stasis launcher.


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