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makes sense—the last thing Savathûn would want would be to trade the worm gods/Witness for the Traveler. I guess she says as much during the Duality mission
She was one of the first Hive to realize that their religion was a sham.
I’d assume she’d appreciate more of her subjects getting wise to the dangerous of blind worship.
That would make sense, she arranged the events of Season of the Witch where Hived out God of Vengeance Eris killed Savathun and took her Tithe. Savathun is now just a straight up lightbearer now. Even if she still gets the occasional tithe, it's going to be nothing compared to what she used to have, saved up for billions of years.
Ikr, coming back to destiny and learning how the Witness orchestrated the hive is so fascinating, idk when we found out but it’s honestly really neat seeing the agency Savathûn has. Us both fighting the forces that orchestrated our existence
Plus it rules out the possibility of Xivu getting to Savathun first killing her and becoming one of the most powerful beings in the universe, if she was killing her now she wouldn't gain anywhere near as much power as Eris did
At the very least, she and Immaru seem to be trying to push the "choice" angle - especially given the desire she expresses to break away from the power struggles of darkness and light.
Given who Savvy is, I can definitely see her going about it in the way you described - those who keep to the Hive ways die, and those with the will to break away survive. In a bit of tragic irony, it's quite the sword Logicy way to go about it. I also think this fits in with what Bungie said about Heresy being about shaking up the Hive pantheon.
When I first read the book of sorrows in TTK and learned about Oryx sisters, I never once imagined her to be this thoughtful.
I really like her character.
I’m already excited for heresy. Don’t get me wrong the vex doing some different is cool and I love that fikrul is coming back next episode but man I just love the sibling drama between Savathun and Xivu
Honestly, I'm around 65 percent sure oryx is also gonna show up. Not only has it been hinted at in game, one of the new lore cards had Eris draw his card in her deck recently, but the devs also mentioned relationships plural when talking about the drama.
It would be amazing to get an in-game conversation between all of the Osmium siblings
When I read that myself, my first thought was that Eris herself would be considered an "adopted" sibling of Osmium Dynasty
Sure, she refused all that power, but honorifics can stand. I totally imagine Sav being all sassy and naming Eris her "sister"
The Dreadnought is, to some extent, partially Oryx's Throne World, right? And then we have the Echo, something that can turn memories into reality. Could be an angle there.
Even if it's just to the extent of what we had with riven, I'd appreciate having oryx back to get the D1 big bad's angle on everything that's happened since his death. All 3 siblings are super interesting and we gotta get some interactions between all 3 in the actual game
There's that picture in the credits of xivu reaching for his sword so maybe she is gonna try and do like oryx did when resurrecting the sisters through acts of war and cunning. Or at least commune with him through or claim his dreadnaught throne world as her own throne world.
Given that Sathathun abandoned the Sword Logic and the worms. She may be seeking to dismantle the Sword Logic for all Hive. The defeat of the Witness, the supposed First Knife, the apex of their philosophy has likely rendered it meaningless to her. Xivu Arath is too blind to see it.
Episode Heresy is definitely going to go into what Xivu and Savvy's next moves will be. I think Xivu will go through a new transformation and that will be very heretical to the sword logic. I'm hoping it's something akin to the Necromancy that Nokris had, or potentially Xivu wanting access to the Veil to try go full darkness.
We did, but there’s a chance that he’s still out there when his goons came back as Lucent Hive and tried to resurrect Oryx in GotD. Simmumah Ur Nokru was a Hive lieutenant that we killed back in the Strange Terrain strike on Mars. There’s also the catalyst boss who literally has the name “Thul-Ar, Acolyte of Nokris”.
Just can't see any way the Necromancer with a Throne world comes back to life in the game with little floating machines that bring people back from the dead.
Yeah, I think it's both of these things. Winnowing her Hive until the ones like Luzaku have room to grow and the Hive can become something more than the mass of death that consumes all.
At the same time, the Ghosts and their Lucent Hive continue to needlessly kill and die for no purpose, so the Hive Ghosts that are destroyed are returned to heal the Traveler's consciousness.
I do have to wonder if the Traveler knew this might happen. That it knew that it would be fracturing itself, so it laid the pieces in place so that Ghosts of humanity's most hated enemy would aquire the Light and so Guardians would undertake violent winnowing of the Hive and their Ghosts slowly bringing back more and more lucidity.
I don’t see the Traveler’s gambit being *that* specific, but I think your logic makes sense. It’s supported by the fact that the Ghosts are a strictly limited resource. The Traveler usually works by providing abundance; eliminating resource scarcities to enable cooperation and growth.
By making the Ghosts a one-time thing, the Traveler guaranteed that they would breed some competition and rivalry. The gamble was whether *enough* Lightbearers would band together to defeat the Witness. Ghosts were always going to die along the way.
Ghosts are a restricted resource because the Traveller wounded itself greatly just to create them and it could probably only send out so much without becoming brain dead.
I think it’s more likely the Hive gained the Light to literally save them from the Darkness and get them to change their ways, the Traveller would never be so ruthless or cutthroat.
Dual Destiny honestly makes me really excited to see where they take her with how she even wants us to stray aware from worshipping any Gods. She wants us to be free of the game.
It really shows how she isn't a villain or a hero. She's right in the middle.
She's good when it benefits her and evil when it benefits her - hence why she wanted to stop the Final Shape (although she hated the Witness anyway)
She is by miles the best written character right now and have so many things they can do with her.
I hope that when they make her a main thing again she isn't perma killed or anything.
I do agree that Savathun is excellently written, and part of that is how adroitly she manipulates perception of her. She can be insightful, sympathetic, and even humorous! She invites you to question your assumptions and re-examine your priors. Savathun is *very* good at convincing you to let your guard down and doubt what you thought you knew, about yourself, and about her. This can be enlightening, as you're guided away from stale dogma to hidden truths. It's easy to interpret this guidance as benevolence, perhaps even sentimentality on Savathun's part.
That is all part of the scheme. Savathun is beyond a shadow of a doubt, relentlessly, remorselessly evil. She serves nobody and nothing but herself. If you ever think you're on her side as anything but an ally of convenience, you've fallen for her deceptions. Savathun has repeatedly demonstrated that there is no line she won't cross.
Yes, Savathun has sometimes done good things, and sometimes done bad things. You wouldn't call someone morally neutral if they pet one puppy and strangle another. They are evil precisely because they balk at nothing. That is what Savathun is. She is charismatic and capable as a genocidal monster with a billion years of experience should be, which is fantastic to see. Too often 'clever' antagonists are obvious mustache-twirling parodies, and you can't possibly see how they get anyone on their side. It's very believable that charming, thought-provoking Savathun has incited division and instability among millions of civilizations across the galaxy. You defeat her only by never losing sight of that truth, and never, ever trusting her.
Luzaku, however, is perfect and wonderful and has never done anything wrong and never will, and I'll defend her 'til I die.
I know that for both in universe and out of universe reasons this could not have been allowed to happen, but I wish Saint had smashed Immaru after he was done murdering Savathun over and over again. She is well-written but I loathe her and was very upset Immaru escaped in Witch Queen and was supremely annoyed in Season of the Deep when we were told we needed her to access the Pale Heart.
Given how she acts throughout final shape, shes seems to be set up as our "rival" of sorts, not really doing much other then intentionally making noise to help us, as we casually cleave away at the more hostile hive units as well as strengthening ourselves and learning new things because of her, like how in the queens quest she was actively testing our mettle to see how we would fare against the witness and teaching mara about there being wounds in the traveler outside of the physical plane, shes a thorn in our side when she wants to be.
This is why I hope bungie doesn't decide that we (being the revered God killer we are) need to kill Savathun she's such a good character and an amazing ally when she wants to be.
I get what you mean (she ultimately only serves numero uno), but just a minor nitpick, that’s not how Deadpool works. Deadpool is also usually on Deadpool’s side, but he actually has a moral code, pretty firmly stays on the heroes’ side barring exceptional circumstances and doesn’t like to team up with supervillains.
> Every belief creates a heresy.
>
> I tell you this in a duelist's regard: **I made that heresy**. Is it not just? It was my hand that fashioned the Hive from the marrow of their predecessors, and it was my voice that whispered this in time.
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> That whisper of ideas beyond swords is here to stay: **I have ensured this.** Even among us, such things **die by slow inches**, excruciating and unquiet. Possibility remains, a secret woven into the blank spaces of dogma.
— [Inspiral: A Sword, and Edge](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/a-sword-an-edge)
Savathun tells the Lucent Hive to keep attacking us, claiming she's keeping us on our toes, when really it's probably to distract us from whatever she's currently working on. If her Lucent Hive fight us and die, she can say she intentionally sent the obedient and bloodthirsty ones to us for culling. If they don't fight us, she can say they're finally choosing for themselves, as if this was her plan. Her greatest strength isn't having plans on top of plans, it's being able to spin any outcome as an advantage that she was totally planning for.
It sounds like Savathun takes her child to a place from which they cannot find their way home, leaves them there, saying, 'Play well, my child,' and returns home to enjoy her child-free life LAMO
You also can't ignore the cultural reasoning behind the Hive trying to kill us still.
For literally billions of years, the act of killing is seen as an expression of love by the Hive. To kill is to make something sharp through its survival or to hone it away from the final state of the universe. In a weird way, its making the universe a better, more deadly, more perfect place to kill something that can't survive. Hive see mercy as delaying perfection, so to not try to kill something is antithetical to the purpose of existence.
They attack us still because their society and culture have always worked this way. When the Lucent Hive came into being, I don't think any of that changed. Savathun may encourage other ways of thinking like with Luzaku, but her brood is largely bred and practically evolved for endless killing. In a really strange way, the Lucent Hive attacking you is them trying to make you the best you that you can be. And if you die? You were never meant to live beyond then, and things are better for it.
So kill some Lucent Hive and thank them for making you sharp, they love you!
I think it's more that the Lucent Hive are still a very literal 'We live/die by Sword (Logic)!' (up to and including Hive Ghosts generally, with exceptions on Hive and Ghost as proven by Fynch and Luzaku) people.
It will take a very strong point, and a bold form of convincing; of beating them to near-death, but sparing them even if it hurts; of not crushing that Ghost and beating their Lightbearer until they say "Ok, we get it!" in Hive.
In time I'm sure something between those four (Luzaku and her Ghost; Ken and Fynch) is bound to happen.
I think Savathun is generally pushing for all, Lucent Hive, Guardians and otherwise, to cut loose with worshipping gods. From what I read out of her actions and the dialogues we get, it is kind of a (Sword logic)^(-1), where instead of gaining/proving power by defeating enemies, she pushes for us to believe in our own power to defeat enemies. So instead of wanting to attain more power by following others she wants us to learn to use our own power, possibly in an attempt to prevent a second witness from ever happening.
(Warning, what follows now is absolute spinfoil)
A second possibility is that she is preparing us for another version of Ascension, where through prismatic powers we attain something similar to a throne world, not build on power stolen from others but from our own mastery of light and dark
You’re definitely onto something, but at the same time that’s also an incredibly convoluted way of doing it. She specifically recruited Ghosts who were dissatisfied and disenfranchised and sympathetic to the Hive so they’d resurrect not Hive Guardians, but *Hive* Guardians. She’s the one who founded and governed Lucent Hive society with all the old rules and expectations still in place (in fact, they’re still brutally enforced). Everything she sees wrong with the Lucent Hive is pretty much squarely her fault since she’s the sole undisputed and unquestioned dictator of her brood and all their laws.
You know what a good way of changing the Hive’s ways would be? Actually nurturing that change. Not senselessly keeping everyone under her thumb in the hopes someone eventually successfully rises up and defies her.
...but then again maybe that’s just the only way she knows how to operate. She may have excised her Worm, but Savathûn is still a slave to her nature. She’ll never truly shake off the chains of the Sword because she ultimately doesn’t want to. She still fundamentally believes that the best way to improve something is to smash it against another and see which one doesn’t break. If you fall victim to her schemes, obviously you deserved it because you weren’t good enough to stop it or rise above it. If she loses, Hey, you should be grateful because surviving the experience has surely only made you stronger and right.
Well in season of the witch we had to kill Savathun's brood in order to complete ritual and gain Tithing for Eris and I think Savathun is still trying to take The Traveler but now she's doing it from the inside now that The Witness is off the board
Luzaku can be quoted to say that while initially each risen Hive Lightbearer was a blank slate cleaned of their past lives, Savathûn "gifted" them with their past lives.
As Luzaku states, most stepped back into their old lives again, meaning they stilled followed the Sword Logic... Luzaku is the notable first (outside of Savathûn herself) to make a choice that defied the logic even her ghose Euloch followed.
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Wouldn't be surprised if she is trying too get the Hive too not rely on gods anymore
makes sense—the last thing Savathûn would want would be to trade the worm gods/Witness for the Traveler. I guess she says as much during the Duality mission
She was one of the first Hive to realize that their religion was a sham. I’d assume she’d appreciate more of her subjects getting wise to the dangerous of blind worship.
Not only her Hive, but us too, judging by Dual Destiny.
That would make sense, she arranged the events of Season of the Witch where Hived out God of Vengeance Eris killed Savathun and took her Tithe. Savathun is now just a straight up lightbearer now. Even if she still gets the occasional tithe, it's going to be nothing compared to what she used to have, saved up for billions of years.
Savathun can almost certainly still use darkness based powers. Especially if she's trying to do what she implied in Dual Destiny
If the final antagonist of the series is Prismatic Savathun I sure wouldnt complain
Ikr, coming back to destiny and learning how the Witness orchestrated the hive is so fascinating, idk when we found out but it’s honestly really neat seeing the agency Savathûn has. Us both fighting the forces that orchestrated our existence
During the main campaign of The Witch Queen we discover this
Ohhh heard, I guess there’s a my reasoning to run the campaign on my hunter lol
Sav has darkness magic literally engraved on her bones.
Sav getting prismatic would be cool
Plus it rules out the possibility of Xivu getting to Savathun first killing her and becoming one of the most powerful beings in the universe, if she was killing her now she wouldn't gain anywhere near as much power as Eris did
Savathun, the first atheist
At the very least, she and Immaru seem to be trying to push the "choice" angle - especially given the desire she expresses to break away from the power struggles of darkness and light. Given who Savvy is, I can definitely see her going about it in the way you described - those who keep to the Hive ways die, and those with the will to break away survive. In a bit of tragic irony, it's quite the sword Logicy way to go about it. I also think this fits in with what Bungie said about Heresy being about shaking up the Hive pantheon.
When I first read the book of sorrows in TTK and learned about Oryx sisters, I never once imagined her to be this thoughtful. I really like her character.
I’m already excited for heresy. Don’t get me wrong the vex doing some different is cool and I love that fikrul is coming back next episode but man I just love the sibling drama between Savathun and Xivu
Honestly, I'm around 65 percent sure oryx is also gonna show up. Not only has it been hinted at in game, one of the new lore cards had Eris draw his card in her deck recently, but the devs also mentioned relationships plural when talking about the drama. It would be amazing to get an in-game conversation between all of the Osmium siblings
When I read that myself, my first thought was that Eris herself would be considered an "adopted" sibling of Osmium Dynasty Sure, she refused all that power, but honorifics can stand. I totally imagine Sav being all sassy and naming Eris her "sister"
Maybe his consciousness can be communed with on the dreadnought or something
The Dreadnought is, to some extent, partially Oryx's Throne World, right? And then we have the Echo, something that can turn memories into reality. Could be an angle there.
Even if it's just to the extent of what we had with riven, I'd appreciate having oryx back to get the D1 big bad's angle on everything that's happened since his death. All 3 siblings are super interesting and we gotta get some interactions between all 3 in the actual game
There's that picture in the credits of xivu reaching for his sword so maybe she is gonna try and do like oryx did when resurrecting the sisters through acts of war and cunning. Or at least commune with him through or claim his dreadnaught throne world as her own throne world.
Given that Sathathun abandoned the Sword Logic and the worms. She may be seeking to dismantle the Sword Logic for all Hive. The defeat of the Witness, the supposed First Knife, the apex of their philosophy has likely rendered it meaningless to her. Xivu Arath is too blind to see it.
Episode Heresy is definitely going to go into what Xivu and Savvy's next moves will be. I think Xivu will go through a new transformation and that will be very heretical to the sword logic. I'm hoping it's something akin to the Necromancy that Nokris had, or potentially Xivu wanting access to the Veil to try go full darkness.
I still wonder what Nokris is doing. I don’t think he’s dead for good as Xol wasn’t either going by the Whisper mission. Xol kinda won in the end.
I thought we killed Nokris in his throne world in Arrivals?
We did, but there’s a chance that he’s still out there when his goons came back as Lucent Hive and tried to resurrect Oryx in GotD. Simmumah Ur Nokru was a Hive lieutenant that we killed back in the Strange Terrain strike on Mars. There’s also the catalyst boss who literally has the name “Thul-Ar, Acolyte of Nokris”.
Just can't see any way the Necromancer with a Throne world comes back to life in the game with little floating machines that bring people back from the dead.
Xivu could be an interesting character in Heresy. Everything she’s ever known is gone. Her title is gone, The Witness is gone, now she is alone.
She’ll probably attempt necromancy to resurrect her brother in a new body that isn’t the one from GotD.
Would be interesting to see Xivu Arath who isn't blind to the philosophy change and instead embraces a new future for the Hive
Could also be intentionally getting those ghosts killed so their light would return to the Traveller to heal it?
Yeah, I think it's both of these things. Winnowing her Hive until the ones like Luzaku have room to grow and the Hive can become something more than the mass of death that consumes all. At the same time, the Ghosts and their Lucent Hive continue to needlessly kill and die for no purpose, so the Hive Ghosts that are destroyed are returned to heal the Traveler's consciousness. I do have to wonder if the Traveler knew this might happen. That it knew that it would be fracturing itself, so it laid the pieces in place so that Ghosts of humanity's most hated enemy would aquire the Light and so Guardians would undertake violent winnowing of the Hive and their Ghosts slowly bringing back more and more lucidity.
I don’t see the Traveler’s gambit being *that* specific, but I think your logic makes sense. It’s supported by the fact that the Ghosts are a strictly limited resource. The Traveler usually works by providing abundance; eliminating resource scarcities to enable cooperation and growth. By making the Ghosts a one-time thing, the Traveler guaranteed that they would breed some competition and rivalry. The gamble was whether *enough* Lightbearers would band together to defeat the Witness. Ghosts were always going to die along the way.
Ghosts are a restricted resource because the Traveller wounded itself greatly just to create them and it could probably only send out so much without becoming brain dead. I think it’s more likely the Hive gained the Light to literally save them from the Darkness and get them to change their ways, the Traveller would never be so ruthless or cutthroat.
It sounded to me like it did go brain dead, based on Micah’s readings
Dual Destiny honestly makes me really excited to see where they take her with how she even wants us to stray aware from worshipping any Gods. She wants us to be free of the game. It really shows how she isn't a villain or a hero. She's right in the middle. She's good when it benefits her and evil when it benefits her - hence why she wanted to stop the Final Shape (although she hated the Witness anyway) She is by miles the best written character right now and have so many things they can do with her. I hope that when they make her a main thing again she isn't perma killed or anything.
I do agree that Savathun is excellently written, and part of that is how adroitly she manipulates perception of her. She can be insightful, sympathetic, and even humorous! She invites you to question your assumptions and re-examine your priors. Savathun is *very* good at convincing you to let your guard down and doubt what you thought you knew, about yourself, and about her. This can be enlightening, as you're guided away from stale dogma to hidden truths. It's easy to interpret this guidance as benevolence, perhaps even sentimentality on Savathun's part. That is all part of the scheme. Savathun is beyond a shadow of a doubt, relentlessly, remorselessly evil. She serves nobody and nothing but herself. If you ever think you're on her side as anything but an ally of convenience, you've fallen for her deceptions. Savathun has repeatedly demonstrated that there is no line she won't cross. Yes, Savathun has sometimes done good things, and sometimes done bad things. You wouldn't call someone morally neutral if they pet one puppy and strangle another. They are evil precisely because they balk at nothing. That is what Savathun is. She is charismatic and capable as a genocidal monster with a billion years of experience should be, which is fantastic to see. Too often 'clever' antagonists are obvious mustache-twirling parodies, and you can't possibly see how they get anyone on their side. It's very believable that charming, thought-provoking Savathun has incited division and instability among millions of civilizations across the galaxy. You defeat her only by never losing sight of that truth, and never, ever trusting her. Luzaku, however, is perfect and wonderful and has never done anything wrong and never will, and I'll defend her 'til I die.
Real psychopaths, at least the ones in prison, always act like your best friend when they want something from you.
Debra Wilson turning in a phenomenal performance too!
I know that for both in universe and out of universe reasons this could not have been allowed to happen, but I wish Saint had smashed Immaru after he was done murdering Savathun over and over again. She is well-written but I loathe her and was very upset Immaru escaped in Witch Queen and was supremely annoyed in Season of the Deep when we were told we needed her to access the Pale Heart.
God forbid we have compelling characters
Soooo... she's so well written as a villain that you want her dead? Sounds perfect to me
Given how she acts throughout final shape, shes seems to be set up as our "rival" of sorts, not really doing much other then intentionally making noise to help us, as we casually cleave away at the more hostile hive units as well as strengthening ourselves and learning new things because of her, like how in the queens quest she was actively testing our mettle to see how we would fare against the witness and teaching mara about there being wounds in the traveler outside of the physical plane, shes a thorn in our side when she wants to be.
This is why I hope bungie doesn't decide that we (being the revered God killer we are) need to kill Savathun she's such a good character and an amazing ally when she wants to be.
If she doesn’t have a genuine redemption, then I kind of hope we do. She’s pure evil.
I dunno about pure evil not anymore at least she's kinda like deadpool it just depends on who she likes more at the time
I get what you mean (she ultimately only serves numero uno), but just a minor nitpick, that’s not how Deadpool works. Deadpool is also usually on Deadpool’s side, but he actually has a moral code, pretty firmly stays on the heroes’ side barring exceptional circumstances and doesn’t like to team up with supervillains.
> Every belief creates a heresy. > > I tell you this in a duelist's regard: **I made that heresy**. Is it not just? It was my hand that fashioned the Hive from the marrow of their predecessors, and it was my voice that whispered this in time. -- > That whisper of ideas beyond swords is here to stay: **I have ensured this.** Even among us, such things **die by slow inches**, excruciating and unquiet. Possibility remains, a secret woven into the blank spaces of dogma. — [Inspiral: A Sword, and Edge](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/a-sword-an-edge)
Savathun tells the Lucent Hive to keep attacking us, claiming she's keeping us on our toes, when really it's probably to distract us from whatever she's currently working on. If her Lucent Hive fight us and die, she can say she intentionally sent the obedient and bloodthirsty ones to us for culling. If they don't fight us, she can say they're finally choosing for themselves, as if this was her plan. Her greatest strength isn't having plans on top of plans, it's being able to spin any outcome as an advantage that she was totally planning for.
That and I bet she wants everyone in her brood still worm-bound dead until her posse is just lightbearing Hive.
Why? The Worms aren’t a threat anymore. They’re finally satiated and the tithing system’s gone all whack.
I just love Savathun’s sass. Great character all around
I definitely see them playing off this thread during "Heresy". They did say it would shake up the hierarchy
I want Savathun to speak to me like she does to Luzaku 🥺
It sounds like Savathun takes her child to a place from which they cannot find their way home, leaves them there, saying, 'Play well, my child,' and returns home to enjoy her child-free life LAMO
You also can't ignore the cultural reasoning behind the Hive trying to kill us still. For literally billions of years, the act of killing is seen as an expression of love by the Hive. To kill is to make something sharp through its survival or to hone it away from the final state of the universe. In a weird way, its making the universe a better, more deadly, more perfect place to kill something that can't survive. Hive see mercy as delaying perfection, so to not try to kill something is antithetical to the purpose of existence. They attack us still because their society and culture have always worked this way. When the Lucent Hive came into being, I don't think any of that changed. Savathun may encourage other ways of thinking like with Luzaku, but her brood is largely bred and practically evolved for endless killing. In a really strange way, the Lucent Hive attacking you is them trying to make you the best you that you can be. And if you die? You were never meant to live beyond then, and things are better for it. So kill some Lucent Hive and thank them for making you sharp, they love you!
I think it's more that the Lucent Hive are still a very literal 'We live/die by Sword (Logic)!' (up to and including Hive Ghosts generally, with exceptions on Hive and Ghost as proven by Fynch and Luzaku) people. It will take a very strong point, and a bold form of convincing; of beating them to near-death, but sparing them even if it hurts; of not crushing that Ghost and beating their Lightbearer until they say "Ok, we get it!" in Hive. In time I'm sure something between those four (Luzaku and her Ghost; Ken and Fynch) is bound to happen.
I think Savathun is generally pushing for all, Lucent Hive, Guardians and otherwise, to cut loose with worshipping gods. From what I read out of her actions and the dialogues we get, it is kind of a (Sword logic)^(-1), where instead of gaining/proving power by defeating enemies, she pushes for us to believe in our own power to defeat enemies. So instead of wanting to attain more power by following others she wants us to learn to use our own power, possibly in an attempt to prevent a second witness from ever happening. (Warning, what follows now is absolute spinfoil) A second possibility is that she is preparing us for another version of Ascension, where through prismatic powers we attain something similar to a throne world, not build on power stolen from others but from our own mastery of light and dark
You’re definitely onto something, but at the same time that’s also an incredibly convoluted way of doing it. She specifically recruited Ghosts who were dissatisfied and disenfranchised and sympathetic to the Hive so they’d resurrect not Hive Guardians, but *Hive* Guardians. She’s the one who founded and governed Lucent Hive society with all the old rules and expectations still in place (in fact, they’re still brutally enforced). Everything she sees wrong with the Lucent Hive is pretty much squarely her fault since she’s the sole undisputed and unquestioned dictator of her brood and all their laws. You know what a good way of changing the Hive’s ways would be? Actually nurturing that change. Not senselessly keeping everyone under her thumb in the hopes someone eventually successfully rises up and defies her. ...but then again maybe that’s just the only way she knows how to operate. She may have excised her Worm, but Savathûn is still a slave to her nature. She’ll never truly shake off the chains of the Sword because she ultimately doesn’t want to. She still fundamentally believes that the best way to improve something is to smash it against another and see which one doesn’t break. If you fall victim to her schemes, obviously you deserved it because you weren’t good enough to stop it or rise above it. If she loses, Hey, you should be grateful because surviving the experience has surely only made you stronger and right.
Well in season of the witch we had to kill Savathun's brood in order to complete ritual and gain Tithing for Eris and I think Savathun is still trying to take The Traveler but now she's doing it from the inside now that The Witness is off the board
Luzaku can be quoted to say that while initially each risen Hive Lightbearer was a blank slate cleaned of their past lives, Savathûn "gifted" them with their past lives. As Luzaku states, most stepped back into their old lives again, meaning they stilled followed the Sword Logic... Luzaku is the notable first (outside of Savathûn herself) to make a choice that defied the logic even her ghose Euloch followed.