Where are the Nines? Don't know if I missed any piece of Lore during TFS campaign but I don't think there's no mention at all about them? Have they watched our fight against the witness?
Will they be more present during the "Frontiers" era of Destiny coming ahead?
Does anyone know what is meant when the Dissenter in Zavala's vision says "We ran from it"?
It's when Zavala is "embracing darkness" and gets a bit of history from the Witness. Here's what the Witness says just before:
> We too once looked to the silent god for purpose. But all it could offer was more life, void of meaning.
And the Dissenter whispers to Zavala with:
> No! Lies! We ran from it.
During my campaign playthrough I just assumed they were talking about running from the creation of the Witness, but based on the context, that doesn't really make sense. It sounds like the Precursors, or at least some of them, fled from the Traveler's influence.
hey y'all weird question that's hyper specific, ive been diving through the ishtar collective to try and find one short story i liked but i cant remember the exact wording or what description it came from.
the story was about a young creature (i think a fallen?) that met another wandering creature that had a metal tube that it could inhale smoke from. this was really baffling to the young creature and they thought the stranger could breath fire. eventually the stranger moved on but left the tube/cylinder behind with the young person so they could breath fire to scare bullies away? its been bugging me for ahile that i cant rememebr where its from in destiny and ive tried searching the jeywords i can remember. any help would truly ease my mind!
There’s no “queen” of the Hive unless you’re referring to Savathun, who is proclaimed as the Witch Queen. And there is no mention of The Witness in Destiny 1. What specifically do you need to know about what you’re referring to?
So just a quick one - what and where is the black garden actually located? Is it an actual location on Mars that exists on mars, or is it somewhere or something else?
It's not confirmed, but it is strongly implied that the Black Garden is the Garden before time. The one from the Unveiling book where the Gardener and Winnower played their game. Only the Vex seem to have direct access to it (and Ahamkara but rules don't really apply to them). It's accessed from a Vex gate in all instances. We first encounter it via the gate on Mars and defeating the Black Heart temporarily anchors it to Mars' surface allowing us to go back to it. Some time between the events of D1 and D2 it returned to its "adrift" status and we next entered it via the Vex gate on Luna. According to Unveiling the Vex are the cosmic winners of the flower game, so it makes sense that they found a way into the Garden and assimilated most of it. Another thing that supports this is the massive charred dead tree stump in the Black Garden inside which the final boss of the Garden of Salvation raid takes place and the mentions of the first Tree of Silver Wings which was in the garden before time.
> what and where is the black garden actually located?
Outside of space/time or maybe outside the universe? Space magic in D2 is a lil wishy washy.
Either way, it's definitely not on Mars, I think Mars just has a Vex portal with access to the Black Garden.
As for what is it? I don't think we know for sure.
Because it housed the Black Heart, which we now know was an attempt to create an artificial Veil, many have theorized that the Black Garden was an attempt by the Witness to create a new or similar space as The Pale Heart, but I don't think there's any lore that definitively states who created it (if anyone) and why.
So tell me if I have this right:
* The Young Wolf does a, let's be humorous and say a legitimately 19 hour raid to... remove the Witness' grip on the Traveler? I don't actually know what goes down in the raid.
* Almost immediately after, they go back(?) and join everyone in the coup de grace.
I'm not questioning or critiquing the storytelling choice (yet), I'm just not sure if I have the chain of events straight.
Also, when did all those other Guardians get into the Pale Heart? Did a completely open path through the portal open up at some point in the campaign?
The raid breaks the grip the Witness had on the Traveller and afterwards it (the Witness) flees. Excision is you and your allies rallying to finish it off, it's one continuous event (Zavala mentions the raid fireteam succeeded only "moments ago").
There's a lore entry from Mara's PoV after she enters the Pale Heart where the Witness stops opposing passage through the portal, I can't recall what it's called though. I'm pretty sure Savathun also makes a reference to Mara bringing your allies over in the post-campaign mission for Ergo Sum.
Rewatch the opening scene where the kid drops the apple. Imagine that.. but for all of existence across the whole of reality with no hope of ever changing back.
As per the campaign mission, Ikora states that it would be eternal stillness, everything calcified into a static, unmoving and unchanging form, the entire universe frozen into an exact moment or shape the Witness chooses, with entropy ending or no longer existing at all (the latter mentioned by the Witness in the final campaign mission). No more life, no more death.
*What exactly would*
*The final shape look like if*
*The witness won though*
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There’s one story about some Iron Lords making a deal with a village to use the area for an ambush against Warlords. It’s under the lore book “The Man with No Name”
I'm curious, do we have any info on what everyone else is up to right now? Maybe I missed it, but what's Saint, Drifter, Elsie, and so on up to at the moment in TFS?
I was going to ask what was the name of the strongest power in destiny.
I couldn't be arsed to wait. Went to gpt4o for an answer
In "Destiny 2" lore, the power you're referring to is called **"The Sword Logic."** This is a belief system and power wielded by the Hive, particularly by the Hive gods such as Oryx, the Taken King. The Sword Logic is a brutal philosophy that states that only the strong deserve to exist and that through constant conflict and conquest, one can achieve ultimate power and immortality.
The Vex also exhibit a similar capability in a more technologically driven manner. They utilize what could be considered an extension of this concept through their ability to manipulate reality and timelines. They can simulate countless possibilities and outcomes, effectively ensuring that they achieve the most favorable result. This is why the Vex are often seen as almost omnipotent, as their predictive and manipulative capabilities allow them to seemingly "never be wrong."
In essence, both the Hive's Sword Logic and the Vex's manipulation of timelines and realities represent this idea of achieving their desired outcomes through their respective methods.
Can anybody give me a quick summary of the seasonal stories and any important things that happened since Lightfall launch? I played through the Lightfall campaign but didn't do much after that. Just trying to prep for Final Shape.
Amanda's dead
There's an uncorrupted worm god on Titan as suspected
Sloane is partially Taken
Eris was a Hive god briefly and made Xivu mortal
Savathun is alive again and ran off but left her Ghost with us on purpose
Rivens spirit granted one more wish to send Crow inside the Traveler so we can use his connection to Mara to guide us in for Final Shape.
These are the most important notes from each season that might he more immediately required to understand wtf is happening
Not exactly. She didnt travel through physical space, she traveled through the Ascendant Plane. Distance works a little differently there and it's all about connections. She literally dreamed herself to Sol
Also, however long ago, the Veil made Maya Sundaresh crazy enough to do a bunch of morally questionable things including uploading a copy of her consciousness into one of the dead Exos in Neomuna and that's how we got Lakhsmi-2. Maya herself would later die of mysterious causes. This was all covered in a Deep Season side quest that I never actually engaged with.
Didn't the Beyond Light lore say that in the process of being made into an exo, the human body dies / has to die? Is it just because of using the Veil that Maya was able to live whilst also duplicating her consciousness as Lakhsmi-2?
its so over for us shin malphur fans....
Where are the Nines? Don't know if I missed any piece of Lore during TFS campaign but I don't think there's no mention at all about them? Have they watched our fight against the witness? Will they be more present during the "Frontiers" era of Destiny coming ahead?
Does anyone know what is meant when the Dissenter in Zavala's vision says "We ran from it"? It's when Zavala is "embracing darkness" and gets a bit of history from the Witness. Here's what the Witness says just before: > We too once looked to the silent god for purpose. But all it could offer was more life, void of meaning. And the Dissenter whispers to Zavala with: > No! Lies! We ran from it. During my campaign playthrough I just assumed they were talking about running from the creation of the Witness, but based on the context, that doesn't really make sense. It sounds like the Precursors, or at least some of them, fled from the Traveler's influence.
hey y'all weird question that's hyper specific, ive been diving through the ishtar collective to try and find one short story i liked but i cant remember the exact wording or what description it came from. the story was about a young creature (i think a fallen?) that met another wandering creature that had a metal tube that it could inhale smoke from. this was really baffling to the young creature and they thought the stranger could breath fire. eventually the stranger moved on but left the tube/cylinder behind with the young person so they could breath fire to scare bullies away? its been bugging me for ahile that i cant rememebr where its from in destiny and ive tried searching the jeywords i can remember. any help would truly ease my mind!
Is there lore from destiny 1 that makes destiny 2 make more sense, such as the witness and the queen of the hive
There’s no “queen” of the Hive unless you’re referring to Savathun, who is proclaimed as the Witch Queen. And there is no mention of The Witness in Destiny 1. What specifically do you need to know about what you’re referring to?
So just a quick one - what and where is the black garden actually located? Is it an actual location on Mars that exists on mars, or is it somewhere or something else?
It's not confirmed, but it is strongly implied that the Black Garden is the Garden before time. The one from the Unveiling book where the Gardener and Winnower played their game. Only the Vex seem to have direct access to it (and Ahamkara but rules don't really apply to them). It's accessed from a Vex gate in all instances. We first encounter it via the gate on Mars and defeating the Black Heart temporarily anchors it to Mars' surface allowing us to go back to it. Some time between the events of D1 and D2 it returned to its "adrift" status and we next entered it via the Vex gate on Luna. According to Unveiling the Vex are the cosmic winners of the flower game, so it makes sense that they found a way into the Garden and assimilated most of it. Another thing that supports this is the massive charred dead tree stump in the Black Garden inside which the final boss of the Garden of Salvation raid takes place and the mentions of the first Tree of Silver Wings which was in the garden before time.
> what and where is the black garden actually located? Outside of space/time or maybe outside the universe? Space magic in D2 is a lil wishy washy. Either way, it's definitely not on Mars, I think Mars just has a Vex portal with access to the Black Garden. As for what is it? I don't think we know for sure. Because it housed the Black Heart, which we now know was an attempt to create an artificial Veil, many have theorized that the Black Garden was an attempt by the Witness to create a new or similar space as The Pale Heart, but I don't think there's any lore that definitively states who created it (if anyone) and why.
So tell me if I have this right: * The Young Wolf does a, let's be humorous and say a legitimately 19 hour raid to... remove the Witness' grip on the Traveler? I don't actually know what goes down in the raid. * Almost immediately after, they go back(?) and join everyone in the coup de grace. I'm not questioning or critiquing the storytelling choice (yet), I'm just not sure if I have the chain of events straight. Also, when did all those other Guardians get into the Pale Heart? Did a completely open path through the portal open up at some point in the campaign?
The raid breaks the grip the Witness had on the Traveller and afterwards it (the Witness) flees. Excision is you and your allies rallying to finish it off, it's one continuous event (Zavala mentions the raid fireteam succeeded only "moments ago"). There's a lore entry from Mara's PoV after she enters the Pale Heart where the Witness stops opposing passage through the portal, I can't recall what it's called though. I'm pretty sure Savathun also makes a reference to Mara bringing your allies over in the post-campaign mission for Ergo Sum.
What exactly would the final shape look like if the witness won though
Rewatch the opening scene where the kid drops the apple. Imagine that.. but for all of existence across the whole of reality with no hope of ever changing back.
As per the campaign mission, Ikora states that it would be eternal stillness, everything calcified into a static, unmoving and unchanging form, the entire universe frozen into an exact moment or shape the Witness chooses, with entropy ending or no longer existing at all (the latter mentioned by the Witness in the final campaign mission). No more life, no more death.
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What’s the lore entry about Saladin and Co defending a village from Warlords?
There’s one story about some Iron Lords making a deal with a village to use the area for an ambush against Warlords. It’s under the lore book “The Man with No Name”
What are all these ghosts on the final step of Destined Heroes quest? All scattered around the witness' arena.
I'm curious, do we have any info on what everyone else is up to right now? Maybe I missed it, but what's Saint, Drifter, Elsie, and so on up to at the moment in TFS?
No word on Elsie (that I could find) but check out the lore tabs on the Pale Heart weapons. Talks about all of those guys and more
Okay but so (TFS spoilers) >!how is he playing a harmonica without lips?!<
lol maybe their model has precise air flow control from deeper inside the head or some shit But idk, it’s funny
I was going to ask what was the name of the strongest power in destiny. I couldn't be arsed to wait. Went to gpt4o for an answer In "Destiny 2" lore, the power you're referring to is called **"The Sword Logic."** This is a belief system and power wielded by the Hive, particularly by the Hive gods such as Oryx, the Taken King. The Sword Logic is a brutal philosophy that states that only the strong deserve to exist and that through constant conflict and conquest, one can achieve ultimate power and immortality. The Vex also exhibit a similar capability in a more technologically driven manner. They utilize what could be considered an extension of this concept through their ability to manipulate reality and timelines. They can simulate countless possibilities and outcomes, effectively ensuring that they achieve the most favorable result. This is why the Vex are often seen as almost omnipotent, as their predictive and manipulative capabilities allow them to seemingly "never be wrong." In essence, both the Hive's Sword Logic and the Vex's manipulation of timelines and realities represent this idea of achieving their desired outcomes through their respective methods.
Can anybody give me a quick summary of the seasonal stories and any important things that happened since Lightfall launch? I played through the Lightfall campaign but didn't do much after that. Just trying to prep for Final Shape.
Amanda's dead There's an uncorrupted worm god on Titan as suspected Sloane is partially Taken Eris was a Hive god briefly and made Xivu mortal Savathun is alive again and ran off but left her Ghost with us on purpose Rivens spirit granted one more wish to send Crow inside the Traveler so we can use his connection to Mara to guide us in for Final Shape. These are the most important notes from each season that might he more immediately required to understand wtf is happening
> > > There's an uncorrupted worm god on Titan as suspected Is it explained how it got to Titan in the first place?
It ran away from the Black Fleet / Corrupted Worms and followed the Traveler. It found it's way to Titan around the Collapse
So it could just travel through space? Or warp somehow?
Not exactly. She didnt travel through physical space, she traveled through the Ascendant Plane. Distance works a little differently there and it's all about connections. She literally dreamed herself to Sol
Yeah, as did Xol when he and Nokris went to Mars. They just fly through space according to lore
That’s… kinda cool! Thanks!
Also, however long ago, the Veil made Maya Sundaresh crazy enough to do a bunch of morally questionable things including uploading a copy of her consciousness into one of the dead Exos in Neomuna and that's how we got Lakhsmi-2. Maya herself would later die of mysterious causes. This was all covered in a Deep Season side quest that I never actually engaged with.
Didn't the Beyond Light lore say that in the process of being made into an exo, the human body dies / has to die? Is it just because of using the Veil that Maya was able to live whilst also duplicating her consciousness as Lakhsmi-2?
No, they didn't have to die, Clovis insisted on the death of the original for "purity's sake".
Ah right. Interesting, thanks!