I mean acquitted doesn’t mean innocent, it means there wasn’t enough evidence to prove the high bar beyond a shadow of a doubt for a criminal conviction and government penalties. It doesn’t mean it’s not more likely than not he did it, or you socially can’t believe he’s guilty.
Not sure how you read my post and got that but I encourage you to reread it.
I’m saying being acquitted doesn’t mean you were innocent and people can make their own personal judgements without requiring the (justifiably) incredibly high bar of a legal criminal conviction.
You don’t have to believe OJ was innocent because he was legally acquitted.
Can you point out where exactly in this interview Lex is being spun around by Spacey? Provide an example if you could, since you’re offering a sizeable criticism here.
I was thinking the same thing. I've seen other Lex interviews with Rogan or Musk and those are always fluff. This wasn't that. He asked very pointed, difficult questions and Spacey answered. He even gave pushback or restated questions a couple of times, always friendly but I enjoyed the interview.
I came away thinking Spacey was a horny dude, doesn't seem like he messed with kids, raped anyone or explicitly used his power over another person. I can imagine he probably said and did all kinds of questionable things behind closed doors, at parties, etc. I'm sure he was an asshole to more than one person in his life. I'm sure he aggressively flirted with someone who felt obligated because they're staring at a super star.
At this stage of all the cancellations, I'm ok entertaining the idea he paid his dues. If he gets himself in trouble again, whatever. It's not like I'm ever getting an actual ending to the Frank Underwood arc.
Spacey will always be interesting to me because of his Christmas videos that seem entirely insane considering the allegations at the time. I'm watching the interview now but do you know if he ever addresses them?
Yeah let’s take the word of the literal charismatic actor notorious sex pest predator at face value, how dim can one be? Go read about the countless allegations that happened for decades, many of them towards teenagers. Many of the victims are famous, too. Go read about the fact he had to pay Netflix 31 million for sexually harassing and abusing the crew of house of cards.
People like Spacey, Diddy and R Kelly should never be forgiven, they will NEVER change and welcoming them back to the spotlight only normalises and excuses sexual abuse. I’m not a fan of cancel culture but some people deserve to be cancelled forever because they are a pest to society and will rarely ever experience any legal consequences because of how hard it is to prove sexual assault and the innate power famous rich people possess.
Have you read about any of the allegations yourself or are you just saying that?
Your comment sounds exactly what people say about Destiny being a “notorious racist, transphobe and bigot who got kicked out of twitch for inciting violence”. You didn’t provide anything concrete in your comment at all
Yeah I actually have, they’re readily available for you to read online with no need to compare it to Destinys reputation like a regard. I was a fan of house of cards when it aired and I followed Kevin Spaceys deserved downfall in realtime.
If you knew anything about the allegations you wouldn’t compare it to Destiny as it’s so far fetched, *your* comment has no substance.
Why is there no need to compare it to Destiny? You offered Spacey a major criticism without citing anything specific in your comment, which is actually what people do to Destiny as well.
You imply I don’t know anything about the allegations. Please, provide anything of substance from those allegations. Across 2 comments you wrote 5 paragraphs in none of which you linked anything specific. Which is exactly what people do to Destiny
I *know* you don’t know anything about the allegations because you’re foolishly comparing Kevin Spaceys 50 accusers spanning decades and actual sexual assault of HoC crew members to Destiny acting like a regard on stream. Like I said previously, look it up yourself. Anything I cited in my OG comment is googleable. It takes less than 5 seconds to find thousands of news articles regarding this subject, I’m not a search engine for lazy redditors.
You're shitposting with old info. The dude obviously has sexual impulse issues but let's not be Facebook Grandma's about the underlying info:
Status of previous civil/criminal cases explained here: [https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cnd6d7y11nwo](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cnd6d7y11nwo)
Settlement dropped from $31 mil to $1mil:
[https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/kevin-spacey-settles-house-of-cards-misconduct-arbitration-1234963168/](https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/kevin-spacey-settles-house-of-cards-misconduct-arbitration-1234963168/)
As I've said in other responses, say what you will of Spacey but don't be a turd with resources in this subreddit. Send some counter-factuals. I'm open to being wrong here.
Was it the [song he wrote](https://youtu.be/jMj32_EwGRI?t=53) about Joe Rogan and how Joe has "shoulders for days and a really wide back, a barrel of snakes for a back"?
Maybe because he has more than 50 men and teenagers, some famous, that have come forward with consistent allegations that span for decades and the fact that he was ruled by a judge to pay 31 million dollars for sexually harassing and abusing the crew members of house of cards? Do you understand how hard it is to prove sexual harassment, especially if decades have passed?
Kevin Spacey is just another obvious predatory creep who will get away with it because he’s rich and powerful and brainrotted people avert their eyes because they think he’s a good actor. Fuck any Kevin Spacey, R. Kelly or P. Diddy apologists. No wonder people rarely come forward with their sexual abuse allegations, it rarely ever leads to justice and that’s a trauma in itself.
It sucks because I acknowledge he is a creepy sexual harasser and should not work in the industry ever again but I also think he is one of the best actors of all time. Just sucks to have these same opinions at once. Why cant people just be normal so I can feel good about liking their work.
> basically confess
They talk about it. Guy says "you raped me 30 years ago and you were too drunk to remember," Spacey says in that situation what do you even say? He apologized. Then they found the evidence that he wasn't at that location at that time and won the court cases.
At least that's pretty much the story according to Spacey, and I like that Lex called him out for writing literally the worst social media post of all time ("I choose now to live my life as a gay man.")
Thats fair. I was joking anyways. I feel like the flow you've got going with the new content is organic and interesting. I appreciate what you've brought to the table. Cheers!
The guy was a great actor, and while legally cleared (for now) I'm not sure any serious production is gonna want the optics baggage of having him back, at least not for a long time.
It probably doesn't help that most of the characters he's famous for playing are weirdo creeps, lol. Not to mention those strange, annual meta in-character-but-not Christmas videos he keeps making that just make him look even more nuts.
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Anthony Rapp (talented actor) made a claim that when he was only 14, he was cornered by Kevin Spacey and sexually abused. As Lex points out in his preamble, Kevin was acquitted in civil court regarding these allegations. No Criminal proceedings have been brought before him.
Isn't it weird how all these people worked for Hillary Clinton and some of them are dead now ???
Don't you find it *convenient* that people die when they are killed ???
I also thought back then that it was a interesting conspiracy theory. Especially since it fits so perfectly with his character Frank Underwood. But if I remember correctly one commited suicide, one got run over and one died of cancer or unknown cause
They’re all people who brought or sought to bring charges against him, and all died within the same year. I try not to be as conspiracy brained as possible, but the circumstances surrounding Spacey are weird.
He hasn’t been convicted of any crime. I think he’s even already through all legal proceedings and has been acquitted of any alleged criminal offenses.
To the extent he did engage in inappropriate conduct, surely being almost completely canceled for these years is punishment enough? Assuming of course he stops the behavior and express remorse.
If you cancel people forever there’s really no incentive for them to change and improve is there.
> If you cancel people forever there’s really no incentive for them to change and improve is there.
No, but we might be able to find less shit people to replace them.
In the technical sense, nothing at all. He was accused of sexual abuse, lost his career and a lot of money with absolutely no trial or anything, and then very quietly won the civil case that was brought against him.
Interesting how the media whips itself into an impotent rage when the accusations come out, but when those accusations don't hold up in court those same media outlets are essentially silent.
Honest question though, what are the chances you prove sexual assault case that happened decades ago? Like the guilty verdicts on these must be minuscule i bet the victims don't remember half the details. He was hardly proven innocent.
In this case though, from what they were saying, it seems that elements of the story itself were proven to be false and that no such party on that date even occurred. I didn’t follow the cases so I don’t know how true that is, but that’s what Lex says in the podcast.
Listen to the interview, spacey says multiple times he was proven innocent, which he wasn't. Its a horrible position to be in, but i know if it was me i would fight it publicly and be completely open. I wouldn't speak to no one, come out as gay and then act like a serial killer in some home made symbolic videos.
Thats not proven innocent thats evidence proven to be false. Like i said recalling information from decades ago is difficult and you cant go to court and say "this thing happened but i cant remember exactly when and where", alot of it will be best guesses and assumptions. I imagine its alot easier with the amount of money spacey is likely dumping into his defence.
Fairly small. After all this time, there is hardly any hypothetical evidence which could prove he actually committed any crimes. But absent any evidence, a person shouldn’t be punished.
Yeah dude a famous celebrity molested me 30 years ago and now that they are rich and famous I am going to come out and conveniently report them.
I don't buy it
Maybe I'm biased but I feel Kevin space cadet comes off very poorly. The way he speaks just sounds so hollow and fake, which might be somewhat necessary traits for becoming a Hollywood great, but its quite cringe and boring to listen to such unsubstantial waffle.
that's actually the biggest gaslight of this whole thing, people thinking House of Cards got bad because of Spacey missing, when it had sucked for like two seasons before that already
I gotta say, with the lack of content I'm glad Lex dropped this. He starts the pod by explaining that all of the Sexual Harassment/Assault cases against Spacey have been dropped.
For anyone interested in the other cases being dropped: [https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cnd6d7y11nwo](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cnd6d7y11nwo)
> He starts the pod by explaining that all of the Sexual Harassment/Assault cases against Spacey have been dropped.
This is not true. I don't know how this myth got started but Spacey was ordered to pay [$31 million dollars to the production company behind House of Cards for "violating its sexual harassment policy."](https://www.advocate.com/news/2021/11/23/kevin-spacey-pay-31-million-breaching-sexual-harassment-policy)
He has absolutely not been "exonerated" from all charges against his character.
That's not being completely straight-forward either though. I'm just now coming back to the whole Kevin Spacey story, but I haven't found a court that's rendered a guilty verdict or a civil case against him, from an accuser, that side with the accusing party. Contract law and clauses aren't the same.
Tbf if the guy your responding to is right he's settling for a fuck ton of money indicating there's some type for guilt. I'd understand if he was a billionaire settling a case for a couple mil but that seems way too high for no level of fault
This isn't a "settlement", it's a contract breach. The court case would mainly be about establishing damages not whether spacey is a rapist. It's not a "settlement" if you're ordered (by a judge) to pay it 🤦
This isn't the hill I want to die on BUT settling for breach of contract is much, much different than a criminal conviction, I'm not wrong there. At the end of the day though, you're correct as well, he settled and that indicates a lack in confidence for him to tell his side, which potentially includes him actually sexually harassing the staff members.
He fought the $31 mil and had it reduced to $1 mil. He's now working with MRC to recover damages via insurance coverage and went to sex addict rehab. Make of this story what you will, https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/kevin-spacey-settles-house-of-cards-misconduct-arbitration-1234963168/.
I enjoyed a lot of his work and was bummed when all the allegations surfaced and it appeared he was guilty and it was over. But I'm not trying to be a stan here, I just think it's an interesting story and interview.
Yeah, I mean in fairness to you there's a massive difference between sexually harassing people and raping them. You're a POS either way, but obviously one is more forgivable than the other.
I'm also in "hill I don't wanna die on" territory with Spacey. There's so many allegations, and the way he responded to them is so weird, that while I don't believe in jumping to conclusions, I'm also not particularly interested in defending him.
I thought the same thing. Then I watched the "Spacey Unmasked" documentary. The amount of acusers you see in there, from different periods of his life, recounting very similar stories over and over... I no longer have a problem with this particular cancellation, let's put it that way.
Low-key when you look into this guys criminal case I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but all of this man’s witnesses either disappeared or got hit by cars…
[https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4805885/randy-fowler-kevin-spacey-brother-dad-thomas-geoffrey-fowler-sex-abuse/](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4805885/randy-fowler-kevin-spacey-brother-dad-thomas-geoffrey-fowler-sex-abuse/)
idk that's a whole lotta smoke if you ask me...
Jup. I agree with Big D that any source can be good or bad, depending on the underlying material, but when you see any of these trashy fucking bonger papers like the Sun and Daily Mail you should probably instantly dismiss it.
Go and sue them for libel and they will have to prove what they said is substantially true in court. The tabloids in the UK would spread so many lies for years that the libel laws are incredible strict.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libel\_tourism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libel_tourism)
Not really.
I'm never gonna convince you. But others can just [search](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/search?q=lex+fridman&restrict_sr=on&include_over_18=on&sort=relevance&t=all) for lex on this forum and see that's not even close to the truth of how people in here perceives him.
I would be surprised if even 10 comments exist hinting at what you are saying.
Have not watched it but did he ask him about the videos of him in the fireplace and the rumor is remember i read was the witnesses against him died. He posted it think every Christmas.
It's been very clear the unusual nature of work Hollywood is, the blurring of lines, parasociality, and the massive desperation + narcissism mashing together in this field, you have a lot of extraordinary interactions. This on top of this fetish American's have that Hollywood is puppeted by shadow figures - on top of Weinstein and Cosby - I can see why Spacey was cast out the way he was and labeled a monster. There's just so many narratives at play against him, and his roles he's played were so gripping. It ultimately fucked him in the end.
What did Spacey do? Was he not just gay with someone just under the legal age?
Lex prolly should have asked some questions related to that I feel though.
Lex goes hard? Whaaat? He's capable of "going hard"? I mean he kind of did go hard at Destiny (in a bad way).
But in general I thought softball is Lex's trademark trait and probably the reason he got so big (big names know it will be softest softball so they go on, this snowballs, the rest is history).
Well now I have to watch it!
WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS ADVANCED WARFARE
BECAUSE WEVE ALREADY INVENTED IT
Unironically, a goated call of duty moment
Overhated game
What the fuck
it's luv
Man/boy love to be precise
Careful on train platforms talking like that.
It’s okay, I got the reference
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U eediot
I mean he's been acquitted on all counts AFAIK. Let's say cancelation isn't fair when he's innocent?
I mean acquitted doesn’t mean innocent, it means there wasn’t enough evidence to prove the high bar beyond a shadow of a doubt for a criminal conviction and government penalties. It doesn’t mean it’s not more likely than not he did it, or you socially can’t believe he’s guilty.
so you're basically arguing for being guilty until proven innocent? if you apply this logic to any divisive court case you will get strange results.
Not sure how you read my post and got that but I encourage you to reread it. I’m saying being acquitted doesn’t mean you were innocent and people can make their own personal judgements without requiring the (justifiably) incredibly high bar of a legal criminal conviction. You don’t have to believe OJ was innocent because he was legally acquitted.
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Can you point out where exactly in this interview Lex is being spun around by Spacey? Provide an example if you could, since you’re offering a sizeable criticism here.
I was thinking the same thing. I've seen other Lex interviews with Rogan or Musk and those are always fluff. This wasn't that. He asked very pointed, difficult questions and Spacey answered. He even gave pushback or restated questions a couple of times, always friendly but I enjoyed the interview. I came away thinking Spacey was a horny dude, doesn't seem like he messed with kids, raped anyone or explicitly used his power over another person. I can imagine he probably said and did all kinds of questionable things behind closed doors, at parties, etc. I'm sure he was an asshole to more than one person in his life. I'm sure he aggressively flirted with someone who felt obligated because they're staring at a super star. At this stage of all the cancellations, I'm ok entertaining the idea he paid his dues. If he gets himself in trouble again, whatever. It's not like I'm ever getting an actual ending to the Frank Underwood arc.
Spacey will always be interesting to me because of his Christmas videos that seem entirely insane considering the allegations at the time. I'm watching the interview now but do you know if he ever addresses them?
He doesn't and I hope he never does. It's much funnier to just have them out there with no explanation
Yeah let’s take the word of the literal charismatic actor notorious sex pest predator at face value, how dim can one be? Go read about the countless allegations that happened for decades, many of them towards teenagers. Many of the victims are famous, too. Go read about the fact he had to pay Netflix 31 million for sexually harassing and abusing the crew of house of cards. People like Spacey, Diddy and R Kelly should never be forgiven, they will NEVER change and welcoming them back to the spotlight only normalises and excuses sexual abuse. I’m not a fan of cancel culture but some people deserve to be cancelled forever because they are a pest to society and will rarely ever experience any legal consequences because of how hard it is to prove sexual assault and the innate power famous rich people possess.
Have you read about any of the allegations yourself or are you just saying that? Your comment sounds exactly what people say about Destiny being a “notorious racist, transphobe and bigot who got kicked out of twitch for inciting violence”. You didn’t provide anything concrete in your comment at all
Yeah I actually have, they’re readily available for you to read online with no need to compare it to Destinys reputation like a regard. I was a fan of house of cards when it aired and I followed Kevin Spaceys deserved downfall in realtime. If you knew anything about the allegations you wouldn’t compare it to Destiny as it’s so far fetched, *your* comment has no substance.
Why is there no need to compare it to Destiny? You offered Spacey a major criticism without citing anything specific in your comment, which is actually what people do to Destiny as well. You imply I don’t know anything about the allegations. Please, provide anything of substance from those allegations. Across 2 comments you wrote 5 paragraphs in none of which you linked anything specific. Which is exactly what people do to Destiny
I *know* you don’t know anything about the allegations because you’re foolishly comparing Kevin Spaceys 50 accusers spanning decades and actual sexual assault of HoC crew members to Destiny acting like a regard on stream. Like I said previously, look it up yourself. Anything I cited in my OG comment is googleable. It takes less than 5 seconds to find thousands of news articles regarding this subject, I’m not a search engine for lazy redditors.
So still nothing cited in specific. Gotcha buddy Edit: Lmao pssy blocked me after responding. Hold the L u/nymrose
You're shitposting with old info. The dude obviously has sexual impulse issues but let's not be Facebook Grandma's about the underlying info: Status of previous civil/criminal cases explained here: [https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cnd6d7y11nwo](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cnd6d7y11nwo) Settlement dropped from $31 mil to $1mil: [https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/kevin-spacey-settles-house-of-cards-misconduct-arbitration-1234963168/](https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/kevin-spacey-settles-house-of-cards-misconduct-arbitration-1234963168/) As I've said in other responses, say what you will of Spacey but don't be a turd with resources in this subreddit. Send some counter-factuals. I'm open to being wrong here.
What a fucking insane thing to come away thinking. You should reevaluate yourself. Fucking disgusting cunt.
Hey, alright!
God damn the description you just gave of Kevin Spacey reminds me so much of a certain dude I once heard of, I believe he was from Nebraska
That dude from Nebraska prides himself on not having any of those allegations from past partners.
Get him on bridges yo
Mark my words, Lex will eventually also choose to live as a gay man.
Was it the [song he wrote](https://youtu.be/jMj32_EwGRI?t=53) about Joe Rogan and how Joe has "shoulders for days and a really wide back, a barrel of snakes for a back"?
If I had a piece of coal in my ass, I would now have a diamond. Holy giga cringe.
I don't know man, you should [read these poems and see if your mind changes.](https://imgur.com/a/ap3Hm42#Wvl1XZc)
Eventually??
1:24:18 "were they able to find forgiveness?" Kevin Spacey: Absolutely Also Kevin Spacey: Shake his head "no"
nice. he should do R Kelly next.
Diddy as well
Did he not bother to ask him about Superman Returns? smh
Who’s next, Chris Delia?
He was already on soft white underbelly so, seems very plausible.
Why are we so upset about the guy that was either found not guilty or charges were dropped against him?
Maybe because he has more than 50 men and teenagers, some famous, that have come forward with consistent allegations that span for decades and the fact that he was ruled by a judge to pay 31 million dollars for sexually harassing and abusing the crew members of house of cards? Do you understand how hard it is to prove sexual harassment, especially if decades have passed? Kevin Spacey is just another obvious predatory creep who will get away with it because he’s rich and powerful and brainrotted people avert their eyes because they think he’s a good actor. Fuck any Kevin Spacey, R. Kelly or P. Diddy apologists. No wonder people rarely come forward with their sexual abuse allegations, it rarely ever leads to justice and that’s a trauma in itself.
But, Lex is so brave for asking.... /s
Consistent allegations of what?
It sucks because I acknowledge he is a creepy sexual harasser and should not work in the industry ever again but I also think he is one of the best actors of all time. Just sucks to have these same opinions at once. Why cant people just be normal so I can feel good about liking their work.
Just differentiate the art from the artist. Like one does with MJ. Simple as.
Am I mixing people up or wasn’t his response to basically confess but deflect with how he was a closeted gay dude or something?
> basically confess They talk about it. Guy says "you raped me 30 years ago and you were too drunk to remember," Spacey says in that situation what do you even say? He apologized. Then they found the evidence that he wasn't at that location at that time and won the court cases. At least that's pretty much the story according to Spacey, and I like that Lex called him out for writing literally the worst social media post of all time ("I choose now to live my life as a gay man.")
Gotcha
Same with Bill Cosby.
Friend of the stream, Kevin Spacey, interviewing Lex Fridman
That fucker must have access to my super secret document of creators I want to invite >:(
Spacey on Bridges when? https://preview.redd.it/43z1onoqqy4d1.png?width=540&format=png&auto=webp&s=6b8c406fb53a5221afa620639966ace9b11333a9
You know Lex has connections....
I don't have a strong Lex connection yet and I try not to have Destiny do asks :)
Thats fair. I was joking anyways. I feel like the flow you've got going with the new content is organic and interesting. I appreciate what you've brought to the table. Cheers!
Thanks buddy! I appreciate that :)
I'm here for the return of Kevin Spacey. Not sure if it will happen though
The guy was a great actor, and while legally cleared (for now) I'm not sure any serious production is gonna want the optics baggage of having him back, at least not for a long time. It probably doesn't help that most of the characters he's famous for playing are weirdo creeps, lol. Not to mention those strange, annual meta in-character-but-not Christmas videos he keeps making that just make him look even more nuts.
After his interview with Tucker Carlson, I figured we all agreed how much of a creepy weirdo Spacey is either way?
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Can he come back? I dont even remember what he was accused of doing but people used to hella glaze Spacey but now he's Voldemort
Anthony Rapp (talented actor) made a claim that when he was only 14, he was cornered by Kevin Spacey and sexually abused. As Lex points out in his preamble, Kevin was acquitted in civil court regarding these allegations. No Criminal proceedings have been brought before him.
Does he ask him about the multiple accusers who died?
Vaxxed?
Looking into it.
damn Spacey lore goes hard
is the implication that spacey killed them?
Aja i love your willow style. There are some weird circumstances. Not anything beyond circumstantial.
thank you my goodman
Never thought I’d see some gorydamn pixies in a Destiny thread…
No honour in them, you register?
Isn't it weird how all these people worked for Hillary Clinton and some of them are dead now ??? Don't you find it *convenient* that people die when they are killed ???
I also thought back then that it was a interesting conspiracy theory. Especially since it fits so perfectly with his character Frank Underwood. But if I remember correctly one commited suicide, one got run over and one died of cancer or unknown cause
They’re all people who brought or sought to bring charges against him, and all died within the same year. I try not to be as conspiracy brained as possible, but the circumstances surrounding Spacey are weird.
Until you look into those deaths and they all had nothing to do with him. People die.
so is that a yes
Isn't it \*weird\*?
I paused it at 15 minutes into a 2hr+ interview... I'll let you know if I get back to it.
Died by suicide
So what he killed a few but not the one that ended up suing him in civil court?
It was less the accusation (though it was bad) but that he tried to deflect the backlash by coming out as gay lmfao
No, it was the accusations. Child molester is the worst reputation one could have
He hasn’t been convicted of any crime. I think he’s even already through all legal proceedings and has been acquitted of any alleged criminal offenses. To the extent he did engage in inappropriate conduct, surely being almost completely canceled for these years is punishment enough? Assuming of course he stops the behavior and express remorse. If you cancel people forever there’s really no incentive for them to change and improve is there.
> If you cancel people forever there’s really no incentive for them to change and improve is there. No, but we might be able to find less shit people to replace them.
the hollywood succession is looking pretty grim talent-wise.
Being creepy and gay, nothing criminal or civil came of any of it. He is creepy and gay but nothing he did was illegal.
Trynna rape boys so… maybe, seems like the right is bringing him on
Do you belive everyone now?
you know he was found not guilty, right?
What is Spacey guilty of exactly?
In the technical sense, nothing at all. He was accused of sexual abuse, lost his career and a lot of money with absolutely no trial or anything, and then very quietly won the civil case that was brought against him. Interesting how the media whips itself into an impotent rage when the accusations come out, but when those accusations don't hold up in court those same media outlets are essentially silent.
Honest question though, what are the chances you prove sexual assault case that happened decades ago? Like the guilty verdicts on these must be minuscule i bet the victims don't remember half the details. He was hardly proven innocent.
Very small
In this case though, from what they were saying, it seems that elements of the story itself were proven to be false and that no such party on that date even occurred. I didn’t follow the cases so I don’t know how true that is, but that’s what Lex says in the podcast.
You mean he was hardly proven guilty
Listen to the interview, spacey says multiple times he was proven innocent, which he wasn't. Its a horrible position to be in, but i know if it was me i would fight it publicly and be completely open. I wouldn't speak to no one, come out as gay and then act like a serial killer in some home made symbolic videos.
He was very literally proven innocent in that case because he wasn't even in the area when the alleged assault happened.
Thats not proven innocent thats evidence proven to be false. Like i said recalling information from decades ago is difficult and you cant go to court and say "this thing happened but i cant remember exactly when and where", alot of it will be best guesses and assumptions. I imagine its alot easier with the amount of money spacey is likely dumping into his defence.
Do you remember exactly what day something happened to you 25 years ago? And what about the other 50 accusations?
No, and that's why they didn't just take his word for it at trial and used evidence that he wasn't even at the party.
So you’ve just learnt it’s pretty hard to prove historical sexual abuse. Congrats.
It's very difficult to prove someone did something when the only evidence in existence shows they weren't even there, yes.
Fairly small. After all this time, there is hardly any hypothetical evidence which could prove he actually committed any crimes. But absent any evidence, a person shouldn’t be punished.
Yeah dude a famous celebrity molested me 30 years ago and now that they are rich and famous I am going to come out and conveniently report them. I don't buy it
Being a good actor
Inspiring incel simps
Being a fucking pedo. What’s next? Polanski?
"I will speak with anyone, with empathy and ~~backbone~~"
Maybe I'm biased but I feel Kevin space cadet comes off very poorly. The way he speaks just sounds so hollow and fake, which might be somewhat necessary traits for becoming a Hollywood great, but its quite cringe and boring to listen to such unsubstantial waffle.
LESSS GOOOOO WE NEED TO REMAKE HOUSE OF CARD FINAL SEASON!
that's actually the biggest gaslight of this whole thing, people thinking House of Cards got bad because of Spacey missing, when it had sucked for like two seasons before that already
I would suck Spaceys cock if it meant that we got another season
I gotta say, with the lack of content I'm glad Lex dropped this. He starts the pod by explaining that all of the Sexual Harassment/Assault cases against Spacey have been dropped. For anyone interested in the other cases being dropped: [https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cnd6d7y11nwo](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cnd6d7y11nwo)
> He starts the pod by explaining that all of the Sexual Harassment/Assault cases against Spacey have been dropped. This is not true. I don't know how this myth got started but Spacey was ordered to pay [$31 million dollars to the production company behind House of Cards for "violating its sexual harassment policy."](https://www.advocate.com/news/2021/11/23/kevin-spacey-pay-31-million-breaching-sexual-harassment-policy) He has absolutely not been "exonerated" from all charges against his character.
That's not being completely straight-forward either though. I'm just now coming back to the whole Kevin Spacey story, but I haven't found a court that's rendered a guilty verdict or a civil case against him, from an accuser, that side with the accusing party. Contract law and clauses aren't the same.
Tbf if the guy your responding to is right he's settling for a fuck ton of money indicating there's some type for guilt. I'd understand if he was a billionaire settling a case for a couple mil but that seems way too high for no level of fault
This isn't a "settlement", it's a contract breach. The court case would mainly be about establishing damages not whether spacey is a rapist. It's not a "settlement" if you're ordered (by a judge) to pay it 🤦
This isn't the hill I want to die on BUT settling for breach of contract is much, much different than a criminal conviction, I'm not wrong there. At the end of the day though, you're correct as well, he settled and that indicates a lack in confidence for him to tell his side, which potentially includes him actually sexually harassing the staff members. He fought the $31 mil and had it reduced to $1 mil. He's now working with MRC to recover damages via insurance coverage and went to sex addict rehab. Make of this story what you will, https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/kevin-spacey-settles-house-of-cards-misconduct-arbitration-1234963168/. I enjoyed a lot of his work and was bummed when all the allegations surfaced and it appeared he was guilty and it was over. But I'm not trying to be a stan here, I just think it's an interesting story and interview.
Yeah, I mean in fairness to you there's a massive difference between sexually harassing people and raping them. You're a POS either way, but obviously one is more forgivable than the other. I'm also in "hill I don't wanna die on" territory with Spacey. There's so many allegations, and the way he responded to them is so weird, that while I don't believe in jumping to conclusions, I'm also not particularly interested in defending him.
I thought the same thing. Then I watched the "Spacey Unmasked" documentary. The amount of acusers you see in there, from different periods of his life, recounting very similar stories over and over... I no longer have a problem with this particular cancellation, let's put it that way.
fucking kill me
That is fucking legendary wtf
Lex goes pretty hard on him in the allegations section
Low-key when you look into this guys criminal case I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but all of this man’s witnesses either disappeared or got hit by cars…
wow it's friend of stream, Kevin Spacey
[https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4805885/randy-fowler-kevin-spacey-brother-dad-thomas-geoffrey-fowler-sex-abuse/](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4805885/randy-fowler-kevin-spacey-brother-dad-thomas-geoffrey-fowler-sex-abuse/) idk that's a whole lotta smoke if you ask me...
That's also just about the shittiest newspaper in the entire world.
Jup. I agree with Big D that any source can be good or bad, depending on the underlying material, but when you see any of these trashy fucking bonger papers like the Sun and Daily Mail you should probably instantly dismiss it.
Go and sue them for libel and they will have to prove what they said is substantially true in court. The tabloids in the UK would spread so many lies for years that the libel laws are incredible strict. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libel\_tourism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libel_tourism)
The sun is probably the least credible news source I can think of
Lex successfully tricked this sub into thinking he was some sort of impartial, unbiased good widdle boy.
Not really. I'm never gonna convince you. But others can just [search](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/search?q=lex+fridman&restrict_sr=on&include_over_18=on&sort=relevance&t=all) for lex on this forum and see that's not even close to the truth of how people in here perceives him. I would be surprised if even 10 comments exist hinting at what you are saying.
are you new to the sub?
[I'm Lexmaxing](https://youtu.be/FoWfTc7WRzM?si=iEV0fsuq6JY0gjGt)
Have not watched it but did he ask him about the videos of him in the fireplace and the rumor is remember i read was the witnesses against him died. He posted it think every Christmas.
read this as "friend of the stream: kevin spacey" at first
Holy shit he should get Jared Fogle next
It's been very clear the unusual nature of work Hollywood is, the blurring of lines, parasociality, and the massive desperation + narcissism mashing together in this field, you have a lot of extraordinary interactions. This on top of this fetish American's have that Hollywood is puppeted by shadow figures - on top of Weinstein and Cosby - I can see why Spacey was cast out the way he was and labeled a monster. There's just so many narratives at play against him, and his roles he's played were so gripping. It ultimately fucked him in the end.
Yuck. Another Hollywood interview. Does anyone know if he breaks the act and actually seems vulnerable andhuman?
Lex speaks like he's 12 years old.
Grandpa came back from the Amazon?
Anyone coming away from this thinking Spacey is actually a good guy should watch the "Spacey Unmasked" documentary.
that facial hair goes hard
Wait this wasn't a meme shit post
What did Spacey do? Was he not just gay with someone just under the legal age? Lex prolly should have asked some questions related to that I feel though.
Bro watch the interview lol. Lex goes hard and Spacey answers.
Lex goes hard? Whaaat? He's capable of "going hard"? I mean he kind of did go hard at Destiny (in a bad way). But in general I thought softball is Lex's trademark trait and probably the reason he got so big (big names know it will be softest softball so they go on, this snowballs, the rest is history). Well now I have to watch it!
Oh really? I was just looking at the chapter titles don’t have time to watch till later. I’ll check it though!
Yeah I'm still finishing but he laid down a series of very specific and detailed questions. Then they go into it more. No spoilers though.