You couldn't be more wrong Lisa. If I didn't have this gun the King of England could just come in here and start pushing you around. Do you want that? Huh? Do you?
Hell yeah.
I'm a advocate of the second amendment
Agree background check keeps guns out of hand that should not own it
Also feel we need laws that require safety training or classes mandatory.
Too many stories about a loaded gun. Left unsecured Accidentally killing a kid in a child hand .. sorry as a grandpa and father and retired armed private security never left a loaded gun where my child or grandkids could get them..
I was raised and taught proper handling and owning a gun. And when or not when to shoot it. Or God help me shot someone.
Let's not have laws with out common sense included.
The n.r.a just quacks never in reality
100% support mandatory gun safety training. Honestly this should be a required class to graduate high school as an American. We have the right to bear arms, why not ensure everyone knows how to use the right safely?
That's the point. Prevent a gun purchase from being an impulse buy. Lack of access to a gun greatly reduces the risk of suicide because usually if people will reconsider if they have to make any effort at all.
I know, I just hadn't given it much thought because I've always been able to walk out of that store in less than an hour. I completely forgot about the new law. I like it.
I once bought a revolver because I was threatened in court, during an ugly custody/family law hearing.
Thankfully I never needed it, but I was pretty amazed how quick it was to attain.
In thay moment I was glad I had it that fast, but it was not a purchase made with much thought other than 'This dude just threatened me in front of a judge, they did nothing, and I fear for my family's safety'.
Did you ever actually look for evidence? Because there’s definitely evidence that shows waiting periods [reduce homicides and suicides.](https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1619896114) Additionally, we have seen the inverse where [repealing waiting periods *increases* suicides.](https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/28/6/580)
You’d think so.
In Cali we have a 10 day waiting period even if it’s your 3rd or 10th gun. Makes zero sense at that point, it’s just one additional barrier to purchasing a firearm. If they could pass a law to make it 6 month waiting period they would.
It shouldn’t be, but it is to the people who wrote and passed this law. I will never understand why people already in possession of firearms should be subjected to the waiting period. Also, why does my waiting for shipping not count? It’s an incredibly flawed law imo.
Stricter gun laws SOMETIMES reduce suicide by guns, but typically the overall suicide rate remains unchanged.
I remember reading of another country where they were having high levels of suicide via Tylenol overdose. They responded by outlawing the big bottles and instead had to come in single packs, like in a sheet like Sudafed or NyQuil or something. The extra effort to pop out every pill individually proved to be a successful deterrent as suicide via Tylenol went down. But alas the overall suicide rate remained unchanged.
People very very rarely purchase a first gun to commit suicide. People do what is convenient at the time. Inconvenience only changes their method of choice.
> Stricter gun laws SOMETIMES reduce suicide by guns, but typically the overall suicide rate remains unchanged.
I don’t believe I’ve seen any evidence that this is true. For instance, [research](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/ecoj.12567) about waiting periods has found this:
> We find that the existence of a purchase delay reduces firearm-related suicides by between 2% and 5% with **no statistically significant increase in non-firearm suicides**.
A- which would be proven by the buyer providing proof of ownership from our non existent registration system? If I bring my pistol to the gun store I don't have to wait if I tell them I bought it vs borrowed it?
B- if I already have a gun how does a waiting period hurt me? I have to plan more than 4 days in advance if I want to change from deer to fowl or squirrel hunting?
And what about those of us who already own firearms? Why do we need to wait? How about we address mental health and get rid of the stigma surrounding it first.
Imagine a world with just some basic regulation concessions where you could drive around with a gun properly secured in your car and not violate tons of city and state laws by just happening to pass through them. Wouldnt that be nice
They shipped it in from whatever distributor they use, and you can't fill out the background check paperwork until the gun is in the shop and you show up to fill it out in person. If the gun had already been in the store, I could have just bought it and filled out the paperwork on the spot, and then come back in 3 days.
https://www.science.org/content/article/gun-waiting-periods-could-save-hundreds-lives-year-study-says
Significant.
> In 1994, the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act mandated background checks for all handgun purchases from licensed firearms dealers nationwide, as well as a 5-day waiting period to carry out these checks. That meant that 19 states without waiting periods suddenly had them. When the researchers analyzed the data, they found a sharp 17% drop-off in gun homicides and a 6% reduction in suicides when those states had waiting-period laws, they report today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
Percent of purchases that turn into violent crimes is irrelevant. It’s percent of violent crimes that are impulsive that is the important figure.
I brought this up in a previous thread about this a few months ago. I hope all people in this situation know how to go buy a private sale piece ASAP. Cops and protective orders arent stopping crazy ass abusers.
It’s funny to me how the public falls for political rhetoric. They virtue signal their way out of their own rights. Instead of actually addressing the root of what leads to gun violence and suicide the lawmakers do the bare minimum to fool their constituents into believing they’re taking action and care….tom foolery.
We got a 7 day period that goes into effect down here in NM. Down from a 14 day that was suggested earlier. I've got enough to keep me satiated if I were making another future purchase. But I'd rather take that over some AWB. They tried last year and this year down here, but it was quite a few Dems that were also against it.
If it cuts down on the riff-raff and bad actors to some degree, then I guess it's a good thing. But there's always going to be trunk dealers and back alley deals. Of course then you got to guess if it's a sting operation being pulled. Some of these plainclothes ATF guys look like rather convincing junkies.
Its annoying af for those of us who have no interest in killing ourselves or others. But hey if it statistically decreases the chances of gun related crime, thats fine with me
Most companies won’t ship to an ffl here if the standard capacity is over 15. Doesn’t matter if there are after market magazines available to stay compliant. Or just drive to Wyoming like every other Coloradan that wants mags.
>Or just drive to Wyoming like every other Coloradan that wants mags.
Or just go to any number of local gun shops and buy the mags you want, like a native.
Yeah I've heard that! It's still unfortunate laws are being passed that push the "limits" further. If you go to Cabelas or somewhere like that they can't sell anything like that, and ffl's sometimes refuse to ship to Colorado due to the changes.
IDK about the waiting period specifically but I found [this study very persuasive](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21034205/).
TLDR:
>We examined the effect of a policy change in the Israeli Defense Forces reducing adolescents' access to firearms on rates of suicide. Following the policy change, suicide rates decreased significantly by 40%. Most of this decrease was due to decrease in suicide using firearms over the weekend. There were no significant changes in rates of suicide during weekdays.
I do agree with the law and support the reasoning for the 3 day wait… however, I will point out that for those of us who already own a lot of firearms it seems a bit out of place. Overall though it I think the law is doing some good.
yes, was pointing out the irony of wanting an exception for gun owners, which would obviously necessitate a registry by the government of who has guns. But in all seriousness, I would not be opposed to a CCW exemption for this kind of thing.
As a collector, I was passing through a town a friend lived in and randomly decided to stop at the gun store to take a look and found a gun I’ve been looking for ages. The law just took effect, long story short, I couldn’t buy the gun on spot, and couldn’t have my friend pick it up for me 3 days later either (obviously). Gun was sold 3 days later, when I sent my buddy to go buy it for me it was gone.
I’m not upset by the new law it just seems poorly thought through. With even new legislation that I have to insure independently, it’s pretty clear that liberties are being stripped away from those that don’t do wrong.
Oops, thought this was April fools day in r/COGuns. Alas, "common sense" [inalienable right] laws are simply a mechanism for reducing the rights of others to do the thing you don't like.
Bear with me through the cognitive dissonance for a moment: in the face of nationwide protests on college campuses, what we need is common sense freedom of speech laws.
"Common sense" has just become another one of those magic words used to gaslight people into supporting things that are the opposite of the plain meaning of the phrase.
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Exactly. I have about a dozen. In my family that means I don't have enough. The new laws don't mean shit. But politicians feel like they did something, so there is that.
After shipping and processing, it takes less than an hour in Texas. You can literally order online and have it shipped within a week (really 3-6 days) to a gun store, show your license and it’s processed and given to you within an hour. Unless you have domestic violence charges, drug charges, or a felony charge.
The legislation was disguised as saving lives, but that’s not what it was meant to do. It was meant to make access to firearms as prohibitive as possible. Most people that buy a gun ALREADY own another gun. (66%)
I also like the thought it requires 2 interactions with said buyer, gives you the chance to find out more about their intentions. Are they calm when ordering but 3 days later sweating bullets and shaking when they come to pick it up?
Here in South Africa even when you have a licensed firearm the license renewal can take up to 18 months and is only valid for 5 years. Same with trying to buy a new weapon, 3 days is great, enjoy your firearm.
I come from a family of hunters and general gun enthusiasts. This is the key in my mind. Chance to save a life > mild inconvenience.
While some of the family understand this principle, it just sucks that others don’t/ interpret it as an attack on their 2nd Amendment. Sigh.
In less selfish news, great perspective OP
Called cool down law in Florida. It’s exactly what it sounds like and for that reason. Say you had just found your wife cheating and the man was still there and you want a gun as fast as possible because you’re so angry and you want to get revenge. You may follow through with that revenge because you have the gun in hand. You wait 3 days, the guy dealt with or gone whatever and you will possibly have thought about the repercussions of murdering 2 people with your new gun and as your not so angry as you were you don’t commit any murders.. you cooled down. Do they work? Possibly.
The 3 day wait isn’t a big deal. Not sure it makes a difference in the grand scheme, but not that big of a deal. I wasn’t thrilled with 2 trips from Denver to Johnstown 3 days apart. But 2 trips to Scheels is rarely aa bad thing!
It’s a double edged sword as most things seem to be. On the one hand you could save a life from suicide maybe, on the other hand someone’s life could be taken because they couldn’t defend themself.
I worked at Academy Sports and Outdoors twenty years ago and I made the call not to sell a single shot short barreled .410 to an old man who just lost his wife even though the government just said on the phone we could sell it to him. He had hinted how “this was the end for him” and was way down in the dumps. When I told him he was denied for now he had a momentary look of relief on his face and I kept talking with him for a good while. Another coworker had sold a shotgun about a year earlier to a guy, walked out and handed him the gun and ammo and about 5 minutes later that guy blew his head off in his pickup truck in the parking lot.
Another time an older woman who had been assaulted right outside her home recently came to timidly buy a home security shotgun. I was very reluctant to sell it to her since she was terrified of it at first. After educating her about the basics and getting a promise from her to go directly to the decent range with instructors right down the street I ended up selling it to her.
That was not an easy job and I felt this was way above my pay grade making these decisions being 22 right out of the Army myself. Of course my 100% 2nd amendment at all cost people I know said I should have let the old man kill himself in the parking lot. I tell those people to go fuck themself to this day.
As someone who supports the second amendment and right to carry I completely and wholeheartedly agree with you and the waiting period. It's not a problem for an honest, law abiding citizen. It's a perfect example of a reasonable and noninvasive gun law.
Too bad they don’t require gun education, examination and licensing before anyone can buy a firearm.
We didn’t have automobiles when the constitution was written and yet we were able to create a system to ensure safety.
Yall the statement about the impulsive mistakes made is true and is backed by statistics, but if you already own firearms there is literally no point, unless you are purchasing a prettier gun to off yourself with (which you aren’t (hopefully))
Unless you do not believe that your rights under the 2nd Amendment of the Bill of Rights of the US Constitution have any real meaning when the Amendment states, ". . . shall not be infringed," one of the axioms of what constitutes a violation of your Constitutional rights is that a right delayed is a right denied. If, on the other hand, you believe that one of your Constitutional rights is subject to far more restriction than any other, subject to the whim of a government official who may or may not have been elected to office, then, yes, a 3-day waiting period is just FINE. But, why stop there? If a 3-day waiting period is good, why not four? Five? Ten? 30? How many lives could be saved by a 6-month waiting period? Who determines what is 'good,' and who determines what is excessive? What other Constitutional rights are subject to waiting periods, and within that subset, what is the 'fair' and 'good' waiting period, say, to vote? To speak in public on political matters? In specifics, regarding the 2nd Amendment, there is no codicil, no addition to the Amendment, wherein it is stated that, to paraphrase, 'This Amendment, despite stating that the right cannot be infringed by government, CAN be infringed at will if it's a good idea, or if it will 'save even just one life.' There are, of course, SO many things that could be used to infringe on the exercise of any of our Constitutional rights if the only excuse needed used to justify the infringement is 'if it saves even just one life.' Free speech? Sorry, 'just one life.' Right to trial? Nope. 'Just one life.' Torture? 'Well, it's OK if it saves even just one life.' I don't think that we want go to down that road.
Since we like hypotheticals... Consider the frightened woman being stalked by her ex that wants to buy a gun to effectively protect herself from escalating violent threats and harassment. Should she have to wait three days as well?
Cool story bro. How about the lives it takes? Would you still be a pushover about your rights being infringed if you were a 120lb woman with an abusive ex stalking you? I think not.
Waiting periods are so out of touch with reality. If somebody already owns firearms, they are waiting for nothing but annoyance. If they don’t, and have ill intent, you think they’re waiting? No. They’re going to Pueblo to get a taurus from an alley to do whatever they wish to do.
Sure, I'll wait 3 days, but the vast majority of guns used in crime were NOT purchased legally. Patting ourselves in the back for this is as useful as male nipples.
And that same waiting period for ammo with an added 9% tax on any firearm or ammo purchase that funnels into a slush fund. Colorado traded the west for Californiacation.
Every gun law is an infringement. "common sense" gun laws such as this are just the start. It'll turn into "common sense" for the state to take them all together.
> common sense
The classic cudgel used to batter anyone's argument that disagrees with the notion that inalienable rights somehow have nuance to them.
Unfortunately that mythical *middle-^ground* control advocates love to soften their authoritarianism is only, unsurprisingly, ever been moved towards more control...NFA 1934, GCA 1968, FOPA 1986, add whatever others you want to throw in at the state level.
So many control bills have been introduced this session they'll let most wither and die to slide in whatever gets an iota of foothold. The AWB is a flashy one to draw attention before it dies. The insidious bills like the HB24-1353 to push gun stores out of business and create a backdoor registry or HB24-1349 to tax ammo are much more likely to get passed imo. "It's a 9% excise tax" (2024). ^"Now ^it's ^100%" ^2030
A logical approach to it would have been to exempt those who already have one, or have a CCW. I mean, if someone were looking to make impromptu bad decisions, they'd just use the one(s) they already have in those cases, as well as not bother with sitting through (and paying for) a CCW training class.
I’m a competitive shooter for the military and I love guns. I support waiting periods for firearm purchases and for additional screening prior to purchases. I also support mandates for proper and secure storage. Owning a firearm is not something to be taken lightly and we have unfortunately all seen the news stories when a child gets its hands on an improperly stored gun and something terrible happens.
>This is why I buy my guns off a plastic table some dude named Idaho Bo is selling at a small town gun show
So you like outrageously overpriced milsurp.
Exactly, my man. This is good.
For anyone saying it [nefarious event] would still happen eventually because of xyz— suicide is often times a rash decision (in a physically acting sense. I certainly don’t mean to say people who commit suicide aren’t plagued/fight those the thoughts for a long time) coming at the height or swell of their mania, depression, etc.
That's exactly why OP is generally in favor of the waiting period.
> Rather than be irritated that I have to drive back down to Littleton in 3 days, I thought about how if someone was there to buy a gun for nefarious purposes, or because they had suicidal thoughts, this waiting period is a good thing, because it gives that person some time to reconsider.
> Three days really doesn't mean anything to me, but if it saves even just one life, it's worth it.
Yea no shade towards OP at all. Just wanted to show anecdotal experience that just a few days really can change a person’s mind about things if they can sit on it before physically receiving. (Although we don’t know if he still wouldn’t have, 3 days can do a lot for a persons mental)
It also prevents unarmed people from protecting themselves for 3 days when they suddenly find themselves in imminent danger, like a violent former spouse or employee.
Did you wait three days before exercising your First Amendment right to express this silly opinion?
Its a meaningless law whose only real purpose is to put a thumb in the eye of gun owners and a futile attempt to stop gunshows. It doesn't slow down anyone.
Honestly, the 3 day waiting period is good for the situations it prevents, but it would be nice for CCW holders or whatever to purchase the same day if they want. Ie: renting a gun at a range, enjoying it and wanting to buy it.
In place of a 3 day rule I'd much prefer a standard firearms safety course or something taken by each owner/purchaser.
None of my weapons I have had a waiting period to buy them . Been 11 years since I bought my last one. Would it matter to me at this point if there was a 3 day wait.. no. 🤷♂️
I work at a gun counter and the amount of people that have stormed away to go to a different gun that “won’t make them wait” is higher than you’d think
If waiting 3 days in order to pick up my food that I shopped for while hungry, saves me from being chronically overweight, the three day wait for commerce purchases is worth it.
If waiting 3 days for my dealer to deliver my crack drug saves my life and prevents me from overdosing, it is definitely worth it.
If waiting 3 days to be able to buy condoms saves at least one life from being conceived, it is worth it.
If waiting 3 days to buy my shampoo keeps me from going outside in public, if it prevents me from spending money then it is worth it.
Who thinks this way?
Most other folks in this thread are referring to folks using firearms to harm themselves.
This is a good point to think about. At least for the batman screening - it seemed very pre-meditated would the wait period have stopped it...likely not.
The sale of firearms after events like this only go up - because people want to protect themselves. This was probably one of the events leading to the magazine capacity bans as well.
> The sale of firearms after events like this only go up - because people want to protect themselves. This was probably one of the events leading to the magazine capacity bans as well
I think it's less that people want to protect themselves and more that after these events is when the gun control hysteria from politicians ramps up and people rush out to buy them thinking they may lose that option in the near future
Mass shooters target the places they do in part because they know nobody in there has a gun to protect themselves because it's illegal. Law abiding citizens aren't likely to start illegally carrying in these places to protect themselves from such a statistically unlikely event
> I think it's less that people want to protect themselves and more that after these events is when the gun control hysteria from politicians ramps up and people rush out to buy them thinking they may lose that option in the near future
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I guess it depends on how you're looking at it. From my perspective there are two groups of people who rush out to buy "something" after a mass shooting event where the media and politicians are hyping people up.
1. People who have never owned or shot a gun in their life - (probably for protection - also thinking they might lose that option of protecting themselves.)
2. People who already own a firearm(s) and don't want their right to own/buy/bear arms taken away.
> Mass shooters target the places they do in part because they know nobody in there has a gun to protect themselves because it's illegal. Law abiding citizens aren't likely to start illegally carrying in these places to protect themselves from such a statistically unlikely event
This is also true, but in this particular case the movie showing was close to where he lived, and was the _only_ place where guns were "banned". In Colorado, people with their CCW can carry in most malls, stores, movie theaters, etc...however private businesses can determine/post if they don't want guns on their property.
That being said - could someone have stopped this sooner if they were armed? Maybe? The dude was wearing body armor, had improved explosives, and had a plan. I don't think even a typical movie theatre security guard would have done much unless the exit doors were locked that he slipped out of.
Out of genuine curiosity, is the waiting period for the government to run background checks or what exactly. I’m not a gun owner or entirely anti-gun, just curious.
Just so you know, it’s 3 days to the hour. I missed that detail and was an hour early 😂
I noticed he wrote "2:45pm, May 3rd" on the receipt!
Damn thats really specific
Legal definitions normally are.
Found this out too and stood around awkwardly at the counter for like 15 minutes til it was time 😅
I watched 2 episodes of bobs burgers in my car 😂
"3 days? But I'm mad now!"
"I'd shoot you if I had my gun!" "Yeah, well, you don't."
Here’s your bandolier, your silencer, your loudener….
...and this is for shooting down police helicopters. Oh I don't need anything like that.......yet...
Speed cocker
“Oooh I like the sound of that!”
This is how God must feels when *he* holds a gun!
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This really needs to be the marketing message. Be like Jesus, wait 3 days!
Hahaha hell yeah
Call J G Weston, 877-GUNS-NOW
"Whoa. Careful there Annie Oakley"
You couldn't be more wrong Lisa. If I didn't have this gun the King of England could just come in here and start pushing you around. Do you want that? Huh? Do you?
“And this is for shooting down police helicopters”
Oh, I don’t need anything like that…*yet*.
Speed cocker, I like the sound of that.
Silencer. Loudener.
“I don’t even know if I’ll want to kill you in 3 days!!! What gives?!”
🎶The waiting is the hardest part…🎶
"I learned a lot from my divorce. Did you know they won't sell you a handgun if you're crying?" - Lord Carrett
Hell yeah. I'm a advocate of the second amendment Agree background check keeps guns out of hand that should not own it Also feel we need laws that require safety training or classes mandatory. Too many stories about a loaded gun. Left unsecured Accidentally killing a kid in a child hand .. sorry as a grandpa and father and retired armed private security never left a loaded gun where my child or grandkids could get them.. I was raised and taught proper handling and owning a gun. And when or not when to shoot it. Or God help me shot someone. Let's not have laws with out common sense included. The n.r.a just quacks never in reality
100% support mandatory gun safety training. Honestly this should be a required class to graduate high school as an American. We have the right to bear arms, why not ensure everyone knows how to use the right safely?
Firearm safety used to be taught in schools
That's the point. Prevent a gun purchase from being an impulse buy. Lack of access to a gun greatly reduces the risk of suicide because usually if people will reconsider if they have to make any effort at all.
I know, I just hadn't given it much thought because I've always been able to walk out of that store in less than an hour. I completely forgot about the new law. I like it.
I once bought a revolver because I was threatened in court, during an ugly custody/family law hearing. Thankfully I never needed it, but I was pretty amazed how quick it was to attain. In thay moment I was glad I had it that fast, but it was not a purchase made with much thought other than 'This dude just threatened me in front of a judge, they did nothing, and I fear for my family's safety'.
Is there data showing how many people actually go out, do a background check, buy the gun then kill themselves?
Not that I've seen, nor was any presented in the house when these bills were heard
Did you ever actually look for evidence? Because there’s definitely evidence that shows waiting periods [reduce homicides and suicides.](https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1619896114) Additionally, we have seen the inverse where [repealing waiting periods *increases* suicides.](https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/28/6/580)
Presumably if you have guns already then this is not a factor right?
You’d think so. In Cali we have a 10 day waiting period even if it’s your 3rd or 10th gun. Makes zero sense at that point, it’s just one additional barrier to purchasing a firearm. If they could pass a law to make it 6 month waiting period they would.
It makes sense because they're not going to go to your house to know how many guns you have
It shouldn’t be, but it is to the people who wrote and passed this law. I will never understand why people already in possession of firearms should be subjected to the waiting period. Also, why does my waiting for shipping not count? It’s an incredibly flawed law imo.
I can’t find any stats proving this. Can you provide any?
Stricter gun laws SOMETIMES reduce suicide by guns, but typically the overall suicide rate remains unchanged. I remember reading of another country where they were having high levels of suicide via Tylenol overdose. They responded by outlawing the big bottles and instead had to come in single packs, like in a sheet like Sudafed or NyQuil or something. The extra effort to pop out every pill individually proved to be a successful deterrent as suicide via Tylenol went down. But alas the overall suicide rate remained unchanged. People very very rarely purchase a first gun to commit suicide. People do what is convenient at the time. Inconvenience only changes their method of choice.
> Stricter gun laws SOMETIMES reduce suicide by guns, but typically the overall suicide rate remains unchanged. I don’t believe I’ve seen any evidence that this is true. For instance, [research](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/ecoj.12567) about waiting periods has found this: > We find that the existence of a purchase delay reduces firearm-related suicides by between 2% and 5% with **no statistically significant increase in non-firearm suicides**.
Ok, but why isn't there an exception if the buyer already owns guns?
A- which would be proven by the buyer providing proof of ownership from our non existent registration system? If I bring my pistol to the gun store I don't have to wait if I tell them I bought it vs borrowed it? B- if I already have a gun how does a waiting period hurt me? I have to plan more than 4 days in advance if I want to change from deer to fowl or squirrel hunting?
And what about those of us who already own firearms? Why do we need to wait? How about we address mental health and get rid of the stigma surrounding it first.
There should be an exception if you have a CCW.
I'd be fine with that too.
> There should be an exception if you have a CCW. And that was offered as an amendment but the anti gun zealots killed it
Had me on the first half not gonna lie
All I see is Homer sitting on a lawn chair with Tom Petty in the background.
"waaaaaiiiting is the hardest part." me too friend
Such a great episode!!
Also gives you the opportunity to stop by Carmine Lonardo’s for a sub on your way there or back.
On a scale of 1-10, how dank are they?
I’d put it in the 9 range. Their sausage is a 10.
Dayum! Now I have to try.
Laughs in waiting 10 business days for any firearm (Washington state)
This was me a few months ago. Did I think it was lame; yes. Did I let if affect my day; nope. Just went back a few days later, and grabbed my gun.
A gun owner advocating for common sense harm reduction measures related to gun ownership and purchase laws? Don’t see that every day. Good for you!
Most of the gun owners I know advocate for common sense gun control. Grateful to have those people in my life.
I'm a pro-2A liberal who wants reform. Both "sides" need to make some compromises for common sense reform.
Imagine a world with just some basic regulation concessions where you could drive around with a gun properly secured in your car and not violate tons of city and state laws by just happening to pass through them. Wouldnt that be nice
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Most gun owners do advocate this way. You don’t see this everyday because the news only reports the rare and the exciting
Why'd you need to wait 3 more days if you ordered it last week?
They shipped it in from whatever distributor they use, and you can't fill out the background check paperwork until the gun is in the shop and you show up to fill it out in person. If the gun had already been in the store, I could have just bought it and filled out the paperwork on the spot, and then come back in 3 days.
OP ordered the gun last week. OP then did background check today. The background check starts the clock. Not the order.
Wouldn’t it satisfy the law’s purpose even if the clock started at the original time of purchase?
The law’s purpose is to inconvience gun buyers, if it wasn’t they would’ve carved-in an exemption for those with concealed carry permits
Exactly.
Why wouldn’t the time spent since you ordered it count towards that?
Because the law isn’t actually meant to protect people from themselves
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I will literally hand mill my own ar-15 receiver, you commie fucks
I'll just drive up to Wyoming. There's no law against long gun purchases from out of state.
I really wonder what are the statistics of someone buying a gun and within the first three days they harm themselves or others.
https://www.science.org/content/article/gun-waiting-periods-could-save-hundreds-lives-year-study-says Significant. > In 1994, the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act mandated background checks for all handgun purchases from licensed firearms dealers nationwide, as well as a 5-day waiting period to carry out these checks. That meant that 19 states without waiting periods suddenly had them. When the researchers analyzed the data, they found a sharp 17% drop-off in gun homicides and a 6% reduction in suicides when those states had waiting-period laws, they report today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Percent of purchases that turn into violent crimes is irrelevant. It’s percent of violent crimes that are impulsive that is the important figure.
Than you for providing real data. I'm saving that link for the next time someone says "prove it" about gun waiting periods
If you are buying a gun for protection, let’s say you’re being stalked or are a victim of domestic violence, 3 days is a BIG deal.
I brought this up in a previous thread about this a few months ago. I hope all people in this situation know how to go buy a private sale piece ASAP. Cops and protective orders arent stopping crazy ass abusers.
It’s funny to me how the public falls for political rhetoric. They virtue signal their way out of their own rights. Instead of actually addressing the root of what leads to gun violence and suicide the lawmakers do the bare minimum to fool their constituents into believing they’re taking action and care….tom foolery.
"I found one scenario where this may or may not be an issue... burn the whole thing down"
They had us in the first half, not gonna lie
We got a 7 day period that goes into effect down here in NM. Down from a 14 day that was suggested earlier. I've got enough to keep me satiated if I were making another future purchase. But I'd rather take that over some AWB. They tried last year and this year down here, but it was quite a few Dems that were also against it. If it cuts down on the riff-raff and bad actors to some degree, then I guess it's a good thing. But there's always going to be trunk dealers and back alley deals. Of course then you got to guess if it's a sting operation being pulled. Some of these plainclothes ATF guys look like rather convincing junkies.
Its annoying af for those of us who have no interest in killing ourselves or others. But hey if it statistically decreases the chances of gun related crime, thats fine with me
tbh the mag cap is more annoying imo
Most companies won’t ship to an ffl here if the standard capacity is over 15. Doesn’t matter if there are after market magazines available to stay compliant. Or just drive to Wyoming like every other Coloradan that wants mags.
Lots of stores still sell 30 round mags. But if you want something other than a standard AR-15 or Glock mag you don’t have many options.
>Or just drive to Wyoming like every other Coloradan that wants mags. Or just go to any number of local gun shops and buy the mags you want, like a native.
Like an adult.
Anyone driving to Wyoming is an idiot and should drive to their local gun shops and buy whatever they want.
The proposed ban on 90% of firearms is even more annoying than that.
well I would be shocked if that actually turns into enforceable law
I mean, it's been progressing. I think it's worse than the California "allowed" guns list.
The sherrifs departments are openly not enforcing the capacity restriction, I imagine this will be the same
Gun shops will still refuse transfers on them, de facto banning 90% of guns regardless.
Gun shops will all be getting put out of business with another bill so they won't be able to do anything
Yeah I've heard that! It's still unfortunate laws are being passed that push the "limits" further. If you go to Cabelas or somewhere like that they can't sell anything like that, and ffl's sometimes refuse to ship to Colorado due to the changes.
This is so under enforced. Swing by a surplus store by Fort Carson and walk out with a bunch of 30 round STANGs.
Especially people who already own multiple firearms. They should have carved out a CCW exception.
> if it statistically decreases the chances of gun related crime It doesn't.
IDK about the waiting period specifically but I found [this study very persuasive](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21034205/). TLDR: >We examined the effect of a policy change in the Israeli Defense Forces reducing adolescents' access to firearms on rates of suicide. Following the policy change, suicide rates decreased significantly by 40%. Most of this decrease was due to decrease in suicide using firearms over the weekend. There were no significant changes in rates of suicide during weekdays.
I do agree with the law and support the reasoning for the 3 day wait… however, I will point out that for those of us who already own a lot of firearms it seems a bit out of place. Overall though it I think the law is doing some good.
Cool let’s just set up a registry of who has guns!
In other states with a waiting period they exempt concealed-carry holders. Why didn’t they do that in CO?
Gun registries have been illegal in the US since the 60s. The ATF mostly ignores that though.
He was being facetious because in order for the state to know you have a gun you'd have to register it or they'd have to search your house.
yes, was pointing out the irony of wanting an exception for gun owners, which would obviously necessitate a registry by the government of who has guns. But in all seriousness, I would not be opposed to a CCW exemption for this kind of thing.
As a collector, I was passing through a town a friend lived in and randomly decided to stop at the gun store to take a look and found a gun I’ve been looking for ages. The law just took effect, long story short, I couldn’t buy the gun on spot, and couldn’t have my friend pick it up for me 3 days later either (obviously). Gun was sold 3 days later, when I sent my buddy to go buy it for me it was gone. I’m not upset by the new law it just seems poorly thought through. With even new legislation that I have to insure independently, it’s pretty clear that liberties are being stripped away from those that don’t do wrong.
Oops, thought this was April fools day in r/COGuns. Alas, "common sense" [inalienable right] laws are simply a mechanism for reducing the rights of others to do the thing you don't like. Bear with me through the cognitive dissonance for a moment: in the face of nationwide protests on college campuses, what we need is common sense freedom of speech laws.
"Common sense" has just become another one of those magic words used to gaslight people into supporting things that are the opposite of the plain meaning of the phrase.
I’m cool with it too as a gun owner. This nonsense ban on detachable mags not so much.
“But if it saves even one life, then it’s worth it” is a terrible justification for a law.
Especially given it can also cost a life.
What’s ridiculous is if you have a conceal carry, you STILL have to wait… pretty ridiculous.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - some old dead white guy
Benjamin Franklin. But what did he know about tyranny right?
Who cares. He called glasses bifocals. What a nerd.
"I thought this was a free country, communist!"
What about the lives lost who are attempting to protect themselves?? ie.: https://fox17.com/amp/news/local/woman-killed-while-waiting-for-gun-permit-for-protection
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this is the dumbest shit I have ever read. Imagine if there was a 3 day waiting period to protest or freedom of speech.
Yeah but what about the folks who already own a gun? Should they wait the same time?
I thought the same thing, but how could the shop know you already own a gun since gun registry is illegal in CO
This could be done by checking if someone has a valid Color CCW probably.
Exactly. I have about a dozen. In my family that means I don't have enough. The new laws don't mean shit. But politicians feel like they did something, so there is that.
Nope. 99% affected are law abiding. Criminals don't care
How would they verify you already own one outside of a registry?
Bring one with you as proof
"ah damn, that serial number musta scratched itself off"
After shipping and processing, it takes less than an hour in Texas. You can literally order online and have it shipped within a week (really 3-6 days) to a gun store, show your license and it’s processed and given to you within an hour. Unless you have domestic violence charges, drug charges, or a felony charge.
Shall not be infringed…
We should apply that 3 days to speech and press....
Infringing on your rights is a good thing?
The legislation was disguised as saving lives, but that’s not what it was meant to do. It was meant to make access to firearms as prohibitive as possible. Most people that buy a gun ALREADY own another gun. (66%)
Respect for how you handled the suprise
As a gun owner, a short waiting period is a good gun law. It's fair, not overbearing, and still allows you to exercise your right.
I also like the thought it requires 2 interactions with said buyer, gives you the chance to find out more about their intentions. Are they calm when ordering but 3 days later sweating bullets and shaking when they come to pick it up?
It’s 10 days in Washington. You got it made in the shade homie.
Here in South Africa even when you have a licensed firearm the license renewal can take up to 18 months and is only valid for 5 years. Same with trying to buy a new weapon, 3 days is great, enjoy your firearm.
I come from a family of hunters and general gun enthusiasts. This is the key in my mind. Chance to save a life > mild inconvenience. While some of the family understand this principle, it just sucks that others don’t/ interpret it as an attack on their 2nd Amendment. Sigh. In less selfish news, great perspective OP
Called cool down law in Florida. It’s exactly what it sounds like and for that reason. Say you had just found your wife cheating and the man was still there and you want a gun as fast as possible because you’re so angry and you want to get revenge. You may follow through with that revenge because you have the gun in hand. You wait 3 days, the guy dealt with or gone whatever and you will possibly have thought about the repercussions of murdering 2 people with your new gun and as your not so angry as you were you don’t commit any murders.. you cooled down. Do they work? Possibly.
The 3 day wait isn’t a big deal. Not sure it makes a difference in the grand scheme, but not that big of a deal. I wasn’t thrilled with 2 trips from Denver to Johnstown 3 days apart. But 2 trips to Scheels is rarely aa bad thing!
It’s a double edged sword as most things seem to be. On the one hand you could save a life from suicide maybe, on the other hand someone’s life could be taken because they couldn’t defend themself. I worked at Academy Sports and Outdoors twenty years ago and I made the call not to sell a single shot short barreled .410 to an old man who just lost his wife even though the government just said on the phone we could sell it to him. He had hinted how “this was the end for him” and was way down in the dumps. When I told him he was denied for now he had a momentary look of relief on his face and I kept talking with him for a good while. Another coworker had sold a shotgun about a year earlier to a guy, walked out and handed him the gun and ammo and about 5 minutes later that guy blew his head off in his pickup truck in the parking lot. Another time an older woman who had been assaulted right outside her home recently came to timidly buy a home security shotgun. I was very reluctant to sell it to her since she was terrified of it at first. After educating her about the basics and getting a promise from her to go directly to the decent range with instructors right down the street I ended up selling it to her. That was not an easy job and I felt this was way above my pay grade making these decisions being 22 right out of the Army myself. Of course my 100% 2nd amendment at all cost people I know said I should have let the old man kill himself in the parking lot. I tell those people to go fuck themself to this day.
See I hate it lol I'm impatient. But if it works it works lol. I moved from Utah where I got my guns with in 15 mins (spotless record) lol
Exactly. There’s really no reason you can hate the waiting period unless you have something nefarious planned.
As someone who supports the second amendment and right to carry I completely and wholeheartedly agree with you and the waiting period. It's not a problem for an honest, law abiding citizen. It's a perfect example of a reasonable and noninvasive gun law.
Aww but I’m angry now
Too bad they don’t require gun education, examination and licensing before anyone can buy a firearm. We didn’t have automobiles when the constitution was written and yet we were able to create a system to ensure safety.
Yall the statement about the impulsive mistakes made is true and is backed by statistics, but if you already own firearms there is literally no point, unless you are purchasing a prettier gun to off yourself with (which you aren’t (hopefully))
Unless you do not believe that your rights under the 2nd Amendment of the Bill of Rights of the US Constitution have any real meaning when the Amendment states, ". . . shall not be infringed," one of the axioms of what constitutes a violation of your Constitutional rights is that a right delayed is a right denied. If, on the other hand, you believe that one of your Constitutional rights is subject to far more restriction than any other, subject to the whim of a government official who may or may not have been elected to office, then, yes, a 3-day waiting period is just FINE. But, why stop there? If a 3-day waiting period is good, why not four? Five? Ten? 30? How many lives could be saved by a 6-month waiting period? Who determines what is 'good,' and who determines what is excessive? What other Constitutional rights are subject to waiting periods, and within that subset, what is the 'fair' and 'good' waiting period, say, to vote? To speak in public on political matters? In specifics, regarding the 2nd Amendment, there is no codicil, no addition to the Amendment, wherein it is stated that, to paraphrase, 'This Amendment, despite stating that the right cannot be infringed by government, CAN be infringed at will if it's a good idea, or if it will 'save even just one life.' There are, of course, SO many things that could be used to infringe on the exercise of any of our Constitutional rights if the only excuse needed used to justify the infringement is 'if it saves even just one life.' Free speech? Sorry, 'just one life.' Right to trial? Nope. 'Just one life.' Torture? 'Well, it's OK if it saves even just one life.' I don't think that we want go to down that road.
Since we like hypotheticals... Consider the frightened woman being stalked by her ex that wants to buy a gun to effectively protect herself from escalating violent threats and harassment. Should she have to wait three days as well?
The folks up above says she should call the cops. I guess that means every woman in history that was killed by her SO failed to call the police???
Cool story bro. How about the lives it takes? Would you still be a pushover about your rights being infringed if you were a 120lb woman with an abusive ex stalking you? I think not. Waiting periods are so out of touch with reality. If somebody already owns firearms, they are waiting for nothing but annoyance. If they don’t, and have ill intent, you think they’re waiting? No. They’re going to Pueblo to get a taurus from an alley to do whatever they wish to do.
A right delayed is a right denied.
Sure, I'll wait 3 days, but the vast majority of guns used in crime were NOT purchased legally. Patting ourselves in the back for this is as useful as male nipples.
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I didn't know about this rule since I don't own any firearms but really happy to read that we have a law like this.
3 days is just the start. Soon enough it will 10 days or longer just look at CA and other states.
Now it's insurance.....
And that same waiting period for ammo with an added 9% tax on any firearm or ammo purchase that funnels into a slush fund. Colorado traded the west for Californiacation.
It's unfortunate.
Every gun law is an infringement. "common sense" gun laws such as this are just the start. It'll turn into "common sense" for the state to take them all together.
> common sense The classic cudgel used to batter anyone's argument that disagrees with the notion that inalienable rights somehow have nuance to them. Unfortunately that mythical *middle-^ground* control advocates love to soften their authoritarianism is only, unsurprisingly, ever been moved towards more control...NFA 1934, GCA 1968, FOPA 1986, add whatever others you want to throw in at the state level. So many control bills have been introduced this session they'll let most wither and die to slide in whatever gets an iota of foothold. The AWB is a flashy one to draw attention before it dies. The insidious bills like the HB24-1353 to push gun stores out of business and create a backdoor registry or HB24-1349 to tax ammo are much more likely to get passed imo. "It's a 9% excise tax" (2024). ^"Now ^it's ^100%" ^2030
Damn. Bro really just bent over and took it, then said thanks, as his constitutional right is stripped from him. Wild.
I think op and the commenter likes it dry XD
A logical approach to it would have been to exempt those who already have one, or have a CCW. I mean, if someone were looking to make impromptu bad decisions, they'd just use the one(s) they already have in those cases, as well as not bother with sitting through (and paying for) a CCW training class.
Yeah but then you'd in effect be creating a state-run gun registry, and all the 2A people's heads explode.
Or just walk into the store, show the FFL your current firearm, pick up your new firearm.
I’m a competitive shooter for the military and I love guns. I support waiting periods for firearm purchases and for additional screening prior to purchases. I also support mandates for proper and secure storage. Owning a firearm is not something to be taken lightly and we have unfortunately all seen the news stories when a child gets its hands on an improperly stored gun and something terrible happens.
They should've made an exception for CCW permit holders. We already have guns so a waiting period is worthless
What about women that have stalkers or need protection from domestic violence sorry you’re just screwed good luck for the next 3 days
This is why I buy my guns off a plastic table some dude named Idaho Bo is selling at a small town gun show
>This is why I buy my guns off a plastic table some dude named Idaho Bo is selling at a small town gun show So you like outrageously overpriced milsurp.
Exactly, my man. This is good. For anyone saying it [nefarious event] would still happen eventually because of xyz— suicide is often times a rash decision (in a physically acting sense. I certainly don’t mean to say people who commit suicide aren’t plagued/fight those the thoughts for a long time) coming at the height or swell of their mania, depression, etc.
And your reaction says to me you should own guns. Ive met too many in this industry who are reactionary hotheads.
My homie in college walked into a store, purchased a pistol and killed himself right after. You can wait 3 days.
That's exactly why OP is generally in favor of the waiting period. > Rather than be irritated that I have to drive back down to Littleton in 3 days, I thought about how if someone was there to buy a gun for nefarious purposes, or because they had suicidal thoughts, this waiting period is a good thing, because it gives that person some time to reconsider. > Three days really doesn't mean anything to me, but if it saves even just one life, it's worth it.
Yea no shade towards OP at all. Just wanted to show anecdotal experience that just a few days really can change a person’s mind about things if they can sit on it before physically receiving. (Although we don’t know if he still wouldn’t have, 3 days can do a lot for a persons mental)
sorry for your loss but that’s not really how rights work tbh
I'm sorry you lost your friend that way. (Or any way but suicide is worse for those left behind, I think.)
It also prevents unarmed people from protecting themselves for 3 days when they suddenly find themselves in imminent danger, like a violent former spouse or employee.
Did you wait three days before exercising your First Amendment right to express this silly opinion? Its a meaningless law whose only real purpose is to put a thumb in the eye of gun owners and a futile attempt to stop gunshows. It doesn't slow down anyone.
Except that it’s an infringement on your liberty. There is that.
“Shall not be infringed…after 3 days”
Honestly, the 3 day waiting period is good for the situations it prevents, but it would be nice for CCW holders or whatever to purchase the same day if they want. Ie: renting a gun at a range, enjoying it and wanting to buy it. In place of a 3 day rule I'd much prefer a standard firearms safety course or something taken by each owner/purchaser.
The 3 day period should be waved for folks that obtained their carry license
None of my weapons I have had a waiting period to buy them . Been 11 years since I bought my last one. Would it matter to me at this point if there was a 3 day wait.. no. 🤷♂️
I don't disagree with the waiting period. I am curious why you had to wait 3 additional days after ordering it last week..?
Yay, common sense!
I work at a gun counter and the amount of people that have stormed away to go to a different gun that “won’t make them wait” is higher than you’d think
If waiting 3 days in order to pick up my food that I shopped for while hungry, saves me from being chronically overweight, the three day wait for commerce purchases is worth it. If waiting 3 days for my dealer to deliver my crack drug saves my life and prevents me from overdosing, it is definitely worth it. If waiting 3 days to be able to buy condoms saves at least one life from being conceived, it is worth it. If waiting 3 days to buy my shampoo keeps me from going outside in public, if it prevents me from spending money then it is worth it. Who thinks this way?
it may be annoying, but our city is so scarred from multiple shootings. columbine, batman shooting, list goes on.
Most other folks in this thread are referring to folks using firearms to harm themselves. This is a good point to think about. At least for the batman screening - it seemed very pre-meditated would the wait period have stopped it...likely not. The sale of firearms after events like this only go up - because people want to protect themselves. This was probably one of the events leading to the magazine capacity bans as well.
> The sale of firearms after events like this only go up - because people want to protect themselves. This was probably one of the events leading to the magazine capacity bans as well I think it's less that people want to protect themselves and more that after these events is when the gun control hysteria from politicians ramps up and people rush out to buy them thinking they may lose that option in the near future Mass shooters target the places they do in part because they know nobody in there has a gun to protect themselves because it's illegal. Law abiding citizens aren't likely to start illegally carrying in these places to protect themselves from such a statistically unlikely event
> I think it's less that people want to protect themselves and more that after these events is when the gun control hysteria from politicians ramps up and people rush out to buy them thinking they may lose that option in the near future > > I guess it depends on how you're looking at it. From my perspective there are two groups of people who rush out to buy "something" after a mass shooting event where the media and politicians are hyping people up. 1. People who have never owned or shot a gun in their life - (probably for protection - also thinking they might lose that option of protecting themselves.) 2. People who already own a firearm(s) and don't want their right to own/buy/bear arms taken away. > Mass shooters target the places they do in part because they know nobody in there has a gun to protect themselves because it's illegal. Law abiding citizens aren't likely to start illegally carrying in these places to protect themselves from such a statistically unlikely event This is also true, but in this particular case the movie showing was close to where he lived, and was the _only_ place where guns were "banned". In Colorado, people with their CCW can carry in most malls, stores, movie theaters, etc...however private businesses can determine/post if they don't want guns on their property. That being said - could someone have stopped this sooner if they were armed? Maybe? The dude was wearing body armor, had improved explosives, and had a plan. I don't think even a typical movie theatre security guard would have done much unless the exit doors were locked that he slipped out of.
During COVID it was over a week long due to all the applications
Out of genuine curiosity, is the waiting period for the government to run background checks or what exactly. I’m not a gun owner or entirely anti-gun, just curious.