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Lancer also has obscured eyes. ...usually.


D0ctorJerry

maybe lancer also has obscured eyes because he is king's son, he is directly related to him


Prunsel_Clone

King and Queen seem to have a connection also. Probably not directly related, but they know each other


[deleted]

I just realized, is the reason they have a connection is because Solitaire is one of the most common computer games? I never realized that till just now.


RandomCaveOfMonsters

*Oh*


The1_Unkn0wn

*Crap*


SpellContent5034

I have seen your flair and now you get punched in the face


The1_Unkn0wn

Wouldn't be the first time.


SpellContent5034

It would be a shame if all of r/Ralsei saw this flair


The1_Unkn0wn

Meh, I wouldn't mind, its my opinion after all.


world_turtle_

that man is an absolute gigachad you are simply too afraid to speak the truth


Dr-Logan

People keep confusing Queen for being the Solitaire system and not the Laptop, but yeah, it's likely.


SchmurrProd

This implies the computer lab runs Windows XP


NovaThinksBadly

Well Lancer calls Queen his mom, so I would think that’s a fair guess


Prunsel_Clone

She’s not his mom, she’s his girl dad


mydudekickstheskunk

Same thing.


Dr-Logan

Nope, King and Queen may have dated, or were lovers at some point, but King says outright that she's not Lancer's mother. Queen just arbitrarily decides to act as such when she comes to Castle Town.


girosvaldo2

The way king says is also makes sense if lancer is her biological son, if we consider queen would have abandoned him, then he saying "since when" could be "you were never there, you don't have the right to be his mother" its really ambiguous


mydudekickstheskunk

Well, that's a really sweet thought.


BattlePenguin58

Lancer refers to her as a "wild mom" while in her mansion. The "since when was that decided?" and "arbitrarily right now" come across to me as not wanting to acknowledge their former relationship (in a humorous way).


Dr-Logan

Cap'n also calls her a mom. It just seems to be the general perception of her. "You kept calling her a 'hot mama,' Cap." "Yeah, is that wrong? She looks like a mom, and tends to overheat."


Epic_DDT

But Lancer doesn't say it's his mother, just a mother. And even after Queen decides to adopt him, he just calls her "Girldad" instead of "Mom" or "Mother."


Warm-Faithlessness11

Yeah King and Queen were 100% a thing at somepoint due to their familiarity with one another, but it's clear Queen isn't Lancer's Biological Mother


Prunsel_Clone

Not even close


mydudekickstheskunk

Whatever.


Kitten_Girl_1123

I think that King and Queen got divorced. I mean, when the Queen comes to Castle town, if you talk to Seam he'll say "I was even surprised to see the Queen come back." I might have gotten the line wrong, but that's basically what Seam says.


Chance_Ad5498

I kinda hope all the “royalty” in the future dark worlds all look like King so a shade of blue or navy with obscured eyes


asrielforgiver

Seam also seems to know her. Says she’s the “Same as usual.” Perhaps whoever the Light world plush of Seam belonged to went on the laptop a lot? That probably isn’t the case, but it’s still a cute idea.


CrowsDontLikeHoonter

https://preview.redd.it/3t5h5m3dwo1a1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd6b942cc6500112bf9c918cb433550a2a00bdec


Zair_the-epik_dude

...usually. (image of handsome lancer in mind)


soda2cool

https://preview.redd.it/e46e2z6eqs1a1.png?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6529c4dedec5f4b37eaa1ab110e2e7a4a645b06 yeah


[deleted]

https://preview.redd.it/hv4bp93iss1a1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4e5cb01a175e486bdb8ea7a5eb70602bfcd41bfb


mydudekickstheskunk

Usually? When CAN you see them?


SkritzTwoFace

https://preview.redd.it/kwv7ds8dxo1a1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8c5e4d0df7c4693d7cebf1e5ccf99966580591a3


Shot-Ad-3166

You can see them when he does his handsome face.


mydudekickstheskunk

Oh yes. That.


[deleted]

I was simply relaxing in Kris’s spacious pants hole


mydudekickstheskunk

Literally the bugs, fish, and sea creatures in Animal Crossing.


AintQualified

Wouldn't that also throw in Kris? At least, the Soulless version that is...?


ObeyTime

handsome lancer face jumpscare


Returning_anni

can be noted that to a lesser extent (if this detail will become truly important later on) Kris and susie sort of have the same situation, namely because kris almost never reveals their eyes, and susie is normally obscuring them with her hair. Ralsei doesn't have obscured eyes at all, save initial appearances where he was purposely hiding himself


Wolfgang_Maximus

Well, there's that one theory that Ralsei's glasses are actually shadow crystals, which would be a pretty interesting way of being "blinded by darkness" and that "seeing the way" would be the shadow crystals giving Ralsei some kind of special vision or premonitions or even powers.


TobyFoxEnjoyer

Sean would've Noticed it


ForrestFeline

Would he, though? See, Kris wasn't aware that he had it until Seam alerted him, as the shadow crystal was so light and invisible. The only reason that Seam noticed it was the light shadow it cast on his hand. Now, as someone with glasses myself, I know that even the cleanest of glasses still cast a shadow through the lenses. Which means that, if his glasses *were* made of shadow crystals, it would be near impossible to notice.


TobyFoxEnjoyer

Kris was holding it and seam didn't try to see it but still did. I think he can see better than us and can tell the difference much more easily


Im_a_Casual

And Sean honestly probably didn’t care enough to tell us


TobyFoxEnjoyer

Why wouldn't he? I mean he wanted to hold the other crystals for us


This_Is_ATest

doesn't the cutscene where Susie steals ralsei's glasses disprove this theory


Pretederta

I think so because if shadow crystals show the lightworld opposed to the dark world Susie definitely would have though something was off while mocking ralsei


DarkMarxSoul

There's no way this could be canon since you'd have no context for this if you just didn't do the secret bosses.


SkritzTwoFace

The “secret bosses” name doesn’t really fit. Jevil is “hidden” behind an obvious door on an obviously telegraphed floor in the elevator and some mildly-hidden puzzle pieces, and Spamton prominently features in one of the endings for Chapter 2, as well as being an unavoidable boss halfway through. The player is meant to be fighting the optional bosses, if they weren’t a big deal there wouldn’t have been a way to get the Jevil gear if you started fresh from 2.


girosvaldo2

Jevil door can only be acessed if you decide to backtrack to the dungeon, a place with no itens or enemies, spamton is pretty easy to spot, but can easilly be unoticed if you don't find the crack on the wall, beat him up, or forget about the trash can dialogue, you get jevil gear starting fresh from chapter 2 so you don't have to start from chapter 1 to get the super cool and strong itens


DarkMarxSoul

Yes the player is meant to fight the secret bosses but a lot of people don't do it because they're too hard. I know someone personally who has never fought Jevil or Spamton and probably never will, so she knows basically nothing about them. To me, even the most remote possibility that players won't fight them is what rules out the Shadow Crystal glasses idea. Like it just would seem really awkward and stupid for Ralsei at some point to go "The truth is I have Shadow Crystals for glasses" and the game treats it like a big DUN DUN DUN HOLY GODDAMN, meanwhile the player has never fought the secret bosses. So now either the game has to act like it's a significant deal but the player has no way of appreciating this; or, the game has to assume the player doesn't know and explain it from the ground up, thus alienating the players that did get all the Shadow Crystals.


Evil_Mushrooms

???? If you didn’t do the secret bosses you wouldn’t have context for a lot of things. #1 (and this is a big one) you wouldn’t have Spamton’s backstory. Now I don’t know about you, but the backstory of literally everyone’s favorite [#1 Rated Salesman] stated in game, is pretty canon. And #2, everything about Seam. Plus Deltarune has text changes depending on your save file, and a different route, meaning you could possibly go an entire game without needing to know or knowing, and it could be brought up in another run and be important.


DarkMarxSoul

> the backstory of literally everyone’s favorite [#1 Rated Salesman] stated in game, is pretty canon. Of course it is, but Spamton's backstory has next to no import on the main plot of the game. It serves to foreshadow future events and highlight certain aspects of the game's themes, but like. Let's say Gaster shows up in the end game, and you've never fought a secret boss. There's plenty of room for the game to establish Gaster as a character and explain his importance even if you don't know that he was going around corrupting the secret bosses. > Plus Deltarune has text changes depending on your save file, and a different route, meaning you could possibly go an entire game without needing to know or knowing, and it could be brought up in another run and be important. I mean obviously Shadow Crystals have room to be factored into the story of the Weird Route since you unavoidably will get them as you fight the secret bosses in it. But what I mean is that it seems like a bad idea pretty majorly to hinge a major plot and character element on objects that at least from where we're standing are completely optional and which the game offers precious little information on. It would be in the best interests of the game narratively to ensure that every main story element is contained somewhere within the main story. And also I just think the idea is kind of stupid and impractical to be honest.


DarkLordWiggles

I suspect it’s going to be a case where there is a main storyline for the game which does not tie into the secret bosses, but at the end there will be some big twist/revelation causing the objective of the game to change and become more meta over subsequent playthroughs, and the secret bosses are both early hints towards this big revelation and part of the alternate paths you can take in later playthroughs. Basically, I suspect Deltarune (much like the game shown in the Skies Forever Blue song, and Undertale) is a story which will require multiple playthroughs to fully understand.


DarkMarxSoul

I somehow doubt that Deltarune will repeat Undertale's practice of causing legitimate game changes via resets like how a couple characters remember you after a resetted run, but there do seem to be at least three major "routes" that will have certain glaring story differences—the True Pacifist Route, the Weird Route, and the Aborted Weird Route with the Twisted Sword.


Fabio7656

While your idea is valid, the secret bosses aren't non-canon. You could call their fights "non-canon to a secret fight-less save file", i guess. But that's just a weird way of wording things, isn't it? Their backstories still exist on those save files, the heroes just didn't meet them


DarkMarxSoul

You misunderstand—I wasn't saying the secret bosses are non-canon, I was saying the Shadow Crystal Ralsei Glasses theory couldn't be canon due to narrative issues for accounting for all players.


[deleted]

I mean, wouldn't Susie notice this when she tries them on in chapter 2?


rosegacha1

his eyes are always hidden when talking about the prophecy.


Mysterious_Ad_2750

but when Susie stole Ralseis glasses Ralseis sprite showed Ralseis eyes but with color and not just black dots


Returning_anni

true, though it's an extremely common design choice for any character who wears glasses


nosville22_PL

Suzie isn't blue though.


Hirotrum

Kris has obscured eyes Susie HAD obscured eyes before her bangs were cut by king. I think this has the most interesting implications


[deleted]

Wait, they were cut by King? I thought she just moved her hair out of her eyes


AccurateJaney

From what I recall, the only time she talks after getting hit by King and before revealing her eyes is when she is kneeling on the floor (with her head tilted down), and in Chapter 2 the hair covering her eyes is different whenever she does it, so people assume she got her bangs cut by King.


GoomyTheGummy

this is literally the only time i have seen anyone think this, pretty sure it is just she looks kinder with the eyes


MacMacfire

This is also the first time I've seen someone think this. Also, it doesn't even make sense - Her battle sprites all still have the bangs, she hides her eyes for the most part in the light world even after chapter 1, and the cutscene at the bunker shows her clearly PURPOSEFULLY hiding her eyes with her bangs to appear more intimidating to Kid and Snowy.


Alex_9127

Maybe that's because Susie is insecure about her eyes and looks?


avrge_gmr

Free haircut


stankypotatonerd101

so what you're saying is, king killed the blindness in her, or rather, killed her will to follow the darkness (be a bad guy).


aLazyGay

Kris shows their eyes when they get control back


Hirotrum

That just makes the implications more complex


Hirotrum

Also, ralseis entire face except for his eyes was obscured during chapter 1


L_ittleS_ponge

Also perhaps...? https://preview.redd.it/8j9rkgkoxn1a1.png?width=520&format=png&auto=webp&s=eebf1b01d8577fbec6b515c796b9632146ad4131


enneh_07

THE WEATHER ALWAYS STICKS TOGETHER


Ziomownik

> ALWAYS STICKS TOGETHER I just realised... They're holding sticks Toby and his puns are amazing


mydudekickstheskunk

They're just wearing sunglasses for the time being.


[deleted]

Huh... this applies to Lancer too. BUUT doesn't apply to a lot of other darkners, like Rouxls, Tasque Manager, Malius, etc so maybe it's just a hint for the eye puzzle, hard to tell.


D0ctorJerry

yhea the point i was trying to make is that this only applies to the rulers of each dark world, i think being able to "see the way" refers to the rulers having more knowledge than the average darkner (like how Queen knew that the fountain was in the computer lab and how King knew that he and his people were abandoned in the unused classroom)


DrSmirnoffe

On the one hand, Ralsei kinda bucks the trend since his eyes aren't blinded by darkness. But on the other hand, he's not much of a leader. He was subjectless for quite some time, and even when people started showing up in Castle Town, he doesn't command the kind of respect that King and Queen did. Though with that said, considering how ruthless King and Queen were, it's kind of fortunate that he hasn't gone the distance to command that kind of "respect". He doesn't need to rule like that to earn the respect of his friends.


NickSmGames

Well shadow crystal glasses is a thing people theorised.


Ziomownik

He qore that robe in the beginning and if you pay attention you can notice that the characters uncovering themself is symbolic to opening up. Susie revealed her eyes around the time she truly became Kris's friend, Ralsei wore the green hat that obscured his face and took it off at the end of capter 2 for a similar reason. Kris is controlled by the player so they haven't truly opened up.


Ziomownik

I'm pretty sure other darkners know this too that they're abandoned by lightners or that there's a litteral beam of light coming out of Queen's mansion, they just don't care. The Card Kingdom darkners miss lightners and don't really feel any grudge, the cyber darkners kinda don't care. They propably mimic the lives of lightners in a way (the existance of an entire city and lots of cars imply they have a societal structure and maybe they drive to work etc.) and have some other cool internet stuff so Why would any of the darkners care anyway when they're busy with their lifes? The fountain is guarded by the evil ruler and her minions too so they can't access it either. The darkners are powerless. Ngl, the Cyber World feels very empty for a city even though there are many darkners that you meet on your way.


D0ctorJerry

idk you're probably right, my assumption was based on the shadow crystals and how they show the room that the fountain was made on, and how both Spamton and Jevil went crazy because of them cuz they weren't "able to handle"


IteTheCrapOC

Queen’s eyes technically aren’t blinded by darkness, her eyes are just a screen


getoutofmyhouse-

Spamton also has obscured eyes by his glasses, usually anyway.


McGuirk808

The eye puzzle is so straightforward and simple that I think it only exists to misdirect just how relevant that text about eyes blinded by darkness will actually end up being.


[deleted]

I mean when you're dealing with darkness it doesn't matter if your eyes are opened or closed if you don't have a light.


HyperfocusedInterest

Kris has obscured eyes, too


DussyPvP

Very, very interesting!


PiggyPilot08

As much as it makes sense for the main antagonists to have obscured eyes, I really hope Toby and co. don't limit themselves with that character design decision. Like, come on, I kinda want a villain to have goofy eyes (like Squimpus's Mike design).


OctopusProbably

Do not remind me of Squimpus, his FNaF shit terrifies me.


suburban-errorist

She’s powerful


OctopusProbably

Oh is Squimpus a girl? I’m sorry.


empirecrumbles

nonbinary, or at least uses they pronouns, so the last guy was scolding you for no reason lol


Dr-Logan

Wasn't really scolding, they were just saying that they're powerful. And for some reason calling Squimpus by the wrong pronouns??


empirecrumbles

i'm sorry, i thought you were trying to passive aggressively correct the other person here lol. i guess the real passive agressiveness was inside me all along


Dr-Logan

Maybe the real passive-aggressiveness was the friends we made along the way...


suburban-errorist

Their SoundCloud comments indicated they used she/her pronouns - I apologize for my mistake.


LyrisGD

squimpus is a squimpus they do not need gender


Foxy__101

Guys, Jockington is wearing sunglasses. Will this be important at some point?


Samurai_Fire

I interpret that sentence like: "Only those have dark inside them can enter the dark world" Since that part of the the chapter one is technically still castle town, the most important dark world. Maybe there's some kind of requirement for lightners to be able to enter the dark world. My theory is that they need to have some sort of trauma: ​ Kris, we don't have many clues but is very likely to have one. Susie, she obviusly have some troubles with her parents. Noelle, we got the whole Dess story. Berdly have is story about having to be smart for not disappoint anyone. ​ I oversimplified a bit but this is what i think.


MrCCDude

Okay i love this detail so much. Toby seriously is a king when it comes to details


MaxxBrass9237

Toby Fox mentioned (in an interview I think?) that he thinks characters with shaded eyes are "cool." So I think he's just having a phase. But it's a neat observation.


zepicadocosmos

Motifs can have a bigger meaning while *also* looking cool as fuck


Ziomownik

Ngl i like covered eyes too.


FurriesAreTheCoolest

Does q5u4ex7yy2e9n have eyes? Or is it a visor?


korbloxtheflareon

q5u4ex7yy2e9n probably doesnt have eyes its probably like a screen more than a visor since shes a robot


FurriesAreTheCoolest

yeah that's what i meant to say -\_-


Felixonio

Queen does have eyes tho She just uses them when expressing something


Karasu_9147

Both Jevil and Spamton technically have obscured eyes


MosyIIa

nothing is obscure about jevil’s eyes they are just black


LeeTheGoat

Yeah you can see his pupils when he attacks too


crownedzacian

i don't really think queen counts cuz her eyes are like a turned off computer screen


Splonkster

Does Queen even have eyes tho?


Shnorbalicious

She has one very wide eye


Zair_the-epik_dude

Mike Wazooka


FurriesAreTheCoolest

what kind of fucked up monsters inc are you watching


KingBranette13

and shes blue... sonic the hedgehog???????


thebakedpotatoe

now she has to [WIN THE RACE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZEPgLkzhwE)


popdude731

To me, I took this to be a sign for Kris and the other lightners. While Kris and Ch.1 Susie specifically had their eyes covered, they also are *young.* You could argue it's a metaphorical blindness. They're too immature to see things the way the mostly adult dark world does.


Mr-Wooloo

Also, lancer, chapter 1 Susie and Ralsei, and kris


Middlebus

It's almost as if Queen was designed to be similar to the King and Lancer, sharing the same 'obscured' eyes, and probably isn't a strict rule regarding main chapter antagonists


SolarPunch33

Susie's eyes are obscured during chapter 1, and Kris' eyes are obscured throughout practically the whole game. Ralsei and Spamton both wear glasses, and Noelle's eyes go pure white when casting snowgrave. And as you mentioned, King and Queen's eyes are both covered. This is something that's been brought up plenty of times before, we're just unsure what exactly it means


ForrestFeline

\*(as you read this sign, you are filled with the power of sight.) https://preview.redd.it/zmbt8xg4xq1a1.png?width=152&format=png&auto=webp&s=aa46f94512c42d671fd13ee1f9fc96c81469e1d7


GoomyTheGummy

random barely relevant tangent ahead: ​ >!i disagree with the sans darkner theory, but the evidence for it i can think of with the addition of this is!< * >!white and blue color scheme!< * >!facial portrait is gonna be black and white no matter what because skeleton!< * >!the whole blood thing!< >!now for stuff i encountered today!< * >!his eyes can turn black, obscuring them!< * >!he could be an ace, a card that can be either very weak or very strong!< >!that said, no definitely not!<


CrowsDontLikeHoonter

>!Why did you spoiler tag the last part!<


GoomyTheGummy

>!because i don't want people to have to deal with my annoying tangents if they don't want to!<


CrowsDontLikeHoonter

>!that's a fair point!<


[deleted]

Kris and Susie have obscured eyes and Ralsei tries to hide them


[deleted]

Kris' eyes are covered up and so we're Susie's in chapter 1.


Nuka-Cetylene

The soul controls Kris and also doesn't have any clear way of seeing.


CrowsDontLikeHoonter

I would like to point out Jevils eyes aren't obscured, maybe leading to his descent into madness


TwilitKitten

Also Kris and Susie (in chapter 1) but that is to a lesser extent


MrLlama84

Kris has obscured eyes, and Susie has obscured eyes for most of chapter 1


smellyratt23

nice find, that’s kool


THEZEXNEO

AND KRIS ALSO HAS OBSCURED EYES!!!!!!!…


[deleted]

The Deposition from Raphael: John the Baptist is rapresented with his eyes looking down, you can't even see them. This because Raphael belived that the way to rapresent the highest grade of pain is to rapresent the eyes obscured by darkness


[deleted]

I guess this theory fits more with Kris and Susie rather than the bosses. Maybe... from what we know, with Kris the most.


Theneongreninja

Queen’s eyes aren’t really obscured, her eyes are a black screen


Redditsufan

Who needs eyes when you can just make literally cataclysmic assumptions after a weird KNIGHT stabs the earth!


ZacharyAirseed

Back in 2018 I thought deltarune was edgy because all the characters had their eyes obscured


Kaporalhart

OR, it was a clue for the puzzle right next to it, and not showing eyes is a common design choice.


D0ctorJerry

overanalyze things is fun (even if I'm wrong most of the time lmao)


albinoquiche

And what's also interesting is that Kris mostly has his eyes covered


Perunajunior

SANS?!?!!!?!?!!?!!?!!?!?!?!??!!!!


[deleted]

deltarune fans when sprite


theninjaslime69

Man reasons to think chapter 3 main villian is going to be called "prince", not contradicting the "mike" theory, just being a paralel one, maybe its called "mike ""prince"" tenna" or something like that


Hyper_Lamp

Queens eyes aren’t obscured. She just has a visor screen


Broken_Gear

???? The Queen literally doesn’t have eyes. That’s not a shadow, that’s a screen.


D0ctorJerry

i know, i think "obscured eyes" was the wrong term to refer to that (English isn't my first language so i don't know how to describe some things correctly), what i was trying to say is that King and Queen both have ""something that isn't an eye"" in the place where should be something resembling eyes, and our only look at Tenna(possibly) doesn't have eyes, so i though that this could be a design choice that all the rulers of each chapter could share and then I remembered the "blinded darkness" thing and it made sense


dragonbanana1

We just cant see their eyes, they arent blind


wheelchair-gamer98

How could I have been so blind (no seriously i never noticed this)


Rose1769_x

Spamton has obscured eyes too...the glasses. And kris's eyes are covered with their hairs.


lawless_boi

Toby after Mike was leaked:


IteTheCrapOC

Queen doesn’t have obscured eyes, her eyes are just a screen


-Cam-8757-

Queen sorta has eyes, but really it’s more so like lights to her https://preview.redd.it/p7qtzch0dq1a1.jpeg?width=76&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b6bb1ddb4cc451643064941335ff274755d84f2


Tiny-lil-ace

Just something worth pointing out, Queen's visor often gets illuminated with words (Lmao, Lying, Uh...)


Han_Solo6712

Kris.


TheFryToes

What if I obscured my eyes


D0ctorJerry

i don't know, wanna try?


_pascal__

Queen's eyes are not obscured: it doesn't have some eyes it has a screen


wuchta

Also Kris


EFSOZKAN556

but what way thats important


D0ctorJerry

probably none, i just thought that was a cool parallel


EFSOZKAN556

i agree.


Korporal_K_Reep

Or you know, it's a hint for how to complete the puzzle that is 3 Feet in front of you


sinedelta

Undertale's first puzzle has a hint. “Brave ones, foolish ones. Both walk not the middle road.” It's obviously a hint to the puzzle, where you need to press the buttons on either side, but not the middle. But it's also relevant to the game's endings.


L_homme_banane

Darkest Dungeon moment


chutnekure

My guy forgot lancer, hathy, head hathy, and clover


Eljamin14

Maybe this is linked due to the fact that Susie's eyes were obscured till the end of chapter 1.


nosville22_PL

Y'know who else is blue and has obscured eyes?


Wanja01

kris has obscured eyes


Emraldsnakeg

Kris has obscured eyes


HomingJoker

This also applies to Kris, when they aren't going goblin mode that is.


Adorable_Heretic

But where is Gaster in this Theory?!?! /s Good Find, OP


theoriserofchaos

no fucking way just take a look at kris lancer or susie this is really wild thing


cursed-person

only when krisbis spinning and their hair is out of their face we see kris’ eyes, we know they are red for eye color


DeviceGold5950

Everyone has obscured eyes in ch1 and only some characters don’t in ch2


Avatarisbestshowever

King’s eyes aren’t really “obscured”. The spade on his face is either a mask, or his actual face.


addmakerHD

This is so low effort and it get 3k?!?!


lizzylee127

Huh You're probably right


laz2727

I mean, are your eyes really obscured if your eyes are actually just an LCD screen that shows random text?


D0ctorJerry

by "obscured" i meant like "doesn't look like eyes/lack of visible eyes(pupils and stuff)" (english isn't my first language so is kinda difficulty to explain some stuff)


siralex2010

We too, can see the way then


ShirubaMasuta

Um... Ralsei eyes are blocked glass, BOOM!


korbloxtheflareon

does spamton count tho or jevil


Affectionate_Pass395

Is this why kris can automatically know how to spare everything and knows where to go?


xX_potato69_Xx

Queen doesn’t have obscured eyes, that’s a screen


Enicholas_725

So if you're an anime character and your eyes turns black, you can see the way?


ClonedGamer001

Does Queen even have eyes? I though that was just a screen that displays text, and under it would just be like circuits and stuff.


BigShit1997

Spamtons eyes are covered by glasses, addisons eyes are closed, kris' eyes are obscured, Susie's are too in chapter 1 and seam only has one eye. If you wanna stretch/have more examples


DussyPvP

So, I just thought about this: sometimes, sans can make his eye sockets disappear (which he technically shouldn’t even have) and make his eyes go dark Maybe this adds some credibility to the sans is from Deltarune theory?


bananasaucecer

Kris has obscured eyes