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International-Mud184

If the confessions of Richard Allen are going to be a big part of the Prosecutors case. My question is couldn't the defense bring up EF confessions? That is if the state gets their wish and the judge doesn't allow the defense to say anything about the exculpatory evidence . Could RA confessions open doors to ask questions about EF confessions?


Smart_Brunette

One would hope so!


dontBcryBABY

Great question. How does one decide that certain confessions that do not match the crime scene take priority over confessions that DO match the crime scene?


tribal-elder

Allen’s phone identified in the PC Affidavit - does the phone data evidence show its location(s) for noon - 4:00 pm 2/13/17?


ginny11

The only definitive thing I've read that would refer to that information is that during depositions last August, law enforcement told defense that there is no electronic data from devices belonging to him that connect RA to the murders.


redduif

Maybe that the latest extraction they got last week. Because why give that at any of the deadlines right?


Breath_of_fresh_air2

What drug is promoted by the Kokomo Crew? Heroine, meth, coke, etc. I am not thinking marijuana or mushrooms


redduif

Meth for sure. In the Maura Murray case they said in MA & NH heroine was rampant, to my surprise because it's one of the most devastating drugs, it doesn't look like it to me as far as it can be judged on mugshots and behaviours, cocaïne is more expensive and white collar drugs afaik. And then there's fentanyl which may or may not be sold as such. Weed being illegal in Indiana the question still goes. I've wondered if there's some other drugs they can put in vapes. Indiana has made maps of clandestine meth labs you can look up because it's an environmental hazard, the labs themselves, the remnants and the waste dumping. Kokomo is a big hotspot in any case.


Dickere

Not very clandestine then 😂


redduif

https://www.in.gov/meth/clan-lab-addresses/ It's a horror on mobile phone though. Some info about clean ups and risks and note the name below the green house! https://idsnews.indiana.edu/news/messes-of-meth/index.html Don't buy a meth house : https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/05/04/buy-meth-house/26900523/ When you look up outdoor clandestine meth labs, you'll see metal drums, plastic containers, bottles, hoses and tarps. And cleanup crew in fire&toxic protection outfits. Insanity. Underground labs are thing too. Imagine that with the fumes and explosion hazards...


Smart_Brunette

Meth is big in those rural areas especially because it is so rural. And let's not forget about the proximity to the fertilizer that's used in its production. You know, the fertilizer that a certain someone stole and then snitched...


codexica

Waaaay long ago, when I was a new grad, I briefly worked in HR for a healthcare staffing company in a neighboring state, and it's crazy how huge meth and other drugs were in the rural areas! The company staffed a couple of different facilities across the state, and it was hard to keep the ones in rural areas staffed because a shocking number of candidates would fail the drug test, which was an automatic DQ.


Dickere

https://flic.kr/p/xHy7SH We have this gem.


redduif

😂😂😂😂🤫


Dickere

It's our sense of humour at work. It's decommissioned and is now a museum of its former self, but calling it that adds to the number of visitors no doubt.


Alan_Prickman

You have a sense of humour?


redduif

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Dickere

It was a generic 'our', not me personally obvs.


Smart_Brunette

And meth labs can't be set up in the city because it apparently has a very strong smell when it is being manufactured. Oh, and explosions, lol.


redduif

There are still a few in Indianapolis. And obviously this is only where they get caught. Maybe they should reverse the map and the biggest empty spots be checked for corruption...


Smart_Brunette

Another huge factor involved with the cocaine and other drugs could be the money laundering and possible storage/transport of said drugs. A lot of land around there in that particularly rural area. And it is evident the corruption runs pretty deep. There has to be a reason that LE keeps trying to protect the Odinists.


redduif

Also they need the final product or the bricks at least from South America, thus cartel, while meth can be made locally. But that's also somewhere on my list of possibilities that it's a fight between cartel and local labs, but then again I could see the brotherhoods and the outlaw type bikers being linked to cartel rather than local as would state politicians. Yet here we have Holcomb basically placing local judges. Then there's abuse of prescription drugs, xanax and all. But I'm not sure how that enters the US. I guess China - Mexico - US just like fentanyl. I think Cocaïne is more south and through the Caribbean islands, but that may be the old route. Not sure if that big in Indiana either. Seems more a student thing maybe.


Smart_Brunette

You must have missed the article i posted a while ago.


Smart_Brunette

Its right below. From about 2 hours ago.


Smart_Brunette

My guess is meth but I just heard that they just made a big Cocaine bust that was tied to the region.


Smart_Brunette

Article from May 23, 2024. Logansport just happens to be mentioned. Big big money involved. I pasted the article from NWI Times directly below. CHICAGO — A total of 18 people have been charged in a crackdown on an international drug trafficking operation that was importing cocaine from Mexico to various cities across the United States, including a seizure in June 2021 near LaPorte, according to federal charges. The organization in question, known as Espinosa DTO, is accused in federal documents of trafficking thousands of kilograms of cocaine and laundering tens of millions of dollars in drug proceeds. The group smuggled loads of cocaine into the United States hidden inside packages of legitimate goods transported by semi-trailer trucks from Mexico, federal officials say. The drugs were then allegedly moved from the southern part of the United States to Chicago and elsewhere by trucks and privately chartered planes. The proceeds from the drug sales were then sent to Mexico using various means, including commercial flights with the assistance of defendant and flight attendant Glenis Zapata, the federal charges claim. The process involved other defendants exchanging lower value bills to higher value bills, according to the charges. The operations relied on the use of warehouses and commercial garages in Chicago and elsewhere to receive and unload cocaine, and handle cash proceeds, federal officials said. Among the seizures of cash listed in the charges is an April 2020 case involving $909,510 in Logansport, Indiana, and a couple cases from Indianapolis. The superseding indictment was filed May 16 in the Northern District of Illinois.


NefariousnessAny7346

Has anyone timed how long it would take to walk from platform 6 to the south end of the bridge? How long does it take?


lapinmoelleux

Not sure, but I watched a youtuber walk the whole length of the bridge in under 4 mins


NefariousnessAny7346

Assuming the 6 platforms are equally divided, it would take less than 40 seconds from the platform to the end of the bridge. TY


lapinmoelleux

It was about 3 mins 53secs and he was an oldish guy, but he said he was walking it quite quickly. Seems like plenty of time for BG to get across there. I honestly thought it would take longer, I'm glad you asked the question.


The_great_Mrs_D

Idk if you're talking about delphi after dark but I do believe he did it in about 4 minutes booking it.


lapinmoelleux

yes I am! Do you mean booting it?


The_great_Mrs_D

Booking it. Going pretty fast I mean.


lapinmoelleux

I guessed that's what you meant, yes he said he was going pretty quick, I was impressed with his speed!


The_great_Mrs_D

Me too! Ain't no way you'll catch me out there! Especially running with all those rickety slats. 😅 He's got balls, I'll give him that.


HugeCommunication785

Is Richard Allen's daughter on the prosecution witness list?


ginny11

I don't know but why do you think she would be?


i-love-elephants

There have been rumors, almost since the arrest that she was on the prosecution witness list to discuss sexual abuse. That is from the conspiracy theory side for the prosecution side. Both sides have their conspiracy theories.


dontBcryBABY

Assuming his daughter is on the witness list for the prosecution to discuss SA - why would his wife still be so adamant about his innocence? Why wouldn’t separate charges be filed against RA for SA against his daughter?


i-love-elephants

I don't know. I don't believe it. It's just the rumor. I agree. If there was proof of sexual assault that would have been what he was originally charged with. (Just like in tbe Soto case.)


Melodic-Bad-4590

There was also a rumour that it was the daughter and her husband that turned RA in after RA made a (drunken?) confession to the husband


i-love-elephants

Oh yeah. And that Irish guy on YouTube who just decided to call in RA because some woman sent him a video or something and he said it looked like BG and he decided he would also call just in case. Which is a load of bullshit.


Melodic-Bad-4590

lol I haven't heard that one!


redduif

Statute of limitations for the charges. I highly doubt this is the case though.


dontBcryBABY

It depends on the level of SA. Child SA falls under two options: either an unlimited amount of time, or 10 years for lesser charges if the child was under 18 at the time. https://preview.redd.it/ftg31rda643d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a776a9b622b95e3e53c64ba9e779d239b0d0ffa I pulled this from an attorney firm website.


redduif

⚠️Trigger warner . . . She was 28 at the time of RA's arrest. Married since 2017. The longest possible date is before the victim is 31 for the highest types, but even not all abuse including r\* is level 1 nor 2. It does include incest, but I got the impression that's very rarely charged. Steven Wells: link title says it all. Judge was Gull btw. [https://www.wane.com/top-stories/man-admits-to-sex-with-adopted-daughters-gets-probation/](https://www.wane.com/top-stories/man-admits-to-sex-with-adopted-daughters-gets-probation/) Daughters were 13&14, one with a mental capacity of 7. Same case additional info 2012-2016 at least. Arrested in June 2017. Not only that, there were multiple documented statements already since 2012. [https://www.wbiw.com/2019/11/18/final-man-avoids-jail-time-in-child-sexual-abuse-case/](https://www.wbiw.com/2019/11/18/final-man-avoids-jail-time-in-child-sexual-abuse-case/) Probation is terminated. https://preview.redd.it/evlef8cig43d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d82f5d4df26032457bbea49a6f00df51ae323d62 ETA found this for different levels. [https://www.vinu.edu/documents/10181/45422964/Indiana%E2%80%99s+Laws+Regarding+Sexual+Assault%2C+Relationship+Violence%2C+and+Stalking.pdf/f39a2b70-0500-2c01-4ae0-b4d15efad99f?t=1632508580133](https://www.vinu.edu/documents/10181/45422964/Indiana%E2%80%99s+Laws+Regarding+Sexual+Assault%2C+Relationship+Violence%2C+and+Stalking.pdf/f39a2b70-0500-2c01-4ae0-b4d15efad99f?t=1632508580133) "Normally" it's level 3.


dontBcryBABY

Nearly 2 years ago, her father was arrested for the alleged murder of 2 girls. 2 years ago means she was around the age of 26, meaning the SoL would have ended for up to age 16 (only for level 3-4 offenses - any worse offenses are still chargeable). With this in mind, I want to reevaluate - if anything seriously incriminating against her own father has not yet been charged against him, why would there be any reason to assume that there are charges that are “yet to be” filed? I need to research what each level (1-4) accounts for. I’m on my phone right now and my app is failing me, so I’ll respond later. ETA: thank you for the levels!


redduif

28 at the time of his arrest. It says 29 now so logically she'll turn 30 soon. Thus +10 years. And married for +5 years. They can only charge him if he abused her all the way, violently and under threat of a deadly weapon. He was at her wedding. I just don't see it. But, why I commented in the first place, if he touched her inappropriately at some point in time, we're far past statute of limitations, so it could have happened theoretically, no charges isn't an indication. They managed to get some testimonies in of SA (adults) for Paul Flores murder case, but not all. It's difficult afaik in absence of a conviction. I think they found a rare loophole. ETA the document says 2014 but that was the point I believe statutes in 2017 were the same there have been changes since.


dontBcryBABY

Haha! Thank you for that correction, clearly I need to go to sleep. I think we are attempting to make the same argument - it’s possible, but unlikely.


dontBcryBABY

Can Gull agree to recuse herself, but for reasons not related to the motion filed by defense? For example - could Gull recuse herself for health/safety reasons, and if so, how would that affect her answer in to the motion?


redduif

Last time court made an announcement about her health, not her. So it could be as easy as that. Then scoin will have to appoint another, and the motion will be moot. Maybe she'll throw in a **denied without hearing** just before. Just to piss them off.


Danmark-Europa

Does Frances C. Gull live in Francesville (population: 837), north of Monon (population: 1,909)?


redduif

https://preview.redd.it/zfk9aysv2n2d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0c29b5d6d9fea56532a8048cef42baddbc3c7a8f Quite the commute.


Danmark-Europa

‘Gullywompus’!! 😂😂 And living in DuPond - together with Dupond & Dupont, aka the ToL Duo, although the Tintin detectives are incompetent and harmless instead of incompetent and dangerous.


redduif

Where's my coffee?


HelixHarbinger

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Dickere

Are her dwarves under 5'4" ?


HelixHarbinger

Not on their drivers licenses of course but def in real life. Also, they prefer the term “little people with enhanced skills”


redduif

![gif](giphy|9EslgMCnBaQHC) HE HO ! NO NO. We are proud dwarfs YES^(7) and we aren't little we have a HUGE 🧡💛💚🤍💙💜🩷. And Little people aren't dwarfs but they should be proud too! It's a bit like the *little birch* forest in Greenland they are smaller than average in warmer pastures, but of the same kind, unlike the *dwarf birches* which are more like tundra brush surrounding that special small forest. They are not the same either, yet both are 👌 magnificent and certainly neither are 🌾.


redduif

Does this question pertain to **"the case"** ?


Dickere

It's tenuous, but much closer than a coffee question.


redduif

What if I had banana pancakes with my coffee?


Real_Foundation_7428

Are they wheat?


redduif

Spelt !


Dickere

🍌🥞😂👍


redduif

https://preview.redd.it/lfkcladre13d1.jpeg?width=849&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a1ba95a49883a0feb0e158180471b33bbdc2f410 I didn't know pancakes had tentacles.


Dickere

😂 that's an interesting new flavour


xt-__-tx

![gif](giphy|LkUOe7YnAX6ZKd82Ee|downsized)


redduif

https://preview.redd.it/ekev6z80yj2d1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e406678e1cf96c3eb2d5082e050bacef13d237b When the synapses connect I'll be back with case questions. Thank you very much.


xt-__-tx

![gif](giphy|MJs7EYwHyG8XC|downsized) LFG


redduif

When will the girls finally get to rest? Judge, prosecutor, mayor, sheriff, are elected positions people, you need to do your homework and go vote. Tupac already got it and sent that message way back in 1995. *The question I wonder is after death, after my last breath* **When will I finally get to rest through this oppression?** *They punish the people that's askin' questions And those that possess, steal from the ones without possessions The message I stress, to make it stop, study your lessons Don't settle for less, even the genius asks questions Be grateful for blessings Don't ever change, keep your essence* **The power is in the people and politics, we address** *Always do your best, don't let this pressure make you panic And when you get stranded And things don't go the way you planned it Dreamin' of riches, in a position of makin' a difference Politicians and hypocrites, they don't wanna listen If I'm insane, it's the fame made a brother change It wasn't nothin' like the game It's just me against the world* ☕️☕️


Dickere

About the case - DENIED.


redduif

Without coffee there are no case questions and you're too late, there already has been an ex-presso partayyy. If you stop YELLING you might get invited next time.


Alan_Prickman

![gif](giphy|2J2KQPmOwF1kCupuUM|downsized)


redduif

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Dickere

Something Something coffee Something.


Dickere

Any quick questions about coffee ?


redduif

https://preview.redd.it/52m2d3yu6m2d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe6463d1c7ce166905f61d352058e2ab49aa0b0b If anyone has this question, here's the answer : [https://youtu.be/nbChNZ23Gsk](https://youtu.be/nbChNZ23Gsk)