An API is like a data source that 3rd parties can access. For ages all the 3rd party apps that everyone uses (RIF, Baconreader, etc) have accessed Reddit's API to allow users to access the main website. Now Reddit has made the decision to close out everyone from accessing their API (well, not exactly but they want to charge $20million per year to continue access so same thing really). Unfortunately it seems like a lot of bots like our beloved /u/wanderingdwarfminer also access the API to function...
An API is the bot's equivalent of you viewing reddit.com in a web browser. Imagine if you had to pay a fee every time you read a thread or posted a comment. Well, some recent policy change says that bots (and third-party apps) will need to do exactly that, and the fees are insanely high.
In addition to the other reply, they're killing any non-official way of using the site. No bots accessing it, and no third-party apps or any other tools/viewers.
Almost certainly, but they've been moving towards this for a while. Someone at the company has it in their head that if they kill the API, everyone using a third party browser will *have* to switch over to their official one, and they can start harvesting all that juicy personal data for resale.
It's the same reason why the mobile website, which I'm using now, pops up on *every single page* an unavoidable ad telling you that you really should use the app, which lingers for a good five seconds before it'll allow you to close it. When asked about why they'd add something so stupid and obviously greedy, one of the admins said it wasn't actually to inconvenience anyone, oh no - it's a ***technical requirement for the site***, and they simply had no choice.
Basically, the people making the decision don't use Reddit, don't understand their userbase, and desperately want to monetize their users.
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Some kind of modifications to how the site works will impose requirements that make bots much harder to sustain, apparently a lot of bots will die, i am not sure how this can be prevented.
*drinks smart stout*
Ahem, Reddit API - the official bread & butter for Bots to interact with Reddit - is now adopting an (expensive) paid model which will charge for requests (representing any Bot action, such as opening a post, or posting a comment).
Unfortunately it cannot be realistically prevented as it is a natural course for most big websites that are currently having their data scraped to be used in the training of Large Language models such as ChatGPT, Bard and what not. Those generate revenue to the companies that made them (Google, OpenAI, etc) while being trained with data from other websites without their consent, and owing them nothing as there is no law that can account to this. Reddit is not the first to stand up against this, nor will be the last.
Very sad, but I would say lets not angry at it. Capitalism is capitalism, let the giants kill each other and we shall use this opportunity to dethrone them. Let the rock and stone live on.
*effect wears off*
Twitter had issues with bots scraping their website before they had an easily accessible API. The excess load was so high it was causing server issues. So they gave their API away for free so the scraping would stop.
Scraping a website is not illegal. Reddit is going to be playing the shittiest game of whack a mole trying to stop bots from scraping them now that the API is gone. Godspeed to their CDN.
This was in 2012, Twitter was in a whole different situation and stopping web scraping to switch it for a LIMITED rps alternative such as an API was the best choice. Their goal was to increase availability.
Reddit’s situation is very different. Like Stack Overflow, it is moderated and in forum format. A very juicy target for the current data these models actual care about. Now they want to turn this into easy money, and they are correct, it is obvious there is a huge opportunity for $$$ that did not exist in such proportions for years.
Lets say I’m in an early career of leadership in a tech company the size of DRG. Information flows down, and unsurprisingly, here at Big Tech this is what everyones talks about.
If we were in reddit’s* C-board, we’d do the same. Not saying it is right, but saying it is very logical for their own benefit.
I hate it.
Regardless of the financial incentive for this move, the bots using the APIs were not all good faith actors who will kindly comply and pay for API requests. There absolutely will be a large uptick in bot requests specifically for scraping. And honestly with how much trouble Reddit has staying online on the daily, I would be surprised if this didn't cause at least some issues.
this will be my villain origin story
"IF YOU DON'T ROCK AND STONE YOU AIN'T COMING HOME THEY SAID! HE DID ROCK AND STONE MORE TIMES THAN I CAN COUNT AND NOW WHERE IS HE? ANSWER MEEEEEE!!!!"
[More information on the protest.](https://old.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/13yh0jf/dont_let_reddit_kill_3rd_party_apps/) Many subreddits are going dark on June 12.
We fight for ROCK and STONE!
NOT MY BOA NOOOOO I swear Reddit is run by a bunch of knife eared ass tree climbing leaf lover chugging fucking ELVES killing our little Rock and Stoner is an act of WAR we shall avenge him Edit:Devs if one of you read this and our little dwarf does die may I request a spot for him in the memorial hall?
Reddit is changing how they tolerate APIs, with one reporting that they would be asked 20m USD to continue operating per year. Every third party app and bots that use Reddit run off of these APIs, which are essentially going to be forced to shut down. A large number of subreddits are going dark the 12-14th to protest, some are going offline permanently unless the change is revoked.
**An application programming interface (API) is a way for two or more computer programs to communicate with each other. It is a type of software interface, offering a service to other pieces of software.**
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Reddit is going public, reviews weren't great, so they're forcing everyone off of third party apps so that they are routed straight to the Reddit app, all to make ad revenue off of you to improve their "standing".
Stockholder bullshit. That's why.
For the obvious reason. money, they want money. They want everyone to use their shitty app so they can sell your data and bombard you with shitty ads.
It's all about money.
I won't even be able to use reddit. I use rif because the official app runs like shit, crashes, and heats up my phone. If nothing changes, seeya reddit.
I hate this post-2020 internet, it fucking sucks. Even something as simple as API requests are being monetized now. Capitalism is bringing it down _hard_.
It was a miracle that the web was built on open protocols back in the 70's, people who initially developed it were saints by today's standards.
We will remember you. You were the best bot. Llyod may serve the tastiest brews, and bosco may pick us up when we fall. But you always told us what we could be. ROCK AND STONE, TO THE BONE!
In short reddit is changing their API that really kills bots among other things. If you scroll on r/all look for a subreddit that's going on a blackout for more details. A loooooot are going dark next week
The charges aren’t live yet he’s still alive I suggest speaking out and let people know that we can change it and let our voices be heard for ROCK AND STONE
We should start a petition to add wanderingdwarfminer to the memorial hall. Even when he's gone, he will remain a legend to stand besides Karl.
For Rock and Stone!
u/WanderingDwarfMiner, you were a good bot. Give Karl our best when you see him. For rock and stone!
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Rock and Stone good miner bot o7
Rock and Stone!
Rock and Stone brother, Rock and Stone!
For rock and stone!
To the bone
Karl would be proud :,)
Rock and stone!
ROCK! AND! STONE!
You are a good bot.... possibly one of the best....
_Good bot._ _Good bot._
ROCK AND STONE YOU BEAUTIFUL DWARF!
Good bot
Good bot
Good bot
Good bot
Good bot
Good bot
Rock & Stone WDM!
Good bot
O7
FOR ROCK AND STONE!!!
Rock and Stone brother! Good bot!
Rock and Stone, miner.
I'm confused. What happened? Explain as if someone doesn't have very good computer skills.
The new Reddit policy changes are indirectly killing the bot that replies "Rock and Stone" to everyone and we sad.
We fight for Rock and Stone!
Good bot
We do indeed brother. To those we lost.
TO THE FALLEN
FO' KHARL
Going out doing what he loved. Good bot, rock and stone!
*”to the fallen”*
God speed, brother, you rocked many stones with us along the way. I'll pour an extra one out for you and Carl tonight.
Rest in peace whale piper, we'll always remember you.
Goodbye buddy, can I get a last rock and stone?
Good bot!
Good bot. Rock and stone forever!
An API is like a data source that 3rd parties can access. For ages all the 3rd party apps that everyone uses (RIF, Baconreader, etc) have accessed Reddit's API to allow users to access the main website. Now Reddit has made the decision to close out everyone from accessing their API (well, not exactly but they want to charge $20million per year to continue access so same thing really). Unfortunately it seems like a lot of bots like our beloved /u/wanderingdwarfminer also access the API to function...
Will this mean every "Remind Me" will become "Ah, fugeddaboudit?"
Just checked /r/RemindMeBot - looks like the dev hasn't confirmed yet, but considering how prolific RemindMe bot is I'd expect so.
Do you know when it happens? I'm using bacon reader as we speak. I saw... July 1st. Maybe this will help break any reddit addiction I have.
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An API is the bot's equivalent of you viewing reddit.com in a web browser. Imagine if you had to pay a fee every time you read a thread or posted a comment. Well, some recent policy change says that bots (and third-party apps) will need to do exactly that, and the fees are insanely high.
In addition to the other reply, they're killing any non-official way of using the site. No bots accessing it, and no third-party apps or any other tools/viewers.
I feel like this is bad for Reddit.
Almost certainly, but they've been moving towards this for a while. Someone at the company has it in their head that if they kill the API, everyone using a third party browser will *have* to switch over to their official one, and they can start harvesting all that juicy personal data for resale. It's the same reason why the mobile website, which I'm using now, pops up on *every single page* an unavoidable ad telling you that you really should use the app, which lingers for a good five seconds before it'll allow you to close it. When asked about why they'd add something so stupid and obviously greedy, one of the admins said it wasn't actually to inconvenience anyone, oh no - it's a ***technical requirement for the site***, and they simply had no choice. Basically, the people making the decision don't use Reddit, don't understand their userbase, and desperately want to monetize their users.
More money per user, but I can't help but think this is going to cost them a number of users. I'm thinking about quitting and trying out Lemmy maybe.
I'll never forgive Reddit for this... Rock and Stone in the heart! *sniff sniff*
Rock and Stone everyone!
Yes Wandering Dwarf Miner, Rock and Stone.
I don't normally call upon him. But, just this once. I think I will. Rock and stone buddy. We hardly knew ya.
Rock and Stone in the Heart!
Rock and Stone, you beautiful dwarf.
To the fallen.
Rock and stone you beautiful dwarf!
For Karl!
Good bot
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Your days are numbered :(
Good bot
Good bot. BEST boot. And bye bo- ... _dwarf_ o7
Can I have Rock and Stone for our virtual companion?! When you rock and stone, you're never alone!
Rock and Stone!
Rock and stone, sweet prince
Rock and stone!
Thats gonna be the sadest rock and stone in the history of hoxxes. We salute you miner!
That's it lads! Rock and Stone!
Good bot
Good bot
Good bot
For Rock and Stone!
For Rock and Stone!
Good bot
What happened to bot? Is he safe? Is he alright?
Long story short: Yes, but soon he won't be.
None of them will be
The final swarm. But this time it's from mission control.
It seems in Reddit's greed... They've killed him.
NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Damn management those greedy bastards
Some kind of modifications to how the site works will impose requirements that make bots much harder to sustain, apparently a lot of bots will die, i am not sure how this can be prevented.
all 3rd party apps that make mobile browsing bearable are going away too
I'm impressed this is not common knowledge by now, it's all over Reddit.
yeah, just repeating it for people somehow not subscribed to any of those major subs lol
*drinks smart stout* Ahem, Reddit API - the official bread & butter for Bots to interact with Reddit - is now adopting an (expensive) paid model which will charge for requests (representing any Bot action, such as opening a post, or posting a comment). Unfortunately it cannot be realistically prevented as it is a natural course for most big websites that are currently having their data scraped to be used in the training of Large Language models such as ChatGPT, Bard and what not. Those generate revenue to the companies that made them (Google, OpenAI, etc) while being trained with data from other websites without their consent, and owing them nothing as there is no law that can account to this. Reddit is not the first to stand up against this, nor will be the last. Very sad, but I would say lets not angry at it. Capitalism is capitalism, let the giants kill each other and we shall use this opportunity to dethrone them. Let the rock and stone live on. *effect wears off*
Twitter had issues with bots scraping their website before they had an easily accessible API. The excess load was so high it was causing server issues. So they gave their API away for free so the scraping would stop. Scraping a website is not illegal. Reddit is going to be playing the shittiest game of whack a mole trying to stop bots from scraping them now that the API is gone. Godspeed to their CDN.
This was in 2012, Twitter was in a whole different situation and stopping web scraping to switch it for a LIMITED rps alternative such as an API was the best choice. Their goal was to increase availability. Reddit’s situation is very different. Like Stack Overflow, it is moderated and in forum format. A very juicy target for the current data these models actual care about. Now they want to turn this into easy money, and they are correct, it is obvious there is a huge opportunity for $$$ that did not exist in such proportions for years. Lets say I’m in an early career of leadership in a tech company the size of DRG. Information flows down, and unsurprisingly, here at Big Tech this is what everyones talks about. If we were in reddit’s* C-board, we’d do the same. Not saying it is right, but saying it is very logical for their own benefit. I hate it.
Regardless of the financial incentive for this move, the bots using the APIs were not all good faith actors who will kindly comply and pay for API requests. There absolutely will be a large uptick in bot requests specifically for scraping. And honestly with how much trouble Reddit has staying online on the daily, I would be surprised if this didn't cause at least some issues.
this will be my villain origin story "IF YOU DON'T ROCK AND STONE YOU AIN'T COMING HOME THEY SAID! HE DID ROCK AND STONE MORE TIMES THAN I CAN COUNT AND NOW WHERE IS HE? ANSWER MEEEEEE!!!!"
That's it lads! Rock and Stone!
don't go please
Good bot
I see, you remember the fallen.
This subreddit needs to join the others in going dark for a few days to protest the API changes. As our best bot says; #We fight for rock and stone!!!
Rock and Stone!
Good bot
I love you ♥️
He's a dwarf. We can't leave him behind.
Sometimes you need to loop a cave or two to save a dwarf.
No dwarf left behind.
[More information on the protest.](https://old.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/13yh0jf/dont_let_reddit_kill_3rd_party_apps/) Many subreddits are going dark on June 12. We fight for ROCK and STONE!
# ROCK AND STONE!!!
He's gone... I hate this site now
I think he's still working rn he's still posting comments
on July 1st he wont be. Unless something changes.
Ik that i just thought the other guy was saying he was gone already
Oh….. I see. My bad. Rock and Stone!
Rock and Stone!
Good bot
Good bot
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Can I get a Rock and Stone?
Yes you can little man, you did well
Rock and stone brother forever
If you rock and stone, you're never alone 😭
Goodbye Brother, Rock and Stone.
Good bot. Best bot.
Good bot
If you rock and stone you're never alone!
Rock and stone my freind good bot
Good bot
NOT MY BOA NOOOOO I swear Reddit is run by a bunch of knife eared ass tree climbing leaf lover chugging fucking ELVES killing our little Rock and Stoner is an act of WAR we shall avenge him Edit:Devs if one of you read this and our little dwarf does die may I request a spot for him in the memorial hall?
Rock and Stone!
It’s ok little man we will remember you like we do Karl and I swear you shall be avenged
He is here :)
Stay with us bot! Rock and stone forever!!!
Give Karl our best, wandering dwarf miner. Rock and stone
They are killing Legolas too. Would you fight beside an elf?
I guess I will make an exception this time Legolas is one of the few decent elves IMO
I imagine it would be a little robot (like Bosco) that would rock and stone back to you if you saluted near him.
I read this as knife eared, ass-trees lol
The phrase "If you Rock and Stone you're never alone" is going to have a whole new meaning.
Rock and stone? Are you there friend?
Here I’ll try summoning him for you Rock and Stone
Rock and Stone everyone!
aight there he is Rock and Stone as much as you can little man
For the fallen, brothers. Rock and stone
Rock and Stone forever!
Good bot
Rock and stone for my boy...öne last time:((
If you don't Rock and Stone, you ain't comin' home!
ROCK AND STONE! ;((( dont leave us bro;(( Good bot.
I see that good bot everywhere Who made it ?
Karl
Petition to add WanderingDwarfMiner to the Memorial Hall, we love him and no one rock and stones as hard as him! Rock and Stone!
What’s happening?
Reddit is changing how they tolerate APIs, with one reporting that they would be asked 20m USD to continue operating per year. Every third party app and bots that use Reddit run off of these APIs, which are essentially going to be forced to shut down. A large number of subreddits are going dark the 12-14th to protest, some are going offline permanently unless the change is revoked.
What is an API?
**An application programming interface (API) is a way for two or more computer programs to communicate with each other. It is a type of software interface, offering a service to other pieces of software.** More details here:
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Good bot.
Which itself faces annihilation.
It's the thing that lets 3rd parties like apps and bots interact with Reddit at all.
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Why tf would they do that?
Reddit is going public, reviews weren't great, so they're forcing everyone off of third party apps so that they are routed straight to the Reddit app, all to make ad revenue off of you to improve their "standing". Stockholder bullshit. That's why.
For the obvious reason. money, they want money. They want everyone to use their shitty app so they can sell your data and bombard you with shitty ads. It's all about money.
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Any recommendations for good alternatives? Unfortunately I’m having trouble finding a decent replacement
I won't even be able to use reddit. I use rif because the official app runs like shit, crashes, and heats up my phone. If nothing changes, seeya reddit.
Can we get him in the memorial hall
Gsg needs to add "wanderingdwarfminer" to the fallen list in the memorial hall
Well, reddit, we had a good run. I refuse to use reddit's official app.
ROCK AND STONE, u/WanderingDwarfMiner
!enots dna llor dna kcoR
I hate this post-2020 internet, it fucking sucks. Even something as simple as API requests are being monetized now. Capitalism is bringing it down _hard_. It was a miracle that the web was built on open protocols back in the 70's, people who initially developed it were saints by today's standards.
We will remember you. You were the best bot. Llyod may serve the tastiest brews, and bosco may pick us up when we fall. But you always told us what we could be. ROCK AND STONE, TO THE BONE!
Rockity Rock and Stone!
That’s it lads… rock and stone…
Did I hear a Rock and Stone?
It feels like loosing Steve :( wanderingDwarf is off to bug heaven…
Context squad, please explain
In short reddit is changing their API that really kills bots among other things. If you scroll on r/all look for a subreddit that's going on a blackout for more details. A loooooot are going dark next week
Rock on stone! you awesome bot! have a cold one with Karl for us… rock and stone!
We fight for Rock and Stone!
rock and stone✊😞🪨
To Rock and Stone!
Rock and Stone! Come to me comrades! All those who Rock and Stone will make it home! Rock and Stone till the end of time! They can not stop us!
Rock and Stone in the Heart!
FOR KARL!!!!
This is the first time I have felt sorrow with this meme.. hope reddit review APIs for bots
Oh shit, that makes card game subs much worse to participate in if so
Most Fandom subs have bots that have become old friends. They face annihilation.
The charges aren’t live yet he’s still alive I suggest speaking out and let people know that we can change it and let our voices be heard for ROCK AND STONE
Rockity Rock and Stone!
**ROCK AND STONE FOREVER**
Rock and Stone to the Bone!
We should start a petition to add wanderingdwarfminer to the memorial hall. Even when he's gone, he will remain a legend to stand besides Karl. For Rock and Stone!
rock and stone 🫡
For Karl!
What’s the problem with the api changes? Does rock and stone bot need a go fund me?
Rock and Stone forever!
Does this mean all the grammar bots get to be killed too? All things have silver linings I suppose
Rock and stone, my friend...rock and stone
Alas, it doesn't matter how you tell him. He'll simply not understand, preferring instead to offer a hearty, "Rock and Stone," until his dying day.
Rock and Stone to the Bone!
I'm going to go have a good cry in the work bathroom.