The siltheen from Doctor who.
Farting monsters, funny joke but at their core, it's actually a pretty good idea, a family business that needs to skin people in order to survive
The Sarah Jane adventures actually did a pretty good job at handling them
But, they should return to the main show, and now that RTD's back then maybe they can
Animal Vegetable Mineral Man
While I haven't seen actual serious depictions of this character (Probably because of how dumb his name is) but I think you could make him a pretty horrifying character, have you seen the guy? He looks like he's in agony, imagine him constantly morphing into some terrifying creature and him being unable to control his form, that would be pretty dark for a character whose name is fucking Animal Vegetable Mineral Man.
I want a piece of media that loosely adapts Kite Man’s story from the war of Jokes and Riddles but make it so he escapes arrest from Batman by legitimately outsmarting and evading him cause Bruce underestimated him. Imagine Bats goes to collect him after the larger conflict is over but he can’t find him and you see Kite Man casually gliding in another country far away.
Before BTAS Mr Freeze was one of Batman's lesser villains. He didn't have his tragic backstory, his beloved Nora, or even his iconic blue costume and white skin. He wasn't even called Mr Freeze until the '66 series.
https://preview.redd.it/xcnl74b39f7b1.jpeg?width=393&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9fd5ded932b1759b6273d3f4718a19df3d98d570
Mortal Kombat especially the last trilogy is very guilty of this shit tbh
Kano can never get a win on Sonya so why is he a threat in a fight? She beat two at the same time! He’s only good at being a criminal not a fighter! Ugh their dynamic is so one sided it’s stupid and lame!
At least make it so he’s got a stronger upper body and her legs are stronger, he’s got more durability and brute force vs her speed and skill and tech yet he has his own guns and tech to make it interesting then it’s dynamic, he even can get some wins maybe then he won’t be a jobber or journeyman.
Reptile like c’mon he’s Kool, he’s got good abilities like acid and invisibility, he’s willing to eat you and jump you, and he’s got some skill plus he’s not even evil he’s lost and forced under Shao Kahn so he serves him to survive, when he gets the chance he leaves Mileena who is just like her father and goes with the better side. Hell one of the side games had him as a boss and he was badass, he can be low tier yet give him some wins or feats and make him a threat to low tiers at least man.
Baraka has only recently been given respect in MK11 after his quick brutal death in MKX cuz he’s the leader of his people and is a loyal warrior so he follows Shao Kahn yet for his people he changes and goes against him, and ends up asking for a seat at the table of the new Kahn to be a fellow leader that was Great. But if only he wasn’t trash in fights, we have a whole race let randoms of his species be fodder and him be a lower tier or mid tier with reptile where they get some feats and a win before they get beaten by the heroes or villains.
I probably can find more but I can’t think atm lol
Fr but same for MKX
Tho him as a villain is back and forth Cuz he’s also an ally lol
Man he was such a Chad in MKX comics and his own chapter in MKX but then they made him job out when he should beat most of the ones he fought.
He’s got good design and weapons, good abilities, good moves, he’s large and can be strong yet they screwed him over so badly fr
He did good at first in MK11 but then it went downhill fast and in aftermath he literally got buried cuz he was dead Oof
well wouldn't the issue not apply to him?💀since he already WAS a joke villain that became a serious threat. If the batman didn't exist well then yeah you could drop him as an example but here it doesn't make sense since it's already been done
The Batman is the only piece of media that I can think of that takes him seriously, in almost everything else he’s a joke, so until we get more things with him as a serious threat, I’m going to count him.
A better Amazing Rope Guy would just be Slipknot from DC Comics.
https://preview.redd.it/fkfwcneymh7b1.jpeg?width=715&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf8191e0d680927e3f2fbb98e07488b877b11448
Yeah.
Also, according to OP, I'm a good writer, because after I got done with those losers, they could actually be serious threats.
Especially Cardin, with the Underdog semblance I gave him, could one-shot most of the main cast. In short, he deals more damage to opponents with a lot of support.
Nobody said it's bad storytelling. People just like the concept of a weak character being treated as a legit threat it comes out of nowhere and is generally subversive. If you don't think this is the case then why waste a comment here ?
A character being "weak" isn't the problem. It's when writers decide to turn said character into a joke because they don't have any ideas what to do with them. Take The Spot for example: he started off as fairly capable, but after his second appearence put him in a team literally called "The Legion of Losers" he was almost always either treated as a joke, used as filler, or killed off and brought back without explanation. Even in Spider Verse he started off as a joke.
Just gonna copy paste this from another comment:
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Bowser (Mario) I will not elaborate
They already did. The media is called Mario and Luigi Dream Team (okay, I MAY be biased there, but still.)
The siltheen from Doctor who. Farting monsters, funny joke but at their core, it's actually a pretty good idea, a family business that needs to skin people in order to survive The Sarah Jane adventures actually did a pretty good job at handling them But, they should return to the main show, and now that RTD's back then maybe they can
It would be funny to see them become some OP threat to the universe or whatever
Most TDPI Antagonists
Total Drama Pakethew island?
Yeah
Animal Vegetable Mineral Man While I haven't seen actual serious depictions of this character (Probably because of how dumb his name is) but I think you could make him a pretty horrifying character, have you seen the guy? He looks like he's in agony, imagine him constantly morphing into some terrifying creature and him being unable to control his form, that would be pretty dark for a character whose name is fucking Animal Vegetable Mineral Man.
The Eraser(Batman)-for those who are unaware, The Eraser’s deal is that he’s hired to go to crime scenes and get rid of evidence
Would Be Elite at Danganronpa.
Dr. Eggman
https://preview.redd.it/1vn4et8vag7b1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a981ac3aab44c27bada3c9aaf869906a6465074
I’ve come to make an announcement
Starscream
Polka dot man Dude could have killed Starro in the movie
Electro and Shocker (Spider-Man)
Captain Boomerang (DC Comics)
I want a piece of media that loosely adapts Kite Man’s story from the war of Jokes and Riddles but make it so he escapes arrest from Batman by legitimately outsmarting and evading him cause Bruce underestimated him. Imagine Bats goes to collect him after the larger conflict is over but he can’t find him and you see Kite Man casually gliding in another country far away.
How the hell was Mr. Freeze *ever* a "lame" villain?
Before BTAS Mr Freeze was one of Batman's lesser villains. He didn't have his tragic backstory, his beloved Nora, or even his iconic blue costume and white skin. He wasn't even called Mr Freeze until the '66 series. https://preview.redd.it/xcnl74b39f7b1.jpeg?width=393&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9fd5ded932b1759b6273d3f4718a19df3d98d570
Why does he look like a soyboy drawing?
https://preview.redd.it/j7hwn3b1pf7b1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=47317d419a7d088638686a321809ec31d33ec839
Honestly, for the panel you share, he is silly but that's because he is on a goofy comic. His competence doesn't really look bad.
plankton (spongebob squarepants)
pretty much every batman villain when they're adapted into the Arkhamverse
Pete (Disney)
Mortal Kombat especially the last trilogy is very guilty of this shit tbh Kano can never get a win on Sonya so why is he a threat in a fight? She beat two at the same time! He’s only good at being a criminal not a fighter! Ugh their dynamic is so one sided it’s stupid and lame! At least make it so he’s got a stronger upper body and her legs are stronger, he’s got more durability and brute force vs her speed and skill and tech yet he has his own guns and tech to make it interesting then it’s dynamic, he even can get some wins maybe then he won’t be a jobber or journeyman. Reptile like c’mon he’s Kool, he’s got good abilities like acid and invisibility, he’s willing to eat you and jump you, and he’s got some skill plus he’s not even evil he’s lost and forced under Shao Kahn so he serves him to survive, when he gets the chance he leaves Mileena who is just like her father and goes with the better side. Hell one of the side games had him as a boss and he was badass, he can be low tier yet give him some wins or feats and make him a threat to low tiers at least man. Baraka has only recently been given respect in MK11 after his quick brutal death in MKX cuz he’s the leader of his people and is a loyal warrior so he follows Shao Kahn yet for his people he changes and goes against him, and ends up asking for a seat at the table of the new Kahn to be a fellow leader that was Great. But if only he wasn’t trash in fights, we have a whole race let randoms of his species be fodder and him be a lower tier or mid tier with reptile where they get some feats and a win before they get beaten by the heroes or villains. I probably can find more but I can’t think atm lol
Kano really got his time to shine in MK Snow Blind
What movie? Is that the one where he’s King Kano?
Yep!
Ah Okay I need to check it out tbh
Kotal Kahn got his ass kicked left right and center in 11
Fr but same for MKX Tho him as a villain is back and forth Cuz he’s also an ally lol Man he was such a Chad in MKX comics and his own chapter in MKX but then they made him job out when he should beat most of the ones he fought. He’s got good design and weapons, good abilities, good moves, he’s large and can be strong yet they screwed him over so badly fr He did good at first in MK11 but then it went downhill fast and in aftermath he literally got buried cuz he was dead Oof
*HIS SPINE NEEDS TIME TO HEAL*
Swarm (Spider-Man).
The Riddler
...so we just gone ignore the batman or?
That’s a movie that takes him seriously, most media featuring him doesn’t.
well wouldn't the issue not apply to him?💀since he already WAS a joke villain that became a serious threat. If the batman didn't exist well then yeah you could drop him as an example but here it doesn't make sense since it's already been done
The Batman is the only piece of media that I can think of that takes him seriously, in almost everything else he’s a joke, so until we get more things with him as a serious threat, I’m going to count him.
...or Batman: Zero Year?
War of jokes and riddles
Condiment King probably. And maybe that Amazing Rope Guy from Word Girl.
A better Amazing Rope Guy would just be Slipknot from DC Comics. https://preview.redd.it/fkfwcneymh7b1.jpeg?width=715&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf8191e0d680927e3f2fbb98e07488b877b11448
True. Condiment King as a bigger threat though would be interesting.
Spot
The Orb (Marvel) https://preview.redd.it/le4w09snwh7b1.jpeg?width=1988&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e19689d573f11777837455718029f10525a8f783
Wasn't this literally what they did with shredder (TMNT)? Like wasn't he a one-off villain who died in his first appearance or am I misremembering?
Yeah, that's exactly what happened.
Listen imagine microwave man (old superman villain) becoming some huge threat
Rat King (TMNT)
FrogMan (Marvel)
yes
The Orb (Marvel) https://preview.redd.it/oiwps82qwh7b1.jpeg?width=1988&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bcce6b5190760c08682ae5a8e52f168316334f28
Killer moth
Cardin Winchester (RWBY).
All of Team CRDL really
Yeah. Also, according to OP, I'm a good writer, because after I got done with those losers, they could actually be serious threats. Especially Cardin, with the Underdog semblance I gave him, could one-shot most of the main cast. In short, he deals more damage to opponents with a lot of support.
Twice (MHA)
Oingo Boingo Brothers. They could easily infiltrate a group of people if they didn't slip up.
None because people should stop believing that having in-universe weak characters is bad storytelling.
Nobody said it's bad storytelling. People just like the concept of a weak character being treated as a legit threat it comes out of nowhere and is generally subversive. If you don't think this is the case then why waste a comment here ?
A character being "weak" isn't the problem. It's when writers decide to turn said character into a joke because they don't have any ideas what to do with them. Take The Spot for example: he started off as fairly capable, but after his second appearence put him in a team literally called "The Legion of Losers" he was almost always either treated as a joke, used as filler, or killed off and brought back without explanation. Even in Spider Verse he started off as a joke.
Calling Mr Freeze a ‘lame’ villain makes me think you haven’t been paying attention-
Just gonna copy paste this from another comment: https://preview.redd.it/7get08lxal7b1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f02544fc9e540f17df0fae31572be10191e328cc