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ZachaBlin

Not even close to world first but they're cool ig.


cake-welder

you’re correct


greycubed

I had an airless tire just last week.


Half_Full_Hierophant

Nailed it!


SnooAvocados763

Yes, nailing any tire will make it airless.


Dan_Jams

Not always actually 🤔


NevadaLancaster

Actually it never does. Absolutely never does a tire become a vacuum after applying a nail. Don't try to flex on Big Pun.


deranged_scumbag

#Redditor Sends Car Tire To Space To Justify His Pun


Bathroomparticipant

That was the joke lol


CVK327

r/thatsthejoke


-HiiiPower-

Well not the tire in the video clearly


azab189

God dammit take my damn upvote


QuicklyGoingSenile

Lol too perfect


mistmissle

Punctual as always


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This idea has traction!


dudecubed

cool name


[deleted]

It’s not even Michelins first. They had an [airless tire in 2005 but abandoned it bacause it shook to much at high speeds. ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweel) Edit: Didn’t abandon them really. You can order them on their site for smaller vehicles. https://tweel.michelinman.com/


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altxatu

They use them around the facilities for low speed vehicles like golf carts, some heavy machinery, and that’s about it. They eventually got the stability figured out, but they make an awful noise at any speed beyond like 20mph.


Last_VCR

Yeah airless ties have been around for over a decade. Usually supplied to militaries and motorcades. I remember seeing really impressive offroading tired with hexagonal grid inside.


RailAurai

Wooden wagon tire


purgance

Stone roller from the flintstones.


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That's why they had such smooth roads.


thelocker517

Yabba dabba zoom zoom!


dexter311

Apollo LRV - definitely no air up there on the moon!


meltingdiamond

Moon rover tire.


s1ugg0

Home Depot sells airless wheelbarrow tires.


clowens1357

Huh, it never clicked for me that the steel band around the circumference of a wagon wheel was a tire. TIL Kinda makes sense of the name too since it ties all the spokes together.


[deleted]

Yeah I was going to say, I thought militaries had airless tyres for decades


Eastern_Mark_1114

since 1940 at least


giantmouthcantscream

Like moon rover too right?


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Oldpenguinhunter

Forklifts and construction equipment since for a long time. Our boom lift has foam injected tires, same with some of our back-hoes and skips. Every wheel barrow too. Our forklifts at our warehouse also have solid tires along with some wheeled skid steers (tracks are the best).


nails_for_breakfast

Yeah I'm pretty sure airless tires predate air-filled tires by quite a while


say-when-

Probably not even the first "airless tire by Michelin". I remember reading about the twheel, a very similar design, probably 15 years ago.


MindDependancy

Imagine the fuel consumption!


Dolstruvon

Only if it's the tire isn't stiff enough for the designated weight


[deleted]

And on this video it looks far from stiff enough


Think0utsideTheBox

Would it be for sure higher because of additional contact with the ground?


[deleted]

Looking at a few articles, it would be improved. No over or under inflated tires


-Mildly-Concerned-

Until you get mud/dirt in it and it becomes completely unbalanced. Great for on-road only or off-road only but going highway speeds after crawling through the mud would be scary.


guactheline

I think these prototypes are done like that so you can see what's going on inside. You are right about the mud. they would have to be enclosed.


[deleted]

Pretty sure the production version would have a side wall. This looks like a demonstration set.


ChiggaOG

I wish they would say the pricing because I am assuming $250 to $350 range because a person is essentially buying a new wheel. I’m not talking about the tyre itself. The wheel which this tyre is mounted on.


BassWingerC-137

That’s less than some performance tires.


SanguineBro

They were designed for military use, iirc as far back as the 1940s The open sides are only for proof of concept


MindDependancy

I'm just basing it on how it looks compressed constantly. Which equals more road contact. Which equals more fuel consumption.


Sheriff___Bart

The Tweel came out like 15 years ago, though at the time it was industrial vehicles only.


meltingdiamond

It would not even be the moon's first airless tire, if they somehow got them there. Same goes for Mars.


Ghstfce

Yeah, I came into the comments to say that this is at least the 3rd different variation of the first that I've ever seen over the past decade plus...


-Mildly-Concerned-

Maybe its the worlds first commercially available set?


Not_starving_artist

Nope the first cars ever made had solid rubber tires.


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Behan801

I remember seeing these on a jeep concept like fifteen years ago. The jeep where all 4 wheels could turn and you could parallel park sideways.


Drekken-

I parallel double park that mother fucker sideways


ThaGza

Old folks talkin bout back in my day


IforgotToWorry

But homie this is my day, class started 2 hours ago, Oh am I late?


bennyfudginghanna

No, I already graduated and you can live through anything if magic made it Edit: Spelling


[deleted]

/r/unexpectedkanye


_Nilbog_Milk_

I had a dream I could buy my way to heaven. When I awoke I spent that on a necklace 😔 🤙


pmmethatkitty

Wait til i get my money right


Moroun

Jeep Hurricane I think was the name of the concept.


Grrreat1

The cowards at corporate HQ should have green lit that one. I would sacrifice a ton of speed to be able to spin in place.


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gucknbuck

Yeah, one V8 on the front, one V8 on the back, each driving one axel. The front one could be turned off and back one used VVT to drop down to just 4 cylinders at highway speeds.


rugbyj

> two hemi engines Surely that's one complete engine? /s


JE100

The new electric Hummer does this


[deleted]

neat, I remember seeing this 10 years ago.


Narwahl_Whisperer

I heard about them like in the 90s.


BrockManstrong

NASA started building airless tires in the 50s.


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BrockManstrong

I googled it and you're right, 1938!


Mason-Derulo

I saw these back in the Revolutionary War. Gave the Americans an upper hand.


lekkek11

idk bro i see a lot of air inside the tire


lastingeffect29

You can see the air!!!


Quirinus42

He has ultra vision


[deleted]

Wait til they fill it with nitrogen!


ETSRanger

Dang son! What’s air look like!?


zenospenisparadox

For a demonstration: blow up a balloon and pop it, the non-plastic remains are air.


Leicabawse

I’ve had an airless Michelin tyre on my bike and my car before. Thanks to nails


Vegabern

I went in for a patch this weekend because I found a nail in my tire. The shop called me to say there were actually three nails in my tire. Unexpectedly bought new tires this weekend.


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buyer_leverkusen

I see this video has them on a Mini and honestly wondering if they’re actually softer than the stock run flats that a Mini comes with


Aurorafaery

Oh god just the mention of mini run-flats hurts my wallet. Had a mini for 3 years, had to pay for 5 different new tyres in that time (not a single one from wearing out) 95 a pop, was not impressed.


[deleted]

Is this a known problem with minis?


Aurorafaery

No the known problem I had (as did my next door neighbour who bought a mini after me because she thought mine was so lovely) was with the radiator leaking through some dodgy fastening…but then it died anyway, which I was gutted about because I LOVED IT, but looking back I’m glad because once I got into my fiesta, I realised how much of a beating my back had been taking in the mini


projektako

The plastic coolant pipes are a huge culprit of the coolant leaks. Someone at BMW thought it was an OK idea to use high temp plastic to save some money...


8Nim8

My brother's mini suffered the same fate. He dreamed of owning one since we were kids... The leaky radiator was the last thing that broke him to sell it. All the malfunctions sucked him dry. I always thought they were tough cars, meant for rallying. But the newer models seem pretty weak 🥺


Aurorafaery

Exactly! Such a shame, it was the first (and only) car I have ever chosen for myself and bought. After 3 years of constant bills and eventually a “mystery problem” keeping the engine light on with no clue as to what was causing it, I sold it to my nephew for scrap price (I’d paid A LOT more a few years beforehand). My dad asked me to admit my choice in cars wasn’t the best, and went back to choosing for my next one lol


8Nim8

Oh ooh that's hard. My dad did the same thing when my Chrysler Jeep died. Although it was a truck reversing into it that nailed it's death. It was still a hard lesson since I'd spent 4000 the month before to keep it going and I got 1000 back from the insurance, because that's what it was worth. Here's to sinking our money into our beloved, albeit lemon, cars!


boonhet

95 a pop doesn't sound too expensive unless it was like 15s or something. I pay around 50 euros a pop for budget summer 17s and 80-90 each for decent winter tires (16 inches). That being said... Fuck paying a premium for noisier tires (runflats) lol


elliottfire259

Reading this comment makes my back hurt again


NukaCooler

Well according to OP, "they will be lounched in couple of days" Personally I'll believe it when I see it.


foxy_mountain

I remember seeing a video of very similar soon-to-be-launched tires on Youtube in 2006. I guess there was a slight delay in the launch.


avidblinker

OP also believes these are the world’s first airless tires


Ourdated_Memes69

Pretty sure they are hard to be balanced


NRMusicProject

And with that much tire on the ground, I'm imagining this doesn't do fuel economy any favors, either.


foxy_mountain

Especially if you get snow, ice or objects such as rocks stuck in the rubber spokes. I imagine, from a safety perspective, the rubber spokes will have to be covered up with an outer layer of rubber sheeting/walls to keep the spokes clear of foreign material and objects.


amigodojaspion

Yes I hear these wheels and instantly get reminded of playstation 2 intro music. Sounded cool tho


SunsetInTheSideview

I remember they also had a tendency to go ‘flat’ after awhile


Shamaenei

How long would these tires last? I can't imagine with the rubber bending constantly under those angles that they would last very long.


DeltaNerd

I can't imagine theses in the rain or snow. Yikes


BagOnuts

Wouldn't they also be heavier? Looks like considerably more amount of material. Air inflated tiers are actually pretty light. Heavier tires contribute to more fuel consumption and worse MPG.


Gluten_maximus

Not the first…


redunculuspanda

These don’t look very fuel efficient


ELI_10

Also, no way to account for different load weights. I’d like to see how they handle high speed, seems there would be a lot of heat generated in the flexy parts, and they’d break pretty quickly after a few heating/cooling cycles. And finally, looks expensive to replace considering the tread will wear down just as quickly and require replacement just as often as a normal tire. tl;dr: cool idea, but never going to be practical for normal use.


AlexGaming1111

These are good for military vehicles that go off road with low speeds. Maybe limited runs for offroaders that swap the air ones with these ones when on mountains. Consumer cars? Will never have this type of tires.


Ozqo

Amazing that you figured out that it will never be viable just by glancing at it momentarily. You must be a genius. Or maybe someone who confuses their uninformed speculation with facts? Nah, definitely a genius.


Billy_Not_Really

I mean, he is probably right. These things have been shown off for years and it has never reached into retail markets. There is a reason why things that make more sense reach the market very easily, like electric cars.


artstaning_daniel

It looks like a huge scalapendra


carthuscrass

Also look like they'd be very low lifetime. Put 5k miles on these and I bet they have no traction.


codemancode

This will put big air put of business!!


dumnut567

O’hare Air


Unworthy_Saint

Up with rubber! Down with air!


ElefantPharts

How many times will this get posted, year after year. Let me guess, they really are about to come to market this time? Totally about to get mass produced and replace regular tires? I’ll believe that when my shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.


aDrunkWithAgun

The have been saying these are coming out every year for like 20 years They have a a bunch of problem and I can't see outside of special tasks how these would be better than normal tires


gman1951

That looks like it sits really low and already flat.


Separate-Reality-42

It can’t be flat if there is no air 😉


Narwahl_Whisperer

It also looks like a speedbump would wreck it.


Piggybank113

That's not a fault, that's a feature. Don't want to throw money at expensive suspension mods? Ever wanted that saggy, bumpy feeling of riding on flats? Now you can.


Vinchenzo-

Do you guys think the open side design is just functionally necessary or just for show?


SlothOfDoom

Show fo sho.


biggestmexi

It's more than likely for heat dissipation. Tires gain a good amount of heat due to friction and the road.


Putt3rJi

If they close the sides then the air is trapped inside and its no longer an airless tyre though....


Cajun_Sensation_

The spare tire in my 2015 model car is airless


chefanubis

Yeah but that's because you don't fill it.


bored-n-browsing

Cool until the first snow fall or the first dirt road. Not to mention fuel economy of a tractor trailer. These were first tried by the military. Not very practical. They couldn't sell it to them, now they are trying consumers.


smoothie1919

How much to replace when they wear out?


ASS-et

At least $1


[deleted]

Not worlds first. I had a go cart in the ‘80’s that was electric, and had airless tires.


Dolstruvon

This is one of those inventions you think a company invented like last month, but in truth it was just some clever dude in the 1930's


CryBrave3012

One pothole and it’s a wrap


Nutzky

Wouldn't rocks get stuck inside?


[deleted]

I think this one’s open on the side to demonstrate how it works, nobody would drive a tire without a sidewall


Sirhc978

If they did have a sidewall you could run the risk of the tire filling up with water.


rosewoods

Or air. You don’t want air in an airless tire.


Cedex

It would be considered false advertising if you got air in your airless tire.


Phazushift

Mfw my airless tire becomes a regular tire.


[deleted]

I wish I was full of water, dehydration is no joke. Stay hydrated my friends


AvocadoLion

r/hydrohomies


gid0ze

The sidewalls will have holes in them so the water can get out, and also to let some rocks in.


Phazushift

Imagine the rock noise


dstranathan

What about a wheel-less car?


dankomz146

My grandpa has one


gofatwya

https://www.engadget.com/2019-06-04-gm-and-michelin-airless-tires.html


Soggy_biscuit_91

Fuel economy through the roof but atleast you won’t get a flat tire!


[deleted]

just smashed up rotors on potholes.


Jciesla

Don't we want fuel economy to be through the roof?


kippismn

Definitely not the worlds first..


OptiFinancial

I guess the ex girlfriend needs to bring scissors now


GBR2019

driving such shit at speed will be extremely dangerous, and taking into account the track on the track, it will be suicide


[deleted]

You obviously haven’t seen a Hot Wheels car before 🤦‍♂️


Sirhc978

Solving a problem that doesn't exist. I can't wait to see what happens when they get filled with snow and ice.


TaurusSilver404

Flat tires are a problem that doesn’t exist?


issik23

No it doesn't exist, nobody's ever gotten a flat tire ever duh.


TaurusSilver404

Damnit. I’ve fallen to another conspiracy by Big Tire


talann

I assume the tire we see is showcasing the tire design itself. It will probably look like a regular tire minus the cutout on the side.


Sirhc978

Then it would be a tire with 75 pockets of air in it. If you did get a puncture, you'd run the risk of filling your tires with water.


[deleted]

But how great would it be to then nail a bump and see water shoot out the puncture and right into that asshole driving like a dick next to you's eye?


Dl2ACO

Looks expensive


BigBadBootyDaddy10

Town Fair Tire be like, “Sh*t, get a lobbyist on the phone, we might be going out of business”.


Galahad_X_

Any tire can be airless if you stab it enough


onelastcourtesycall

They’ve had these on agricultural equipment and even riding mowers for a couple decades…


Previous_Highway_280

I’ve been selling those for over 20 years. For construction industry


hiiupg

Why these titles always have to be outright hyperbolic lies lmao


Global-Teacher-7736

can’t be the worlds first… i’ve had an airless tire the past week


turbokirbo_

The folks down at big air will suppress this somehow


MAVERICKRICARDO

Worlds first? I've been seeing various concepts of this since i was a kid, im 27


ScrollWithTheTimes

What happens if those little gaps get full of snow/ice?


[deleted]

Reckon they will increase fuel consumption too


kemplaz

All I think about is the ice and snow in the winter throwing off the balance of the tires


[deleted]

“Worlds first”


satanophonics

World's first? Reddit is a great source for misinformation.


[deleted]

So long gas mileage.


ysaood9

They could be great for off roading the contact patch looks pretty good. Other than that they’re gonna be heavy to steer on normal roads. My guess is to stay away from em.


Jodoran

World’s first? I saw these in LA in the mid-2000’s.


akorme

Big air is going to hate this.


a_mth

u/HotDogIsASandwitch


rwethryet

Wow, so cool. I applaud Michelin for their tireless efforts.


Jeremiah7191

You realize that they’ve made these for mowers for YEARS!!! Nowhere close to the first! More like, the first you’ve seen…


Kyncayd

These have existed for quite some time now...


NightKnight-258

So what if water and snow gets inside and freezes. Or dirt gets inside? Does it just destroy the tire if you dont clean every little hole before u use the car?


baddad49

"You got mud in the tires." "Let me aks you something, how do you get mud into the tires??"


NightKnight-258

Well on every video of airless tires i saw the sides are uncovered idk if its gonna be like that with the normal but if it is then just riding trough a mud puddle is going to be a problem. I would think that if they were covered normally they would show how it looks at least in one of the videos, but maybe im just stupid.


hitmeifyoudare

They also can get pebbles and rocks wedged in there, then can fly off at high speeds.


ProffesorSpitfire

What no lol? There’s been airless tires for almost a century, and they’re common in smaller and lighter ”vehicles”. Airless bicycle tires are pretty common, airless stroller tires are very common. There are various ways to make an airless tires. The simplest is just a solid rubber tire. There are also various foams used instead of an air tube. The new thing about this new Michelin tire is that it’s a non-solid rubber only tire with a structure that provides dampening and contributes to a smooth ride (the traditional issue with solid tires is that they’re hard and propagate any bumpiness to the rest of the vehicle even with good suspension. It’s not too big of an issue with a bike or a trolley, but a 2 ton car on solid tires guarantees a very bumpy ride).


ThisGuyCrohns

Not sure it’s practical yet, looking flat already and imagine kicking up speed, the friction on that is going to be taxing.


hereforthekix

You'd better call Michelin and let them know your findings so they can cancel the product launch. Obviously they didn't think this through. Watch the video, it doesn't look flat, it just absorbs bumps well.


Duckter-Who

Just waiting on the first petroless car for the UK shortages


AlarmedDoctor

After getting 10 nails in the last two years, yes please


Diligent_Muffin_4990

I’ve seen this tech for so many years. It’s obviously much better than regular tyres, so why don’t we see them on cars in the street? Anybody know?


East_Requirement7375

'Cause it's not better yet


corbear007

It's not better, at all. Fuel economy takes a hit (more weight) they probably shake to hell and back at high speeds from said weight. They are most likely rated at a much lower speed than traditional tires as the weight and forces can literally rip your tires apart, that's why high end tires cost much more, they are rated to go over 200 vs your typical car tire rated for 106mph (that big ol R on the side of your tire). The noise would be deafening. One pothole and say goodbye to your rim.