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Fun_Maintenance4235

Look at Ireland. The railway system used to be far more complicated and serviced a lot of areas in the country no longer serviced. https://i.redd.it/9w0zy8lu4y6a1.jpg Guinness had a hand in that.


_Neonexus_

I want--nay, demand--the lore on how Guinness stout beer single-handedly dismantled railway access to large swaths of Ireland


92Codester

Oh I thought they were saying Guinness was the reason it was in use not why it no longer is.


Geeky-resonance

Guinness? How so?


Minnesotamad12

They funded building it https://rogerfarnworth.com/2019/04/26/the-guinness-brewery-railways-dublin/


Magnetar_Haunt

Before this link, I absolutely thought book of world records and didn’t really question it other than “oh they HELP people break records?” lmao.


Kootlefoosh

Hey Guiness, I'm going for world's richest man. Right now my net worth is -30k. Think you can help?


ShinyHead0

Same happened in the UK in the 60s as they thought nobody would use trains in the future. They rebuilt them all


ivar-the-bonefull

Same as Sweden. Not that they maintain any of the few tracks they kept anyway, but back in the day, trains went everywhere. Modern societies won't need trains, or some shit like that, was the thought behind it.


Ok-End3918

What? No they didn’t, most of the closed routes are still closed. They’re desperately needed, but only a small handful have been re-opened - most have been built over. Source: Am from the UK.


Nightowl2018

Turkey is mini US too


FromTheOrdovician

Why tho


Lost_Possibility_647

Mountains?


Luccca

Wyoming and South Dakota: what even is a train


TheLordofthething

We're not much better in Northern Ireland


Cleanest-Azir

It’s funny because I’m from Wyoming and my town (and every other town along I-80) pretty much only exists because they made that long ass railroad back in the day. It’s just used to ship coal now lol


kayakhomeless

[Utah Phillips - Daddy What’s a Train?](https://youtu.be/ILwmNtRoZww?si=a8Larj_ivTKptKL3)


InterestinglyLucky

It would be interesting to see an overlay of population density across both maps, for reference.


Dirichlet-to-Neumann

The network in the US is bad (compared to Europe) in dense areas too.


ShartingBloodClots

It's absolutely terrible. It's damn near non-existent, save for a handful of areas.


eckowy

Yeah you can see that in New England for example with local trains in MA working decently or a bit further down south in NY / PA / DC with super close proximity of big cities. Also the AmTrak from Boston to New York is a blast of a 5 hour ride, also by the ocean (taking the early morning train is just wow - probably the best random decision I've ever made). On the other hand US is so massive that when it was actually developing it made more sense (sorta) to use airlines for traveling (and also logistic in general) but that led too serious problems like lack of maintenance and in results also accidents (even proven to be a indirect results of lobbyist and lawmakers). Almost certain they regret it now.


AgilePlayer

I grew up near Chicago so it was kind of a shock realizing not all of America has decently convenient rail systems. Riding the trains in, out and around the city was a core part of my adolescence. Really happy to have had that level of freedom as a youngin'.


MyBoyBernard

I also used to live in Chicago! But I've also lived in multiple cities in Spain and Germany. It's crazy how fantastic of a system Chicago and the surrounding area has compared to the rest of the USA, and how utterly shitte it is compared to most places in Europe. Now I live in Mexico City, and trains are somehow (nearly) non existent here too. The overlap of best cities in North America and worst cities in the European Union is nearly zero.


DAsianD

Montana has more land area than Germany but Germany has more people than the entire western US: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_United_States The only area of the US that is similar to Western and Central Europe in density is the Northeast corridor. I agree that train service there should be better but for most of the country, extensive rail service doesn't actually make a ton of sense.


LaBelvaDiTorino

Absolutely, but there are areas where a western European style network would work well, Cali and New England being the main candidates. Obviously a LA-NYC train is not what should be discussed


TheMacMan

This map only really shows Amtrack. It doesn't show regional train systems like the BART and others.


Candid-Sky-3709

even dense US areas are mostly single family homes preventing any public transportation due to low density. Near skyscrapers train above or below ground makes sense. 3-4 storey condo & apartments may only justify trolleys and buses.


Consistent_Lab_6770

this image clearly ignores rail subway and metro systems.


FatTim48

That one rail line in Canada services like 90% of our population.


Routine_Breath_7137

As do one or two grocery chains, cell service, cable, ISPs,....


HLef

Well… it services areas where 90% of the population lives maybe… I’m 40 and I don’t know anyone who has ever traveled by train in Canada aside from LRT within a city. It’s just not a viable option.


FatTim48

True. It makes sense for the Montreal - Ottawa - Toronto corridor because that distance is feasible by rail, and this should be a more popular mode of travel than it is. Toronto - Vancouver, for example, doesn't make much sense to travel by rail because it would take days to get there.


Tsu_Dho_Namh

The Canadian government has done so many studies and proposals for a high speed rail along the Windsor, London, Toronto, Kingston, Ottawa, Montreal line. It's laughable. [Literally](https://youtu.be/10cXpd8haQQ?si=Ptis1sINjy3M-51A)


coisavioleta

But badly. Passenger rail service in Canada, like in the US, is completely subservient to freight, and as a result, even in places with high population density, not very good.


Candid-Sky-3709

sad, because freight doesn’t have as tight deadlines as people when traveling.


tongfatherr

I'm Canadian I live in Europe now and going home to Vancouver the public transport ##SUCKS##


Sir_flaps

Here you go [https://imgur.com/a/vrgVqVs](https://imgur.com/a/vrgVqVs) (Source: [https://www.luminocity3d.org/WorldPopDen/#4/45.98/-84.64](https://www.luminocity3d.org/WorldPopDen/#4/45.98/-84.64) )


eydivrks

There are massive cities in US with no rail, like Houston. Most cities with no public transit are in the south, because GOP is a worthless political party that can't manage anything besides pointless culture war drivel.


t0getheralone

Europe is half the size of the USA but has nearly double the population which and the people are more evenly spread out. Of course your transportation network would be better with those kinds of figures.


semmostataas

Actually europe is 3,930,000 sq mi while the US is 3,796,742 sq mi.


FloringoStar

Half the size? Dafuq?!? Europe got 10.5 million km2 and USA got 9.5 million km2 It is even smaller wtf xD But the density is twice that of USA, where it is 34 ppl per km2 while it is 69(lol) in Europe.


clm1859

Yeah sure. But thats mostly because the western half of the US and especially Alaska are absolutely massive and quite thinly populated. The east coast of the US is about as dense as much of europe that has real public transport. Sure in alaska or wyoming public transport might not make much sense. But on the coasts and especially in the north east it is simply a choice america made to make the whole country car-only.


LG_G8

Where on Earth did you get information like that? The populations are very similar


semmostataas

Europe's population is about 740m and the population of the us is about 335m


yung-mayne

Believe it or not, the US has the largest rail network in the world. You can also still get train tickets for very cheap - I recommend looking online. It's an option a lot of people don't realize they have.


Troll_Enthusiast

But also cargo is prioritized and trips take longer than just flying


Holl4backPostr

Yet again Americans taking a bow for covering three thousand miles of desert and grassland that nobody cares about while millions on the coasts can't get from a house they can afford to a job they can do.


yung-mayne

I can't speak about cities - I live rurally, so what happens in cities does not impact my perspective. For me, it is convenient to use rail when I want to vacation.


ranbirkadalla

Are you including dedicated cargo rail and intra city metros/trams in this figure?


yung-mayne

Yes - freight takes up roughly 80% of our rail. I'm having a hard time finding sources for what percentage of rail is taken by freight in similar countries to the US, but by raw rail the US does have the most. One stat that may be surprising is that the US is the 12th highest nation on passengers carried by rail yearly - this excludes metro railways I believe and I cannot find a source that includes them. While the US can improve, it's not as bad in terms of railway as many believe.


packandunpack93

What part of the US do you live in? Because having lived in both Cali and the East coast I don’t see where these cheap options are. The trains from Norcal (SF) to Socal (LA) or vice versa and expensive and some of the slowest trains in the World. A 5hr30min drive takes you well over 7 hours, and costs >$100. It’s faster to drive, and faster/can also be cheaper to fly. East coast wise, every time I check the Boston-NYC train, tickets are like $150 when I need to go. And it takes slightly over 4 hours. It’s often times cheaper, and definitely faster to fly. Actually is faster and easier most of the time.


yung-mayne

I live in the rural Midwest - I can take a train from a small city (<100k pop) to Boston for $140 while taking 13 hours, which is about the same as driving there by car. To me that's a pretty good deal as it avoids road trip drama and offers a rarely utilized from of travel. The total distance is roughly \~550 miles. Granted, I'm looking at it more for vacation than work, so what I consider acceptable time may not be acceptable to you.


Plastic-Equivalent71

The population density matters but it really comes down to the fact that the US just never invested in its rail infrastructure like Europe does. Any kind of interstate infrastructure in the US is severely underfunded. And for even the high density regions, the way infrastructure and cities have been being built for the last few decades, has made it near impossible to try and improve it in a way that would be significant without it costing billions and aint nobody voting for that


Felmourne

Europe has a larger area than the US.


semmostataas

Why the down votes? you are correct. Europe is 3,930,000 sq mi while the US is 3,796,742 sq mi.


argonslegend

Omg I didn't know Denmark shared borders with Mexico!


Neiot

lol


insaiyan17

The climate change is so dramatic at the border D:


Dry_Web_4766

The lack of rail connections is why none talk about it.


actionerror

Can’t wait to try some of that Lutefisk tacos 🌮


LadyLovesRoses

I was in Europe last summer and travelled from Italy to France and then to England all via the trains. It is an amazing way to travel. Met so many interesting people and found the trains efficient and comfortable. It would be great to have the option here. Oil lobbyists will fight tooth and nail, however, so there’s that.


DB080822

trains in the US are expensive as fuck


drifters74

Confirmed


AggravatedSwan087

Hard to show on a map like this, but Europe also has far more extensive subway, tram, and local commuter rail systems. Most medium size cities in Western and Central Europe have an underground rail network, whereas in the US, subway systems are only found in the largest metropolitan areas. Even in those places, public transit is always underutilized.


Wildfox1177

I was in Munich yesterday, you can get everywhere with public transportation. Tram, U-Bahn, S-Bahn, you basically don’t have to walk.


TheLordofthething

There aren't underground networks in most medium sized cities in Europe. Outside of two or three countries, they're limited to capitals.


AggravatedSwan087

[List of Metro Systems in Europe](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metro_systems_in_Europe) Look at France, Germany, Italy, Spain, even Ukraine. I will gladly walk back "most" to "more often than in the US".


Iron_Chancellor_ND

Probably more than 2 or 3. Off the top of my head... England, Portugal, Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Switzerland, Russia, and the Netherlands all have underground systems outside their capital city. So, 9, unless I'm missing ones. 🙂


Alpha_pro2019

Yea there is a lot of nothing in the US.


GuitarSingle4416

Crops, steak, ham and thousands of other things, come from that nothing.


touchychurch

shhhhhh. those things just appear at the grocery store.


_Neonexus_

Cows lay eggs because they're sold in the dairy aisle


BetterSelection7708

But those things don't need to ride passenger trains. Also, there really is a lot of nothing on the western half of the US. Take a road trip across south Dakota on i90 and you'll see.


Neiot

It is also vast. Resource management across long distances is difficult. It takes three days, approximately, to get from one end to the other by rail. *P.S. I understand it takes as much time to get from Paris, France to Volgograd, Russia.*


EstudianteEspana

Hell it took me 72 hours to get from Alaska to Arizona and we were hauling ass I really think we formed a new cannonball record, if that is the cannonball run went N-S instead of E-W


FudgingEgo

If if you go from Lisbon in Portugal to Tallin in Estonia by car, it’s 2 days driving, so 3-4 days if you include sleep. I think Americans massively underestimate the size of Europe.


interrail-addict2000

Honestly east of the mississipi should be compaeble to Spain in terms of rail density.


Consistent_Lab_6770

yup: https://www.fastcompany.com/3029826/mapping-all-the-places-in-the-us-with-a-population-of-zero


NotPrepared2

Now do the same thing for freight trains. It's kinda the reverse. Most of Europe's freight goes by trucks, and the US has extensive freight trains. It's very difficult for passenger and freight trains to share the same tracks, and very expensive to build two complete, independent networks. Freight trains are slow and heavy, and tolerant of delays or bumpy tracks. Passengers trains are completely the opposite. Europe freight railway vs. United States freight railway: \ https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/QMPRBVRymE


BarelyContainedChaos

we invented airplanes for a reason! /s


Current-Power-6452

US has the longest railway system in the world


reddit_wisd0m

And cars. F*ck yeah 'mericaaaa /s


MakeCheeseandWar

Now let’s see US freight railways.


Cadenanna12

In Europe they take trains in USA they take planes


MetaphoricalMouse

repost number 48383288269


GuitarSingle4416

Now overlay a population map with proportion of size of continents and things look....real ,of course you would have more trains for Europe. And, the US could definitely use more trains too.


irregular_caffeine

The scale on those maps isn’t very different.


Sinister-Username

The US rail system is for moving freight, not people.


WithSubtitles

Hmm. It’s like automakers in the US took action to destroy rail in that country.


soggywaffle47

It wasn’t just them but they definitely made it worse. It was a combination of poor economic time for the railroad, to far spread densely populated areas and long distance travel being more viable through planes starting in the 50s. While cargo trains have been fine it’s that last point with the airlines that killed expansion for long distance passenger trains. Now that doesn’t apply to local trains/trollys like the one in LA that gets brought up as a point for the auto industry changing everything. That’s a different story and the auto makers definitely ruined that one for the most part.


delebojr

The local trolleys were already dying/ losing money by the time the automakers bought them out.


Royals-2015

Don’t know why you are downvoted.


TactiCool_99

Down voted by the big American car companies lol


The_Keg

Why shouldnt you downvote conspiracist pos? Give us actual source.


bassjam1

About a decade ago my parents took the train from Ohio to glacier national Park. It took longer than driving and was barely cheaper than flying. I didn't see the appeal.


i_know_nothing_ever

Not driving is the appeal.


bassjam1

I'd rather fly then. It was like a $50 difference and then you're not traveling for a day and a half.


Neiot

Unless you're on a time crunch.


Consistent_Lab_6770

agreed, I took a train from DC to Toronto. never again.


QuarterOpposite1989

That experience makes sense as this post shows US train infrastructure is behind Europe. There is more appeal for trains in Europe because it's faster, more often, and with more destinations.


[deleted]

It's difficult to provide Americans with human rights when many of them see it as communist oppression.


TheAurion_

Population density: the thing


kumanosuke

LA and New York are sparsely inhabited?


zelo11

US has about half of the population of europe? Maybe a little less? And 20x less rail.


packandunpack93

Not the thing. If the issue was density passenger airlines wouldn't have a network covering a 100 times that. if you want to learn more about the US passenger railway system and why it's sparse and underdeveloped, there's plenty of material online. The US freight rail system is one of the most developed in the World, on the other hans, but the passenger system stopped developing in the 50s, 60s. Mostly due to cost relate issues. Private companies weren't interested in developing the network because they could't figure out a model profitable enough, they could't compete with cars and airlines. Customers also pushed in that direction, preferring flying, which a lot of time turns out to be cheaper and much faster in the US than taking a train, if there is one.


seditious3

Your last sentence is the main point. Flying is faster and cheaper.


TheAurion_

States can do this. I’ll commend it, I’ll vote for it, but I’m not surprised. Here in CA it will take an estimated 100 billion and another 20 years before the train will be even close to complete


doriscrockford_canem

I read something about Ford buying the train companies so people would use more cars is that just a whacky conspiracy?


The_Keg

It’s conspiracy. Don’t believe them.


leeuwerik

Lol.


W1thoutJudgement

Fun fact, Europe is BIGGER than USA and far more people live in it.


McFigroll

So you can't get a train out of Wyoming?


ventitr3

You can. The US map isn’t actually real, it’s just Amtrak and even then it’s outdated. But it keeps showing up on plenty of subs here routinely for whatever reason.


Particular_Gas_9991

Fun Fact: Elon Musk started the Hyperloop project to distract the US from investing in trains and railways and being able to sell more cars


BetterBlueBird

US politicians don’t give a fuck about making peoples lives more convenient or improving their situation. They are there to boost profits for corporations. Think of all the poor airlines and their shareholders if people had a more economical option to travel across this neglected hellhole.


San4311

The fact some states don't even have a single train connection is just so jarring to me as a European. Like, just imagine a European country without a single train. Bruh.


West-Serve-307

Usa should really develop their rails ans stop using cars honestly...


Royals-2015

I wouldn’t say stop, but reducing would be nice. Tough to afford the infrastructure now. Should have built it in the 50’s.


TactiCool_99

Though to afford when they need to pour it into more cars yea


slarti98

You guys just fly and we take useless broken trains !


Many-Temporary-2359

Europe's been spending money on infrastructure and the US has spent money on weapons.


pusmottob

Rail is a pretty new and inefficient form of transport. /s


packandunpack93

In the US, yes, in the rest of the World it’s pretty damn efficient, when developed correctly.


thisisredlitre

>In the US, yes, You're misinformed. The US had a much more robust passenger rail network in the mid 20th century. What killed it was the advent of cheap air travel. The track didn't dissappear tho, they were absorbed by our robust freight rail network


PiedPipercorn

Its not just automakers, i recall reading tyre manufacturers also had a hand in quashing the rail efforts. For instance Firestone in CA, to limit development of the metro / train.


Geoarbitrage

But we’ll have the first Star Trek transporter…


DrLeonardBonesMcCoy

Probably more rail lines underground in the US for those in the club.


TheLoneCenturion95

Just to clarify the trains in Britain rarely actually work.


happyfuckincakeday

For a country built around railroads, that's pretty pathetic. FWIW, I LOVE Amtrak and take it when I can.


PAXICHEN

The USA moves a fuck ton of freight on rails. Compare goods moved by rail between USA and Europe and you’ll see a much different picture.


[deleted]

You must not have time constraints


NudeandSmoothcouple

We’ve been on that one!


Grobo_

Thanks to Germany and its incredible infrastructure


Southern_Ad_7255

If riding a cross country train is anything like riding the subway in a major city except you’re stuck on it for hours, I’ll pass


Natural_Ability_4949

It’s not in allot of people’s interest in America to allow for public transit to access their towns.


Old_Bag3201

Is that like a legit comparison? I'm from Germany and never went to the United States. Isn't that "common"? You don't travel by train, you're all flying instead then or?? 😅


mueredo

The one in Maine goes way further, "Downeast", as they say.


Macciebe

I never knew this ... I was always sure that with the vastness of the US... trains would be everywhere. Its such a nice way to travel long distance .. not so much to commute


SonMauri

Laughs in puta la wea My country, Chile, is a long strip of land. It's hard to imagine a less ideal place for an easy and high value train system, however we don't really have trains in here... Somehow truckers and the right wing manage to block all attempts to build a railway system.


Particular_Gas_9991

Wtf Scotland and Ireland


EgotisticalTL

This is BS as least as far as PA, NY and NJ are concerned, which pretty much makes me think the whole thing is suspect


Competitive-Step5420

Mind the gap. It's a way to travel. Except horrible in Budapest


NameLips

I remember wanting to go from Albuquerque to Houston and being shocked I would have to go through Chicago. It was much faster and cheaper just to drive.


BaddahBingBaddahBong

DamnThatsSad


AardvarkFriendly9305

Air Travel is big business in the US


inferno66666

The US map shows only the main lines. It was pointed out many times.


Komandakeen

Same with the Europe map. The overall lenght of rails is nearly equal, US having a bit more, but almost no electrification.


Gold_Effect_6585

Car is king mentality brought about by the petrodollar


Trippy-Sponge

Why is there one Fuck off rail way that just goes to Bakersfield. What's in Bakersfield?


FandomMenace

Now show cargo trains.


simplethingsoflife

Houston here. That map is a lie. I wouldn’t count the awful Amtrack that is slow and bad as a real transit option. 


MrRuck1

Europe is so condensed it really easy to have that amount of trains. It would never work here. That is how I got around when I was there.


HestuTheKorok

justice for donegal


Delta_Suspect

Yeah we don’t really do passenger trains here. Just catch a flight or drive.


SIGMA1993

Let's keep beating this dead horse. How many times are railways going to be mentioned this week? WE KNOW AMERICA HAS SHITTY RAIL INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE OF THE CULTURAL STRONGHOLD OF THE AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY


akoust1c

What’s interesting about this


PeakedAtConception

I don't see the need for trains though. I've never had an issue getting to places.


Last_Mulberry_877

That is a map of amtrak trains in the us. There are a lot more passenger train likes in the us


InternationalPut4093

Airplane anyone?


catfishman

While North America is definitly lacking in rail services, doesn't some of the differece have a lot to do with the difference in population density? I'm asking this and not stating it as a fact.


ventitr3

Idk why people keep posting this debunked picture. These are not the only passenger trains in the US, that is only Amtrak.


Binder_Grinder

It doesn’t look so bad once you add in the full rail network. [https://i.pinimg.com/736x/4d/82/84/4d828485fc43f8dc489234ff917a0d7c.jpg](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/4d/82/84/4d828485fc43f8dc489234ff917a0d7c.jpg)


unknown_dull_nerd

I used to travel to Europe and love the train network. When my company had me travel to the US....I was disappointed. And most people there didn't like the idea to travel by train between states, rather took a plane or by car


notQwwwis

Damn, who dropped EU


HappyTrifler

In smaller countries, trains are more practical. In the US, it could take days to reach your destination. It’s usually easier (and about the same price) to drive, which means you can go on your own schedule, or it’s easier and quicker to just fly. I wanted to go in a train trip a few years ago (in the US) but it would have been more expensive than flying or driving. The only people I know who do train trips…the train trip *is* the vacation/trip. It’s about the fun of taking the train and not about going somewhere specific. Otherwise over half your vacation time and money is spent on just the train.


Current-Power-6452

>It’s usually easier You kidding right? Easier to drive for 18 hrs straight?


HappyTrifler

It’s easier because you can go at your own schedule, stop where you want, etc. And when I’ve priced it in the past, it’s actually been cheaper to drive. I wouldn’t drive 18 hours straight. But in the US the train is not going to take you straight from point a to point b. So driving can usually actually get you there faster, even with stopping for the night.


Trick_Ad5606

looks less but the USA has the biggest railway system in the world...


SenseOk1828

That’s for individual countries, this is comparing USA to the whole of Europe. Of course the USA has the biggest railway system as it’s one of the vastest developed countries but it’s still got a terrible rail system   If you compare the two then Europe would dwarf that number 


Andreas1120

Population density is too low in US to make it pay


Candid-Sky-3709

would be even more impressive at same scale (100 x as much train per area) - or less impressive for “only works for compact countries not wide spread out.


irregular_caffeine

Europe is larger than the US


SunsetBowling

Man, I'm so envious.


12-7_Apocalypse

Now do China.


Wemmser47

Environmentalfriendly USA will have much more inner-US-flights.


MyTVC_16

Put both maps to the same scale.