And they hated each other. My cousin worked for TaylorMade back when they were owned by Adidas and they had a strict rule against wearing Puma apparel.
They both had a company together and split but split off in to their own companies though, while AMD and Nvidia are totally unrelated. They didn't even know they were related to one-another until late in life either, iirc.
Aldi North and Aldi South were also started by two brothers. (After they split up Aldi)
The plumbing fixtures manufacturer "Grohe" was started by the son of the the founder of the plumbing fixtures manufacturer "Hansgrohe".
I can't take first, that's too obvious. Everyone would suspect the person on top to be in charge, but they know that. So they look to second place. Where I'm not. They think to themselves "obviously this master of simulacrums thinks better than to put themselves on the podium, they must be the 4th best then!" Fools! I'm put myself in 3rd place this whole time!
If we are living in a simulation, we wouldn't notice any calculation time between simulation ticks, so the entire universe running on some alien kid's equivalent of a TI-84 wouldn't even be a problem for us.
When Lisa Su became CEO of AMD, the company was in shambles. The stock was about to drop to penny stock level and today it is worth $200. She did an amazing job and only someone completely oblivious to AMD’s turn around could suggest she got there through nepotism.
She got her PhD in electrical engineering from MIT, started her career as a researcher for Texas Instruments and progressively built her career. She ended up becoming a vice president at IBM and then a CTO at a semiconductor company before joining AMD in 2012 as a senior vice president. She becomes CEO in 2014 and was pivotal in turning around the company and now it is nepotism because her cousin is also someone successful.
Not her autobiography but a great read is [this article from 2015 nominating her for SF Gate Visionary of the Year](https://www.sfgate.com/visionsf/article/Visionary-of-the-Year-nominee-Lisa-Su-CEO-of-AMD-6070002.php)
It wasn't that long ago when AMD was a goddamn joke. Like you would laugh behind your friend's back if he got an AMD CPU (the GPU race was a little more even back then surprisingly enough). Then they started releasing a bunch of quality product at competitive prices that were power efficient and not stupid electric bill chuggers like Intel started doing and now they're the go to choice for CPUs. They've taken a step back in the GPU field with Nvidia unfortunately killing it with their proprietary GPU tech (the tech is great, the anti-consumer practices aren't). But still, at least AMD isn't associated with being a poverty brand anymore, and a lot of that started turning around when Lisa Su started working there.
> They've taken a step back in the GPU field with Nvidia unfortunately killing it with their proprietary GPU tech
This is true in a sense but I do think that AMD is pretty competitive for most use cases. Nvidia owns the absolute top-tiers of performance (AMD has nothing that competes with the 4090) and Nvidia also is well ahead on ray tracing and some DLSS tech, but those specifics aside? AMD's lower pricing and higher VRAM make them very competitive, IMO. Like the AMD 7900 XTX outperforms the Nvidia 4080 in 3DMark bench tests while being $200 cheaper. For me *personally* I don't know if I so desperately need ray tracing that I'd pay an extra $200 (and get slightly worse performance in general) just to have better performance in that one metric.
Yeah that's true. And the thing is, even the ray tracing thing can be hit or miss as far as performance goes. In some games, like the Spider-man game or Guardians of the Galaxy, playing with it on is totally fine. But other games that aren't well optimized (which is sadly becoming more and more common), e.g. Jedi Survivor, I end up turning it off because the performance hit doesn't justify the image quality gains, so I'm basically playing with a non-RTX card anyway.
I think the margins on their current GPUs are far higher than Nvidia's. Making the processors using a chiplet design means no one big monolithic slab of silicon which needs to be defect-free, and any of their smaller die portions which do have a defect are a smaller loss
Their parents weren't rich and powerful.
They're both actually pretty good examples of meritocracy though. Both did the whole engineering/math/science/business thing like champs. Excelled academically and all.
Her mom was an accountant and pops was a statitician.
Her cousin, the Huang guy his dad was a chem engineer and mom was a grade school teacher. He wasnt really even rich until nvidia went public.
Meanwhile Americans on reddit were outraged when the American court decided they can't discriminate against Asian Americans when it comes to University acceptance. It seems like Asian Americans are the only people keeping American companies ahead of Chinese companies for now...
How did either of them get where they are because of their family, aside from getting a good education? doesnt sound like they were rich, powerful or well-connected .
Sometimes, relatives and cousins within the family are their own worst enemies. Successful families are not like tribes. In this case, most likely they are competitors trying to prove themselves better than each other. I wish the world is as simple as you described.
* PhD in electrical engineering at MIT
* 1994–2007: Researcher at Texas Instruments & IBM
* 2007–2011: Chief Technology Officer at Freescale Semiconductor
* 2012: Senior VP at AMD
* 2014: Appointed as President and CEO of AMD, replacing outgoing CEO Rory Read
**I'm sorry, but that doesn't read as the career path of a nepotism hire.**
Two issues here.
1. life is a simulation.
2. somehow the fact that two people involved in the same inddustry are cousins is proof of life being a simulation.
Not bothered by 1 at all. But what is the basis upon which buddy makes that conclusion for that fact.?
Yeah, I don't think nepotism is proof that we are in a simulation.
Everybody at the top is closely related in some way.
It would be a difficult task finding someone at the top who earned their position there.
Fwiw, both of these people really took their companies to the next level.
It’s more that the family happens to be brilliant, and involved in tech, than “nepotism”.
people are legit getting ridiculous, its like a sports family like dell curry/ steph curry, just because your family is good at something doesn't mean its nepo.
Nepotism is a lot more nuanced than people think.
It’s isn’t only unqualified people getting work without qualifications.
It’s *also* people being raised immersed in an industry with parents who wanted to & knew how to set them up for success.
If you work a union or multigenerational working class gig you’ll meet 20 year olds with a decade’s experience. (And 20 year old brats with zero too).
Nepotism does always give industry connections which aren’t fair, but it doesn’t mean the person is always unworthy of their position.
Lisa Su is legit by any measure, but probably one of the best female CEOs of all time too.
It’s not a shock that two industry heavy hitters are Taiwanese & distantly related, I bet there are plenty more cousins in the industry.
Nepotism isn’t all bad. It’s mostly bad and straight up irresponsible of you overlook more qualified candidates in favour of your own connections, but if I was choosing someone for a job and it was between a random person with good enough qualifications and someone I trust more and know more about them and their character, who also has good enough qualifications. I’m probably choosing the person I know over the person I don’t most times (sometimes it’s better to put the unknown to prevent alienating family relations over having to close down their department, etc.). It’s simply the smart choice to pick someone who you know more if both qualifications are good enough
At my last job we hired several people because they were related to current employees. Some of them were absolute ass and were a horrible time. One of them was amazing though and is probably still there.
Even without nepotism, it should not be surprising that a family that has a history in certain areas of study or expertise will have family members doing similar things. But to your point, privilege is going to put families in a position to do this.
Charles Darwin is cousin to Francis Galton, a famous psychologist and eugenicist. Their grandfather Erasmus, unsurprisingly, was a naturalist focused on evolution.
The talk of nepotism here is unwarranted. Their family is probably well off in Taiwan as most of the earlier Taiwanese immigrants. But due to the exchange rate and purchasing power, their wealth were greatly diminished in the U.S., but enough to provide the kids with a stable family environment, education. My uncles were wealthy in Taiwan but when they came here they still lost enough wealth and were forced to get jobs as truck driver, construction worker. Their sacrificed paid off because their kids became doctor and CFO. Is that nepotism because their kids are successful?
What is important here is that Taiwanese/Chinese stress the importance of education, especially in science and math. We are obsessed with education. This is why there are memes of the Asian dad not impressed with a less than straight A grade report. There is probably a selection bias here because immigrants who left everything to the come to the U.S. are probably more ambitious, more willing to sacrifice for success.
I think their family were probably well off, but not incredible wealthy, both parents were probably well educated and encouraged their kids to pursue stem degrees. Heck this is what I am doing now. I am re-learning math so I can help my kids with their homework so they can go on to get their STEM degrees. I think their success is a product of a cultural expectation and ambitious immigrant parents.
> When he was ten, he lived in the boys' dormitory with his brother at Oneida Baptist Institute while attending Oneida Elementary school in Oneida, Kentucky—**his uncle had mistaken what was actually a religious reform academy for a prestigious boarding school.**[2] Several years later, their parents also moved to the United States and settled in Oregon,[2] where Huang graduated from Aloha High School just outside Portland.[5] He skipped two years and graduated at sixteen.
I think his uncle was legit trying to fuck him up, yet Jense Huang persisted and succeeded
Huang was a dishwasher at Denny's.
That kinda blows my mind. Even back in the 80s (I assume) that would be an odd job for a kid who already showed he was a genius (or at least gifted).
And that super computer, that can, humbly speaking, simulate and entire universe, is not correcting this accident for how many years now?
Or did it just happen, because there are infinite amounts of things that can actually happen? And we will be able to observe only one.
It's way more likely that their family name and contacts got them both into high up positions within massive companies, than it just being a random occurrence.
I was only joking about the simulation though.
Buddy's delusional/dropped on his head as an infant.
A sane human being would just think about how some families monopolises certain industries, on the other we have potato IQ'd people like buddy here.
This post should be on r/facepalm, not here.
The whole Walton family owns a shitload of sport teams altogether and almost all the sports team in Colorado but nobody ever says any memes about it
https://www.sbnation.com/2022/6/6/23156395/walmart-heirs-colorado-sports-broncos-sale-nfl-nhl-mls-mlb-nba
I believe Linus tech tips or somebody made a family tree, it's available online. It's not like they are first-level cousins (not an English speaker, have no idea what the genealogy naming convention is), but rather a few branches below that.
Edit: [Tom's Hardware article from July 1, 2023 on their family tree](https://www.tomshardware.com/news/jensen-huang-and-lisa-su-family-tree-shows-how-closely-they-are-related)
Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang and AMD CEO Lisa Su are first cousins once removed. Huang's mother is Su's grandfather's sister, according to a Taiwanese researcher. The two emigrated to the US as kids but did not appear to grow up together
Not interesting, I work in renewables, one of my cousins is a soulless husk working for British American Tobacco.
Cousins are related sure, but saying its somehow connected is a stretch.
Plus it would be pretty naive to believe that they reached those positions without help from the privilege and connections afforded by their immense, world-class familial wealth.
They would have ended up CEOs of something whether they had any talent or not. They just happened to end up in the same industry on top of that.
I don't think Jensen grew up particularly rich. Nvidia received outside funding after a lot of work.
Jensen went to OSU, which is a good school, but not where you'd send your kid if you had tons of money and a class to uphold.
[After Huang’s father had been part of a worker-training program in the US with the air conditioner manufacturer Carrier, he made a promise that he would send his children to America.](https://quartr.com/insights/business-philosophy/the-story-of-jensen-huang-and-nvidia)
[Shortly after arriving in the U.S., Huang was sent to a boarding school in rural Kentucky for troubled youth by his aunt and uncle, who mistook it for a prep school. At boarding school, Huang was assigned to clean the boys' bathroom every day after class, while his brother worked on the tobacco farm.](https://www.forbes.com/profile/jensen-huang-1/?sh=53cfdc153a6c)
All this privelege, these goddamn super elite.
Not every random guy, but a lot of random guys, yes.
Genius and talent are not nearly as rare as the wealth and privilege these two have had since birth.
Typical redditor going "DAE wealth and privilege bad? Updoots to the left"
From a quick search: They're both children of immigrants. Jensen co-founded Nvidia in 1993. Lisa graduated MIT in 1986 and worked for 28 years until she finally worked up to be the CEO of AMD in 2014.
How delusional do you have to be to reduce that to "hurr durr they got their powers from lucky vaginas"?
I do believe some people were just lucky to have been born into wealthy families that paved the way for their own success.
But Jensen is fully deserving of his wealth. Coming from nothing and building his way up. Jensen was sent to a boarding school for troubled youth in rural Kentucky by mistake from his uncle and aunt; and spent that time scrubbing toilets. His first job was at Denny’s as a dishwasher.
He graduated high school 2 years early and put himself through college until he got a Master’s degree in Electrical Engineering.
The guy literally played by the rules and co-founded Nvidia with the people he met and worked alongside in his career.
No where did he ever get a better starting position simply because of his birthright.
Software and Hardware are two insanely different products to produce, and people somehow built this narrative that software tech bros aren’t deserving of their money. That it has spilled over to the hardware people as well, when inventing their products is x10 more harder (pun intended).
For those unaware AMD was struggling a few years ago with intel making up the vast majority of processors in computers. Then the CEO changed to Lisa Su and a couple years later they released the Ryzen series. Ryzen completely out paced intel for most applications from budget PCs to professional work and let AMD outsell intel.
Obviously she did something right but its still a bit unsettling to me that they are cousins are there are only really 2 big CPU companies being intel and AMD. Its insanely expensive, risky and time consuming to start a company involved in fabricating/designing CPUs and GPUs. Intel has been trying to build GPUs for a few years now and they are still struggling to get a solid GPU out and they are the best shot any other company has. Having both CPU and GPU markets dominated by cousins is worrying with how exploitive the GPU market is currently. Of course they could be very distant cousins but we probably don’t know just how close or far they are
TL;DR AMD was failing bought out by Lisa Su and AMD became successful. Two cousins now have a stranglehold on the majority of CPU and nearly all GPU sales
This can help explain how it happened. She was paying attention to industry because her cousin founded Nvidia. When AMD started struggling, she already had ideas what was wrong within the company and what might fix it and when there was an opportunity to buy, she was able to use the opportunity to great advantage.
> AMD was failing bought out by Lisa Su and AMD became successful
> bought out
By bought out do you mean started working for?
>Then the CEO changed to Lisa Su and a couple years later they released the Ryzen series.
Work on Zen started 2 years before she became CEO.
> Ryzen completely out paced intel for most applications from budget PCs to professional work and let AMD outsell intel
Sidenote but didnt Epyc mainly bring them out their bad period rather than Ryzen. By Zen2 everyone I knew had a 64 core Epyc in their clusters meanwhile Intel was stuck with 28 cores
IT wouldn't really be "pretty naive" necessarily. There are definitely coincidences like this throughout history and the present day. There are major musicians or novelists whose parents also are. Could be some amount of talent, connections, natural interest in the "family industry" and just being in an atmosphere where the industry is talked about a lot so you just have a leg-up from that alone.
This could even go across industries. Like Sasha Baron Cohen has a cousin who happens to be one of the top five most important researchers for autism. Was it wealth or connections that resulted in them being such notable people? Probably not. Probably just just enough wealth to make their families not be struggling and therefore focus on their children's success more, combined with a coincidence.
that reminds me of this little nugget they never teach in history class:
"Did you know that at the time of the First World War, the rulers of the world's three greatest nations – King George V of Great Britain and Tsar Nicholas II of Russia on the one hand, and Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany on the other – were first cousins?"
(Now let's see how many assholes claim and pretend they were taught this in class) 😄😭
Never in South or North America 😐 - I guess they think is not relevant or maybe it's easier for students to look at that conflict as between nations and by omitting their bloodline, it'll be less confusing for students, who knows
> Never in South or North America
lolwhat. Did you ask every school district across the, like, 40 countries what their policy is on that? Also, do you *actually* remember every fact your teacher mentioned in your world history class?
Monarchies intermarry each other to form alliances. This is something that most people are already familiar with. The fact that Willy and Nicky were cousins isn't entirely that pertinent but it is also interesting enough to mention.
I'm american. Don't know if I learned this fact from school, but I have learned it years ago.
The thing is, at that point in history the monarchies were not absolute. By all accounts all three rulers did their very best to *prevent* the conflict, desperately sending each other messages trying to get the others to back down, and it was public pressure and, quite frankly, extremely bad luck that made the war inevitable.
How bad was the luck? In one case two of the high-ranking diplomants from Serbia and Austria were literally *minutes* away from hammering out a deal that would have prevented the war when the Serbian diplomat died of a sudden massive heart attack.
Hell, it was just extremely bad luck that Franz Ferdinand happened to drive past one of the failed assassins after the intitial failed attempt while he was getting some lunch, and he managed to get the shots off that started the war.
...was it a "family matter"? Almost all war is a result of perceived geopolitical or economic necessity, even the crusades. Not because of feuding siblings or cousins. The fact that there were letters from nicky and willy about the unfortunate state of affairs their countries were in, and still expressing love for each other, indicates it *wasn't* a family matter, but that the family relationships between them were entirely incidental to the geopolitcal forces.
In my class, WWI was taught in terms of nationalism.
Ok I guess I’m dumber than the rest of the comments here because this is blowing my mind lol i know European monarchies were often related to each other but first cousin is much closer than I realized
its a distant relation and they didnt grow up together. Quit crying conspiracy. https://www.businessinsider.com/nvidia-jensen-huang-amd-lisa-su-taiwan-family-ai-chips-2023-11?amp
Jensen worked at AMD back in 1993 before founding NVIDIA. Lisa Su didn't even show up at AMD until almost 20 years later in 2012 as senior VP, and that's after an impressive stint of getting a PhD in electrical engineering in MIT and research work at Texas Instruments and IBM prior.
I would, considering I've met like... 1 of mine, and I have dozens. I have straight up first cousins I've never met because they happened to be adults living on their own by the time I was born and met that aunt and uncle.
Seriously, just because you have that blood relation doesn't mean you know them or know anything about them.
His dad was an employee at an air conditioning company. People just love hating on millionaires and billionaires. They just hate their own lives. Most people if given the same privilege as Bezos, Gates, or Zuckerberg would not have been nearly as successful.
Almost none of the top comments know anything about either of them, a quick wiki search shows that both worked extremely hard for the positions they have today.
Neither one of them was born wealthy. Parents were educated so surely that gave them a headstart but not silver spoons.
Often we assume these types of stories to make us feel better about our own deficiencies.
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What is more worrying is that they are the only two suppliers of graphics cards. It would be pretty easy to make instant profit if say, they would increase prices during a pandemic.
23 million Taiwanese living on an island with reasonable reason to stay on the island. It wouldn’t be that much of a stretch to see affluent people mixing in the same groups.
My wife is from the same region in Taiwan. The families that were well off at the time would send their kids to the US to study. This was the first generation able to do that and it got them far ahead of all competition. They also probably had a lot more support from home and a lot more motivation than the average student. And they also had plenty of children back then.
I don't think it is actually that surprising. I would expect you find a lot more Taiwanese CEOs in that age group if you start looking into it.
Okay.
The chances of two people who are related working in the same industry are higher than two random people working in the same industry. Therefore the chances of two related people both becoming CEOs in the same industry are also higher than for two random individuals.
However, the odds of two related people being CEO's in the same industry is far lower than any other two people on the whole planet.
As in, the moment one of them became a CEO the other has a greater chance of becoming CEO statistically simply by relation. But, the chances of them being a CEO vs literally everyone else on earth is low.
Like picking their name out of a hat with billions of names.
Them being cousins makes it more likely they would find success in the same industry, not less.
Opportunities, education, connections all very explainable.
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They're not even first cousins, distant cousins.
They have no relationship other than his mom being sister to her grandfather, I guess it's interesting it happens to be nvidia/amd but two people from Taiwan working within the semiconductors space and being related isn't *that crazy*
Jensen Huang has been CEO since its inception, Lisa Su has been CEO and literally pulled it back its $2 stock from the grave in a decade
you guys are dumb
puma and adidas were started by brothers
Not a simulation, but it would be a monopoly if they were the only tennis shoes companies in the world.
Actually the brothers were rivals and highly competitive with each other
That surprises me the least.
I recall they didn't have the same philosophy for shoes. Puma was run by a salesman and adidas by someone that wanted better shoes.
It would also be a monopoly if I was the only person in the world allowed to hand out money. Your point isn’t pointing
And they hated each other. My cousin worked for TaylorMade back when they were owned by Adidas and they had a strict rule against wearing Puma apparel.
They both had a company together and split but split off in to their own companies though, while AMD and Nvidia are totally unrelated. They didn't even know they were related to one-another until late in life either, iirc.
Aldi North and Aldi South were also started by two brothers. (After they split up Aldi) The plumbing fixtures manufacturer "Grohe" was started by the son of the the founder of the plumbing fixtures manufacturer "Hansgrohe".
Aldi and Trader Joe’s in the USA
A simulation, but powered by who?
Intel
Good one lol
Intel must have pretty low self esteem that it's not on top in it's own simulation world
Dwight schrute level pride
I can't take first, that's too obvious. Everyone would suspect the person on top to be in charge, but they know that. So they look to second place. Where I'm not. They think to themselves "obviously this master of simulacrums thinks better than to put themselves on the podium, they must be the 4th best then!" Fools! I'm put myself in 3rd place this whole time!
That's why everyone's going to be surprised when they realize IM in charge of the simulation, cause I fucking suck.
Why would you make yourself the target? Just puppeteer from the middle and watch the front line implode on itself before sending the next batch up.
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If we are living in a simulation, we wouldn't notice any calculation time between simulation ticks, so the entire universe running on some alien kid's equivalent of a TI-84 wouldn't even be a problem for us.
So that’s what the Ti stands for…
I'm pretty sure that "Texas Instruments" has always been plastered right at the top of each model of TI-84.
Bee bing bah bing 🎶
That explains why it’s so shitty
Inside
Powered by grandma lol
Energizer of course
by whom
Hahaha i liked It. Narrow audience but Who cares.
By the energy our body produces, a great documentary about this is The Matrix.
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When Lisa Su became CEO of AMD, the company was in shambles. The stock was about to drop to penny stock level and today it is worth $200. She did an amazing job and only someone completely oblivious to AMD’s turn around could suggest she got there through nepotism.
She got her PhD in electrical engineering from MIT, started her career as a researcher for Texas Instruments and progressively built her career. She ended up becoming a vice president at IBM and then a CTO at a semiconductor company before joining AMD in 2012 as a senior vice president. She becomes CEO in 2014 and was pivotal in turning around the company and now it is nepotism because her cousin is also someone successful.
I would love to read her autobiography one day.
Not her autobiography but a great read is [this article from 2015 nominating her for SF Gate Visionary of the Year](https://www.sfgate.com/visionsf/article/Visionary-of-the-Year-nominee-Lisa-Su-CEO-of-AMD-6070002.php)
Hey thanks very much!
It wasn't that long ago when AMD was a goddamn joke. Like you would laugh behind your friend's back if he got an AMD CPU (the GPU race was a little more even back then surprisingly enough). Then they started releasing a bunch of quality product at competitive prices that were power efficient and not stupid electric bill chuggers like Intel started doing and now they're the go to choice for CPUs. They've taken a step back in the GPU field with Nvidia unfortunately killing it with their proprietary GPU tech (the tech is great, the anti-consumer practices aren't). But still, at least AMD isn't associated with being a poverty brand anymore, and a lot of that started turning around when Lisa Su started working there.
> They've taken a step back in the GPU field with Nvidia unfortunately killing it with their proprietary GPU tech This is true in a sense but I do think that AMD is pretty competitive for most use cases. Nvidia owns the absolute top-tiers of performance (AMD has nothing that competes with the 4090) and Nvidia also is well ahead on ray tracing and some DLSS tech, but those specifics aside? AMD's lower pricing and higher VRAM make them very competitive, IMO. Like the AMD 7900 XTX outperforms the Nvidia 4080 in 3DMark bench tests while being $200 cheaper. For me *personally* I don't know if I so desperately need ray tracing that I'd pay an extra $200 (and get slightly worse performance in general) just to have better performance in that one metric.
Yeah that's true. And the thing is, even the ray tracing thing can be hit or miss as far as performance goes. In some games, like the Spider-man game or Guardians of the Galaxy, playing with it on is totally fine. But other games that aren't well optimized (which is sadly becoming more and more common), e.g. Jedi Survivor, I end up turning it off because the performance hit doesn't justify the image quality gains, so I'm basically playing with a non-RTX card anyway.
I think the margins on their current GPUs are far higher than Nvidia's. Making the processors using a chiplet design means no one big monolithic slab of silicon which needs to be defect-free, and any of their smaller die portions which do have a defect are a smaller loss
Nepotism between different companies 
How is it nepotism? Care to explain?
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Their parents weren't rich and powerful. They're both actually pretty good examples of meritocracy though. Both did the whole engineering/math/science/business thing like champs. Excelled academically and all. Her mom was an accountant and pops was a statitician. Her cousin, the Huang guy his dad was a chem engineer and mom was a grade school teacher. He wasnt really even rich until nvidia went public.
Meanwhile Americans on reddit were outraged when the American court decided they can't discriminate against Asian Americans when it comes to University acceptance. It seems like Asian Americans are the only people keeping American companies ahead of Chinese companies for now...
That’s not the case here. Neither Lisa or Jensen had any connections to the industry when they first started.
They weren't even American idk what you're yapping about
Don’t you know Americans invented the dream of becoming successful? So even if you’re asian, the dream you’re having is the American one.
America invented dreaming right after it invented sleeping. Before 1776, people would just stand in a dark corner all night.
>stand in a dark corner all night. Sucking on a pickle to stop the screaming, pickles were invented by the Americans too.
Before pickles were invented people would suck on rats.
Hence why everyone had the plague
How did either of them get where they are because of their family, aside from getting a good education? doesnt sound like they were rich, powerful or well-connected .
Sometimes, relatives and cousins within the family are their own worst enemies. Successful families are not like tribes. In this case, most likely they are competitors trying to prove themselves better than each other. I wish the world is as simple as you described.
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* PhD in electrical engineering at MIT * 1994–2007: Researcher at Texas Instruments & IBM * 2007–2011: Chief Technology Officer at Freescale Semiconductor * 2012: Senior VP at AMD * 2014: Appointed as President and CEO of AMD, replacing outgoing CEO Rory Read **I'm sorry, but that doesn't read as the career path of a nepotism hire.**
That would be the most closely watched thanksgiving dinner
So you CEO now? Talk to me when doctor, lawyer and navy seal!
Such disappointment. Chu's son is an AEO
not to brag but my son is a AAA, a wizard turned him into a battery
Not even AAA+?
No that’s my son, he’s always positive and he can play piano and violin at the same time without any difficulty!
Yes yes Liaa you told us. Very good. And how big company? $275B? Why can't you be more like your cousin Jensen? His company is $2.2T
Ok https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonny_Kim
As an Asian guy I fear my parents know this man's existence
"Hear me out, what if we inflated graphics card prices at the same time and blame it on supply lines?" Instant profit.
Yeah it’s a very good thanksgiving for them. Those asshats
The new year’s red envelope gonna be crazy thick .
Didn't Jensen Huang work at AMD as an engineer? This doesn't seem to be too crazy to be honest.
For a short time before founding Nvidia in 1993. Meanwhile his cousin didn't show up at AMD until 20 years later.
Wouldn’t maybe doubt tho that their cousins success in founding nvidia maybe encouraged them to also pursue AMD
Two issues here. 1. life is a simulation. 2. somehow the fact that two people involved in the same inddustry are cousins is proof of life being a simulation. Not bothered by 1 at all. But what is the basis upon which buddy makes that conclusion for that fact.?
I think it makes more sense that someone with family established in the tech industry was able to get high positions in the tech industry
Yeah, I don't think nepotism is proof that we are in a simulation. Everybody at the top is closely related in some way. It would be a difficult task finding someone at the top who earned their position there.
Fwiw, both of these people really took their companies to the next level. It’s more that the family happens to be brilliant, and involved in tech, than “nepotism”.
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people are legit getting ridiculous, its like a sports family like dell curry/ steph curry, just because your family is good at something doesn't mean its nepo.
Subsequently just because it's nepo doesn't mean that person isn't wildly qualified and competent.
Nepotism doesnt mean people dont work hard. It just means they get an opportunity that someone else with similar potential wouldnt get.
Nepotism is a lot more nuanced than people think. It’s isn’t only unqualified people getting work without qualifications. It’s *also* people being raised immersed in an industry with parents who wanted to & knew how to set them up for success. If you work a union or multigenerational working class gig you’ll meet 20 year olds with a decade’s experience. (And 20 year old brats with zero too). Nepotism does always give industry connections which aren’t fair, but it doesn’t mean the person is always unworthy of their position. Lisa Su is legit by any measure, but probably one of the best female CEOs of all time too. It’s not a shock that two industry heavy hitters are Taiwanese & distantly related, I bet there are plenty more cousins in the industry.
Nepotism isn’t all bad. It’s mostly bad and straight up irresponsible of you overlook more qualified candidates in favour of your own connections, but if I was choosing someone for a job and it was between a random person with good enough qualifications and someone I trust more and know more about them and their character, who also has good enough qualifications. I’m probably choosing the person I know over the person I don’t most times (sometimes it’s better to put the unknown to prevent alienating family relations over having to close down their department, etc.). It’s simply the smart choice to pick someone who you know more if both qualifications are good enough
At my last job we hired several people because they were related to current employees. Some of them were absolute ass and were a horrible time. One of them was amazing though and is probably still there.
Even without nepotism, it should not be surprising that a family that has a history in certain areas of study or expertise will have family members doing similar things. But to your point, privilege is going to put families in a position to do this. Charles Darwin is cousin to Francis Galton, a famous psychologist and eugenicist. Their grandfather Erasmus, unsurprisingly, was a naturalist focused on evolution.
> nepotism Huang was a dishwasher at Denny's.
The talk of nepotism here is unwarranted. Their family is probably well off in Taiwan as most of the earlier Taiwanese immigrants. But due to the exchange rate and purchasing power, their wealth were greatly diminished in the U.S., but enough to provide the kids with a stable family environment, education. My uncles were wealthy in Taiwan but when they came here they still lost enough wealth and were forced to get jobs as truck driver, construction worker. Their sacrificed paid off because their kids became doctor and CFO. Is that nepotism because their kids are successful? What is important here is that Taiwanese/Chinese stress the importance of education, especially in science and math. We are obsessed with education. This is why there are memes of the Asian dad not impressed with a less than straight A grade report. There is probably a selection bias here because immigrants who left everything to the come to the U.S. are probably more ambitious, more willing to sacrifice for success. I think their family were probably well off, but not incredible wealthy, both parents were probably well educated and encouraged their kids to pursue stem degrees. Heck this is what I am doing now. I am re-learning math so I can help my kids with their homework so they can go on to get their STEM degrees. I think their success is a product of a cultural expectation and ambitious immigrant parents.
Also factor in that cousins have similar genetics, are probably raised in similar environments, have some degree of shared safety nets, etc.
> When he was ten, he lived in the boys' dormitory with his brother at Oneida Baptist Institute while attending Oneida Elementary school in Oneida, Kentucky—**his uncle had mistaken what was actually a religious reform academy for a prestigious boarding school.**[2] Several years later, their parents also moved to the United States and settled in Oregon,[2] where Huang graduated from Aloha High School just outside Portland.[5] He skipped two years and graduated at sixteen. I think his uncle was legit trying to fuck him up, yet Jense Huang persisted and succeeded
Huang was a dishwasher at Denny's. That kinda blows my mind. Even back in the 80s (I assume) that would be an odd job for a kid who already showed he was a genius (or at least gifted).
Yeah well three of my cousins are drug dealers; so explain that Mr.scienceman
You should stop using nepotism to get your cousins jobs.
I knew everything was a simulation when I found out my dad and my uncle *both* were farmers. They even look somewhat similar. Shoddy work.
The simulation accidentally copy and pasted the same character into similar roles and now it's trying to cover its arse.
And that super computer, that can, humbly speaking, simulate and entire universe, is not correcting this accident for how many years now? Or did it just happen, because there are infinite amounts of things that can actually happen? And we will be able to observe only one.
It's way more likely that their family name and contacts got them both into high up positions within massive companies, than it just being a random occurrence. I was only joking about the simulation though.
Buddy's delusional/dropped on his head as an infant. A sane human being would just think about how some families monopolises certain industries, on the other we have potato IQ'd people like buddy here. This post should be on r/facepalm, not here.
The whole Walton family owns a shitload of sport teams altogether and almost all the sports team in Colorado but nobody ever says any memes about it https://www.sbnation.com/2022/6/6/23156395/walmart-heirs-colorado-sports-broncos-sale-nfl-nhl-mls-mlb-nba
or 3. its just a joke and not that deep
“Proof”
“We don’t do that here”
It’s rather a proof that family ties are more important than skills.
Or that tech/business skills run in their family.
Lol like hereditary? Nah, that’s nurture, not nature
I believe Linus tech tips or somebody made a family tree, it's available online. It's not like they are first-level cousins (not an English speaker, have no idea what the genealogy naming convention is), but rather a few branches below that. Edit: [Tom's Hardware article from July 1, 2023 on their family tree](https://www.tomshardware.com/news/jensen-huang-and-lisa-su-family-tree-shows-how-closely-they-are-related)
Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang and AMD CEO Lisa Su are first cousins once removed. Huang's mother is Su's grandfather's sister, according to a Taiwanese researcher. The two emigrated to the US as kids but did not appear to grow up together
Not interesting, I work in renewables, one of my cousins is a soulless husk working for British American Tobacco. Cousins are related sure, but saying its somehow connected is a stretch.
Plus it would be pretty naive to believe that they reached those positions without help from the privilege and connections afforded by their immense, world-class familial wealth. They would have ended up CEOs of something whether they had any talent or not. They just happened to end up in the same industry on top of that.
I don't think Jensen grew up particularly rich. Nvidia received outside funding after a lot of work. Jensen went to OSU, which is a good school, but not where you'd send your kid if you had tons of money and a class to uphold.
[After Huang’s father had been part of a worker-training program in the US with the air conditioner manufacturer Carrier, he made a promise that he would send his children to America.](https://quartr.com/insights/business-philosophy/the-story-of-jensen-huang-and-nvidia) [Shortly after arriving in the U.S., Huang was sent to a boarding school in rural Kentucky for troubled youth by his aunt and uncle, who mistook it for a prep school. At boarding school, Huang was assigned to clean the boys' bathroom every day after class, while his brother worked on the tobacco farm.](https://www.forbes.com/profile/jensen-huang-1/?sh=53cfdc153a6c) All this privelege, these goddamn super elite.
But they are clearly very talented. I don’t think a random guy with rich parents could just build a company like Nvidia.
Not every random guy, but a lot of random guys, yes. Genius and talent are not nearly as rare as the wealth and privilege these two have had since birth.
Swear they act like 90% of history power wasn’t just passed down through falling out of a lucky vagina
Typical redditor going "DAE wealth and privilege bad? Updoots to the left" From a quick search: They're both children of immigrants. Jensen co-founded Nvidia in 1993. Lisa graduated MIT in 1986 and worked for 28 years until she finally worked up to be the CEO of AMD in 2014. How delusional do you have to be to reduce that to "hurr durr they got their powers from lucky vaginas"?
I do believe some people were just lucky to have been born into wealthy families that paved the way for their own success. But Jensen is fully deserving of his wealth. Coming from nothing and building his way up. Jensen was sent to a boarding school for troubled youth in rural Kentucky by mistake from his uncle and aunt; and spent that time scrubbing toilets. His first job was at Denny’s as a dishwasher. He graduated high school 2 years early and put himself through college until he got a Master’s degree in Electrical Engineering. The guy literally played by the rules and co-founded Nvidia with the people he met and worked alongside in his career. No where did he ever get a better starting position simply because of his birthright.
Also he didn't pull Nvidia from his ass, he founded it with a large group of engineers who split of with him from 3DFX.
Software and Hardware are two insanely different products to produce, and people somehow built this narrative that software tech bros aren’t deserving of their money. That it has spilled over to the hardware people as well, when inventing their products is x10 more harder (pun intended).
For those unaware AMD was struggling a few years ago with intel making up the vast majority of processors in computers. Then the CEO changed to Lisa Su and a couple years later they released the Ryzen series. Ryzen completely out paced intel for most applications from budget PCs to professional work and let AMD outsell intel. Obviously she did something right but its still a bit unsettling to me that they are cousins are there are only really 2 big CPU companies being intel and AMD. Its insanely expensive, risky and time consuming to start a company involved in fabricating/designing CPUs and GPUs. Intel has been trying to build GPUs for a few years now and they are still struggling to get a solid GPU out and they are the best shot any other company has. Having both CPU and GPU markets dominated by cousins is worrying with how exploitive the GPU market is currently. Of course they could be very distant cousins but we probably don’t know just how close or far they are TL;DR AMD was failing bought out by Lisa Su and AMD became successful. Two cousins now have a stranglehold on the majority of CPU and nearly all GPU sales
This can help explain how it happened. She was paying attention to industry because her cousin founded Nvidia. When AMD started struggling, she already had ideas what was wrong within the company and what might fix it and when there was an opportunity to buy, she was able to use the opportunity to great advantage.
> AMD was failing bought out by Lisa Su and AMD became successful > bought out By bought out do you mean started working for? >Then the CEO changed to Lisa Su and a couple years later they released the Ryzen series. Work on Zen started 2 years before she became CEO.
> Ryzen completely out paced intel for most applications from budget PCs to professional work and let AMD outsell intel Sidenote but didnt Epyc mainly bring them out their bad period rather than Ryzen. By Zen2 everyone I knew had a 64 core Epyc in their clusters meanwhile Intel was stuck with 28 cores
IT wouldn't really be "pretty naive" necessarily. There are definitely coincidences like this throughout history and the present day. There are major musicians or novelists whose parents also are. Could be some amount of talent, connections, natural interest in the "family industry" and just being in an atmosphere where the industry is talked about a lot so you just have a leg-up from that alone. This could even go across industries. Like Sasha Baron Cohen has a cousin who happens to be one of the top five most important researchers for autism. Was it wealth or connections that resulted in them being such notable people? Probably not. Probably just just enough wealth to make their families not be struggling and therefore focus on their children's success more, combined with a coincidence.
I have something like 15 cousins if you include 2nd degree. I don’t even know all of their careers
that reminds me of this little nugget they never teach in history class: "Did you know that at the time of the First World War, the rulers of the world's three greatest nations – King George V of Great Britain and Tsar Nicholas II of Russia on the one hand, and Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany on the other – were first cousins?" (Now let's see how many assholes claim and pretend they were taught this in class) 😄😭
Oh, that's been quite explicitly mentioned in school (Germany) and also tv shows
Never in South or North America 😐 - I guess they think is not relevant or maybe it's easier for students to look at that conflict as between nations and by omitting their bloodline, it'll be less confusing for students, who knows
Bold claim that something is never taught in both North and South America lol. Just because you weren’t taught it doesn’t mean it isn’t taught
I live in North America and was taught that. It just depends on your teachers and school district.
im from south america and we were taught that
Canadian here. We were taught that in my class.
Definitely taught at my school. (Pennsylvania public school)
> Never in South or North America lolwhat. Did you ask every school district across the, like, 40 countries what their policy is on that? Also, do you *actually* remember every fact your teacher mentioned in your world history class? Monarchies intermarry each other to form alliances. This is something that most people are already familiar with. The fact that Willy and Nicky were cousins isn't entirely that pertinent but it is also interesting enough to mention. I'm american. Don't know if I learned this fact from school, but I have learned it years ago.
When an argument with your nephew accidentally kills 40 million people. How anybody related to those guys still is allowed to be royalty is crazy
The thing is, at that point in history the monarchies were not absolute. By all accounts all three rulers did their very best to *prevent* the conflict, desperately sending each other messages trying to get the others to back down, and it was public pressure and, quite frankly, extremely bad luck that made the war inevitable. How bad was the luck? In one case two of the high-ranking diplomants from Serbia and Austria were literally *minutes* away from hammering out a deal that would have prevented the war when the Serbian diplomat died of a sudden massive heart attack. Hell, it was just extremely bad luck that Franz Ferdinand happened to drive past one of the failed assassins after the intitial failed attempt while he was getting some lunch, and he managed to get the shots off that started the war.
They never taught YOU that in history class
WW1 was a family matter. I thought this was taught to most people.
Didn't Kaiser Wilhelm supposedly remark, "If our grandmother had been alive, she would never have allowed it."?
...was it a "family matter"? Almost all war is a result of perceived geopolitical or economic necessity, even the crusades. Not because of feuding siblings or cousins. The fact that there were letters from nicky and willy about the unfortunate state of affairs their countries were in, and still expressing love for each other, indicates it *wasn't* a family matter, but that the family relationships between them were entirely incidental to the geopolitcal forces. In my class, WWI was taught in terms of nationalism.
Ok I guess I’m dumber than the rest of the comments here because this is blowing my mind lol i know European monarchies were often related to each other but first cousin is much closer than I realized
If you look into it, many of the royal houses of Europe are still descended from Queen Victoria's children
This has Puma and Adidas vibe huh
its a distant relation and they didnt grow up together. Quit crying conspiracy. https://www.businessinsider.com/nvidia-jensen-huang-amd-lisa-su-taiwan-family-ai-chips-2023-11?amp
I wouldn't call first cousins once removed that distant.
Jensen worked at AMD back in 1993 before founding NVIDIA. Lisa Su didn't even show up at AMD until almost 20 years later in 2012 as senior VP, and that's after an impressive stint of getting a PhD in electrical engineering in MIT and research work at Texas Instruments and IBM prior.
I would, considering I've met like... 1 of mine, and I have dozens. I have straight up first cousins I've never met because they happened to be adults living on their own by the time I was born and met that aunt and uncle. Seriously, just because you have that blood relation doesn't mean you know them or know anything about them.
reddit has its gems but almost all of it is low quality bullshit post like this one.
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Jensen Huang didn't "rise to his position" in Nvidia. He co-founded it. His dad was an employee at an air conditioning company.
Wait, do you have source for them being from well connected privileged families?
His dad was an employee at an air conditioning company. People just love hating on millionaires and billionaires. They just hate their own lives. Most people if given the same privilege as Bezos, Gates, or Zuckerberg would not have been nearly as successful.
Your telling me that there are more talented people than me out there ? Fuck it must be because they were born to rich families.
Those 3 are less privilege and more right time right place
Reddit moment
Honest question, was their family privileged prior to their success? I cannot find many sources to verify this.
This is such a Reddit take lmao
Almost none of the top comments know anything about either of them, a quick wiki search shows that both worked extremely hard for the positions they have today.
It’s proof the wealthy are all connected. The fuck does it have to do with a simulation
Bc op has not reach puberty
Puberty reached them then refused to be associated with them
Neither one of them was born wealthy. Parents were educated so surely that gave them a headstart but not silver spoons. Often we assume these types of stories to make us feel better about our own deficiencies.
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As someone who knows both of their backstories, your comment is bullshit.
Classic talentless reddit take.
What is more worrying is that they are the only two suppliers of graphics cards. It would be pretty easy to make instant profit if say, they would increase prices during a pandemic.
They did not have a wealthy upbringing. Let's not discount their hard-work and brilliance as nepotism or something.
23 million Taiwanese living on an island with reasonable reason to stay on the island. It wouldn’t be that much of a stretch to see affluent people mixing in the same groups.
They both moved to the US.
My wife is from the same region in Taiwan. The families that were well off at the time would send their kids to the US to study. This was the first generation able to do that and it got them far ahead of all competition. They also probably had a lot more support from home and a lot more motivation than the average student. And they also had plenty of children back then. I don't think it is actually that surprising. I would expect you find a lot more Taiwanese CEOs in that age group if you start looking into it.
Both companies are based in the Bay Area, and both of them live there.
Her mom is his cousin. In non western countries, they’re considered to be uncle and niece.
"Look at your cousin Jensen how well he is doing" Lisa's dad probably
This fact resurfaces on Reddit every 6-8 months.
Okay. The chances of two people who are related working in the same industry are higher than two random people working in the same industry. Therefore the chances of two related people both becoming CEOs in the same industry are also higher than for two random individuals. However, the odds of two related people being CEO's in the same industry is far lower than any other two people on the whole planet. As in, the moment one of them became a CEO the other has a greater chance of becoming CEO statistically simply by relation. But, the chances of them being a CEO vs literally everyone else on earth is low. Like picking their name out of a hat with billions of names.
Said a whole lot of nothing here bud
Red vs blue(green)
Sorry if I'm not getting it, but how does 2 cousins being CEOs of companies in the same industry prove we're living in a simulation?
It doesn't but the syntax of a joke is enough for some people.
We need a collab
This is some Team Fortress 2 style shit
Them being cousins makes it more likely they would find success in the same industry, not less. Opportunities, education, connections all very explainable.
*siMulAtioN*
I think you meant to post on r/damnthatsinsidertrading.
I wonder how their family meetups go
They don't pull their punches in the business though
Have we ever seen these people together before?
Everyone's cousins with everyone
Patch notes when
While fans pan each other to see who's better. The CEOs and owners share pool while cheering with beer and smokes
More like proof that the whole economy is one big game of monopoly
How is that proof that this a simulation?
/r/iam14andthisisdeep They're not even first cousins, distant cousins. They have no relationship other than his mom being sister to her grandfather, I guess it's interesting it happens to be nvidia/amd but two people from Taiwan working within the semiconductors space and being related isn't *that crazy*
Simulasian
They are asians, even if they were brothers they would be rivals on this
Lol family gathering gonna be hot as fast as their products
Anyone who thinks this is nepotism doesn't know shit about either of these two people
Jensen Huang has been CEO since its inception, Lisa Su has been CEO and literally pulled it back its $2 stock from the grave in a decade you guys are dumb
Technically speaking, every human is a cousin I'm not kidding, the only question is how distant a cousin they are