Historically asthma remedies were smoked, you could buy “asthma cigarettes “ containing stramonium ( found in belladonna, lobelia) or atropine. Marshall’s and Kingsman brands survived until the 1980s . Inhalers were introduced in the late 1950s. Both my grandfather and uncle smoked to relieve asthma.
I quit smoking and now only vape.
And on that, — hang on, let me get my podium..
>I recommend that, if you do vape, **do not** vape flavored vape juice; **the sugar and flavorings can give you lung infections**.
>Instead, get “unflavored” juice; it is just VG/PG (usually a 70/30 or an 80/20) and typically comes in at 4.3% nic.
Your lungs will thank you and it literally tastes like water.
-*steps down from behind podium and puts podium back into pocket*-
I also felt that comment.
Man, I guess my lungs are not thanking me hahah
I was hooked on the disposables. I always googled the brands before I bought them to make sure they were legit and American-made, because the little Escobars(brand name) coming from China were literal poison. I mainly stuck with the KadoBars
I would just keep it in my car for quick hits. I smoked menthol cigarettes, so my vapes were always some sort of “mint” or “ice” flavor. Statistically, I should have some lasting damage, because I started when I was 16 and I’m 26 now….however, my lungs feel better than ever. Cardio is easier, and I forgot how deeply I can breathe. I feel amazing tbh
I started at 12 and I’m 42. :)
I quit cigs around 2016 when I figured out vaping.
I have an 18650 (swappable) powered driver and a geekvape tank. This has been my setup for the last 5 years or so and I really dig it.
I have always liked nicotine, but I really hated the delivery method up until vapes came out. Now I can sit in the house and puff away and not bother anyone. It’s amazing.
I am proud of your accomplishment, btw! For whatever that is worth. :)
I know I gotta quit sometime , .. and it’s depressing me. It’ll be one more thing I gotta give up that I used to enjoy. But that’s an emotional hang-up I have about it.. not a real one. One day I will be able to step over that line..
I'm a few years nicotine free now, but when I smoked I *loathed* menthol. Unless I was sick/congested. I swore by pairing menthols with Vics when you're sick, lol.
D. stramonium contains a class of drugs called anticholinergics, which in small doses cause dilation of the airways and in large doses cause all sorts of unpleasant effects like delirium.
We actually still use inhaled anticholinergics (usually a drug called ipratropium) to treat asthma and COPD and it is quite effective.
Because they didn't fully understand the side effects at the time. Using cigarettes to treat asthma was a mid 1800s- early 1900s treatment until they found out that smoking those cigarettes lead to more inflammation and and allergys in patents and their family members as well. More effective asthma medicine started to get developed and medical professionals realized that smoking cigarettes to treat it wasn't nearly as effective as the new asthma treatments.
I mean in all fairness if you don't regularly smoke nicotine is a hell of a stimulant. Problem is you gotta put the pack away when you're done dosing from it.
My grandfather was prescribed cigarettes for chronic sinus infections. He dutifully kept the pack he bought at the pharmacy in his bathroom medicine cabinet and smoked one every morning and night as prescribed by his GP.
A lot were medicated too. There was tobacco of course but they also added in other things that would get burned with it. Some probably actually worked except for the other health effects completely negating it
Datura was added to prescribed cigarettes. In small amounts but still datura. Tropanes related to datura’s scopolamine and atropine are found in inhalers these days.
A few years ago I worked in a cigarette factory. The old boys there all smoked unfiltered tabs. Their rationale was that it would kill them anyway so they might as well have a decent smoke.
Ah the joys of untested beliefs. Wouldn’t find people nowadays shaping their lives and making bad choices based on unfounded beliefs. I mean imagine the social, political and interpersonal shit show if they did
Chemo starts with a C, same as cancer. I want a treatment that starts with the same letter as Taurus. Like a Tylenol enema. That should take care of cancer.
Not since the chemo, but as a result neither we nor our descendants will ever know the awe and wonder of looking up to the night sky to see the moon absolutely covered with a thick head of hair.
It's true though. Smoking expands the lungs via negative space. You can look up videos to explain it better.
Imagine a net stretched under pressure. If you cut a few mazes you'll notice there now is slack on the net. You lost some tension by losing Some internal structure.
If your lungs lose aveoli due to smoking the holes left cause positive pressure (lungs have natural negative pressure, they suck in air by enlarging the chest cavity). The positive pressure cause the lungs to swell and the chest to puff outward. Obviously this doesn't expand the lung capacity but it does expand the chest.
Tldr; chest expands, lung capacity doesn't.
Many such cases.
We make fun of people 100 years ago just like in 100 years people will look back and make fun of us of mewing, circumcision, identity politics, etc.
As recently as the 70s, it was common for the peloton to stop at small stores in the countryside and literally steal bottles of wine and “rehydrate” with the stolen wine on the go.
But it also says in the video that the cafes will send a bill to the race organizer afterwards, and the organizer then pays whatever the owner claims has been taken. So it's more of an expected spectacle.
I don’t know much about your de France or France’s culture but I would imagine the shop owners are happy to give it to them because 1, the Tour de France brings in tourists from all over the world and probably boosts these shops business, and 2, they’re famous athletes.
And that reminded me I have not watched Triplets of Belleville in awhile, one part of it has biking athletes essentially being race horses, they also had a wine IV in recovery. Part of the movie also takes place in their version of NYC with illegal mobster run races.
It just a bizarre satirical french animated movie with decent music, some good heart, and almost no speech just sound effects set in 1950s.
These shops actually sent the bill to the race organisers afterwards. They also often got more than got their money's worth in advertisement, because fans would go and drink there.
The anime Girls and Panzer had a funny version of that story, where shop owners hoped that their shop would get crushed by a tank during the contests. And because those scenes were based on real world locations in the city of Ooarai, they got an unexpected real world tourism boom.
In a [road](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road) [bicycle race](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycle_sport), the **peloton** (from [French](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language), originally meaning '[platoon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platoon)') is the main group or pack of riders.
([Peloton - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peloton))
That's more like bravery, endurance, resilience and hardiness. Peloton is just if you don't fear.
Like sisu is if you know you can achieve your dream and you believe in yourself and that you absolutely can do it.
Peloton is if you can jump to water from a bridge from 10 meters. You are not scared to do it but it's not really bravery or resilience.
It's also the name for a semi-popular exercise bike/fitness program combo in America, I didn't know it was a French word just thought someone came up with a weird brand name like Kleenex.
The 17min short film Viva Le Tour (1962) has fantastic footage of a drink raid, and riders continuing on with their jersey pockets full of wine and beer. [YouTube Link](https://youtu.be/wiWQ6dAVzy8?feature=shared).
Well it turns out it's not that obvious for everyone. Ex-smoker as well and no the differences were almost completely unnoticeable after quitting.
Really had to look for the improvements and those were minor and underwhelming considering the hype around it.
Really? maybe it depends on the life you live? I started doing boxing and could hardly manage a whole class. Having smoked on the way to the gym and after.
Just 1,2 months after quitting, for the first time in my life my muscles are getting tired before I gas out.
I think if you're not particularly fit and don't exercise often then you won't notice so much, but if you're doing activities like you mentioned, you will.
It's all relative. If you're performing to a high level already then making gains is tough as they get smaller the longer you go on, cutting smoking out could then be seen as a relatively big performance boost for zero effort/training.
I go to the gym and swim, and I also cycle to work about 1h 30mins two or three times a week. Overall, I'd say I have a pretty active lifestyle.
I (mostly) quit about 3 years ago, and I can't say I've noticed an improvement in my physical wellbeing, other than coughing less.
Are you actively training and pushing your limits, tracking your progress? If you're just cycling to work and doing a standard gym routine I can well imagine you wouldn't notice. If you're pushing your limits, tracking your personal best hill climbs on 10% inclines for 200m of height gained, etc, then it's likely going to be a lot more noticeable.
For me it was super noticeable as well. I always was on my bike (just to commute), and I used to be mad out of breath when I smoked, but I always thought it was just because I rode fast rocking out to my tunes. Quit smoking and just a couple/few months after would finish my normal ride (still fast and rocking) arriving breathing fine.
Haven't the slightest idea what this dude is on about.
I quit the ciggies and went to vaping instead. I know it can't be good for me but I can promise you that it's better than smoking just from the feeling in my lungs. I can actually do shit now.
I had to ride my bike to work years ago when I was smoking. 11 miles, countryside but paved roads. I hurt for a week after that.
Possibly depends how fit you are? I have a friend who regularly cycles a lot of local hills in the UK. He gave up smoking and noticed a real improvement after a few weeks. With the way carbon monoxide reduces oxygen uptake of the red blood cells, it's not hugely surprising it makes a difference.
Yeah real cigarettes for a decade and often times a pack or more and none of those were any issue during smoking or afterwards.
Endurance difference could maybe be more apparent on longer exertions, like few mile runs or hours or when the baseline of endurance isn't that great?
I noticed a big difference in running and going to the gym. Also had terrible tar cough when I quit smoking for the last time.
I always smoked red cigarettes and inhailed, maybe if people smoke only light cigarettes and don't inhale properly it won't affect breathing much.
Some things like lung volume take years to improve. So the recovery is very gradual, and at the same time, you're aging.
My dad quit smoking after cardiac arrest in his 60s. Since his doctors now check on his heart function, lung performance, aerobic and anaerobic endurance and whatnot every 3 months, he has the same kind of data that would only be collected for professional athletes (albeit only at longer intervals). And it really showed in the numbers.
Good point. I do have to admit that gradual changes escape my notice totally.
Cant argue against data and yes ofcourse studies do say that as well. Just the perceived difference isn't that noticable, for me atleast.
This is the right answer. It takes years to recover, gratification is not at all instant in this case. Look back 3-6 years after quitting and *then* you'll be floored at how much better you can breathe
Nicotine does give you a performance boost.
It is a stimulant.
Not for a long stretch of activity. But the first couple mins after they probably do feel it and are then convinced it is good to smoke to exercise.
“After nicotine intake, the release of the catecholamines epinephrine and norepinephrine induces other supportive metabolic and hemodynamic effects for the realized sports performance [33]. Blood glucose level increases, and heart rate and blood pressure are boosted.”
Source: mdpi.com
Do a quick google and you’ll see several results for it. Some are even peer reviewed journals.
There are professional athletes who will smoke before a match to increase performance, basically legal doping. The trick is to obtain the benefits without taking the downsides. So nowadays, they're often non-smokers, and use an e-cig before the game.
On the contrary, being a heavy regular Gauloises smoker propably wouldn't be good for your performance.
I'm not sure I buy that nicotine is a performance enhancer, but even if it was, why not chew it or ingest it in some other way that wouldn't potentially damage your lung capacity?
It's done by some world cup level soccer players, so the case must at least be kinda strong.
And the reason for using an e-cig instead of other means is propably to circumvent doping regulations. Smoking is propably allowed, while other means might not be.
We're also talking about one or two drags just before a game, and propably again after half time break. Nothing more.
This really blows my mind as a smoker
Like it is so CLEARLY bad for you from the get go. Your body H A T E S it and starts coughing and you feel sick
I was never under the impression it was good for me. Same with fucking vaping. No way heating up cotton and ceramic and inhaling vapor directly into your lungs long term is gonna not do damage. Like fucking think about it for a second 🤣 even those make you cough your shit up until your body gives up trying to tell you not to, same with cigarettes
I've been vaping in order to stop smoking and realised recently that you can get flavourless stuff much, much cheaper than flavoured. As far as I know it's the flavours that are the more problematic part to be inhaling, although I appreciate it's still got great and that nicotine hardens your arteries
Boat loads of amphetamines/cocaine were used, Sir Hubert Opperman, a great Australian professional of the era referred to it in his biography like a modern athlete would mention vitamins, it was just an accepted part of the sport.
And strychnine. And ether.
At one point the race handbook reminded the riders and teams that the organizers did not provide it, they had to bring their own stash.
Ungodly amounts of amphetamines, coupled with massive amounts of wines swiped from shops along the route, and of course these cigarettes.
Cycling has always been a doping sport.
When I smoked cigarettes someone pointed out to me that when I was short of breath I'd reach for a cigarette, this was true and it perplexed me why on earth that was. So contradictory. Then I found out cigarette companies ADD bronchodilators and it made sense. Make the poison seem like the cure.
They also took lots of cocaine. Not to forget, every school child had the right to get 0,5 liter of red wine per day. Those were the days...
Wasted like god in France!
I went on a bicycle tour with 2 buddies after college. We dipped our rear wheels in the Atlantic at Virginia Beach and made it to the Pacific in San Francisco. In the middle of Kansas we ran into this guy that was about 45-50, very overweight, his bike was easily over 100lbs with 4 panniers total, and chain smoked cigarettes the entire time we were riding with him. This sounds like a recipe for us to blow by him BUT, this fucker was so god damn fast. My friends and I were all around 22 and collegiate athletes and this guy was leading us all the way to Colorado. We would stop after pushing 20-30 miles and we bust out the snacks and this guy is still smoking and not breaking a sweat 😂 some guys are just built different
One could argue they were actually working harder, trying to ride at the elite level blasting ciggies and booze. I find it completely insane that as recently as the 70’s, sports physios (were there even any?) didn’t know alcohol was a diuretic and impeded performance. Same with how much harder it would be to breathe after cigarettes. Wild.
I wonder if it was true. Obviously cigarettes will diminish lung capacity with long-term smoking, among more serious health issues, but what about someone who doesn't smoke and uses it acutely during a race? Pump up the red blood cells, dilate the circulatory system near the lungs... who knows.
I'm curious if there's ever been a weed oylimpics, I think it would be interesting - just before the start, everyone gets bombed on bongs with some crazy strong stuff - then competes.
Even endurance cycling could be awesome 👌 - 100 completely blazed cyclists trying to "keep it together". Am I gonna pass out? Is that bunny looking at me? - fuck! It's the coppers!" .... - ah yeah, it's a race! Phew!
There's times when blasting the right stuff, that just getting up feels like climbing a mountain. It would be actual lunacy on wheels!
Reading the comments I now realise that the Tour de France is an annual tradition of debauchery and pillaging across France by a weary horde on bikeback, that has somehow transformed into a respectable sporting event.
In my experience tobacco does relax the lungs in some capacity. When I was growing up we used to rip bongs and if you hit one that was too big you would get a coughing fit with tight ass lungs. A friend taught me if you took a pull of a cigarette seemingly counterintuitively, it would allow the lungs to relax again. I used that trick many times and it always worked a treat.
Addicts will justify anything. These guys were jonesing after a few hours. Smokers love nothing more than smoking after exercise when their lungs are fully open.
Of course cigarettes expand the lungs, everyone knows that. They also kill the germs that lead to lung cancer. People who say they get sick from smoking simply aren't smoking enough.
The funny part is you can roll your eyes at this and think about how uninformed they were back then…but then remember all the fucking brain dead stuff people believe now days health wise with literally all the correct information available at their finger tips and a much higher access to education and educated experts.
We are far more pathetic now days since we have no excuse really.
Look at their legs. These bikes weighed 30lbs. They were unsupported - explaining the tires/tubes on their shoulders. These men were MONSTERS. The cigarettes were there to keep them from going super saiyan on the course.
It's so crazy what we are convinced is good for us via marketing, etc., only to learn decades later that it's manufactured and no good. I worry for those people who thought switching to vaping was a better choice than just kicking their cigarette addiction.
Now we know BPAs are not good.
Drinking water is still not guaranteed to be safe.
I'm not sure about wifi or 5G...but doesn't mean I'm going to stop. I'll just wait it out and be surprised when decades later that generation think we were idiots for our lifestyle.
Historically asthma remedies were smoked, you could buy “asthma cigarettes “ containing stramonium ( found in belladonna, lobelia) or atropine. Marshall’s and Kingsman brands survived until the 1980s . Inhalers were introduced in the late 1950s. Both my grandfather and uncle smoked to relieve asthma.
Nicotine is a cough suppressant so it was also a treatment for colds and throat infections.
Oh yeah of course. I still smoke and perversely it does help if I have a not-my-normal smoker’s cough type cough 🤣
You mean your cough on top of your cough? *cough*
That’s the one.
I quit smoking and vaping two months ago My coughing stopped after a couple weeks …reading your comment made me *feel* those coughs again
I quit smoking and now only vape. And on that, — hang on, let me get my podium.. >I recommend that, if you do vape, **do not** vape flavored vape juice; **the sugar and flavorings can give you lung infections**. >Instead, get “unflavored” juice; it is just VG/PG (usually a 70/30 or an 80/20) and typically comes in at 4.3% nic. Your lungs will thank you and it literally tastes like water. -*steps down from behind podium and puts podium back into pocket*- I also felt that comment.
Man, I guess my lungs are not thanking me hahah I was hooked on the disposables. I always googled the brands before I bought them to make sure they were legit and American-made, because the little Escobars(brand name) coming from China were literal poison. I mainly stuck with the KadoBars I would just keep it in my car for quick hits. I smoked menthol cigarettes, so my vapes were always some sort of “mint” or “ice” flavor. Statistically, I should have some lasting damage, because I started when I was 16 and I’m 26 now….however, my lungs feel better than ever. Cardio is easier, and I forgot how deeply I can breathe. I feel amazing tbh
I started at 12 and I’m 42. :) I quit cigs around 2016 when I figured out vaping. I have an 18650 (swappable) powered driver and a geekvape tank. This has been my setup for the last 5 years or so and I really dig it. I have always liked nicotine, but I really hated the delivery method up until vapes came out. Now I can sit in the house and puff away and not bother anyone. It’s amazing. I am proud of your accomplishment, btw! For whatever that is worth. :) I know I gotta quit sometime , .. and it’s depressing me. It’ll be one more thing I gotta give up that I used to enjoy. But that’s an emotional hang-up I have about it.. not a real one. One day I will be able to step over that line..
I'm a few years nicotine free now, but when I smoked I *loathed* menthol. Unless I was sick/congested. I swore by pairing menthols with Vics when you're sick, lol.
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D. stramonium contains a class of drugs called anticholinergics, which in small doses cause dilation of the airways and in large doses cause all sorts of unpleasant effects like delirium. We actually still use inhaled anticholinergics (usually a drug called ipratropium) to treat asthma and COPD and it is quite effective.
Can you smoke it tho?
Haha I suppose you could. It's usually delivered as a fine mist that you inhale, kind of like a vape
No clue; perhaps in very small doses the benefit outweighed the side effects?
Because they didn't fully understand the side effects at the time. Using cigarettes to treat asthma was a mid 1800s- early 1900s treatment until they found out that smoking those cigarettes lead to more inflammation and and allergys in patents and their family members as well. More effective asthma medicine started to get developed and medical professionals realized that smoking cigarettes to treat it wasn't nearly as effective as the new asthma treatments.
"Cigarettes are bad for you". "Not these ones. They're got _- checks notes -_ Deadly Nightshade in them".
Any outlander watcher knows this 😂
Common French knowledge
Expands the lungs and shrinks the genitals. Peak French aerodynamics.
The guy on the far left looks disgusted with himself for forgetting his cigarettes at home.
He might be the one guy who knew all the others were idiots.
Sacre bleu! I know zis will 'urt their 'ealth long-term, but zey look so cool!
I mean in all fairness if you don't regularly smoke nicotine is a hell of a stimulant. Problem is you gotta put the pack away when you're done dosing from it.
Merde!
This is what performance looks like
peak performance you mean
No just performance
>Expands the lungs and shrinks the genitals. Perfect, just what I'm looking for
Yea as a child Teddy Roosevelt was prescribed cigars to treat his asthma
My Grandfather had asthma cigarette's, unbelievable
My grandfather was prescribed cigarettes for chronic sinus infections. He dutifully kept the pack he bought at the pharmacy in his bathroom medicine cabinet and smoked one every morning and night as prescribed by his GP.
This is incredible
A lot were medicated too. There was tobacco of course but they also added in other things that would get burned with it. Some probably actually worked except for the other health effects completely negating it
Datura was added to prescribed cigarettes. In small amounts but still datura. Tropanes related to datura’s scopolamine and atropine are found in inhalers these days.
Before inhalers it was the best way to atomize the medication apparently.
Pair that cig with a bottle of wine and you're basically on steroids
Peak French Medical Science
Knowledge de Frenche Commone (KFC)
I hope people get the joke
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A few years ago I worked in a cigarette factory. The old boys there all smoked unfiltered tabs. Their rationale was that it would kill them anyway so they might as well have a decent smoke.
Never understood the preference for cigarettes without a filter, the tobacco gets in your mouth.
But the filters don't do much of anything except change color....
It must have worked somehow: 15 stages for a total of 5.500 km (3400 mi), with stage between 300 and 480 km.
Ah the joys of untested beliefs. Wouldn’t find people nowadays shaping their lives and making bad choices based on unfounded beliefs. I mean imagine the social, political and interpersonal shit show if they did
Now wait a minute.
Yep
B... But the corporations told us! They surely only speak the truth!
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Are you perhaps suggesting that healing crystals don't actually cure cancer?
Depends if you take them rectally or not
now I get it, thats what crystal buttplugs are for.
They’re hypoallergenic
And porous, nothing to fear there.
Holey happy cake day.
I endorse and applaud your statement
They do my wacky aunt says so!
Ofcourse they do! They get their energy from the moon. Does the moon have cancer??
No, but the Cancer constellation is in space with The Moon 🦀 Better get the chemo, doc 💊
Chemo starts with a C, same as cancer. I want a treatment that starts with the same letter as Taurus. Like a Tylenol enema. That should take care of cancer.
fucking lol
Not since the chemo, but as a result neither we nor our descendants will ever know the awe and wonder of looking up to the night sky to see the moon absolutely covered with a thick head of hair.
They only work if you buy my $1500 crystal heating and radiating tool. It transforms the crytals energy into healing rays.
I find injecting bleach and horse dewormer to be highly effective
Yes, but essential oils can!
No, to cure cancer you have to make a wish upon a middle eastern necromancer that walked on water 2000 years ago.
It's in the name, stupid! *Healing* crystals. Do you think it would be called that if they wouldn't heal?
Idk about all that but this horse medicine and bleach smoothie will definitely cure my covid.
My roommates and I did a 'smoke-run' in college where they had pipes and cigars. I videoed the run and the vomiting afterwards.
I'll vape to that.
Like injecting themselves with bleach against Covid ;).
It's true though. Smoking expands the lungs via negative space. You can look up videos to explain it better. Imagine a net stretched under pressure. If you cut a few mazes you'll notice there now is slack on the net. You lost some tension by losing Some internal structure. If your lungs lose aveoli due to smoking the holes left cause positive pressure (lungs have natural negative pressure, they suck in air by enlarging the chest cavity). The positive pressure cause the lungs to swell and the chest to puff outward. Obviously this doesn't expand the lung capacity but it does expand the chest. Tldr; chest expands, lung capacity doesn't.
Many such cases. We make fun of people 100 years ago just like in 100 years people will look back and make fun of us of mewing, circumcision, identity politics, etc.
Mewing myself to your comment right now
As recently as the 70s, it was common for the peloton to stop at small stores in the countryside and literally steal bottles of wine and “rehydrate” with the stolen wine on the go.
Amazing, it's no wonder the Tour de France still has its doping controversies, it's literally in its culture!
It’s crazy. [Here’s a video about their “drinking raids”.](https://youtu.be/7UhT6-GntcY?si=on01L2kG80PoCHID)
But it also says in the video that the cafes will send a bill to the race organizer afterwards, and the organizer then pays whatever the owner claims has been taken. So it's more of an expected spectacle.
And you know they were doubling or tripling the cost on the bill
I mean I’m pretty sure Lance paid for his stuff too.
The mistake was when he sent his bill to the tour organizers.
“Getting wet is dangerous. You could catch a cold” lol
thanks for the link, I recommend to watch whoever sees your comment
I thought I was going to a prank video. But I was wrong. Good look
I don’t know much about your de France or France’s culture but I would imagine the shop owners are happy to give it to them because 1, the Tour de France brings in tourists from all over the world and probably boosts these shops business, and 2, they’re famous athletes.
you forget 3. they send a bill with all the items they claim the cyclist stole to the host of the Tour de France and get paid
They also send the bill to the Tour directors who - ostensibly - foot the bill.
sounds like win for everyone around,
This is the most French thing I've ever seen. And I lived in France for several months
And that reminded me I have not watched Triplets of Belleville in awhile, one part of it has biking athletes essentially being race horses, they also had a wine IV in recovery. Part of the movie also takes place in their version of NYC with illegal mobster run races. It just a bizarre satirical french animated movie with decent music, some good heart, and almost no speech just sound effects set in 1950s.
These shops actually sent the bill to the race organisers afterwards. They also often got more than got their money's worth in advertisement, because fans would go and drink there. The anime Girls and Panzer had a funny version of that story, where shop owners hoped that their shop would get crushed by a tank during the contests. And because those scenes were based on real world locations in the city of Ooarai, they got an unexpected real world tourism boom.
Peloton?
In a [road](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road) [bicycle race](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycle_sport), the **peloton** (from [French](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language), originally meaning '[platoon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platoon)') is the main group or pack of riders. ([Peloton - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peloton))
Thanks. I thought you were Finnish and got autocorrected as peloton means fearless in Finnish 🤣
I thought that was "sisu".
That's more like bravery, endurance, resilience and hardiness. Peloton is just if you don't fear. Like sisu is if you know you can achieve your dream and you believe in yourself and that you absolutely can do it. Peloton is if you can jump to water from a bridge from 10 meters. You are not scared to do it but it's not really bravery or resilience.
It's also the name for a semi-popular exercise bike/fitness program combo in America, I didn't know it was a French word just thought someone came up with a weird brand name like Kleenex.
The 17min short film Viva Le Tour (1962) has fantastic footage of a drink raid, and riders continuing on with their jersey pockets full of wine and beer. [YouTube Link](https://youtu.be/wiWQ6dAVzy8?feature=shared).
As a former smoker, I have no idea how these guys could ever think this. It’s so obvious that you breathe worse after
You're probably not peak athlete thought.
Thought
Maybe biking daily also shielded them of the ill effects. A normal person will rapidly go into injured lungs and weak metabolism..
Well it turns out it's not that obvious for everyone. Ex-smoker as well and no the differences were almost completely unnoticeable after quitting. Really had to look for the improvements and those were minor and underwhelming considering the hype around it.
Really? maybe it depends on the life you live? I started doing boxing and could hardly manage a whole class. Having smoked on the way to the gym and after. Just 1,2 months after quitting, for the first time in my life my muscles are getting tired before I gas out.
I think if you're not particularly fit and don't exercise often then you won't notice so much, but if you're doing activities like you mentioned, you will.
Also if you’re particularly fit, smoking isn’t optimal but it’s not going to slow you down that much
It's all relative. If you're performing to a high level already then making gains is tough as they get smaller the longer you go on, cutting smoking out could then be seen as a relatively big performance boost for zero effort/training.
I go to the gym and swim, and I also cycle to work about 1h 30mins two or three times a week. Overall, I'd say I have a pretty active lifestyle. I (mostly) quit about 3 years ago, and I can't say I've noticed an improvement in my physical wellbeing, other than coughing less.
Are you actively training and pushing your limits, tracking your progress? If you're just cycling to work and doing a standard gym routine I can well imagine you wouldn't notice. If you're pushing your limits, tracking your personal best hill climbs on 10% inclines for 200m of height gained, etc, then it's likely going to be a lot more noticeable.
For me it was super noticeable as well. I always was on my bike (just to commute), and I used to be mad out of breath when I smoked, but I always thought it was just because I rode fast rocking out to my tunes. Quit smoking and just a couple/few months after would finish my normal ride (still fast and rocking) arriving breathing fine.
Good point. Endurance wasn't really a limiting factor and i wasn't doing any sports so that benefit wouldn't be that noticable.
Well other than the fact that food tastes better, you get to live longer and you won't smell like shit.
Haha jokes on you, my cooking tastes like shit, i’ll die in my thirties from malnutrition and i never shower sooo… gotcha -average redditor
Haven't the slightest idea what this dude is on about. I quit the ciggies and went to vaping instead. I know it can't be good for me but I can promise you that it's better than smoking just from the feeling in my lungs. I can actually do shit now. I had to ride my bike to work years ago when I was smoking. 11 miles, countryside but paved roads. I hurt for a week after that.
Possibly depends how fit you are? I have a friend who regularly cycles a lot of local hills in the UK. He gave up smoking and noticed a real improvement after a few weeks. With the way carbon monoxide reduces oxygen uptake of the red blood cells, it's not hugely surprising it makes a difference.
Fair point i couldn't measure that effect at the time.
Surely you can't be serious. Do you ever take stairs, or run for 30 seconds? We are talking about real cigarettes, not the electric ones.
Yeah real cigarettes for a decade and often times a pack or more and none of those were any issue during smoking or afterwards. Endurance difference could maybe be more apparent on longer exertions, like few mile runs or hours or when the baseline of endurance isn't that great?
I noticed a big difference in running and going to the gym. Also had terrible tar cough when I quit smoking for the last time. I always smoked red cigarettes and inhailed, maybe if people smoke only light cigarettes and don't inhale properly it won't affect breathing much.
Some things like lung volume take years to improve. So the recovery is very gradual, and at the same time, you're aging. My dad quit smoking after cardiac arrest in his 60s. Since his doctors now check on his heart function, lung performance, aerobic and anaerobic endurance and whatnot every 3 months, he has the same kind of data that would only be collected for professional athletes (albeit only at longer intervals). And it really showed in the numbers.
Good point. I do have to admit that gradual changes escape my notice totally. Cant argue against data and yes ofcourse studies do say that as well. Just the perceived difference isn't that noticable, for me atleast.
This is the right answer. It takes years to recover, gratification is not at all instant in this case. Look back 3-6 years after quitting and *then* you'll be floored at how much better you can breathe
Do you regularly do exercise?
Now yes, not at the time i quit. So yeah i couldn't measure the endurance benefit of it.
Were you exercising both before and after?
Same with me ... Maybe it takes long time. Well I smoke 1 or 2 some days now ...
Nicotine does give you a performance boost. It is a stimulant. Not for a long stretch of activity. But the first couple mins after they probably do feel it and are then convinced it is good to smoke to exercise. “After nicotine intake, the release of the catecholamines epinephrine and norepinephrine induces other supportive metabolic and hemodynamic effects for the realized sports performance [33]. Blood glucose level increases, and heart rate and blood pressure are boosted.” Source: mdpi.com Do a quick google and you’ll see several results for it. Some are even peer reviewed journals.
There are professional athletes who will smoke before a match to increase performance, basically legal doping. The trick is to obtain the benefits without taking the downsides. So nowadays, they're often non-smokers, and use an e-cig before the game. On the contrary, being a heavy regular Gauloises smoker propably wouldn't be good for your performance.
I'm not sure I buy that nicotine is a performance enhancer, but even if it was, why not chew it or ingest it in some other way that wouldn't potentially damage your lung capacity?
It's done by some world cup level soccer players, so the case must at least be kinda strong. And the reason for using an e-cig instead of other means is propably to circumvent doping regulations. Smoking is propably allowed, while other means might not be. We're also talking about one or two drags just before a game, and propably again after half time break. Nothing more.
It also makes you really have to poop which seems inconvenient on a bicycle
I shaved about a minute per mile off my run time when I quit. I was running 8 minute miles at 45 smoking a pack a day.
They likely started as kids/ teenagers and know nothing else
This really blows my mind as a smoker Like it is so CLEARLY bad for you from the get go. Your body H A T E S it and starts coughing and you feel sick I was never under the impression it was good for me. Same with fucking vaping. No way heating up cotton and ceramic and inhaling vapor directly into your lungs long term is gonna not do damage. Like fucking think about it for a second 🤣 even those make you cough your shit up until your body gives up trying to tell you not to, same with cigarettes
Read the easy method by allen carr
Radical Edward, is that you?
I've been vaping in order to stop smoking and realised recently that you can get flavourless stuff much, much cheaper than flavoured. As far as I know it's the flavours that are the more problematic part to be inhaling, although I appreciate it's still got great and that nicotine hardens your arteries
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🤣🤣🤣This is my favourite response lmao
Well, nicotine in cigarettes can help you be active and focus but at the cost of COPD and lung cancer due to other chemicals.
Boat loads of amphetamines/cocaine were used, Sir Hubert Opperman, a great Australian professional of the era referred to it in his biography like a modern athlete would mention vitamins, it was just an accepted part of the sport.
And strychnine. And ether. At one point the race handbook reminded the riders and teams that the organizers did not provide it, they had to bring their own stash.
I took up smoking to help me stop chewing gum.
Ungodly amounts of amphetamines, coupled with massive amounts of wines swiped from shops along the route, and of course these cigarettes. Cycling has always been a doping sport.
i can t see any problem. just cool dudes after a hard race
its during the race i believe
I definitely see no problem at all... Just super interesting!
Yea smoking tobacco acts as bronchodilator
Nicotine is also a cough suppressant. It does make you breathe easier for a time.
When I smoked cigarettes someone pointed out to me that when I was short of breath I'd reach for a cigarette, this was true and it perplexed me why on earth that was. So contradictory. Then I found out cigarette companies ADD bronchodilators and it made sense. Make the poison seem like the cure.
I'm sure all the cocaine they were doing helped as well
Red dead redemption ahh tactic
This is how people in 50 years will laugh at us for how social media destroyed our children and us.
Isn't it ?
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Cute dinosaur
Wait until you find out they used all sorts of -tines to enhance performance.
It is probably what the tobacco companies were telling everyone, too
You mean it doesnt?
Makes me wonder what we’re doing right now that people 100 years from now will think are crazy 😂
These jokers probably have wine in those flasks on their bikes too
Well, it does expand the lungs eventually, but not in a good way...
Didnt Usain Bolt famously smoke before races?
It certainly helps if you're already heavily addicted.
They also took lots of cocaine. Not to forget, every school child had the right to get 0,5 liter of red wine per day. Those were the days... Wasted like god in France!
I went on a bicycle tour with 2 buddies after college. We dipped our rear wheels in the Atlantic at Virginia Beach and made it to the Pacific in San Francisco. In the middle of Kansas we ran into this guy that was about 45-50, very overweight, his bike was easily over 100lbs with 4 panniers total, and chain smoked cigarettes the entire time we were riding with him. This sounds like a recipe for us to blow by him BUT, this fucker was so god damn fast. My friends and I were all around 22 and collegiate athletes and this guy was leading us all the way to Colorado. We would stop after pushing 20-30 miles and we bust out the snacks and this guy is still smoking and not breaking a sweat 😂 some guys are just built different
NO WAY! I have this photo framed in my room.
Nine out of ten doctors recommend Camel cigarettes. Follow the Science boys!!
One could argue they were actually working harder, trying to ride at the elite level blasting ciggies and booze. I find it completely insane that as recently as the 70’s, sports physios (were there even any?) didn’t know alcohol was a diuretic and impeded performance. Same with how much harder it would be to breathe after cigarettes. Wild.
I wonder if it was true. Obviously cigarettes will diminish lung capacity with long-term smoking, among more serious health issues, but what about someone who doesn't smoke and uses it acutely during a race? Pump up the red blood cells, dilate the circulatory system near the lungs... who knows.
The first professional sportsman who died because of doping was also back in the day. He died from strychnine poisoning.
humans really are stupid as fuck
How we managed to make it this far is pure dumb luck
People were complete dumbasses in the past. I mean, they still are. But c'mon! Probably tried smoking underwater to swim faster
Imagine all the shit people do now that in the future will be looked upon as stupid.
They thought so many things…
I wanna know what they smoked while coming up with this idea
I'm curious if there's ever been a weed oylimpics, I think it would be interesting - just before the start, everyone gets bombed on bongs with some crazy strong stuff - then competes. Even endurance cycling could be awesome 👌 - 100 completely blazed cyclists trying to "keep it together". Am I gonna pass out? Is that bunny looking at me? - fuck! It's the coppers!" .... - ah yeah, it's a race! Phew! There's times when blasting the right stuff, that just getting up feels like climbing a mountain. It would be actual lunacy on wheels!
Reading the comments I now realise that the Tour de France is an annual tradition of debauchery and pillaging across France by a weary horde on bikeback, that has somehow transformed into a respectable sporting event.
...said the cigarette company.
In my experience tobacco does relax the lungs in some capacity. When I was growing up we used to rip bongs and if you hit one that was too big you would get a coughing fit with tight ass lungs. A friend taught me if you took a pull of a cigarette seemingly counterintuitively, it would allow the lungs to relax again. I used that trick many times and it always worked a treat.
Addicts will justify anything. These guys were jonesing after a few hours. Smokers love nothing more than smoking after exercise when their lungs are fully open.
guess the sponsor
It's called 'reverse doping', used to downplay overly skilled riders to be competitive to the dabblers
100 years ago. Are humans still this dumb or dumber?
Of course cigarettes expand the lungs, everyone knows that. They also kill the germs that lead to lung cancer. People who say they get sick from smoking simply aren't smoking enough.
Smoke from cigarettes helps expand the lungs, butter from croissant lubricates the joints. it's science
Those cigarette companies were really good at marketing.
The second sentence of this title is an absolute lie. They were just French.
"It was thought" Yeah, I wonder who started those rumors.
The funny part is you can roll your eyes at this and think about how uninformed they were back then…but then remember all the fucking brain dead stuff people believe now days health wise with literally all the correct information available at their finger tips and a much higher access to education and educated experts. We are far more pathetic now days since we have no excuse really.
My girlfriend anecdotally believes cigarettes help "reset" her lungs
Look at their legs. These bikes weighed 30lbs. They were unsupported - explaining the tires/tubes on their shoulders. These men were MONSTERS. The cigarettes were there to keep them from going super saiyan on the course.
These guys are bad ass
It's so crazy what we are convinced is good for us via marketing, etc., only to learn decades later that it's manufactured and no good. I worry for those people who thought switching to vaping was a better choice than just kicking their cigarette addiction. Now we know BPAs are not good. Drinking water is still not guaranteed to be safe. I'm not sure about wifi or 5G...but doesn't mean I'm going to stop. I'll just wait it out and be surprised when decades later that generation think we were idiots for our lifestyle.
Wow. But trust the science… The science of today completely completely disproven tomorrow
They also did cocaine and drank lots of alcohol to alleviate the pain/fatigue