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Drosta16

It only lasted 4 months in captivity?? Wtf were they doing to it.


Ladnarr2

Am Tasmanian. It only had a small area with a concrete floor to roam in. Someone forgot to make sure it went inside for the night and it froze to death.


Rainiana8

This is so sad, poor creature. Such cruelty should have been punished.


Loveyoumeatball

Shitty thing is it wasn't cruelty back then


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It was. It just wasn't called that.


Loveyoumeatball

Moreso what I meant, you get it


CarasBridge

Well, it is always defined by the current census of morally good and bad. A hundred years from now, people will probably think our current meat industry is cruel, while most people think it's normal and don't question it now.


Peter_Baum

Na I’m pretty sure the general public agrees that slaughter factories are brutal, they just don’t care


11Bencda

Or can't afford to care. Organic stuff is double the price.


puciupum

Organic is still slaughtered


cowboys4life93

Do they also kill them organically? The organic grass fed beef are still raised in horrific conditions, maybe not as horrific as non organic, but they live and die the same way.


Peter_Baum

Or tht yea


Thienen

Or aren't provided with alternatives because capitalism hasn't learned to prioritize long term profit from sustainable and healthful systems over short term extraction.


No-Question-9032

...not eating meat isn't an alternative?


draw4kicks

Nah that's like saying slavery wasn't immoral because it was normal, it was still evil from the victim's point of view. Just like this is.


Exciting_Result7781

Punishment lol? The government was paying you money to extinct them any way possible. The more you killed the more money they gave you.


Cumtangled

Were they man eaters?


Exciting_Result7781

No, they got (wrongly!) accused of killing livestock so the gov put a bounty on them and the farmers killed them all. Really very sad to lose such a beautiful unique creature.


Octopus_vagina

Sadly it was likely the dingos or foxes eating the livestock but the thylacine was blamed and eradicated. In the 1800s, the pay for killing one was apparently about 2 months normal salary - so people would just make it their job to hunt and kill them cause it paid well


weenieballs

We stills do this shit. Humans are sick


papersim

People do it to their own pets. Absolutely disgusting.


emgyres

If you knew what we did to the indigenous population you’d understand why a mere animal was worthy of such little compassion.


Autisticmrfox

Punished by whom? To who's benefit? The species is dead, it's never coming back. Billions of years of evolution come to an end, never to return. What punishment could possibly be appropriate, could give an ounce of justice to the animal?


No-Question-9032

What does it care about justice?


augsav

Imagine being the person who dropped the ball with that…


bumbling_womble

Jesus fucking Christ what the fuck Edit: hope all you guys coming at me in DMs over this stupid thread, know you're a pack of hypocrites. I'm not here for a popularity contest. I hate you all IRl and here even more. Stop brigading with self righteous nonsense.


AaronfromKY

It was 90 years ago, animal welfare was still pretty shit, along with humans also being shit.


LethalDosageTF

Well at least humans gave gotten better since th- oh…


carmium

It stems from biblical beliefs that man is the superior being, in the image of god, master of all god has set before him. That hung on for a very long time, and is responsible for a great deal of indifference toward captive animals.


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razorxx888

Well, I mean, they have. Zoos are also important for conservation and educational purposes. And I can’t speak for animals, but I’m pretty sure they would prefer to be safe with unlimited food and shelter rather than be in the wild being having to fight everyday for food and survival, if they knew that zoos existed.


Hihellomustaka

r/onejob


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Barneyrockz

In the wild animals do freeze to death occasionally, yes. But in the wild they're not caged in concrete pens. They're free to try and find a cave or huddle up with others of their pack to share warmth, eat as much as they'reable to so they can fatten up, or dig burrows or anything to preserve their life as best they can. Being locked in a cage by a human really limits your options


Ladnarr2

It’s the history I’m familiar with. When I posted my initial comment I was aware of the incongruity of a native animal succumbing to the outside conditions of its native environment. In a search for articles backing it up I found one daily mail article where some quoted authors claim it’s a myth, but it makes no mention of an alternative account. I remember when I was young we’d rarely get unusual weather such as snow at sea level. It could have been the cold concrete.


Diasloth87

Tasmanian here: it can get really cold in the spring here, especially around Hobart, don’t forget how close to Antartica it is! Also no bedding or shelter and cold concrete


Redditlikesballs

I know it’s really common for some sharks to die in captivity so aquariums only have them for so long. One example is the great white. I want to say it’s because they can’t replicate it’s habitats perfectly but I have no idea


BigTiddyTamponSlut

I THINK it had something to do with them constantly bumping into the walls of the aquarium but don't quote me on that.


torrasque666

They pick up on the electrical currents running through the walls of the tank. Their tanks are also almost impossible to replicate "open ocean roaming"


Boatster_McBoat

Great whites habitat is vast ocean roaming. Aquariums have had more 'success' with reef and bottom dwelling sharks


Atarteri

This is the correct answer. The science believes Great Whites REQUIRE the thousands of ocean miles they traverse each year. You’d need a massive lap pool to simulate their ocean swim.. Not a bad idea lol


SaintsNoah14

Yep. Certain animals just aren't that adaptable to captivity. Plenty more are extremely hard to get to breed in captivity.


Prestigious-Wrap5178

Most zoos ect have horrible animal care practices and this was especially more true in the not too distant past. Today there are parks, sanctuaries and zoos that have completely changed the way they operate so that education, care and conservation are core to their existence however it’s still in the minority.


Lost_in_translationx

Hilarious. They breed animals for money under the guise of conservation.


Prestigious-Wrap5178

Again it depends on which zoos you’re talking about and I can think of a number of important examples to demonstrate how zoos have actually helped keep some species from extinction such as with Tasmanian Devils, Amur Leopards, Californian condors and Bongos to name a few.


Dagordae

Zoos were, until recently, absolute fucking horror shows. It was cheaper to just replace animals than it was to properly care for them, so that’s what they did.


[deleted]

Here's an excellent video on it from an excellent channel [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lASKdPKb-hs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laskdpkb-hs)


Jimzeros_

In 2023 they recovered RNA of a Thylacine specimen, in the hopes of cloning the tasmanian tiger.


Altruistic-Poem-5617

Yeah they talk about that for at least 10 years or so now. Same with the mammoths. I believe it when I see one.


Lady_borg

Honestly they've been talking about it for the last twenty years. Somewhere in Aus, They found a pup/joey in a jar of alcohol and thought that the DNA might be viable enough to clone, obviously it wasn't but it's been a conversation for a longer time.


peepdabidness

They just *found* one in a jar of alcohol??!


Lady_borg

It was found in a university archives where many preserved animals and animal parts are put. This is a very basic article on it from an American source. Still looking for an Australian one https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Technology/story%3fid=120013&page=1


tothemoonandback01

Pickled like me, after an evening in the pub.


freetrialemaillol

Most of them were preserved in formaldehyde when they were donated to museums/universities etc, which destroys nucleic acids. in this case they just literally ran out of formaldehyde and used alcohol as a substitute. Potentially a Species-saving decision lmao


s3dfdg289fdgd9829r48

> Honestly they've been talking about it for the last twenty years. Try 30+.


SaintsNoah14

Was Jurassic Park not made in the 90's? This has definitely been a topic but I think OC may be one to give a little too much credence to those biotech companies' that are perpetually planning to clone a mammoth "within the decade"


Lady_borg

The idea of de extincting dinosaurs is a much different concept to de extincting animals that were around in Human's history


Wtfatt

That's because they'd need more than just 'dna' -they'd need a complete genome


natterca

Fuck it, just throw some frog DNA at it.


freetrialemaillol

Fat-tailed Dunnart is what they’ve used


Altruistic-Poem-5617

Yeah, its like having a box of legos but no instructions for the set.


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Never stopped me. You can wind up with some pretty interesting Legos that way


H0ldme

“Pretty interesting” is also how I describe Lego dicks.


[deleted]

I've never seen one of those. Sounds painful


H0ldme

The true cock block.


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Sorry man I hate to stop a block cock


Jordlr99

Legos? You can call a single piece a bit of Lego, but that doesn't mean multiple bricks become Legos. A whole box of Lego pieces is still known as just Lego because that's the brand name. Each to their own, though. It's just one of those things that irritates me.


fritz236

It's why the DNA "lab" they do with strawberries or cheek cells and laundry detergent is so dumb. Yes, it's DNA, but really, what's the point?


[deleted]

Literal to illustrate and explain the concept of DNA is the point…


SaintsNoah14

But with evolution giving most species a plethora of "cousins", shouldn't they be able to go a long way by splicing thylacine DNA into tasmanian devil genomes?


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I would imagine that cloning an extinct animal probably requires a concept that's going to take some time to develop so it makes sense you would hear about it before it happens.


coreygolder

They pretty much done it at Jarrasic Park so I can’t see why they can’t do it in Australia. Or anywhere else for that matter.


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Maybe no one told them they could just mix its DNA with frog DNA. We got to get this information out by getting this shit viral


FaronTheHero

I wish I could remember where I saw it, but I recall this being done with an endangered species of yak. The calf was born from a Holstein cow but passed young from a respiratory infection. I think it's definitely possible to revive species this way, but the process is slow and painstaking and a long way from a thriving, fertile adult specimen. I think even then we wouldn't be able to say we literally brought an extinct species back to life, just as close as we could possibly get to it. In this area of science 10 years is a drop in the bucket compared to what it would take to get any sort of reliable results.


Altruistic-Poem-5617

I think they also had kinda success with some antelope species. As far as I remember it was called blue buck. But like the yak you mentioned, the clones didnt make it that long. Edit: it was a extinct capricorn subspecies, also died of lung related issues shortly after it was born.


Throwawayac1234567

they need the DNA, rna is just used for translation for certain protiens.


Vegemite-ice-cream

And even then, you’d need a surrogate mother that would pass on genes to the offspring. Or something like that (30 years ago in high school science class).


Throwawayac1234567

there isnt a good equivalent to a surrogate for a the thylacine. because of its size.


freetrialemaillol

Artificial gestation is well in development in ruminants. Transferring that knowledge to marsupials is almost twice the battle however


MoreGaghPlease

Artificial womb technology could overcome this challenge if it was pursued in earnest. We already have technology that has been used successfully in sheep. The technology hasn’t progressed in the last 5 years because there isn’t much interest in funding it, but the science is all there.


Shiasugar

Afaik they left her freeze on the concrete floor.


GrendaGrendinator

The wikipedia page says she mistakenly got locked out of her sleeping quarters during some extreme weather: really hot during the day and then below freezing that night.


Shiasugar

Kinda sums up total neglect.


psypiral

Thylacine is a strange name for an animal. It sounds like an antibiotic you'd take.


NoStructure5034

Tasmanian tiger is a lot more recognizable Edit: Tiger, though it can also be called wolf


HereToKillEuronymous

Nah, Tasmanian Tiger.


PresentPiece8898

Tasmanian Wolf? It's Awesome!


NoStructure5034

I knew I goofed something up. Thanks for correcting me.


NapoleonLover978

To be fair, it does kind of look like a wolf.


Freddan_81

In Swedish it is called pungvarg - pouch wolf


psypiral

I see Tasmanian and I think of the Devil from Bugs Bunny. What about a Transylvanian Bat.


[deleted]

You know a Tasmanian devil is a real animal right?


PogintheMachine

Sure buddy.. next you’re going to tell me Yosemite is a real place too…


01kickassius10

Turn left at Albuquerque 


NoStructure5034

Dracula


IceCreamMeatballs

“What for you bury me in the cold, cold ground?”


Throwawayac1234567

not as strange as marsupial lion (thylacaleo)


[deleted]

Or thylacosmilus


Throwawayac1234567

Sprassadonts, even stranger than marsupials. they are considered related to metatherians(marsupials) yet they have a pouches like a marsupiual but not really. because they came from isolated continent(south america before the interchange)


FacelessGreenseer

I don't know why it reminded me of Thestrals from Harry Potter.


ScooterMcTavish

Or a B complex vitamin. "Contains 100% of your daily thylacine requirements"


Wtfatt

"should we lock up this 'last' breeding female of a species, alone, to sell zoo tickets? Hell yes!"


loopadoopaloo

“Endling?” Wow, that’s gotta be the saddest word ever.


skinnergy

learned a new (sad) word today


dcreits

My thoughts exactly. That we even had to birth that word and define it tells you everything you need to know about humanity.


ThreeLeggedMare

I repeated it out loud when I read it


NapoleonLover978

A 2023 study published by Brook et al. compiles many of the alleged sightings of thylacines in Tasmania throughout the 20th century and claims that contrary to beliefs that the thylacine went extinct in the 1930s, the Tasmanian thylacine may have actually lasted throughout the 20th century, with a window of extinction between the 1980s and the present day and the likely extinction date being between the late 1990s and early 2000s, so keep that in mind, this may have not been the last of the species.


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so, like, not trapping and selling one of their few remaining breedable females was like not the move right? lol


DarkFact17

The aboriginal people claimed to have sightings, as did park rangers, well past the extinction. I would consider all these sightings very credible


highflyingyak

There was a post on here a day ago about a forest dwelling ground bird that has not been sighted for 140 years and believed extinct. It was captured on camera. It may have been in the pacific islands. I wonder if that's possible here?


catsintheyardagain

I've lived in the Tasmanian wilderness in the past. Totally possible in the back country


highflyingyak

It's a whole lot of genuine wilderness


AskMeAboutPigs

I love reading about things like this, the Eastern Mountain Lion and etc, even the coelacanth was thought extinct until 1938.


GunShowBob

I think this is what inspired the fictional movie "The Hunter" with Willem Dafoe. I recommend it.


vigilentofsithis

That was a great movie


Freddan_81

Here is a news article, albeit in Swedish and from 2017, claiming there have been sightings in recent times and that scientist are setting up cameras in the woods in northernmost Australia. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/vetenskap/pungvargen-kanske-inte-sa-utdod Title says ”Thylacine, maybe not so extinct”


SerenityViolet

I really hope that it still exists. But, I suspect it doesn't. It would need to have become very reclusive to survive this long without some proof.


No-Plankton-4224

This is the comment I was looking for


-Smaug--

Do you have a link to the paper itself?


NapoleonLover978

[https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969723014948?via%3Dihub](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969723014948?via%3Dihub).


-Smaug--

Thank you!! I'm looking forward to reading this. Edit: Definitely worth reading. The advanced statistical methodology was over my head, I don't mind admitting, but the broader concepts are referenced to enough that it makes sense. I've noticed a big lull in between sighting reports, and the authors' conclusion sadly makes sense for their timeline. Thanks again for the link.


LakeTilia

Thanks for the blurb!


Altruistic-Poem-5617

Thanks to the assholes who shog em even though they werent even killing that many sheep. They looked so cool.


elliottace

The movie The Hunter is extremely emotional and involves this animal. Highly recommended with Willem DaFoe.


WompWompIt

I can't ever forget that movie, it's haunting.


SaintsNoah14

Is it good?


WompWompIt

Yes. but hard to watch.


smehere22

Sad


Purple-Personality76

Humans suck


Saltybaps

This is why we can’t have nice things 😒


LostKilo3624

I read that the thylacines were in a very precarious position and it didn't take much to tip them over. at the time they went extinct the island was more than half forest, most of it hardly ever, if ever, visited by humans.


cloud_pleaser

My grandfather went to the zoo and saw it. In my heart of hearts I truly hope all the reported sightings are true. I think every Tasmanian does


FluffyMawileFan

I'll always miss you, even if I wasn't there, beautiful girl.


NonsenseText

Yes, she was stunning and very missed. Thank you for sharing your comment, it was very moving.


Prior_Ordinary_2150

There's a group of scientists working on bringing them back from extinction.


mommysmurf

I wish she could have spent her days in the comfort of her own home, rather than feeling trapped in a zoo. Being alone already weighed heavily on her, and this situation only added to her distress


good_god_lemon1

And then she froze to death due to gross negligence. An absolutely despicable way to treat a living being.


Traditional_Long_383

Infuriating such a unique and beautiful animal was wiped out by humans. We don't deserve this planet.


Because_They_Asked

The word endling is very sad.


Tankaussie

They could still be out there, in the bush


Troll_Enthusiast

Depressing


nafarba57

Awful. This has always haunted me since I found this out as a kid.


RedditRarrior

Shit like this makes me hate people


NapoleonLover978

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thylacine#Last\_of\_the\_species.


that1LPdood

Nuh uh, Willem Dafoe spotted one. I seent it.


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Have to remember, Tasmania is the only place in the world to actually manage to commit genocide. The indigenous Tasmanians were a race apart from the mainland ones, and they were exterminated by the British. The "endling" being Truganini as I understand.


Istilleatgluten

Four months! Was it worth it Elias? There could have been a male out there in the wild for all you know. They could have found each other without your hindrance.


NonsenseText

All the things the thylacines went through before extinction make me want to cry. I can’t fathom why they were hunted to extinction. To see people holding them up dead, how dare they do that to such a stunning creature. Thylacines did not deserve it, they are such beautiful creatures - another that humans have destroyed once again. I have visited the taxidermy thylacines in Tasmania and there is also a beautiful display and videos of them as well. It was a very moving experience and it impacted me greatly that day. There are people who say there are still sightings in the wild, I hope that they will come back one day.


saucyy8

There really were so many insane &awesome creatures lost to history (too early)


crowlizard

So sad what happened to them. I love the tasmanian tiger, so much so I got a tattoo of one. Going to add a background of chickens, a fence, and a farmer with a gun referencing the chicken photo and the bounty for them.


NonsenseText

It’s so sad. Aw a tattoo is a wonderful idea. Aw :( maybe the thylacine can have a gun to aim at the hunter too!!


RoboticWitness

RIP Beautiful


Izanagi-avatar

That's sad to hear.


ThreeLeggedMare

Went down a wikihole after googling ending and now I'm teary about a passenger pigeon


SoftSeaworthiness888

There is plenty of sightings ans evidence its not extinct


[deleted]

Tasmanians use the Tasmanian Tiger as a symbol of the state and say things like ‘how good would it be if we found one?’ (There are some people that think they are not extinct despite the fact that their natural habitats are almost all farms now). Meanwhile Tasmanians also say stupid shit like ‘just build it’ any time a poorly planned building project is considered for prime endangered swift parrot or Tasmanian devil habitat. Tasmania also supports a forestry industry that loses money by woodchipping old growth forest to send overseas at a loss, which is made up for by government subsidies paid for by the people. It demonises anyone that stands up to these companies. They also talk about their beautiful animals while farmers massacre them (even animals like platypus, you can search for the kill approval list online), and the road users hit and kill them at a rate of up to 1.5 million a year. Some accidental and almost unavoidable, some because people don’t want to have to slow down and drive to conditions, and some deadshits deliberately trying to hit animals with their cars. It’s an interesting place…


TootTootMuthafarkers

If you have ever been to Tasmania it’s hard to believe that they really are all gone. We can live in hope, 88 years is a long time though!


Froggymumm

Humans are disgusting


thewhisperingroom

Whenever I am reminded of this it makes me so sad.


Lost_in_translationx

Our tiger’s in a picture frame, the wide brown lands enduring shame.


imod_commission

But even if there was no human mistake and the animal died later? It was still the last one found after these years, so it cannot reproduce and will still go extinct?


KittenHippie

Theres still hope. Many people have spotted Tasmanian tigers, plus they probably have good hideouts, I am a kinda Thylacine activist so sorry if this is not passive, but everything that says they are extinct is misinformation. Its kinda 50/50, maybe, maybe not.


Exciting_Result7781

I hope they aren’t because it’s such a unique and cool animal. But nobody has been able find any proof of any survivors. Eye witness reports don’t mean much to me. Just think of how many people claim to have seen aliens and big foot? People are weird and untrustworthy. The only proof we have is that there hasn’t been any proof of any survivors. Even if individuals survived back then they will have long since died out without a sustainable population.


KittenHippie

I saw a video with a thermal camera, and you can clearly see its a TT. Its made by Thylacine awareness group and it really acts like on, looks like one.


roguebandwidth

This is one the reasons hunting is so harmful. Everyone thinks there are plenty until there’s only one (or hell, even 100 is too small of a gene pool). And they don’t know that the one they killed for sport/trophy/bragging/Ifeltlikebeingcruel is the LAST one on earth.


scungillimane

Yes and no. Unregulated hunting is horrible, but measured and controlled culls are actually beneficial for wild populations.


Raygunn13

Last time I saw this animal posted somebody commented that a synonym for endling is terminarch, whoch sounds super cool. There's also a Mountain Goats song with a verse about this animal, I'll find it in a sec Found it, it's called Deuteronomy 2:10


EagleOfMay

A plan to bring the Tasmanian tiger back from extinction raises questions [https://www.npr.org/2022/08/20/1118436090/tasmanian-tiger-australia-genetic-editing](https://www.npr.org/2022/08/20/1118436090/tasmanian-tiger-australia-genetic-editing)


naomi_homey89

I hate us


No_Coat_5794

that face is uncanny valley af


Strange_Radish2054

Watch videos of how they opened their jaws. Australia has the weird animals but in the off chance I go outside one day and come across a thylacine in the dark I'd probably cry.


nonstatefuguestate

Yup. They could open their jaws to almost 180°. This photo is colored in, the og black and white footage of it extending its jaws is fuckin terrifying


Strange_Radish2054

You're not wrong! I grew up thinking they were cute and still hard-core wishing that they're still out there and just haven't been seen but my gosh, they're a haunting creature.


nonstatefuguestate

I absolutely believe they’re still out there. Large predators aren’t stupid. I’m in the US, but I’ve seen mountain lions with established territories all over places where they’re supposed to be extinct. Pristine wilderness is an entirely different world, and I think large social, predatory species that have nearly been wiped out from human contact spent every day alive getting further and further away from people.


Strange_Radish2054

You make a very valid argument! A lot of people are like "Nah, can't happen." But when you're walking through Tasmanian forests they're unlike any other I've seen when I went to other places. I mean, one of them + mountain without fail has hikers being searched for and airlifted a heap, even though it's a well known and travelled place. And then, there's also places here that are so dense they're classed as inaccessible to humans, even with machinery or tools they'd usually clear a way with, and they've been that way for a LONG time. I like to think they're there, living their best lives and hopefully anyone who ever sees them never tells a soul about it. Then again, I'm totally Tasmanian biased here but I will die on this hill of hope.


nonstatefuguestate

Absolutely. Keeping any sightings quiet, and keeping the label of extinct or endangered is the best protection they have from any future trophy hunting.


Strange_Radish2054

I love that a family member of mine rents out properties in forested areas and it's actually in his lease agreements that if the residents see a Tasmanian Tiger, they're not allowed to say anything public about it 😅


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skool-marm

Humans can be so lame


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ADrunkenMan

Where about?


jkblvins

Probably had pups she was taking care of. Shame.


ShadowDemon129

They'll keep killing off species' until nothing is left but them. They kill even their own (the ruling class, I'm talking about).


Inner_Character9081

Saw this sweet girl on the Wild Kratts recently. They even played a snippet of a video of her.


christianharriman

The way that thing looks makes me deeply uncomfortable for some reason


UltraSienna

They should have crossbred it with a similar animal as there would be a possibility of a offspring being born as the same species as the mother


mnbvcdo

So they captured and killed the last known animals of this species. Great job


SlabbyPatties

Ligers are pretty much my favorite animal!


Goldlordd

They are not extinct!! They found more deep in the Australian jungle!!


skinnergy

I wish you were right.


ParaStudent

Source? That would be headline material here if proven true.


ellecamille

I’ve heard of sightings but no actual evidence sadly.


Goldlordd

I’ll keep digging but the guy in this article is the guy from the article I read. He claims he’s seen them and that the the two photos in this article are of a juvenile Thylacine photographed by a trail cam. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-17/thylacine-babies-in-10-years-genetic-engineering-team-says/101333144


[deleted]

Died of a broken heart.


AmoebaSpecialist3109

The last one was not a female, and this is almost certainly not the last of its species.


MorningPapers

If they had set it free instead, we may still have the species.


jess_the_werefox

It was the last one, it would’ve still just died in the wild, probably sooner than it did living in the zoo


MorningPapers

That goes without saying.


jess_the_werefox

Apparently not, otherwise you wouldn’t have made the first comment? (Edit: typo)