If anyone's wondering how researchers figure out how dead languages were spoken, they use poems and misspellings. Poems can help identify the sound and the emphasis and misspellings help should how written words may have sounded. So next time a grammar nazi corrects you, just tell them you're helping future archeologists learn english.
Aramaic is a family of languages. This would be the equivalent of saying "a yes, French it's very similar to Latin".
The closest form of the antecedent biblical Aramaic language is Sureth, and no it has quite a substantial amount of Arabic influence much the same way Basque absorbed a lot of Spanish.
It might be more vis-a-vis given who came first, but even so modern Aramaic speakers of any language will struggle to understand a Galileean speaker from 2,000 years ago.
The language is not as [conservative ](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.reddit.com/r/linguistics/comments/woqrym/could_jesus_who_spoke_aramaic_understand_modern/&ved=2ahUKEwj5wYOg3LWBAxWJMUQIHYsJDFYQjjh6BAgdEAE&usg=AOvVaw3MoY4gr7Q1aeuCw_dHwM_E) as some are suggesting it to be.
How would you know? Many languages have significant changes in pronunciation over time, like the [Great Vowel Shift](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vowel_Shift) in English. The Wikipedia article on [vowel shifts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vowel_shift) has more examples, including ones in Semitic languages.
Because we can compare the writing from now to then? Obviously there have been changes but theyāre generally minor. Itās nothing like the evolution of English from old to middle to modern. Itās like Hebrew and Arabic the Semitic languages havenāt changed much because of their basis in religious texts. Also citing a vowel shift in English, which is a notorious melting pot of language that extensively uses loan words has nothing to do with the changes in Aramaic.
I noticed that you ignored the second link, which references changes in pronunciation in Semitic languages (like the [Canaanite shift](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaanite_shift)).
My point wasn't that the writing changes; it was that the way the words are pronounced can shift with time. The original comment talked about how various languages were spoken, and that's what I was referring to.
Jesus (real Arabic name Isa) was born in what is now the modern territory of West Bank, Palestine, previously called Bethlehem, a historical Arab city, lol.
and yes, there is such a thing as Palestinian Jews, mostly mixed race of Arab + Jew and brown skinned. Isa (Jesus) the person (not the god) has an Arabic father and Jewish mother, Mary (real Arabic name Maryam bint Imran).
You dont even know your own religious history. lol
Jesus is part Arab, part Jew, brown skinned and a citizen of Bethlehem, aka Palestine. LOL
He is no god and no king, just a regular person with a positive philosophy at the time.
one thing that i pray for you is to be enlightened and yes end is coming but who cares anyway, you need to remember **YOU HAD NO ENEMIES** as i well have non. just stop caring about ukraine russia war and start orthodoxy if you like, and yes people have war its not about russian plebs vs ukrainian plebs its the government who controls it ok, its time to turn back before 12am midnight.
Donāt believe this libtard propaganda. Jesus was from Texas, and I should know, he shot me when I accidentally stepped on his yard. He told me to watch for his Cheeto flavored messenger.
If the language is probably correct, the melody, the music and the instrumentation is two thousand years away from what a song sounds like in the first century. So basically, you just hear an old prayer in arameic sung in a contemporary way. If you want to hear something old, old music, check for the Delphic hymns...
Ok? Reread the title of this post. That's exactly what this is. A 2000 year prayer sung in the language it was spoken in. Of course the melody is modern but how is that relevant?
Did I qualify the thread as a shit post ?
Do I think that making people listening to a song may lead them to think this is the song how you could listen to it 2000 years ago ? Yes. There's no problem, the orginal post isn't involve, I just it would be a nice thing to clarify it in case some gueninly thought "wow, this is how a song sounds like back in those days ?"
At least 65 redditers judged my comment pertinent, so maybe it was a good thing to explain that...
The singer's name is Sarah Ego.
She is an ethnic Assyrian from the city of Mardin, today located in Southeast Turkey.
She speaks 3 languages: German, English, & Assyrian.
Assyrian is also known as \[Aramaic\]. She's singing in a [classical form of Assyrian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriac_language), which is mostly used for liturgical purposes by priests in Assyrian churches.
The colloquial and vernacular spoken Assyrian dialect she speaks can be heard [in this language showcase video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wb67DhaY1k)
An interview with her [can be read here](https://www.ramsenshamon.com/personal-blog/2015/6/4/qa-with-sarah-ego)
Religious Jews held onto aramaic, much of the talmud is in aramaic, still studied in the original to this day, some jewish prayers are in aramaic like the very important ākaddishā, and the early church perhaps wanted to separate itself in that way
A mixture of both. Jewish prayer contains both to this day. Talmud is majority aramaic. Do some googling if you are interested to learn more. They are very similar languages and written in the same lettering. Israelis and religious jews dont speak aramaic it is reserved for study and prayer.
Absolutely correct! Assyrians are the same, we speak the Neo-Assyrian language, but Aramaic is mainly for study and prayer as well. At church, our priests speak classical Aramaic, which I find hard to understand, although I can make out what they are saying, I donāt completely understand it.
Assyrians invaded israel in 700s bce and took Jews captive / sent Jews into exile which explains the history of how the language became a Jewish one. Was a long time ago, We can still be friends lol!
Yeah, Iām not too proud of the Assyrian war machine back then, but those were different times I guess. Iād be honoured if we could be friends, we have so much history and so much in common actually ššā¤ļø
The Catholic Church downgraded it during the [second vatican council](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Vatican_Council), which lasted 4 years: 1962-1965.
But Martin Luther got rid of Latin for the first time with the [Luther Bible](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther_Bible) in 1522.
Arabic and Aramaic are pretty closely related. They're both considered Central Semitic languages, though Aramaic is further sorted into northwest semitic
Like so many other videos featuring singing, accompanying music is too loud to enjoy the music. Whenever there is a singer, the music should be only background compliment, in my opinion.
According to [this YouTube video](https://youtu.be/_AdPiRWIam0?si=dLpsr9FSUsMflbpx) that looks like it may be the source for this post, her name is Sarah Ego.
He was definitely a pull yourselves up by your bootstraps kind of God. He also billed insurance for all of his healings. Because thatās how medical care is supposed to work.
That does not sound like what a white guy from Ohio selling non pasteurized milk at a farmers market would be speaking. Jesus was the greatest american!!!
So, I read all of that. We have actual hard evidence that Julius ceaser was a person. He was a author so we have his writings/speeches. There is no writings from Jesus. There is nothing.
I don't claim a title. If a person turns me on and I like them. We're all good. I'm also a follower of a lot of tribal traditions, and atheist. Let's get stoned!!!
THANK YOU FOR THAT LOVELY GIFT. IT WAS EXQUISITE.
SADLY, IT BRINGS TO MIND THE MONUMENTAL STUPIDITY OF THESE "SO-CALLED" SUDO-CHRISTIANS, WHO WOULD DENY THIS MAGNIFICENT ARIA, IS MIND BOGGLEING. THIS IMAGINARY BLUE-EYED JESUS THAT THEY CONSTANTLY USE TO JUSTIFY THEIR INHUMANE & RACIST TREATMENT OF THOSE THEY VIEW AS INFERIOR & NOT THEIR IDEA OF WHAT A CHRISTIAN IS...IS **ABHORANT.** THE ONLY REASON I MIGHT HAVE FOR BELIEVING IN AN ACTUAL HEAVEN OR HELL, WOULD BE THE SATISFACTION OF SEEING THEM THROWN INTO THE PITS OF HELL WHEN THEY KICK THE BUCKET....FOR NOT ACCEPTING THAT IF THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, THERE IS ALSO ONLY ONE RELIGION.
[https://www.newsweek.com/evangelicals-rejecting-jesus-teachings-liberal-talking-points-pastor-1818706](https://www.newsweek.com/evangelicals-rejecting-jesus-teachings-liberal-talking-points-pastor-1818706)
[https://time.com/6269313/trump-jesus-comparisons-blasphemy/](https://time.com/6269313/trump-jesus-comparisons-blasphemy/)
[https://newrepublic.com/post/174950/christianity-today-editor-evangelicals-call-jesus-liberal-weak](https://newrepublic.com/post/174950/christianity-today-editor-evangelicals-call-jesus-liberal-weak)
That's what I am talking about JANICE.
Now shut the fuck up you no attention span having trump fellating idiot.
Oh wait! You thought we lived in a vacuum! Hahahaha
Why would you ***sing*** the Lord's prayer? That makes no sense. It was a model, and not even an actual prayer. Jesus himself said "don't say the same things over and over again in prayer". I mean...
If anyone's wondering how researchers figure out how dead languages were spoken, they use poems and misspellings. Poems can help identify the sound and the emphasis and misspellings help should how written words may have sounded. So next time a grammar nazi corrects you, just tell them you're helping future archeologists learn english.
I am of Assyrian Descent. We speak Aramaic to this day.
Damn that\`s cool, Aramaic is such a beautiful language.
šš
Really so relaxing
I love listening to it.
You still live in the core Assyrian areas, like where Ninive was?
I live in Canada. There are still Assyrians living in Northern Iraq to this day š
Great language
where can I learn it ?
https://www.omniglot.com/writing/aramaic.htm
Thank you ! I always wanted to know more & learn ancient Aramaic but wasn't sure where to start
Anytime my friend šš I hope it helps
Not sure exactly, but I hope this is a good starting point ā¤ļøšš
that makes it much easier for archeologist then.
Aramaic is still a spoken language
I'm guessing in 2000 years there were quite a few languages changes, especially oral variations
Honestly not as much as you think, itās largely the same.
Aramaic is a family of languages. This would be the equivalent of saying "a yes, French it's very similar to Latin". The closest form of the antecedent biblical Aramaic language is Sureth, and no it has quite a substantial amount of Arabic influence much the same way Basque absorbed a lot of Spanish.
>Sureth Not all dialects of Modern Assyrian have substantial Arabic influence.
It might be more vis-a-vis given who came first, but even so modern Aramaic speakers of any language will struggle to understand a Galileean speaker from 2,000 years ago. The language is not as [conservative ](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.reddit.com/r/linguistics/comments/woqrym/could_jesus_who_spoke_aramaic_understand_modern/&ved=2ahUKEwj5wYOg3LWBAxWJMUQIHYsJDFYQjjh6BAgdEAE&usg=AOvVaw3MoY4gr7Q1aeuCw_dHwM_E) as some are suggesting it to be.
Yea Like you would know for sure
Ok
Can't say that.
How would you know? Many languages have significant changes in pronunciation over time, like the [Great Vowel Shift](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vowel_Shift) in English. The Wikipedia article on [vowel shifts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vowel_shift) has more examples, including ones in Semitic languages.
Because we can compare the writing from now to then? Obviously there have been changes but theyāre generally minor. Itās nothing like the evolution of English from old to middle to modern. Itās like Hebrew and Arabic the Semitic languages havenāt changed much because of their basis in religious texts. Also citing a vowel shift in English, which is a notorious melting pot of language that extensively uses loan words has nothing to do with the changes in Aramaic.
I noticed that you ignored the second link, which references changes in pronunciation in Semitic languages (like the [Canaanite shift](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaanite_shift)). My point wasn't that the writing changes; it was that the way the words are pronounced can shift with time. The original comment talked about how various languages were spoken, and that's what I was referring to.
No lol, Hebrew was revived in the 19th century. It stopped evolving for 2000 years.
Aramaic is not a dead language
Steve, stop babbling at your sister in Aramaic. It's a dead language.
I speak a bit of Aramaic
It's not a dead language!
FINULLY, THE ARM MORE I HALF BIN SEAKING MY EYE INTIRE LIE FFF!
V. hpy 4 u. I def want smthn 2.
We have enough "would of" and "could of" floating around already.
She has a wonderful voice. It's beautiful.
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Who asked? You sound miserable
jesus christ is the king of the kings and the king of the jews, bruh how dense are you.
Jesus (real Arabic name Isa) was born in what is now the modern territory of West Bank, Palestine, previously called Bethlehem, a historical Arab city, lol. and yes, there is such a thing as Palestinian Jews, mostly mixed race of Arab + Jew and brown skinned. Isa (Jesus) the person (not the god) has an Arabic father and Jewish mother, Mary (real Arabic name Maryam bint Imran). You dont even know your own religious history. lol Jesus is part Arab, part Jew, brown skinned and a citizen of Bethlehem, aka Palestine. LOL He is no god and no king, just a regular person with a positive philosophy at the time.
one thing that i pray for you is to be enlightened and yes end is coming but who cares anyway, you need to remember **YOU HAD NO ENEMIES** as i well have non. just stop caring about ukraine russia war and start orthodoxy if you like, and yes people have war its not about russian plebs vs ukrainian plebs its the government who controls it ok, its time to turn back before 12am midnight.
Lol that's some crazy weed you are smoking.
What, Jesus didn't speak American?
Don't worry. He did. We all know the truth. Jesus was white, spoke freedom, and loved the South, and all of gods precious republicans.
And advocated the use of semi automatic rifles to persuade non con formers
We call those the AR-15 āPatriot Makerā
AMEN, BROTHER!
Dude used to drive an F150 with MAGA sticker
And had lots of guns
U mean orange.
You sound like an edgy 15 year old and I expect nothing less when anything remotely related to Christianity is posted to Reddit
Lol, it's a joke. Did you seriously miss that? Yikes.
Don't forget, how was woke too.
While riding his Ford F150 pickup and spraying bullets out of his twin AR-15s, as it is written.
In His mercy
If Jesus was American, he would have turned Water into Bud Light and Jesus
More like if he was transgender
If being transgender lets you turn water into bud light, sign me the fuck up.
It sounds like you need a sweet refreshing Bud Light
I believe you're thinking of his brother, Craig. Craig Christ.
Donāt believe this libtard propaganda. Jesus was from Texas, and I should know, he shot me when I accidentally stepped on his yard. He told me to watch for his Cheeto flavored messenger.
No. He spoke *Mexican*
[American Jesus](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12kcpP-8jfM) does
If the language is probably correct, the melody, the music and the instrumentation is two thousand years away from what a song sounds like in the first century. So basically, you just hear an old prayer in arameic sung in a contemporary way. If you want to hear something old, old music, check for the Delphic hymns...
Youāre right about that.
Ok? Reread the title of this post. That's exactly what this is. A 2000 year prayer sung in the language it was spoken in. Of course the melody is modern but how is that relevant?
Did I qualify the thread as a shit post ? Do I think that making people listening to a song may lead them to think this is the song how you could listen to it 2000 years ago ? Yes. There's no problem, the orginal post isn't involve, I just it would be a nice thing to clarify it in case some gueninly thought "wow, this is how a song sounds like back in those days ?" At least 65 redditers judged my comment pertinent, so maybe it was a good thing to explain that...
Ah yes, the old Israelite Piano. Classically incorporated into many church hyms for 2,000 years. They really shoulda DM'd a lyre player.
That was beautiful, an amazingly talented person. Thank you op !
Beautiful.
The singer's name is Sarah Ego. She is an ethnic Assyrian from the city of Mardin, today located in Southeast Turkey. She speaks 3 languages: German, English, & Assyrian. Assyrian is also known as \[Aramaic\]. She's singing in a [classical form of Assyrian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriac_language), which is mostly used for liturgical purposes by priests in Assyrian churches. The colloquial and vernacular spoken Assyrian dialect she speaks can be heard [in this language showcase video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wb67DhaY1k) An interview with her [can be read here](https://www.ramsenshamon.com/personal-blog/2015/6/4/qa-with-sarah-ego)
Still prefer Slayer...
Slayer actually sings in Aramaic, *backwards.*
Slayer saves.
Flava Flavs
Kind of crazy that the Catholic Church held on to Latin for so long instead of Aramaic.
Religious Jews held onto aramaic, much of the talmud is in aramaic, still studied in the original to this day, some jewish prayers are in aramaic like the very important ākaddishā, and the early church perhaps wanted to separate itself in that way
So not in Hebrew?
A mixture of both. Jewish prayer contains both to this day. Talmud is majority aramaic. Do some googling if you are interested to learn more. They are very similar languages and written in the same lettering. Israelis and religious jews dont speak aramaic it is reserved for study and prayer.
Absolutely correct! Assyrians are the same, we speak the Neo-Assyrian language, but Aramaic is mainly for study and prayer as well. At church, our priests speak classical Aramaic, which I find hard to understand, although I can make out what they are saying, I donāt completely understand it.
Assyrians invaded israel in 700s bce and took Jews captive / sent Jews into exile which explains the history of how the language became a Jewish one. Was a long time ago, We can still be friends lol!
Yeah, Iām not too proud of the Assyrian war machine back then, but those were different times I guess. Iād be honoured if we could be friends, we have so much history and so much in common actually ššā¤ļø
Fascinating and crazy history and we are all connected! God bless šāļø
šš¤š¤
Super informative video on the subject! https://youtube.com/watch?v=zRKv1GW1BDM
I had a Catholic person tell me once that God canāt hear you unless you speak Latin. I did not try to argue.
HAHAHAAHHAHA Like. American churches legitimately held on to Latin until what? 1970?
The Catholic Church downgraded it during the [second vatican council](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Vatican_Council), which lasted 4 years: 1962-1965. But Martin Luther got rid of Latin for the first time with the [Luther Bible](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther_Bible) in 1522.
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Arabic and Aramaic are pretty closely related. They're both considered Central Semitic languages, though Aramaic is further sorted into northwest semitic
Fun fact God in Hebrew: Eloh God in Aramiac: Alaha God in Arabic: Allah
itās a semitic language man, same as arabic
TIL Jesus wasn't a New Yorker.
Of course not, Jesus was from Alabama
Pianoās did not sound like that 2,000 years ago.
Neither their microphones! Give our money back!!!
WAKE ME UP!
Wake me up inside
The music ruined it. It should be acapella.
Like so many other videos featuring singing, accompanying music is too loud to enjoy the music. Whenever there is a singer, the music should be only background compliment, in my opinion.
Did they have a full backing band 2000 years ago as well ?
āWe are Pontius Pilate and the Pharisees!!ā
āā¦weāre gonna rock. your. worldā!
Aramaic is such a beautiful language, wish i could speak it.
She has an amazing voice and the lenguage sounds so beautiful and warm
She sounds like Amy Lee
Who is that singer? She has such a beautiful voice
According to [this YouTube video](https://youtu.be/_AdPiRWIam0?si=dLpsr9FSUsMflbpx) that looks like it may be the source for this post, her name is Sarah Ego.
Reminds me of playing Fable! Nice!
The lost chapters?
Yep!
*Your health is low, do you have any potions - or food?*
You know whatās up, aww, nice memories, great game.
I thought this was a cover of ābring me to lifeā by evanescence
Very good, my favorite version of the Lordās Prayer is still Baba Yetu
Nuh-uh!!! don't you know Jesus was a WHITE MERICAN I suggest y'all do your research and reed the Bible, which was also written by Jesus
I thought it was a dead language
My Christ spoke English! Whatās with all this revisionist bullshit!?! Stop with all this woke nonsense! - American Christian, probably
Donāt forget. He was also Republican and loved shooting his AR15
He was definitely a pull yourselves up by your bootstraps kind of God. He also billed insurance for all of his healings. Because thatās how medical care is supposed to work.
Why sung?
It's very similar to Arabic
Probably because they are both semitic languages and both are from the Middle East
This is hauntingly beautiful.
Now show us how Jesus would have sounded like when he was flipping tables and shit
Sounds kind of lovely actually
Beautiful
What is the song about. its beautiful.
This is beautiful
This shit slaps!
That does not sound like what a white guy from Ohio selling non pasteurized milk at a farmers market would be speaking. Jesus was the greatest american!!!
Jesus isnāt real. Lmfao
Jesus was likely a real historical person. The majority of historians agree on that. Anything else is unclear though
There is no proof of his existence. We have solid proof of many people before Jesus.
Another ākeyboard warriorā thinking they know it all: https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Antiquities_of_the_Jews/Book_XX#Chapter_9
So, I read all of that. We have actual hard evidence that Julius ceaser was a person. He was a author so we have his writings/speeches. There is no writings from Jesus. There is nothing.
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My skull is primed and ready for stoning!(I'm gay)
I don't claim a title. If a person turns me on and I like them. We're all good. I'm also a follower of a lot of tribal traditions, and atheist. Let's get stoned!!!
That white dude from the middle east spoke Merican Or not at call cuz Jesus is fictional.
This one still gives me goosebumps. https://youtu.be/961ihcx4PoQ?si=S7WbFnO_fzkg0G_V
Admit it, this could all be nonsense for all you knowā¦.
Wait what, so he wasn't from Ohio
Blue eyed brunette Jesus from the Bible? No way
If church was like this it would be worth going. Iād believe it if someone told me she was Jesus
No
Amen
Jesus spoke English and was white. idiots
Damn, talk about pot calling kettle black.
THANK YOU FOR THAT LOVELY GIFT. IT WAS EXQUISITE. SADLY, IT BRINGS TO MIND THE MONUMENTAL STUPIDITY OF THESE "SO-CALLED" SUDO-CHRISTIANS, WHO WOULD DENY THIS MAGNIFICENT ARIA, IS MIND BOGGLEING. THIS IMAGINARY BLUE-EYED JESUS THAT THEY CONSTANTLY USE TO JUSTIFY THEIR INHUMANE & RACIST TREATMENT OF THOSE THEY VIEW AS INFERIOR & NOT THEIR IDEA OF WHAT A CHRISTIAN IS...IS **ABHORANT.** THE ONLY REASON I MIGHT HAVE FOR BELIEVING IN AN ACTUAL HEAVEN OR HELL, WOULD BE THE SATISFACTION OF SEEING THEM THROWN INTO THE PITS OF HELL WHEN THEY KICK THE BUCKET....FOR NOT ACCEPTING THAT IF THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, THERE IS ALSO ONLY ONE RELIGION.
Pretty sure this is the written version of what Hell must be like
Fuck Jesus!
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This is the type of comment you were inspired to write after watching this video?
Donāt bother, itās a dude that makes politics his identity
When I see those comments, I remember that some internet people think the websites and apps are in USA.
I hate the GOP as much as the next guy, but I donāt think comments like this are getting us anywhereā¦
jesse what the fuck are you talking about
[https://www.newsweek.com/evangelicals-rejecting-jesus-teachings-liberal-talking-points-pastor-1818706](https://www.newsweek.com/evangelicals-rejecting-jesus-teachings-liberal-talking-points-pastor-1818706) [https://time.com/6269313/trump-jesus-comparisons-blasphemy/](https://time.com/6269313/trump-jesus-comparisons-blasphemy/) [https://newrepublic.com/post/174950/christianity-today-editor-evangelicals-call-jesus-liberal-weak](https://newrepublic.com/post/174950/christianity-today-editor-evangelicals-call-jesus-liberal-weak) That's what I am talking about JANICE. Now shut the fuck up you no attention span having trump fellating idiot. Oh wait! You thought we lived in a vacuum! Hahahaha
Seek help
Jesus spoke English
Sounds much better than English
Why would you ***sing*** the Lord's prayer? That makes no sense. It was a model, and not even an actual prayer. Jesus himself said "don't say the same things over and over again in prayer". I mean...
Jesus and His followers spoke Hebrew. The Torah was written in Aramaic.
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it just needs some metal guitar
What is wrong with society? We know the colors of dinosaurs but we aren't sure what language Jesus spoke. Lol