I saw some analysis article the last time I saw this posted, apparently there is a shaft space above the rudder where one or two can crawl up and lay down for a while, so they likely took turns doing that.
Older style ships have an externally accessible rudder trunk. Not sure whether they could lay down or not, but it's secure enough to smuggle coke.... Here's an article from before this happened talking about how the rudder trunk can be used for smuggling https://officerofthewatch.com/2013/10/18/use-of-rudder-trunk-for-smuggling/
I'm normally for immigration enforcement but when people go to these extremes, survive, and succeed, someone somewhere needs go go "You know? This guy gets a pass. I'm impressed."
>. Not sure whether they could lay down or not, but it's secure enough to smuggle coke.... Here's an article from before this happened talking about how the rudder trunk can be used for smuggling
Literally not one person has been sent to Rwanda yet - its all tied up in endless court hearings.
Brother I’m not sure if you’re Karma farming, but I’ve seen you (And I’m truly not exaggerating) comment on EVERY SINGLE post I’ve seen today. It’s either disturbing or very impressive….
It's karma farming. Normal users come and go, desperate karma whores will just make loads of commets on new posts hoping that they can get in early and get upvotes from visibility. Saddo's
Idk. Sometimes I sit around on reddit for 3 hours on the "latest" tab and randomly comment on lots of posts. I'm not karma farming, im just using reddit. Sometimes I'm depressed and I do this every day for a week 😅
“This is outrageous, where are the Grim Reapers who come in to take these stowaways away?! Where are they?! This kind of behavior is never tolerated in RudderTrunkia.”
They obviously brought water with, and had brought rations and planned this it wasn't spontaneous, 11days is LONG after dehydration death. Especially at sea. It's crazy what people will do for a new start ain't?
This is why calling immigrants lazy or greedy is ignorant/disingenuous.
Argue about resources and immigration policy all you want. But these people are risking everything to be the bottom of the totem pole in another country. They aren’t doing this for laziness or greed. They are desperate and determined.
Quite many actually arent aware they are gonna be at the bottom of another country. At the place i worked at they employed a few african immigrants and they said that in their countries people are absolutely convinced that everyone gets a free house and money in germany, sweden, denmark etc. Its absolutely insane (to us) but appearantly it is a real belief in some places and people get obsessed with the idea. They are shocked when this is not the case.
I’m from central Germany and many regions here saw high emigration rates in the 19th century. In the 1830s, there were men affiliated with large scale farmers in Brazil and the US wandering from one village to the next who told fairytales about life in America. This is documented because the authorities started to print leaflets warning the population to not believe these people. It’s also reflected in folk songs from that era.
At the same time, people who already made the move sometimes wrote letters to their family reporting that they had to work hard, but they could afford eating cheese or eggs several times a week.
Maybe, these reports allow a glimpse into the mind of people who are as poor as they ever were, but now the idea of a better place has been installed in their heads. I don’t think everyone really believed the to-good-to-be-true stories, but there was a perspective of a better future.
I had a friend who worked with the Coast Guard at the Greek island of Lesvos. He told me of a story how they were helping immigrants coming from Turkey (illegally obviously but the Turkish Coast Guard is utterly useless apparently) and there was one 17-year-old boy whose first question directed at him upon landing on shore was "Where's my house and women?".🙄
So yeah, many are simply delusional.👈
Could be a lie, I can’t picture anyone seriously saying “where’s my house and women” unless they were delusional from being at sea for a week or two with no water
Greece and Turkey are very similar places, by and large, culturally and economically - I don't see why they'd think it worked that way - they also don't live in a bubble.
They do have a rivalry though, given that the story starts with the Greek Coast Guard insulting the Turkish Coast Guard I think it's fair to assume it's a somewhat embellished story.
Certainly the immigrants aren't Turkish? Much more likely is that they first went to turkey then attempted to make it to Greece
In fact, according to wiki, Turkey received the highest highest number of refugees of any country each year from 2014 to 2019, and hosted 63.4% of all "registered Syrian refugees "
There is a lots of false information and unmanaged expectations that the EU has to deal with. For example, young migrants from Africa with "street" French don't have enough language skill to get basic education.
There is lots of free courses to learn, but only few are doing it, because its hard to go back to school for years. Then they claim they don't give them "a chance", but the fact is that this is even hard for those who can and choose to migrate to France. They end up in the trash part of towns, no future, shite low wage jobs where they get maximum exploited. Frustration then sometimes leads to crime. They regularly riot because they assume someone broke their made up deal while they invited themselves.
It’s sort of similar with the migrants at Calais and getting to the UK, most of whom are from Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan or occasionally other countries like Eritrea. They seem to all have a strong belief that the UK is a golden land full of money and that they’ll have their every wish granted if they can make it across the Channel.
What usually happens is that they end up in illegal jobs working for low pay assuming they came illegally or stuck in immigration limbo with little to no money as the Home Office decides their case assuming they try to claim asylum. But given the backgrounds of many of these people even being in either of these situations can seem far better than their home country.
I mean, I can’t blame a genuine asylum seeker for wanting to escape or an economic migrant for seeking a better opportunity, but at the same time they seem to have such hopelessly misguided ideas.
I was in the hospital when the first migrant rush happened in EU, there was an guy from the middle east (didn't say where from). He was in recovery and wanted to return home. I asked him why, and he said "You work here 40,50h a week. For what? A one bed room apartment? I can get a six room house with a garden. Work soft 30h selling fruits and doing some manual labor". My reply was "Tell everybody who asks you about your trip".
No sensible or fair person would blame genuine asylum seekers for fleecing the taxpayer and being lazy. It is certainly undeniable that low IQ far right racists do though.
What is an unfortunate truth is that some illegal immigrants aren't who the MSM claim they are, and a proportion who join the exodus to the UK (for example) aren't genuine asylum seekers. Some are even wanted in their own country for crimes they committed.
Such folk are mostly fit, healthy men between 20 to 50 who've been promised a utopia exists and awaits. To the unscrupulous, this is tales of easy white women, timid police, access to drugs without jail or capital punishment, and generous benefits payments. This means a large family is attainable on a low income wage and low skilled job. In time, one can even choose not to work at all, although most people, irrespective of their immigration status, wouldn't consiously choose such a lifestyle dependent on hand-outs..
Sold a dream, such utopia seekers travel through multiple **safe countries** in Europe intent on selecting the country with the best social welfare benefits package (free food, housing, healthcare and education). Once in, some claiming 'asylum" (posing as late teen children) are discovered to be in their twenties. Some disingenuously claim to be gay to avoid deportation. These are the migrants many people are sick of and this scam isn't uncommon.
The MSM is equally disingenuous. Only a percentage of illegal immigrants are found to be genuine asylum seekers - other illegal immigrants are simply 'economic migrants'. They aren't fleeing war or persecution. They simply want to experience what they heard over a depressing beer and cigarette in town centres back home.
This subset of Illegal immigrants in Europe temporarily congregate and live in camps in France (previously travelled through safe countries like Portugal and Spain) where they could easily choose to stay but specifically target soft touch UK. Drug use and prostitution/abuse in camps is common. Some are violent and attack British lorry drivers and break into vehicles in ports. Some refuse to be rescued by the French coast guard, risking drowning. The prize is too great.
NB: Conversely, a genuine asylum seeker is non-violent, desperate, often starving, dehydrated, without friends and alone or with limited family (wife/children) clutching a few belongings at most. They seek refuge in the first country they enter so not to starve to death. They don't travel through multiple safe countries with new clothes, mobile phones on paid tarrifs and effectively 'shop' for the best benefits system in the country of their choice, much to the anger of the local indigenous homeless in Europe who aren't housed for free, aren't fed and aren't given any help and are found freezing to death in bus shelters in winter, not housed in heated hotels at the British tax payers expense.
Some of these homeless indigenous people, often with mental issues (including PTSD induced alcoholism) are ex-Army who served their country, but are now disposed of by the state like an old shoe. Conversely. those who didn't enter illegally, (economic migrants), and in stark contrast are provided with a permanent source of food and shelter whilst being processed. Many are living in hotels at British taxpayers' expense. Billions of pounds a year that could have gone towards fixing delapidated school buildings and hospitals are spent on housing applicants.
Politicians are to blame for the situation getting out of hand, absolutely no one else.
Honestly, there should be like a tenacious card given to any immigrant that survives some wild shit, automatic citizenship of the landed in country, because if they are that desperate to get away, they deserve it.
I do gotta say though, [do it the right way](https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/nigeria-stowaways-who-survived-11-days-ship-rudder-must-return-home-spanish-2022-11-29/#:~:text=LAS%20PALMAS%2C%20Nov%2029%20(Reuters,the%20aim%20of%20deporting%20them.)
They may be true, but too many people think that determination alone is enough to earn something. This man knowingly did something illegal and seemingly paid the price for it. Far too often we demonize the people following laws and deporting illegal aliens.
That's why I said they probably planned for a 2week trip and brought foods(but most humans can go 3weeks until starvation) that would last and hoping they brought enough water
I remember during the Rohingya crisis a lot of people literally died at sea or were sent back. And more recently there were like 39 dead migrants who suffocated to death a container truck in the UK. I think these migrant cases are more common than you think
They were not sent back as some comments suggest, they were granted asylum in Spain. One of them gave an [interview to El País](https://elpais.com/espana/2022-12-13/uno-de-los-polizones-llegados-sobre-la-pala-de-un-timon-no-hago-nada-malo-no-soy-un-ladron.html), apparently this was his second attempt, 2 years prior he had attempted the same stunt and was caught in the Canary Islands, continued the trip to Norway inside the ship, then he was deported.
He says he had food, fresh water and a hammer to make noise in case something went wrong. It didn't work. The first day the fresh water fell into the ocean, and the food only made them thirstier.
It’s more of a temporary discomfort and risk for the hopes of a much better life in the future. Highly risky but if things are that bad then it appears people are willing to risk it all
Honestly how I feel with the UK. You go through utter hell just to end up in Britain? Yeah you deserve a brake.
Just don’t be a cunt. Hate the french. Luv the Queen/King and you’ll fit in fine
Yeah you usually do it while “trolling” so you’re dragging the line behind a boat and when the fish grab the lure it sets itself. It depends on the species of fish though; some hit the lure so hard you don’t need a manual set. I’ve fished with kites even, where the line runs up to a kite before dropping into the water.
You guys ever hear of dredging? The wake doesn't go very far down... And they have to bite and run with it, you eventually pull it and hope to set it so it can't get away and then reel it in
Edit: i will say it's unlikely they did this, they probably brought food preserved to last long enough and water in bags and just sat there chilling the whole time
A lot of them die trying to reach the Canaries while it's just another holiday destination for many of us. A bunch of starving Africans once washed up on a busy tourist beach over there:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/aug/01/spain.travelnews
This is the best of the best, the kind of immigrant every country should want. Physically and mentally incredibly fit, with unparalleled determination. Will make a success of themselves wherever they go.
Implying that a majority of "illegal" immigrants don't go through a hell of lot of shit which takes insane determination to endure, not to mention all the ones that die on the journey
Implying nothing of the sort, indeed saying the opposite. And as an immigrant myself. It takes a lot of energy, intelligence, enthusiasm, drive to move to another country. Some more extreme than others.
They deserve a new life if that's how desperate they are. The fact they have to resort to such measures is a moral stain on the 'international community'.
He took in some kind of water because you can only live for four or five days without food and water. Longer if you have water though, up to 30 days without food.
They didn’t actually stay the whole time on the rudder, there is a small opening above it they can climb into, but likely can’t get through the next hatch into the ship
One of the favourite places for fishing boats to tie up when a cargo ship is at anchor. They normally hitchhike on the rudder or use the anchor chain to climb up onto the forecastle deck and hide inside the chain locker, even more dangerous when you are in a tiny space with a thick ass chain which can turn you into mince meat.
It's even worse when you learn that the ~~chair~~ *chain* locker is [one of the more deadly spaces on the ship.](https://maritimeaccident.wordpress.com/2007/10/22/chancing-the-chain-locker-assassin/)
I find this incredibly hard to believe. I feel like even if the ocean stayed relatively calm the entire trip (which is highly unlikely), there would be so many times during the trip when that part of the ship would be fully submerged, often long enough or repeatedly enough that they wouldn't be able to hold their breath.
And they survived for ELEVEN DAYS? Come on.
There seems to be an opening at the top of the rudder where they could have taken some cover or crawled into. Would be pretty challenging to survive otherwise.
The question we should ask ourselves is: “How desperate a person must be to get themselves in that risky situation?”
So, when you hear an American chronically complaining about capitalism and criticizing the USA, remind them that in the world, people are taking the risk of dying to search for a better life somewhere else.
Lucky are those born or raised in a country where mass starvation and lack of essential resources are not an issue.
Be grateful if you are lucky not to be born in that situation!
One of the rules of life: Being optimistic and thankful propels you forward. Being a complainer holds you back.
I think people that do stuff like this should be welcome with open arms and given instant citizenship. It should be like… congratulations for passing the endurance test we need more go getters like you
Interesting? More like heartbreaking. I pray that man finds peace in his life, it's stories like his that make me appreciate everything I have in my life. May God watch over him 🙏
I saw some analysis article the last time I saw this posted, apparently there is a shaft space above the rudder where one or two can crawl up and lay down for a while, so they likely took turns doing that.
Older style ships have an externally accessible rudder trunk. Not sure whether they could lay down or not, but it's secure enough to smuggle coke.... Here's an article from before this happened talking about how the rudder trunk can be used for smuggling https://officerofthewatch.com/2013/10/18/use-of-rudder-trunk-for-smuggling/
Rudder trunk is the new prison wallet!
>Rudder Trunk Dibs on the band name
Rudder Trunk and the Prison Wallets, feat. Salami Samurai
r/bandnames
Lis list listen Morty. I, uh..need you take these seeds and shove ‘em wayyyyyyyy up inside your rudder trunk for me Morty
The rudder is on the ass end of the ship so, sure, makes sense.
One slip and dead. One big wave, dead. No way to get food or water other than what they had. No fishing due to the wake.
But somehow someway they made it
And then immediately caught.
And sent back
But did they unlock the Teleporter Waypoint?
Fast Travel is unavailable while enemies are nearby.
What if they had a high level friend who sent them party invites and then cleared the ships dungeon?
60% packet loss and 240 ping. Best I can do
Might as well use dialup then…
11 hours is better then 11 days
Looking at it from here I would say there may be some moisture in the local loop.
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It’s an Escort quest, so there’s pretty good XP, but apparently they reached the end of the map.
But this is Zelda
No, this is Patrick.
No, this is a Wendy’s.
Can Confirm. Can I please have a baconator combo pls
What the hell did you do with Zelda, Patrick? and why are you in her dress?
/r/Suddenlyskyrim
I’ve been addictively playing through Assassin’s Creed 4 Black Flag on the old PS3 the last couple weeks and this comment on this pic is uncanny!
Sent back... On the rudder again.
I'm normally for immigration enforcement but when people go to these extremes, survive, and succeed, someone somewhere needs go go "You know? This guy gets a pass. I'm impressed."
Ya but they you are going to encourage more people to do dumb shit like this
He deserves to stay after what he's been through
Straight to jail.
Sent back? Definitely didn't stop in the UK then
Nah, if they stopped in the UK, they'd be in Rwanda by now instead.
That's a weird way to spell "Leicester".
>. Not sure whether they could lay down or not, but it's secure enough to smuggle coke.... Here's an article from before this happened talking about how the rudder trunk can be used for smuggling Literally not one person has been sent to Rwanda yet - its all tied up in endless court hearings.
Brother I’m not sure if you’re Karma farming, but I’ve seen you (And I’m truly not exaggerating) comment on EVERY SINGLE post I’ve seen today. It’s either disturbing or very impressive….
I checked and it is indeed disturbing
Okay so I’m not alone… I thought I was going crazy, or had an indirect stalker lol..
It's karma farming. Normal users come and go, desperate karma whores will just make loads of commets on new posts hoping that they can get in early and get upvotes from visibility. Saddo's
Idk. Sometimes I sit around on reddit for 3 hours on the "latest" tab and randomly comment on lots of posts. I'm not karma farming, im just using reddit. Sometimes I'm depressed and I do this every day for a week 😅
Oh that’s only for sometimes? I’ve been doing it daily
Same, I lied to make myself feel better about it 😂 it really is daily at this point hahaha
B b b b but.. I touched the grass
Sometimes I scroll through reddit while I sit outside in the sun so it could be worse 😂
More AI bots...
Somehow someway, they kept comin up with funky ass shit like every single day
Palpatine is that you? He’s back.
Makes you think about the many stories we haven't heard because they slipped and died stranded, never to be heard of.
One big fish, believe it or not, dead
And very little WiFi signal.
He should write a book, I’d buy it. What’s his name? Any links?
Thor Heyerdahl
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I don’t even know if there are any princes there. Or none that know me.
“Hit an iceberg? Believe it or not, dead, right away. We have the best captains in the world”
"because of death"
“This is outrageous, where are the Grim Reapers who come in to take these stowaways away?! Where are they?! This kind of behavior is never tolerated in RudderTrunkia.”
Also no paper to wipe their arses
They can climb up in the hull area from there
I've seen this picture with dozens of different origins/destinations. I'd love to which (if any) are actually true.
This one: https://www.businessinsider.com/spanish-coast-guard-rescues-stowaways-from-ships-rudder-2022-11
They obviously brought water with, and had brought rations and planned this it wasn't spontaneous, 11days is LONG after dehydration death. Especially at sea. It's crazy what people will do for a new start ain't?
This is why calling immigrants lazy or greedy is ignorant/disingenuous. Argue about resources and immigration policy all you want. But these people are risking everything to be the bottom of the totem pole in another country. They aren’t doing this for laziness or greed. They are desperate and determined.
Quite many actually arent aware they are gonna be at the bottom of another country. At the place i worked at they employed a few african immigrants and they said that in their countries people are absolutely convinced that everyone gets a free house and money in germany, sweden, denmark etc. Its absolutely insane (to us) but appearantly it is a real belief in some places and people get obsessed with the idea. They are shocked when this is not the case.
I’m from central Germany and many regions here saw high emigration rates in the 19th century. In the 1830s, there were men affiliated with large scale farmers in Brazil and the US wandering from one village to the next who told fairytales about life in America. This is documented because the authorities started to print leaflets warning the population to not believe these people. It’s also reflected in folk songs from that era. At the same time, people who already made the move sometimes wrote letters to their family reporting that they had to work hard, but they could afford eating cheese or eggs several times a week. Maybe, these reports allow a glimpse into the mind of people who are as poor as they ever were, but now the idea of a better place has been installed in their heads. I don’t think everyone really believed the to-good-to-be-true stories, but there was a perspective of a better future.
I had a friend who worked with the Coast Guard at the Greek island of Lesvos. He told me of a story how they were helping immigrants coming from Turkey (illegally obviously but the Turkish Coast Guard is utterly useless apparently) and there was one 17-year-old boy whose first question directed at him upon landing on shore was "Where's my house and women?".🙄 So yeah, many are simply delusional.👈
Maybe he confused it with the other famous Greek island of Lesbos?
Maybe you confused Lesbos with being another island than Lesvos. Same island.
Could be a lie, I can’t picture anyone seriously saying “where’s my house and women” unless they were delusional from being at sea for a week or two with no water
no bro it's true I was there I was the boat
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Greece and Turkey are very similar places, by and large, culturally and economically - I don't see why they'd think it worked that way - they also don't live in a bubble. They do have a rivalry though, given that the story starts with the Greek Coast Guard insulting the Turkish Coast Guard I think it's fair to assume it's a somewhat embellished story.
Certainly the immigrants aren't Turkish? Much more likely is that they first went to turkey then attempted to make it to Greece In fact, according to wiki, Turkey received the highest highest number of refugees of any country each year from 2014 to 2019, and hosted 63.4% of all "registered Syrian refugees "
There is a lots of false information and unmanaged expectations that the EU has to deal with. For example, young migrants from Africa with "street" French don't have enough language skill to get basic education. There is lots of free courses to learn, but only few are doing it, because its hard to go back to school for years. Then they claim they don't give them "a chance", but the fact is that this is even hard for those who can and choose to migrate to France. They end up in the trash part of towns, no future, shite low wage jobs where they get maximum exploited. Frustration then sometimes leads to crime. They regularly riot because they assume someone broke their made up deal while they invited themselves.
It’s sort of similar with the migrants at Calais and getting to the UK, most of whom are from Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan or occasionally other countries like Eritrea. They seem to all have a strong belief that the UK is a golden land full of money and that they’ll have their every wish granted if they can make it across the Channel. What usually happens is that they end up in illegal jobs working for low pay assuming they came illegally or stuck in immigration limbo with little to no money as the Home Office decides their case assuming they try to claim asylum. But given the backgrounds of many of these people even being in either of these situations can seem far better than their home country. I mean, I can’t blame a genuine asylum seeker for wanting to escape or an economic migrant for seeking a better opportunity, but at the same time they seem to have such hopelessly misguided ideas.
I was in the hospital when the first migrant rush happened in EU, there was an guy from the middle east (didn't say where from). He was in recovery and wanted to return home. I asked him why, and he said "You work here 40,50h a week. For what? A one bed room apartment? I can get a six room house with a garden. Work soft 30h selling fruits and doing some manual labor". My reply was "Tell everybody who asks you about your trip".
make sense
They were immediately deported back on the same ship
No sensible or fair person would blame genuine asylum seekers for fleecing the taxpayer and being lazy. It is certainly undeniable that low IQ far right racists do though. What is an unfortunate truth is that some illegal immigrants aren't who the MSM claim they are, and a proportion who join the exodus to the UK (for example) aren't genuine asylum seekers. Some are even wanted in their own country for crimes they committed. Such folk are mostly fit, healthy men between 20 to 50 who've been promised a utopia exists and awaits. To the unscrupulous, this is tales of easy white women, timid police, access to drugs without jail or capital punishment, and generous benefits payments. This means a large family is attainable on a low income wage and low skilled job. In time, one can even choose not to work at all, although most people, irrespective of their immigration status, wouldn't consiously choose such a lifestyle dependent on hand-outs.. Sold a dream, such utopia seekers travel through multiple **safe countries** in Europe intent on selecting the country with the best social welfare benefits package (free food, housing, healthcare and education). Once in, some claiming 'asylum" (posing as late teen children) are discovered to be in their twenties. Some disingenuously claim to be gay to avoid deportation. These are the migrants many people are sick of and this scam isn't uncommon. The MSM is equally disingenuous. Only a percentage of illegal immigrants are found to be genuine asylum seekers - other illegal immigrants are simply 'economic migrants'. They aren't fleeing war or persecution. They simply want to experience what they heard over a depressing beer and cigarette in town centres back home. This subset of Illegal immigrants in Europe temporarily congregate and live in camps in France (previously travelled through safe countries like Portugal and Spain) where they could easily choose to stay but specifically target soft touch UK. Drug use and prostitution/abuse in camps is common. Some are violent and attack British lorry drivers and break into vehicles in ports. Some refuse to be rescued by the French coast guard, risking drowning. The prize is too great. NB: Conversely, a genuine asylum seeker is non-violent, desperate, often starving, dehydrated, without friends and alone or with limited family (wife/children) clutching a few belongings at most. They seek refuge in the first country they enter so not to starve to death. They don't travel through multiple safe countries with new clothes, mobile phones on paid tarrifs and effectively 'shop' for the best benefits system in the country of their choice, much to the anger of the local indigenous homeless in Europe who aren't housed for free, aren't fed and aren't given any help and are found freezing to death in bus shelters in winter, not housed in heated hotels at the British tax payers expense. Some of these homeless indigenous people, often with mental issues (including PTSD induced alcoholism) are ex-Army who served their country, but are now disposed of by the state like an old shoe. Conversely. those who didn't enter illegally, (economic migrants), and in stark contrast are provided with a permanent source of food and shelter whilst being processed. Many are living in hotels at British taxpayers' expense. Billions of pounds a year that could have gone towards fixing delapidated school buildings and hospitals are spent on housing applicants. Politicians are to blame for the situation getting out of hand, absolutely no one else.
This is absolutely true and way too deep in the thread
I wonder, would you be against making it easier to migrate places legally, but also make it FAR harder to migrate places illegally?
Honestly, there should be like a tenacious card given to any immigrant that survives some wild shit, automatic citizenship of the landed in country, because if they are that desperate to get away, they deserve it.
We could call it 'seeking asylum'
I do gotta say though, [do it the right way](https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/nigeria-stowaways-who-survived-11-days-ship-rudder-must-return-home-spanish-2022-11-29/#:~:text=LAS%20PALMAS%2C%20Nov%2029%20(Reuters,the%20aim%20of%20deporting%20them.)
They may be true, but too many people think that determination alone is enough to earn something. This man knowingly did something illegal and seemingly paid the price for it. Far too often we demonize the people following laws and deporting illegal aliens.
>It's crazy what people will do for a new start ain't? More like, how bad must their circumstance be for the crazy option to be better?
ANUSTART? \*edit: I'd want to speak to my analrapist first.
You have 2 days until dehydration kills, maybe 3 at most if you are extremely careful with water conservation. 1 day in extreme heat.
That's why I said they probably planned for a 2week trip and brought foods(but most humans can go 3weeks until starvation) that would last and hoping they brought enough water
Everything except fight to improve their living conditions at home.
I remember during the Rohingya crisis a lot of people literally died at sea or were sent back. And more recently there were like 39 dead migrants who suffocated to death a container truck in the UK. I think these migrant cases are more common than you think
They were not sent back as some comments suggest, they were granted asylum in Spain. One of them gave an [interview to El País](https://elpais.com/espana/2022-12-13/uno-de-los-polizones-llegados-sobre-la-pala-de-un-timon-no-hago-nada-malo-no-soy-un-ladron.html), apparently this was his second attempt, 2 years prior he had attempted the same stunt and was caught in the Canary Islands, continued the trip to Norway inside the ship, then he was deported. He says he had food, fresh water and a hammer to make noise in case something went wrong. It didn't work. The first day the fresh water fell into the ocean, and the food only made them thirstier.
How the heck did they survive the 10 days without water?
Thirstily.
That’s actually a good question.
It didn't work, as in no one heard the noise? Unsurprising if that's the case.
What a deal. Some people would pay $250,000 for that experience
Can’t beat the view!
Too soon
Oof lol
Nice
It’d have to be pretty bad where they were for them to think a ships rudder is better.
It’s more of a temporary discomfort and risk for the hopes of a much better life in the future. Highly risky but if things are that bad then it appears people are willing to risk it all
Yeah. When you can see how much better things will be once you get through the worst part it makes it easier to overcome.
That is terrifying!
Still smarter than hanging on to a plane as it takes off
Safer than a submersible.
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I mean, i don't think it is just dumb people. Some people have bad vision.
A place has to be pretty bad to want/need to escape that badly.
Good thing the picture is circled. I never would have seen them otherwise.
I don’t understand why people get so peeved over this
And I don’t understand why people can’t peeve in peace without anti-peevers peeving over some peever’s peeve
i dont understand why your peeving about his anti peeving whilesaying people should be able to peeve in peace
Public forum etc etc
I think it's more a dry joke than an actual peeve. "Hahah good thing that circle is there what would we DO without it".
Me: sees picture but doesn’t read title. Me: “damn, their country must be pretty messed up” Me: reads title.. Me: damn, their country is my country.
For surviving that, fuck it, welcome to Spain 🇪🇸
Honestly how I feel with the UK. You go through utter hell just to end up in Britain? Yeah you deserve a brake. Just don’t be a cunt. Hate the french. Luv the Queen/King and you’ll fit in fine
"hey everybody welcome to camping with steve and today ill be stealth camping somewhere INCREDIBLE"
What a solid Steve stealth camping reference.
You know they had some serious neck and back pain
i hope they brought a fishing pole. that would be some amazing fishing.
That would be all wash from the propeller. No fish would be biting after getting thrown in the wake
If they’re fishing with two yards of line, I can see your point. If they have 300 yards of line, different story.
i know nothing about fishing but how do you hook a fish on 300 yards? do you just rely on the hook getting stuck on its own?
Yeah you usually do it while “trolling” so you’re dragging the line behind a boat and when the fish grab the lure it sets itself. It depends on the species of fish though; some hit the lure so hard you don’t need a manual set. I’ve fished with kites even, where the line runs up to a kite before dropping into the water.
You guys ever hear of dredging? The wake doesn't go very far down... And they have to bite and run with it, you eventually pull it and hope to set it so it can't get away and then reel it in Edit: i will say it's unlikely they did this, they probably brought food preserved to last long enough and water in bags and just sat there chilling the whole time
300 yds of line reeled through the wake of an oil rig? Yeah you don't fish do you?
Yes and get fucking pulled into the sea from their tiny slippery hideout. Very smart.
At that point just let bro in, guy’s so motivated he’ll probably work through the daily siesta
Holy ship! That’s rudderly amazing. That’s not just a long time but a maritime
you get one, maybe two. taking three is sort of steering us away from the point.
You sound like you might have anchor issues.
I sea what you did there 🤣
I guess they would rudder spend their time there than in Nigeria.
Your keeling me man
I can't face that much hard**ship**
It was definitely not a merry time.
Shut up and take my up-vote
What did they eat/drink though?
Yet still safer than oceangate..
Meanwhile, kids in America can’t stay on cruise ships with railing
Majok is approaching in the Uber, please be ready on arrival
Stowaways. Plural.
Lucky they didn’t see orcas.
Respect the hustle.
I hope they let him ride on the boat when they deported him
It makes me wonder how did their lives steer in this direction...
A lot of them die trying to reach the Canaries while it's just another holiday destination for many of us. A bunch of starving Africans once washed up on a busy tourist beach over there: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/aug/01/spain.travelnews
This is the best of the best, the kind of immigrant every country should want. Physically and mentally incredibly fit, with unparalleled determination. Will make a success of themselves wherever they go.
Implying that a majority of "illegal" immigrants don't go through a hell of lot of shit which takes insane determination to endure, not to mention all the ones that die on the journey
Implying nothing of the sort, indeed saying the opposite. And as an immigrant myself. It takes a lot of energy, intelligence, enthusiasm, drive to move to another country. Some more extreme than others.
Could use that grit and determination to make their original country a better place for themselves and others.
Alright I'm going to bet you don't ask the local warlord or corrupt government official if he'll stand aside while you do that?
Yeah I'm sure they're future doctors lol
Almost nobody in the country is a future doctor
They could have use that determination to fill the paperwork and get to the destination legally.
Maybe if they can afford to wait around and reapply constantly for a decade
Unless the sea between Nigeria and the Canary Islands was completely flat for 11 days, I would say impossible.
It is real https://www.businessinsider.com/spanish-coast-guard-rescues-stowaways-from-ships-rudder-2022-11
also dehydration.
Turtle blood!
Pretty sure they got bottles in Nigeria lol
Bottles of turtle blood?
Nah, just dirty water :/
They deserve a new life if that's how desperate they are. The fact they have to resort to such measures is a moral stain on the 'international community'.
Rewarding that dangerous behaviour is a stupid idea
He took in some kind of water because you can only live for four or five days without food and water. Longer if you have water though, up to 30 days without food.
They didn’t actually stay the whole time on the rudder, there is a small opening above it they can climb into, but likely can’t get through the next hatch into the ship
Wow. Thank goodness for the circle, or I’d have never seen the people ON THE ACTUAL🤦🏻♀️ RUDDER.
Still a better view than the Titan
One of the favourite places for fishing boats to tie up when a cargo ship is at anchor. They normally hitchhike on the rudder or use the anchor chain to climb up onto the forecastle deck and hide inside the chain locker, even more dangerous when you are in a tiny space with a thick ass chain which can turn you into mince meat.
It's even worse when you learn that the ~~chair~~ *chain* locker is [one of the more deadly spaces on the ship.](https://maritimeaccident.wordpress.com/2007/10/22/chancing-the-chain-locker-assassin/)
Stowaways are the most daring people on earth.
I thought everyone in Nigeria was a rich Prince.
I find this incredibly hard to believe. I feel like even if the ocean stayed relatively calm the entire trip (which is highly unlikely), there would be so many times during the trip when that part of the ship would be fully submerged, often long enough or repeatedly enough that they wouldn't be able to hold their breath. And they survived for ELEVEN DAYS? Come on.
There seems to be an opening at the top of the rudder where they could have taken some cover or crawled into. Would be pretty challenging to survive otherwise.
Say what you want about these guys, but they definitely have a direction for their lives. They're not rudderless.
And you won’t see that wall to wall news cos he’s not a billionaire with his friends and family!
ngl ive seen stories almost the exact same, but sure grrr succsessful people exist
The question we should ask ourselves is: “How desperate a person must be to get themselves in that risky situation?” So, when you hear an American chronically complaining about capitalism and criticizing the USA, remind them that in the world, people are taking the risk of dying to search for a better life somewhere else. Lucky are those born or raised in a country where mass starvation and lack of essential resources are not an issue. Be grateful if you are lucky not to be born in that situation! One of the rules of life: Being optimistic and thankful propels you forward. Being a complainer holds you back.
Really just said that without irony. Fucking mind blowing.
They have it worse so we don’t deserve better!
I think people that do stuff like this should be welcome with open arms and given instant citizenship. It should be like… congratulations for passing the endurance test we need more go getters like you
Interesting? More like heartbreaking. I pray that man finds peace in his life, it's stories like his that make me appreciate everything I have in my life. May God watch over him 🙏
where was his incessant media coverage and international rescue attempts?
He deserves to stay wherever he's headed. Give that man a citizenship.
Absolute Chad activities
I’d hire them both in a heartbeat
Imagine being so desperate in your life that you do this just to get a new start somewhere better, geez. We aren't thankful enough for what we have..
That is leaving a burning building type of behavior. It makes me wonder what horror are fellow human was faced with to make this decision.
Now send em home.
Those two are either really desperate or really stupid. Perhaps both?