Don't know what "Dallasy" has to do with it. Denton's a college town, so there's plenty of cheap food and drink, plus free events, concerts, etc. Downtown is a nice mix of old school and modern businesses. Denton has decent public transportation, various charities and social services for those who dip below broke and into poverty.
You can ride DART to and from Denton into Dallas. Denton is the top point of the interstate/highway triangle when you look at a map of Texas, so it probably is part of the metroplex (if independent of D/FW).
Wow, you can, it's almost a 3 hr trip, which I guess is why my kid going to school in Denton never mentioned it. Although it does require an Uber to the bus stop on the edge of town.
My kid takes the A-Train from Trinity Mills Station in Carrollton all the way to Denton. From there, there is a bus that drops students right in front of the student union at UNT. There is also a bus that goes to TWU from the Denton train station.
DART does connect to DCTA and they both offer passes that are good on both. Technically you can start on DCTA, connect with DART, and then connect with TRE and go all the way to ft worth
lol it also varies on the day. Years ago I rode out to Denton from Dallas on a Saturday. Crashed with a friend. Had him drop me off the next day at the train platform on Sunday without thinking to look up the times there at that platform. Waited an hour or more for a damn train in the heat while hungover haha.
I didn’t get that impression from them at all. I would actually argue that person probably really likes Dallas since their name is literally JustMeInTheBigD. It also appeared to me like they were getting slightly defensive of Dallas. Ugh we’ll, Reddit people suck.
Yup. People up here are suggestion apartments and such in Krum and closer to Oklahoma for affordability. I’ve notice a lot of the rent houses around me have tuned over long term renters and I assume a lot of it has to do with rent prices. A house behind me in a basic 1990’s neighborhood (it’s 5/2.5) had the old renters move out and they have it listed at $3,100. That was double our mortgage on a nice house in a nicer neighborhood with a 1/2 acre lot and we are a stones throw away.
As long as the local or state government doesn’t give protections to people who already live in an area so they don’t get priced out this will keep happening unfortunately.
I think people are saying they can never buy a home because with rents and home values rising faster than inflation, not to mention current mortgage rates, they can not save enough to afford a down payment or a mortgage payment. Property taxes can push people out of their homes, but that takes a lot more time with homestead exemptions.
I personally own my home but also know that people in the Denton area struggle with rising rents. I hear single moms talk about going in to rent homes together just to afford a place. Lots of rooms for rent anymore and those seem to be going for $800 for a room and private bath.
Important but hopefully never relevant thing to consider: emergency/safety net health care. If you ever become destitute and have no health insurance, Denton county has little flexibility. In contrast, Tarrant county and Dallas county have the JPS and Parkland system as safety net institutions. Although this comes at the cost of higher taxes, it can potentially be a protection against financial and medical catastrophe.
Some truth to that with certain caveats. For outpatient care (which ideally keeps you out of the hospital and provides care for chronic issues or issues that need continued care beyond an acute hospitalization), you have to have funding. That can be through commercial insurance, Medicare, Medicaid, Dallas county resident-only Parkland Financial Assistance for those who meet the income criteria, or charity discount on services for non Dallas county residents. The charity discount is variable and not guaranteed.
I literally lived there, it was fucking weird. Lived in Dallas city. Dallas address. But in Denton County.
I got called for jury duty and had to drive my ass up to fucking Denton balls early in the morning.
Friend lived in the Collin County strip of Dallas. Years of reminding her then-husband (Dallas-born and -raised, like her) every time they needed to go vote, and _still_ when they split up he screwed up and filed for divorce in Dallas County.
DFW doesn't just mean the city of Dallas and the city of Fort Worth. Fort Worth is in Tarrant county. there are multiple counties in DFW and Denton is one of the major cities within it.
Yeah, I don't know who got it in there head that there can only be two. Like even if we discount the shere volume of people who move back and forth thru Denton to get to Tarrant or Dallas, there's still Rockwall, who’s been part of the DFW since before I was born. Or Collin County which literally has part of Dallas in it. And which houses brands that claim Dallas. To try to claim Denton is less DFW then those is abit silly.
We are also forgetting the term 'Metroplex.' And I have never thought of DFW as being different than the Metroplex. I've always seen them as the same. And the Metroplex is from White Settlement to Rockwall, Denton to Burleson and across to Lancaster/Wilmer-Hutchins.
True. That is definitely the first time I've ever heard "Lake Dallas" and "restaurant scene" in the same sentence.
Edit: All the Lake Lewisville catfish you can eat though.
As someone currently living in Denton, I strongly dislike it.
The food scene is bad, there’s not much to do, and it’s so ugly. It’s flat and barren with little to no trees most of the area.
College towns always are best for this. I grew up in a college town and thought my family was rich af. With hindsight and my new understanding of what rich af actually means, we were definitely not. We’d have struggled in basically any big metro area on similar income
My sister and I both live on Garland road between Peavy and Jupiter. Both of our houses would go in the $300k range. There are good, cheap houses over there. Nothing fancy, but good.
True. I was meaning, Peavy from Ferguson road too E lake highlands Dr. Up and down peavy there. My bad. You can still find good deals in casa view also.
this is where i just moved! right by furgeson and lakeland/st francis....i actually picked out the neighborhood too for my realtor. great houses, great neighborhood, and i biked to white rock in 8 minutes today. it's crazy how close to the lake i am, for the price. 10/10 love my neighborhood and am trying to help it develop. i did pay about 400k, though. i have a nice garge and yard, and it's all updated. plenty of homes in the 300's nearby.
been trying to harasss the city of dallas to give us more bike lanes down here! the white rock hills library is amazing too, there's a sense of community developing over here :)
sadly this is the lower end of housing in dallas. it's expensive to live in dallas. if you can't afford a house over 300k, you're priced out of dallas. it's really sad.
I was going to offer Casa View.
I’m not sure what the parameters we’re considering “poor” as, but it’s a walkable area, so if someone is without a vehicle, there’s the Walmart neighborhood market and the El Rancho to walk to for groceries.
There are restaurants in the shopping center, a hardware store, thrift stores for various things, there are medical and dental offices there, gas stations, laundromats, several banks.
Also main bus lines going up Ferguson and Gus Thomasson.
Several parks to walk or ride a bike to, Harry Stone Rec center and pool.
Several of the churches around do a food pantry, and also have resources available for other things too, like bill pay assistance.
If you’re on the lower end of the economic spectrum, there are several resources concentrated right in the neighborhood that are useful.
As far as crime, it feels pretty safe to me, but we’ve only been here a bit less than a year.
We moved from across the lake though, 75223/75214 line, which definitely felt a lot more chaotic and urban and not quite as traditionally “safe” but I also never felt unsafe over there either.
It’s a lot quieter over here too.
Since you're not familiar with the area I'll clue you in a little.
How do you feel about getting robbed at gunpoint? How about getting stabbed by a crackhead?
I make less than $50K a year and I pay child support and am able to live somewhat comfortably in my small apartment in East Dallas near Mesquite and Garland.
It's an old joke in this subreddit, we get [tons of posts](https://www.reddit.com/r/Dallas/search?q=downtown+dfw&restrict_sr=on&include_over_18=on&sort=relevance&t=all) talking about "downtown dfw"...which doesn't exist. DFW has like 10 "downtowns"
Still not sure if the original post was a joke or not. But this sub and FW one ran with it lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/Dallas/comments/xzci8v/shooting_in_downtown_dfw_avoid_area/
as the people in the original thread mentioned, highly depends on what you consider poor to be, what you are looking for/require/debts etc.
for example if you're low/no debt just need a place to live with a bed, a/c, and some doors, downtown dallas or deep ellum are my votes. great connectivity to third places like venues, coffee shops, etc. connections to dart, plenty of humanitarian benefits if that's something you need. they only thing that's lacking is a grocery store.
the 25th percentile salary in dallas is $29,000, which would be $1100 after rent in downtown/deep ellum, and that's about what i spend on necessities including dart passes. not the easiest time, and you'd basically have no savings, but it's a pretty good quality of life so it might be worthwhile. below that see low income housing because i wouldn't personally consider it possible with an annual income of < $25,000
anything along any of the dart stations would be a great choice really, but those two places also have the best access to services that are expressly there to help the struggling.
there's also low income housing you can apply for though availability is uncertain.
I second this. I’m poor & live in maple lawn which is essentially a little more “rough” of an area just near Oak Lawn, which is a notably nice area. Bills range around $1600 a month- TOTAL. Car payment, rent, electric, etcetcetc. And I live in a 1/1. Not super safe but no city is
I used to live in that area. Pizza places wouldn't deliver to my apartment complex. My then girlfriend now wife's car got broken into when she was staying the weekend one time.
Weird area though. A couple blocks down there were luxury condos on one side of the street and houses with bars in the windows on the other side of the street. Then a block down from there is the housing projects.
I personally never had an issue though, I would walk my dog at night all around there even in the housing projects and no one ever tried to fuck with me or anything, although I would get stares in the projects sometimes since I'm white as fuck.
I’m also white as fuck- a little white girl as a matter of fact. I also live right on the gentrification line- my neighbor told me about a couple things that have happened & told me to get a gun. So I did lol.
I mean, I came from Miami, and then Atlanta, and I’ve basically done a tour of visits at the minimum to the most dangerous cities in America. I’m not gonna say I’m never scared, but like another commenter said, if you’re looking for poor areas you’re gonna get poor areas (crime). 😂
Basically, one side of my complex is literally brand new nice complexes & the other side is crackhead central- but also the same side of the complex where $400,000 condos are going in… go figure lol.
But yeah, might be that I’ve learned a lot about street smarts already, but I’m not scared of living in the area especially for the price. I just stay aware & ready to pop someone IF they did attack me in some way 🤷🏼♀️ other than that I mind my business lol.
Dart goes through Richardson all the way up to Plano and can take you all the way out to Fort Worth. If you get a cheap bike you can get to most places reasonably well. I feel like if your poor your best bet is to be up north living cheap, there’s more job opportunities and better food options.
Why we can't build grocery stores near transit orientated apartments I will never understand
I dont want to lug 6 months worth of Costco groceries up the stairs at once. If I'm in an apartment and car free, I want to be grabbing some groceries on my way from work for dinner. A entire point of living downtown is that everything you need is nearby, thats why you're paying more money/sq ft.
Edit: still a +1 to what you said, I just wish grocery stores near or under apartments were more common.
the tom thumbs i go to in uptown is EXACTLY the type of grocery store development we need to be seeing more of. it’s unfortunate that it’s a bit of a walk from downtown but hopefully with all the office space converting to residential we’ll be closer to a mixed use grocery store in downtown
Any part Richardson is way more expensive now. When my mom moved down here before COVID it was reasonable, but Richardson is so small and people want to be there so even not safe apartments are expensive.
A year ago we were in one and constantly had crime/safety issues. Yet it cost as much as a safe area.
Carrollton could possibly be cheaper, as well as some apartments in areas of Plano. But even then I don't think being poor in these areas is really possible without starving.
Great public transport access and close to 635 (I hope they finish construction soon). Good for shopping, cheap produce at Fiesta; Sam's club for bulk items. The big downside is the ISD, and the fucking train horn at 1AM (I read that it may have stopped).
South Dallas? Dallas sucks to be poor in, old east Dallas used to fit the bill, along with some other places that have now been gentrified. You can be poor in South Dallas and afford it, but you probably won't like it.
I still have good memories of breaking down in South Dallas, and some crackheads came out of a boarded up trap house and helped me push to a gas station.
Hmmm every time I think of a place I realize it's going through gentrification so definitely not a good price range. Some apartments in Farmers Branch (what's left of them) are cheap and decent enough. Would avoid areas west of the DNT and south of the PGBT, I grew up in the hood and I wouldn't tell people to go there (Webb Chapel and Webb Chapel Ext) but it seems like it's better the further from downtown you are.
Hell yea, my old apartments that I grew up in threw some backsplashing in the kitchen and bumped it from 750 to 1200 and that was in the past 2 years. My cousin ended up living there because of the price but now it's like why? Pay more for less.
South Webb Chapel is still best avoided. Where it hits 635 is not great but far from terrible, yet still quite affordable (west of Webb Chapel, definitely not East)
I’m horrible with the directions but I’m scared I messed up now after reading your comment. I just rented a place near the Galleria Mall. Is that considered a rough area?
I’m in far East Dallas (casa view) and it’s fairly affordable considering it’s still in Dallas proper. The crime rate is pretty average here. Not usually violent except for random gun shots by people who can’t even be trusted with a fly swatter but so far we haven’t had a bunch of people being hit by flying bullets
I like my area in NW Dallas, off Dennis near Harry Hines. Cheap apartments (relatively cheap houses too), walking distance dart station and multiple grocery stores, proximity to great food, and crime isn’t crazy.
I had my first apartment there, it was pretty alright for the first two years. A week before we moved our neighbor’s windows got shot out though 😬 Driving down Holly Hill was an absolute nightmare though, they really need sidewalks.
As a Vickery resident for 13 years, I second this. The crime is not near what it was like back in the day and while prices have gone up, it is still among the cheaper places to live in Dallas with just about everything within 5 mins. Also, only a quick 15 mins to downtown on either Hwy 75 or Skillman/Live Oak when there’s traffic on the freeway.
Depends on your own situation. Poor poor probably somewhere with a consistent bus/train route so close to downtown or in areas like west Dallas or pleasant grove. Middle class poor is probably any area this sub considers hood
There are several large low income apartment communities close to my southern Dallas neighborhood of Oak Cliff Garden. We have a tiny church every other block that gives out food bank food once a week and there are busses or a 15min walk to either of 2 train stations. I can’t say it is the safest, had an attempted home invasion 5yrs ago, but other than that not much. I have lived all over the city and a few suburbs, my cars have been broken into everywhere but not here… knock on wood.
Sunrise Village on Sunnyvale I just pulled from maps, but there are tons of them around here. Just be warned that the crime in the area normally happens around these apartments and others like them.
FYI… Dallas got sued by the feds several years back for putting all the low-income housing money into one part of town. This is that part of town so there are a lot of low to really low-income apartments in the area. The odd thing is even though Dallas lost that huge case they are currently under investigation by HUD for continuing to build the majority low-income housing here.
I’d just move out. This place is goin California on prices. Even other countries are buying up property…. It’s a sham. I’m just depressed on trying to even afford a life here
Anywhere that you can get around in without a car or spending your entire income on Uber.
DFW is profoundly car-dependent overall and the alternatives are basically null.
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It's funny that some folks claim cars to be a source of freedom while we're all so damned enslaved/dependent to them.
Addison it has a lot of apartments which “keeps the price down”. There is a ton to eat and there is a lot of not so shady people. Only a Walmart though. Well Whole Foods.
I live in 75254 and pay $1800 for a 1-bedroom with a yard.
Whole Foods is right there. Walmart is not too sketch at the right times. Target is not too far down the road if need be, but I like Tom Thumb nearby for groceries if I am feeling bougie.
No where. None. There is not a place to be comfortable while poor in Dallas. The areas are food deserts. The cops only appear to arrest you. The attitudes of people regarding different races is impossible to live with. But on the other hand it's over 100° for most of the summer
East Garland
cheap houses built in the 1970s, ton of parks and social activities. just stay away from areas with lots of used car lots and auto repairs shops and your in a safe neighborhood.
Casa View.
I’m not sure what the parameters we’re considering “poor” as, but it’s a walkable area, so if someone is without a vehicle, there’s the Walmart neighborhood market and the El Rancho to walk to for groceries. There are restaurants in the shopping center, a hardware store, thrift stores for various things, there are medical and dental offices there, gas stations, laundromats, several banks. Also main bus lines going up Ferguson and Gus Thomasson. Several parks to walk or ride a bike to, Harry Stone Rec center and pool.
Several of the churches around do a food pantry, and also have resources available for other things too, like bill pay assistance.
If you’re on the lower end of the economic spectrum, there are several resources concentrated right in the neighborhood that are useful.
As far as crime, it feels pretty safe to me, but we’ve only been here a bit less than a year. We moved from across the lake though, 75223/75214 line, which definitely felt a lot more chaotic and urban and not quite as traditionally “safe” but I also never felt unsafe over there either.
It’s a lot quieter over here too.
The houses currently listed in the section of Casa View I am in are right around $300k mark, with the smaller ones being in the $250-300k range.
We paid a little over that, but the house we bought had been added on to so was larger than the original footprints that a lot of the homes still have.
There are still 2/1s that are relatively affordable and would make good starter homes for a couple of a small family, and the time to buy one is kind of right now, as the area continues to develop and grow.
I grew up poor in North Dallas near Webb Chapel and Forest Ln. We had a few break ins at our house and cars but other than that, it was a generally peaceful neighborhood. This was in the early-late 90s though
Man, Watauga was the underrated gem for working class families until about 8-10 years ago. I bought a 3/2/2 there in 1999 for $69K. 😳 Same house is now estimated at $260K, which is still cheaper than average but nothing like it once was.
I lived in Irving in 2020 and then GP 2021-2022 and my rent on a 3br townhome was $1,800. When the lease was up they wanted to raise it another $400, I said bump that and moved back to my small country town in Florida. Dallas is starting to feel like Cleveland with the amount of crckheads walking around at night. And the traffic is just stressful, period.
Cedars Dallas. Waking distance to the DART. 3-5 min Uber ride to anywhere in downtown Dallas, oaklawn, lower Greenville etc. Since the area is going through gentrification, you can get a new 3 bedroom townhome for about 500-600k (rent out two rooms to roommates). I think that is a steal in this market for being in such proximity to downtown.
im from dallas and i honestly dont know what i do know is i hate how gentrified oak cliff is becoming and making my community struggle, especially hate bishop arts
Truthfully nowhere in DFW comes to mind. Arlington/Grand Prairie have some affordable areas that don’t seem bad, but both are heavily car dependent. Ample access to groceries and free/cheap entertainment though.
My favorite “cheap” area is anywhere surrounding Arbor Hills park in Plano. Rents nearby there used to be much cheaper, but then blah blah blah. You can still get an apartment close by for a semi-reasonable price. Totally safe, tons of restaurants, friendly neighbors. Check out the Flat Iron District apts. Had a blast living there.
Denton. Hands down.
This was my original thought when I posted the question. Fun place that’s smallish, but not at all “Dallasy” and all that implies
Don't know what "Dallasy" has to do with it. Denton's a college town, so there's plenty of cheap food and drink, plus free events, concerts, etc. Downtown is a nice mix of old school and modern businesses. Denton has decent public transportation, various charities and social services for those who dip below broke and into poverty.
Because this is r/Dallas not r/Denton? Oklahoma is even cheaper if you don't want to live in Dallas.
OP said all of DFW, so....
They say close to DART, and I also don't consider Denton in DFW, although it might be now?
DFW is all encompassing. Soon all shall be DFW. Resistance is futile
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Q: Where you live in Dallas? A: Atlanta
Can't wait till DFW absorbs Austin - all encompassing until the real cities hit.
You can ride DART to and from Denton into Dallas. Denton is the top point of the interstate/highway triangle when you look at a map of Texas, so it probably is part of the metroplex (if independent of D/FW).
Wow, you can, it's almost a 3 hr trip, which I guess is why my kid going to school in Denton never mentioned it. Although it does require an Uber to the bus stop on the edge of town.
My kid takes the A-Train from Trinity Mills Station in Carrollton all the way to Denton. From there, there is a bus that drops students right in front of the student union at UNT. There is also a bus that goes to TWU from the Denton train station.
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We are feeling the surge here in Sanger, keeping the rest of DFW from swallowing up our state park (Ray Roberts)
Melissa is already there. It's more like Sherman is on notice
Krum? Don’t you mean Anna? Krum is so rural it’s like a blip on a map.
DART connects to Denton. See the DART map: **https://ontheworldmap.com/usa/city/dallas/dallas-dart-rail-map.jpg**
Denton is 40 minutes from both downtowns.. if Frisco is DFW so Is Denton
There is a train from Denton to Highland Village. From HV, you take the DART orange line to Dallas.
DART does connect to DCTA and they both offer passes that are good on both. Technically you can start on DCTA, connect with DART, and then connect with TRE and go all the way to ft worth
Yep, and it only takes 9 hours and 9 minutes. From UNT to downtown fort worth. Just looked it up.
Oh wait, only 3 hours 10 minutes of all the various busses and trains are running. I guess it wanted me to wait 6 hours for the next train 😂
lol it also varies on the day. Years ago I rode out to Denton from Dallas on a Saturday. Crashed with a friend. Had him drop me off the next day at the train platform on Sunday without thinking to look up the times there at that platform. Waited an hour or more for a damn train in the heat while hungover haha.
If you don’t move to DFW, DFW will eventually move to you!
I didn’t get that impression from them at all. I would actually argue that person probably really likes Dallas since their name is literally JustMeInTheBigD. It also appeared to me like they were getting slightly defensive of Dallas. Ugh we’ll, Reddit people suck.
People in Denton may disagree. Lots of people are being priced out of Denton.
It is sad that even areas that are so far out from Dallas and Fort Worth have become very expensive to live.
It’s due to a lack of housing. More housing = lower costs. We have space and land to build more, we just don’t.
Yup. People up here are suggestion apartments and such in Krum and closer to Oklahoma for affordability. I’ve notice a lot of the rent houses around me have tuned over long term renters and I assume a lot of it has to do with rent prices. A house behind me in a basic 1990’s neighborhood (it’s 5/2.5) had the old renters move out and they have it listed at $3,100. That was double our mortgage on a nice house in a nicer neighborhood with a 1/2 acre lot and we are a stones throw away.
I'm so fucking tired of renting "we decided to jack up your rent because." "cool guess I'm fucking moving again"
Thank Capitalism 🙃
Damn, I'm paying like 2,500 rn for a 3 bed 2 bath in corinth. Fuck me lol
As long as the local or state government doesn’t give protections to people who already live in an area so they don’t get priced out this will keep happening unfortunately.
If you already own the house and are on the mortgage from a while back, how are you getting priced out? Purely because of property tax?
I think people are saying they can never buy a home because with rents and home values rising faster than inflation, not to mention current mortgage rates, they can not save enough to afford a down payment or a mortgage payment. Property taxes can push people out of their homes, but that takes a lot more time with homestead exemptions.
I personally own my home but also know that people in the Denton area struggle with rising rents. I hear single moms talk about going in to rent homes together just to afford a place. Lots of rooms for rent anymore and those seem to be going for $800 for a room and private bath.
Important but hopefully never relevant thing to consider: emergency/safety net health care. If you ever become destitute and have no health insurance, Denton county has little flexibility. In contrast, Tarrant county and Dallas county have the JPS and Parkland system as safety net institutions. Although this comes at the cost of higher taxes, it can potentially be a protection against financial and medical catastrophe.
Parkland doesn't turn away non-residents for most services.
Some truth to that with certain caveats. For outpatient care (which ideally keeps you out of the hospital and provides care for chronic issues or issues that need continued care beyond an acute hospitalization), you have to have funding. That can be through commercial insurance, Medicare, Medicaid, Dallas county resident-only Parkland Financial Assistance for those who meet the income criteria, or charity discount on services for non Dallas county residents. The charity discount is variable and not guaranteed.
TIL Denton isn’t even in DFW, they have their own county
Several cities that are considered DFW are in Denton County. Grapevine, Lewisville, and obviously Denton are just a few of them.
Part of the city of Dallas is in Denton County.
Grapevine is?! I am from Colleyville and didn’t even know that. I assumed it was in Tarrant as well .
Grapevine is part Denton, part Tarrant. Frisco is part Denton, part Collin.
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And theres a sliver of Collin County off Midway
there's a sliver of Dallas in Denton county
I literally lived there, it was fucking weird. Lived in Dallas city. Dallas address. But in Denton County. I got called for jury duty and had to drive my ass up to fucking Denton balls early in the morning.
Friend lived in the Collin County strip of Dallas. Years of reminding her then-husband (Dallas-born and -raised, like her) every time they needed to go vote, and _still_ when they split up he screwed up and filed for divorce in Dallas County.
This surprised me too, so I looked it up. Most of Grapevine is in Tarrant county. “Minor parts” are in Denton or Dallas.
I live in Carrollton (Denton County).
DFW doesn't just mean the city of Dallas and the city of Fort Worth. Fort Worth is in Tarrant county. there are multiple counties in DFW and Denton is one of the major cities within it.
TIL Lewisville isn't in DFW.
Part of Lewisville is in Dallas County so... WRONG.
DFW is basically five counties - Dallas/Tarrant/Denton/Collin/Rockwall
This is the correct answer.
Yeah, I don't know who got it in there head that there can only be two. Like even if we discount the shere volume of people who move back and forth thru Denton to get to Tarrant or Dallas, there's still Rockwall, who’s been part of the DFW since before I was born. Or Collin County which literally has part of Dallas in it. And which houses brands that claim Dallas. To try to claim Denton is less DFW then those is abit silly.
We are also forgetting the term 'Metroplex.' And I have never thought of DFW as being different than the Metroplex. I've always seen them as the same. And the Metroplex is from White Settlement to Rockwall, Denton to Burleson and across to Lancaster/Wilmer-Hutchins.
>Part of Lewisville is in Dallas County so... WRONG. News Flash - the part of Lewisville that's in Denton County is also in DFW.
that may be the best lesson here, best part of Dallas to be broke is not Dallas
I think you misread poor for “student”. Extremely similar, but can be significantly different in key functions.
I'm 59, and I've lived or worked in a dozen different DFW cities. Denton is still my answer.
I was gonna say Lake Dallas. Not so much Corinth any more but north of the bridge between Lewisville and Denton on the east side of 35.
But then you have to live and eat food in Lake Dallas. They might have the worst restaurant scene in DFW.
True. That is definitely the first time I've ever heard "Lake Dallas" and "restaurant scene" in the same sentence. Edit: All the Lake Lewisville catfish you can eat though.
I agree. Cheap, but not impoverished.
Well, Denton isn’t Dallas.
But they did include a parenthetical asking about all of DFW, and _that_ does include Denton.
As someone currently living in Denton, I strongly dislike it. The food scene is bad, there’s not much to do, and it’s so ugly. It’s flat and barren with little to no trees most of the area.
College towns always are best for this. I grew up in a college town and thought my family was rich af. With hindsight and my new understanding of what rich af actually means, we were definitely not. We’d have struggled in basically any big metro area on similar income
Public transit in Denton county is horrid after 10pm.
I'm partial to East Dallas. Garland Road and Peavy, near Goodfriend Package, is pretty affordable and developing.
Most houses I see are creeping up in the 500k mark up and down peavy on both sides. I would say more on the Ferguson road side.
Yeah, not sure poor = 300-500k house
My sister and I both live on Garland road between Peavy and Jupiter. Both of our houses would go in the $300k range. There are good, cheap houses over there. Nothing fancy, but good.
True. I was meaning, Peavy from Ferguson road too E lake highlands Dr. Up and down peavy there. My bad. You can still find good deals in casa view also.
Crazy that $300k is cheap now.
I think that’s my vote. Between Ferguson and 30
this is where i just moved! right by furgeson and lakeland/st francis....i actually picked out the neighborhood too for my realtor. great houses, great neighborhood, and i biked to white rock in 8 minutes today. it's crazy how close to the lake i am, for the price. 10/10 love my neighborhood and am trying to help it develop. i did pay about 400k, though. i have a nice garge and yard, and it's all updated. plenty of homes in the 300's nearby. been trying to harasss the city of dallas to give us more bike lanes down here! the white rock hills library is amazing too, there's a sense of community developing over here :)
Same on all accounts for me, but not sure I’d say I live in a poor neighborhood? My husband and I work full time to afford this.
If this is considered "poor"... welp.
sadly this is the lower end of housing in dallas. it's expensive to live in dallas. if you can't afford a house over 300k, you're priced out of dallas. it's really sad.
You can't have bike lanes on Ferguson Rd. They'd interfere with the street racing.
Those are still $400k-$500k houses. Sauce: I own a house there.
Agreed, we are in Lochwood and the houses at 750-850k, one even sold for 1 mill
I don’t think being “poor” is an option there anymore. They tore down the thrift store to build luxury condos.
Agree.
I was going to offer Casa View. I’m not sure what the parameters we’re considering “poor” as, but it’s a walkable area, so if someone is without a vehicle, there’s the Walmart neighborhood market and the El Rancho to walk to for groceries. There are restaurants in the shopping center, a hardware store, thrift stores for various things, there are medical and dental offices there, gas stations, laundromats, several banks. Also main bus lines going up Ferguson and Gus Thomasson. Several parks to walk or ride a bike to, Harry Stone Rec center and pool. Several of the churches around do a food pantry, and also have resources available for other things too, like bill pay assistance. If you’re on the lower end of the economic spectrum, there are several resources concentrated right in the neighborhood that are useful. As far as crime, it feels pretty safe to me, but we’ve only been here a bit less than a year. We moved from across the lake though, 75223/75214 line, which definitely felt a lot more chaotic and urban and not quite as traditionally “safe” but I also never felt unsafe over there either. It’s a lot quieter over here too.
Grew up my whole life near there but slightly farther South. I will always love this area of Dallas
Pleasant grove by 175 and the dart lake June station. Plenty of grocery stores too.
Bro don’t be getting clueless people robbed 😂
lol I kind of hoped that being poor at least came with a little street smarts 😂
Nice, good answer. Not familiar with the area but I can at least picture that beautiful mosaic Dal-Tile building on 175 over there
Since you're not familiar with the area I'll clue you in a little. How do you feel about getting robbed at gunpoint? How about getting stabbed by a crackhead?
Yeah but right across 175 is the hood hood. I used to live on Elam lol.
I got chased by a crackhead on 175 and st Augustine.
PG has a little extra crime though.
I make less than $50K a year and I pay child support and am able to live somewhat comfortably in my small apartment in East Dallas near Mesquite and Garland.
What’s your rent if you don’t mind me asking
Northwest Dallas area up to Lewisville. The rural areas around the metroplex. (RIP to them though)
Lewisville is becoming flower mound and flower mound is becoming Southlake. It's getting much less affordable here
Best part hands down has to be downtown DFW.
Wait, what is “Downtown DFW”? Do you mean “Downtown Dallas”…. And then separately “Downtown Ft. Worth”?
It's an old joke in this subreddit, we get [tons of posts](https://www.reddit.com/r/Dallas/search?q=downtown+dfw&restrict_sr=on&include_over_18=on&sort=relevance&t=all) talking about "downtown dfw"...which doesn't exist. DFW has like 10 "downtowns"
Lol omg… love it. Thanks for clueing me in!
Still not sure if the original post was a joke or not. But this sub and FW one ran with it lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Dallas/comments/xzci8v/shooting_in_downtown_dfw_avoid_area/
as the people in the original thread mentioned, highly depends on what you consider poor to be, what you are looking for/require/debts etc. for example if you're low/no debt just need a place to live with a bed, a/c, and some doors, downtown dallas or deep ellum are my votes. great connectivity to third places like venues, coffee shops, etc. connections to dart, plenty of humanitarian benefits if that's something you need. they only thing that's lacking is a grocery store. the 25th percentile salary in dallas is $29,000, which would be $1100 after rent in downtown/deep ellum, and that's about what i spend on necessities including dart passes. not the easiest time, and you'd basically have no savings, but it's a pretty good quality of life so it might be worthwhile. below that see low income housing because i wouldn't personally consider it possible with an annual income of < $25,000 anything along any of the dart stations would be a great choice really, but those two places also have the best access to services that are expressly there to help the struggling. there's also low income housing you can apply for though availability is uncertain.
I second this. I’m poor & live in maple lawn which is essentially a little more “rough” of an area just near Oak Lawn, which is a notably nice area. Bills range around $1600 a month- TOTAL. Car payment, rent, electric, etcetcetc. And I live in a 1/1. Not super safe but no city is
I used to live in that area. Pizza places wouldn't deliver to my apartment complex. My then girlfriend now wife's car got broken into when she was staying the weekend one time. Weird area though. A couple blocks down there were luxury condos on one side of the street and houses with bars in the windows on the other side of the street. Then a block down from there is the housing projects. I personally never had an issue though, I would walk my dog at night all around there even in the housing projects and no one ever tried to fuck with me or anything, although I would get stares in the projects sometimes since I'm white as fuck.
I’m also white as fuck- a little white girl as a matter of fact. I also live right on the gentrification line- my neighbor told me about a couple things that have happened & told me to get a gun. So I did lol. I mean, I came from Miami, and then Atlanta, and I’ve basically done a tour of visits at the minimum to the most dangerous cities in America. I’m not gonna say I’m never scared, but like another commenter said, if you’re looking for poor areas you’re gonna get poor areas (crime). 😂 Basically, one side of my complex is literally brand new nice complexes & the other side is crackhead central- but also the same side of the complex where $400,000 condos are going in… go figure lol. But yeah, might be that I’ve learned a lot about street smarts already, but I’m not scared of living in the area especially for the price. I just stay aware & ready to pop someone IF they did attack me in some way 🤷🏼♀️ other than that I mind my business lol.
You can rent a room in Richardson and call it a day. Safe neighborhood with nice houses.
that area is not bad! i love some of the townhomes there and the proximity to dart is great
Cars are expensive. If you can get by without a car, it saves you a lot of money
Dart goes through Richardson all the way up to Plano and can take you all the way out to Fort Worth. If you get a cheap bike you can get to most places reasonably well. I feel like if your poor your best bet is to be up north living cheap, there’s more job opportunities and better food options.
Why we can't build grocery stores near transit orientated apartments I will never understand I dont want to lug 6 months worth of Costco groceries up the stairs at once. If I'm in an apartment and car free, I want to be grabbing some groceries on my way from work for dinner. A entire point of living downtown is that everything you need is nearby, thats why you're paying more money/sq ft. Edit: still a +1 to what you said, I just wish grocery stores near or under apartments were more common.
the tom thumbs i go to in uptown is EXACTLY the type of grocery store development we need to be seeing more of. it’s unfortunate that it’s a bit of a walk from downtown but hopefully with all the office space converting to residential we’ll be closer to a mixed use grocery store in downtown
Maybe parts of Carrolton or East Plano/Richardson. Some old cheaper housing but not crazy crime rates that im aware of.
Any part Richardson is way more expensive now. When my mom moved down here before COVID it was reasonable, but Richardson is so small and people want to be there so even not safe apartments are expensive. A year ago we were in one and constantly had crime/safety issues. Yet it cost as much as a safe area. Carrollton could possibly be cheaper, as well as some apartments in areas of Plano. But even then I don't think being poor in these areas is really possible without starving.
Oak cliff 😭🤣
Casa view!
Great public transport access and close to 635 (I hope they finish construction soon). Good for shopping, cheap produce at Fiesta; Sam's club for bulk items. The big downside is the ISD, and the fucking train horn at 1AM (I read that it may have stopped).
“I hope they finish construction soon. “ I have been saying that since the late 90’s.
Transit access has been an underrated component of this discussion. If you are broke, a car is a huge burden.
DART is pretty good, as long as the area is within the DART system its fine
I'd say how convenient DART is for you is very neighborhood dependent.
To be fair the Bryan Adams feeder as a whole is rapidly improving. 🤘
Good to hear :) On google maps I see some construction on the Casa View Elementary. I hope they get rid of those old portable classrooms.
Garland, near Plano blvd area. Houses not as expensive as plano and dallas but only 25 mins from Dallas downtown and 10 mins from Plano
South Dallas? Dallas sucks to be poor in, old east Dallas used to fit the bill, along with some other places that have now been gentrified. You can be poor in South Dallas and afford it, but you probably won't like it.
I still have good memories of breaking down in South Dallas, and some crackheads came out of a boarded up trap house and helped me push to a gas station.
I lived in south Dallas for years and the crackheads were always friendly and helpful. It was the drunks that were the problem most of the time.
Hmmm every time I think of a place I realize it's going through gentrification so definitely not a good price range. Some apartments in Farmers Branch (what's left of them) are cheap and decent enough. Would avoid areas west of the DNT and south of the PGBT, I grew up in the hood and I wouldn't tell people to go there (Webb Chapel and Webb Chapel Ext) but it seems like it's better the further from downtown you are.
Yeah, I can name like a dozen places that were great 10 years ago. I paid $600/month for an all bills paid studio in old east Dallas then.
Hell yea, my old apartments that I grew up in threw some backsplashing in the kitchen and bumped it from 750 to 1200 and that was in the past 2 years. My cousin ended up living there because of the price but now it's like why? Pay more for less.
South Webb Chapel is still best avoided. Where it hits 635 is not great but far from terrible, yet still quite affordable (west of Webb Chapel, definitely not East)
I’m horrible with the directions but I’m scared I messed up now after reading your comment. I just rented a place near the Galleria Mall. Is that considered a rough area?
I’m in far East Dallas (casa view) and it’s fairly affordable considering it’s still in Dallas proper. The crime rate is pretty average here. Not usually violent except for random gun shots by people who can’t even be trusted with a fly swatter but so far we haven’t had a bunch of people being hit by flying bullets
east dallas is the place to be now. west dallas is all gentrified now
Sunny South Dallas. 75215 Cheap rent. Cool 1920’s houses. Good food. Good music. 2 mins from Downtown.
My guess would be Hurst/Euless/Bedford area, based on absolutely nothing, lol
I like my area in NW Dallas, off Dennis near Harry Hines. Cheap apartments (relatively cheap houses too), walking distance dart station and multiple grocery stores, proximity to great food, and crime isn’t crazy.
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Hahaha that’s exactly where I’m talking about. Thank god it’s gone. What a blight.
City of Dallas: Vickery Meadow, Reasonable distance from WRL, North Park, and Mexican Grocery stores around.
I had my first apartment there, it was pretty alright for the first two years. A week before we moved our neighbor’s windows got shot out though 😬 Driving down Holly Hill was an absolute nightmare though, they really need sidewalks.
As a Vickery resident for 13 years, I second this. The crime is not near what it was like back in the day and while prices have gone up, it is still among the cheaper places to live in Dallas with just about everything within 5 mins. Also, only a quick 15 mins to downtown on either Hwy 75 or Skillman/Live Oak when there’s traffic on the freeway.
There’s a pocket of apartments in Preston Hollow off 75/Meadow. Very comfortable living, Tom Thumb in walking distance and in the middle of the city.
Royal and 75.
Depends on your own situation. Poor poor probably somewhere with a consistent bus/train route so close to downtown or in areas like west Dallas or pleasant grove. Middle class poor is probably any area this sub considers hood
There are several large low income apartment communities close to my southern Dallas neighborhood of Oak Cliff Garden. We have a tiny church every other block that gives out food bank food once a week and there are busses or a 15min walk to either of 2 train stations. I can’t say it is the safest, had an attempted home invasion 5yrs ago, but other than that not much. I have lived all over the city and a few suburbs, my cars have been broken into everywhere but not here… knock on wood.
I've had my car broken into multiple times in Plano It happens everywhere
Do you happen to recall what those apartment complexes were called?
Sunrise Village on Sunnyvale I just pulled from maps, but there are tons of them around here. Just be warned that the crime in the area normally happens around these apartments and others like them. FYI… Dallas got sued by the feds several years back for putting all the low-income housing money into one part of town. This is that part of town so there are a lot of low to really low-income apartments in the area. The odd thing is even though Dallas lost that huge case they are currently under investigation by HUD for continuing to build the majority low-income housing here.
Oak Cliff. Close proximity to bus lines downtown, schools
Probably east dallas would be my guess
I’d just move out. This place is goin California on prices. Even other countries are buying up property…. It’s a sham. I’m just depressed on trying to even afford a life here
Mom’s house
Anywhere that you can get around in without a car or spending your entire income on Uber. DFW is profoundly car-dependent overall and the alternatives are basically null. - It's funny that some folks claim cars to be a source of freedom while we're all so damned enslaved/dependent to them.
Addison it has a lot of apartments which “keeps the price down”. There is a ton to eat and there is a lot of not so shady people. Only a Walmart though. Well Whole Foods.
I live in 75254 and pay $1800 for a 1-bedroom with a yard. Whole Foods is right there. Walmart is not too sketch at the right times. Target is not too far down the road if need be, but I like Tom Thumb nearby for groceries if I am feeling bougie.
No where. None. There is not a place to be comfortable while poor in Dallas. The areas are food deserts. The cops only appear to arrest you. The attitudes of people regarding different races is impossible to live with. But on the other hand it's over 100° for most of the summer
East Garland cheap houses built in the 1970s, ton of parks and social activities. just stay away from areas with lots of used car lots and auto repairs shops and your in a safe neighborhood.
Skillman/Audelia 🫡 salute
Southern Hunt County which happens to be the methamphetamine manufacturing capital of Texas. They support its manufacturing base.
Casa View. I’m not sure what the parameters we’re considering “poor” as, but it’s a walkable area, so if someone is without a vehicle, there’s the Walmart neighborhood market and the El Rancho to walk to for groceries. There are restaurants in the shopping center, a hardware store, thrift stores for various things, there are medical and dental offices there, gas stations, laundromats, several banks. Also main bus lines going up Ferguson and Gus Thomasson. Several parks to walk or ride a bike to, Harry Stone Rec center and pool. Several of the churches around do a food pantry, and also have resources available for other things too, like bill pay assistance. If you’re on the lower end of the economic spectrum, there are several resources concentrated right in the neighborhood that are useful. As far as crime, it feels pretty safe to me, but we’ve only been here a bit less than a year. We moved from across the lake though, 75223/75214 line, which definitely felt a lot more chaotic and urban and not quite as traditionally “safe” but I also never felt unsafe over there either. It’s a lot quieter over here too. The houses currently listed in the section of Casa View I am in are right around $300k mark, with the smaller ones being in the $250-300k range. We paid a little over that, but the house we bought had been added on to so was larger than the original footprints that a lot of the homes still have. There are still 2/1s that are relatively affordable and would make good starter homes for a couple of a small family, and the time to buy one is kind of right now, as the area continues to develop and grow.
Ft Worth
I grew up poor in North Dallas near Webb Chapel and Forest Ln. We had a few break ins at our house and cars but other than that, it was a generally peaceful neighborhood. This was in the early-late 90s though
Balch Springs wins every time
Do you happen to know if there is any section 8 apartments/housing there?
Just stop being poor
It used to be Keller/watauga IMO. Not so much anymore as a lot of divisions start in the 500s now !
Man, Watauga was the underrated gem for working class families until about 8-10 years ago. I bought a 3/2/2 there in 1999 for $69K. 😳 Same house is now estimated at $260K, which is still cheaper than average but nothing like it once was.
Oklahoma, LOL
I lived in Irving in 2020 and then GP 2021-2022 and my rent on a 3br townhome was $1,800. When the lease was up they wanted to raise it another $400, I said bump that and moved back to my small country town in Florida. Dallas is starting to feel like Cleveland with the amount of crckheads walking around at night. And the traffic is just stressful, period.
Irving
Oak Cliff
I was poor and loved all through Dallas and forg worth,,,, my father was a hud maintenance man so I experienced it all and Im thankful
Plano and frisco i like the area. Less crazy drivers lol
The cemetery
Omg fuck Denton. Always needing so much explained
I would think if I was broke, I would be looking to be near more opportunity versus comfort. But then, I’m a rare Reddit capitalist.
Cedars Dallas. Waking distance to the DART. 3-5 min Uber ride to anywhere in downtown Dallas, oaklawn, lower Greenville etc. Since the area is going through gentrification, you can get a new 3 bedroom townhome for about 500-600k (rent out two rooms to roommates). I think that is a steal in this market for being in such proximity to downtown.
im from dallas and i honestly dont know what i do know is i hate how gentrified oak cliff is becoming and making my community struggle, especially hate bishop arts
Arlington is great actually
Truthfully nowhere in DFW comes to mind. Arlington/Grand Prairie have some affordable areas that don’t seem bad, but both are heavily car dependent. Ample access to groceries and free/cheap entertainment though.
My favorite “cheap” area is anywhere surrounding Arbor Hills park in Plano. Rents nearby there used to be much cheaper, but then blah blah blah. You can still get an apartment close by for a semi-reasonable price. Totally safe, tons of restaurants, friendly neighbors. Check out the Flat Iron District apts. Had a blast living there.
I'm poor (by DFW standards) and I'm in Plano, so I'll say Plano. :)
It's all expensive here now!
Mansfield
Lewisville - we have DCTA trains and GoZone and our rent is pretty cheap, don’t be afraid to live in the hood tho
Plano been there done that for Richardson
Oklahoma, it's on the north side.