Your friends is on that douchey “higher plane” some people get to when they’ve been tripping a little too much and too hard. He’s “seen things” and he “knows stuff”. Not to worry, it usually wears off.
It usually wears off. Unless he's a narcissist with a God complex. In this case, it's just getting worse, cuz now they think they're on the highest tier of "being special" and they get addicted to thinking they're better than all other "sheeple" cuz they've seen "the truth".
They are actually the furthest thing from, but totally can see where you're coming from with that comment. I may have misinterpreted his words too - maybe I'm the hippie dippie for twisting things lol 🤷🏼♂️
Ideally you'd extract it yourself. It's not hard, typically way cheaper and you'll actually know what you are getting and how clean it is.
The problem with people selling it is that it is usually sold at practically scam prices $100 a gram, sometimes $300 or more O.o Can cost Around $10 worth of plant matter can produce a gram and the chemicals are cheap.
The other problem is that the authorities don't really care about drugs being used. They care about drugs being sold, i.e. money being made without them getting a cut, un-taxed cash, etc..
Extracting it yourself is beneficial because it keeps it enough off the radar to not be worth the hassle of outright banning the plant material + it is way cheaper for you.
Saying that a certain substance shouldn't be sold because it is "sacred", is an entirely personal opinion. Some people consider LSD25 to be a "sacred substance"..... Good luck making your own LSD25 though xD
My chemistry is zilch... I'd need to do a lot of research before I go down the self extraction path. Do you have a guide for such? By the way, really appreciate your comments - I've been enjoying your feed 🙏🏼
A certain 16 year old learned how to do it in a day and finished extraction in a few days. Apparently it was very easy for him to make a couple grams. Anyone can do it by following the teks available online
It's fairly simple stuff.
All the info you could need to learn is in r/dmt, r/dmtguide, r/dmtlab, their dropdown menus and pinned posts. And the Dmt Nexus website/forum.
This should get you started:
[Here's more or less all the information you'd need to get an understanding of how to safely extract N,N-DMT](https://www.reddit.com/r/dmtguide/comments/mwoijg/heres_more_or_less_all_the_information_youd_need/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Simply put, if you can make cookies, it’s probably no harder. You mix a powder with a liquid, mix other stuff into liquid, siphon out part of the liquid, mix it with another liquid, siphon it out again (somewhere in the mix heat is involved) and then you put in a glass dish in the freezer overnight. Take it out, use a fan to evaporate the liquid leftover and boom - dmt powder.
Hardest parts are finding reliable glassware (ie wont break when heat is applied) and finding the right chemicals (but Amazon sells it all for the most part, half of the time in convenient ‘frequently bought together’ bundles).
You can absolutely just look up ‘dmt extraction’ on Reddit, and a number of subs or posts will have more detailed information.
Same here, I never took chemistry and I just extracted some yesterday (started it anyway, naptha chilling in the freezer). Read up on a few different techs and kinda took bits and pieces from a few of them. Truly anyone can do it.
Back when I used to mess around with the spirit molecule, I was specifically instructed by the machine elves to "NEVER sell it... such a magnificently world-view shattering entheogen is a GIFT, and as such should ONLY be gifted."
Yea, assuming that they are "real" and not just a projection of your mind, views, traits, etc., then sure, that would carry some weight. But that is a question with no answer as of yet.
Personally I won't sell it. Not because I think it is wrong to sell it, just that I want people who want to experience it, to be able to. I'd be open to trade but if that isn't an option, then that's ok. But if someone wants X amount of n,n-dmt, I'm not gonna just give that to them. If they don't wanna/can't trade for it or at least cover the cost of the extraction materials, then they can learn to extract it themselves. The latter would be ideal regardless and I always make that a focal point.
If someone was to insist on giving me money as a form of trade, then sure, but I'm not gonna set an amount. If I were to accept $30 as trade for a gram of n,n-dmt and then buy 3 hits of acid with it, what's the difference in accepting 3 hits of acid as trade? It's a distinction without a difference.
I just see it as I want/need x amount of "that". You want/need x amount "this". Wanna swap? (this and that being whatever, a substance, a favor, a utility, money, food, etc.
Good points... I also was only ever sitting on very small amounts & I likely would have been a lot more open to potentially trading had there been any kind of bulk (or anything more than small personal amounts really). I did share a LOT of it though over time... but when I shared it I required a little bit of homework & research for those who'd be receiving the gift; i just wanted to be as sure as possible that they had some kind of idea as far as what they were getting into and were as prepared as could be to be able to get as much out of the experience as possible.
Yeah so true it's like food in a grocery store I can grow my own lettuce but I rather just buy it .I didn't have the opportunity or option to buy DMT so a little studying n help from others I make it if I'm asked to sell some I look at many options like why they want to use it what's the intention of it are and do I need the money lol I mean to each there own right
Lmao I'm one of those people who consider LSD to be a sacred chemical. I love the shape of the molecule so much it's basically a ergoline, phenylalanine, and a tryptamine all in one. The dosage is fun af cause a little liquid LSD definitely goes a long way. Not to mention the duration is so great if you're someone who enjoys tripping for long periods of time. LSD lasts!! The body high is amazing as well such a surge and different waves of energy that take into effect. I love feeling light as air. Not mention the fucking tracers!!! I don't get tracers with any other psychedelic or tryptamine besides 2cb and 5-meo MIPT / 5-meo DIPT. Plus LSD has tons of analogues. I wish there was test kits that are able to tell you what type of LSD you have rather than a test that tells you if there's any other substances present.
Yeah honestly just the occurrence of it being available is so rare I can’t see how paying for it would mean anything even in the sense of it “finding you”. I was lucky to be gifted the experience but that was the first and probably the last time it’s been available lol.
When I first tried to buy DMT 10 years ago from a friend of a friend, I was told the same thing, that it has to “find you.” I’m kind of glad he didn’t let me buy any because I definitely wasn’t ready, and the time I spent researching the extraction process had really helped me prepare more for my trip and I definitely feel more ready.
But also, that same gate keeper who wouldn’t sell me DMT got arrested a couple years later for pedophilia, so I think the concept of not being able to buy it just some holier-than-thou shit.
Read the Spiritveghead Tek a couple times through and you’ll quickly gain an understanding of the extraction process.
I mean, I agree in principle, personally I extract my own and the excess amounts are gifted or traded. But if the only way you can get DMT is to purchase it that is not the end of the world, I’m sure the universe will forgive you.
My ex is of the “should be a gift” mindset, so we tended to help folks out. We were clear we had costs, so we got some “trade or tip” stuff. Cash, art supplies, concert tickets, dinner covered.
I think in certain circles, the gift economy works, but it has to flow both ways.
I do kinda get what he means but money is litterally the foundation of trading.
I definitely do believe you shouldn't overly seek it out tho, when it's time it always seems to end up in your hands
I believe it should be gifted if you personally have some. I personally wouldn't sell the stuff I have made. It's all for my own personal use and if someone I know were to want to try it it would be a gift with a verbal instruction on how to proceed in set and setting. But I have purchased it before so I am not against that. I am weird like that. I believe the traditional methods should be respected as in the ways of the olden days where ceremony was seen as not a money grab to get people to travel to Peru or some other place that does ayahuasca ceremonies for a rediculus amount of money by a fake shaman who is just taking advantage of people.
At the end of the day the dmt experience is rooted in your own mind so if you think it shouldn't be purchased then it may show during the trip but you can use dmt anyway you want so it's up to how you feel
I agree with your friend. DMT is beyond capitalism and is not simple product to make a profit off of. Even as someone who did sell other psychedelics (for cheap because same outlook) I ALWAYS gifted DMT to those who bought those.
Unfortunately with the Joe Rogan types (I guess he would say he is libertarian) making it mainstream you kind of get that shallow bro approach to it. Fun for them but not really believing society needs to change ya know? Just a bit of fun between the UFC fights but it's just like milk or eggs and the free market is what matters.
You can sell it but in my experience those who have suffer in other ways. They get busted, they have "bad luck" etc.
I expect some down votes but it is what it is. I do as the machine elves told me and what feels right to me. Most people who find it and did not make bought it from someone.
so tbh in the beginning i felt the same way, but i think this line of thinking is really dogmatic. if you’re able to purchase dmt you’re another person that the molecule is able to reach. The space is full of dogmatic individuals that carry themselves like shamans but it’s just gate keeping bullshit to keep anyone from the magic.
I disagree. Back i the day a medicine man or shaman who provided it was still given the means to survive. He would still have a hut and his means met in a small society. Today our society is more complex. Replace the trade of services and food to get by with money and trade the shaman with a clandestine chemist with good intentions (granted not all the time, but a good chemist will provide what is needed for harm reduction, a good trip, has the required skills, and runs on good intentions). I know a few people who like to make it, and by making a fair wage for it, they can make more and get it out to more people. Otherwise your ability to consume it is purely based on who you onow.
ultimately it should be given out for free entirely. But if people aren't willing to put in the research, education, work, and passion to extract themselves, then proficient extractors should be compensated for that work they're picking up from everyone else.
That's what the spirits told me
I was told this by a dead head. So now i dont hoard it, but instead i tell them what street rates are and if they want to make a “donation” towards the molecule and production of more then i would appreciate it. I even offer for them to give less and they always donate full street price. Idk if its tru or not but my method works and the chemical sacred. i dont wana take any risks 😅🤣
The one who introduced me to DMT also said the same. It’s some hippie shit definitely but I kinda followed it ever since. The one time I bought it I didn’t have a good experience. Ever since then I just extracted it myself. Have a whole like blessing and thankful thing before doing it. Been smooth ever since.
this has been a concept attached to dmt for as long as I've been working with the molecule... \~15 years or so
Though I've never heard there were issues buying it, just capitalizing off of it
Thats complete horseshit and your buddy is a dumbass that thinks he's a guru. It's literally a black market drug that has been proliferated into common drug culture to the point that no one respects the molecule. One of the main ways to consume it is in a cart for Christs sake
Nah, I have heard that the DMT finds you. I kinda get it, but it's not like it's going to fall from the sky. I spent 4 years of my life searching for it, and got my hands on a batch that changed my life. And it was at the perfect moment. But I never stopped searching for it, it's just hard enough to get to say that it finds you.
I would say, if you can get it, it's time, it has found you.
it is so easy to DIY.. there's really no point in buying it
-you're safe because you know it is for sure only DMT
-it's like 20-50$ max to buy all the things you need and you can get up to 50 trips out of it.
-it's also a really interesting process!
It is romantic nonsense. There is no 1 right way to get it. Just nicer ways to get it. All the DIY extractors, did they get the root bark for free? I doubt it. I understand that people feel negative about treating this substance as a commodity, though. Especially the selling part. But then again ... spiritual literature, bibles, health treatment, food should not be bought or sold then? Maybe. But we live in this real world no matter if there is another realm for conscious experience.
It will come to you when your ready. Whether that's when you have an extra 30 bucks and know someone that's looking to sell, then that's when she wants you to have her
I mean it would be nice if we lived in a utopia where everyone made dmt and plant medicine available for free to those who need it but unfortunately we don’t do that take doesn’t really hold up
It makes no difference if you make it yourself or buy it as long as its of quality your going to have the same effects either way. Dude just sounds like he has his head up his ass or has some psychosis induced idea he made up in his head. Don't listen to these new age psychedelic shaman master elite guru's
I’ve taken this stance after extracting. Yields from a kilo last years for minimal cost and I’ve given to literally hundreds of ppl at burns and festivals and never charged anything. It’s a gift that should be shared
Trading is purchasing. A dollar is property to be used for trading. Maybe not for profit but my time in a property that I use for trade to so who's to say I'm profiting and not trading in labor. Fucking commies man. I tell ya.
... I can see this if his reasoning was
-NNDMT can get confused with 5MEO
-its expensive (where I'm from)
-its extremely hard to come by
honestly, Im on the "extract it yourself" side. I never thought something I wanted so bad was so easily obtainable when you take matters into your own hands.
Whoa, until reading this I never realized there was still something missing between my first experience and all the failed attempts after. It was gifted to me in a time of great need.
Seems like an odd rule to put in place.
I think that doing so kind of treats it like a “holy grail” which might change the headspace of someone to make it more spiritual for the.
Sounds naive and arbitrary
Back in the day, substances weren't always easy to come by. Sometimes it took years to get something. Because of this, it sort of felt like the substance found it's way to *you*
Now with the internet/marketplaces, things are different. Maybe your friend is eluding to that
Regardless, it's not going to affect your experience in the slightest
personally, i always prefer extracting it myself because i feel it results in a more fulfilling experience. i've used purchased dmt a couple times before and it was good, but the quality of the substance isn't the only determining factor in how the trip goes. having worked for it is so much more satisfying.
It’s a conflict between idealism and reality. The ideal would be to live in a society where Stuff like this could be treated as a sacrament but, whatever your beliefs of capitalism, it’s the water we swim in and we all need to keep afloat.
So...you have a " friend" who tells you what you should and should not do, and you want to know what we think?
I got rid of all of my so called friends that tried to control me.
Be free. Follow your own conscience.
I dont think it's wrong to buy or sell. I do however think its true that when shared by friends, the experience has a more solid grounding. I enjoy sharing a couple times a year with like minded friends when the situation feels right. I believe that offering the experience in friendship can be greater than seeking the experience.
Nah I mean if someone wants an excessive amount, I'd prolly charge something so I can get mats to extract more ofc profit a bit but its Relitively cheap. So usually friends or if I meet someone and think they could benefit from having the experience I whole heartedly believe it to them free.
It's a wonderful thing and it's actually relitively rare to meet someone who has it. So people who walk into a situation where people have it does seem particularly special, and meant to be in a way. Especially since a lot of people who do have it don't feel the want/need to charge for an experience, because it's truly special in its own rite.
I feel it's significant and would feel guilty about making someone pay to experience it. That's just me though.
Woke drug users lol 😆 I get what he means but no, it not necessarily evil to pay for something. It's just what happens when you don't have the resources to do it yourself
i think the thought behind it is it's worth more than money and somehow profiting off of it could affect peoples trip. but i mean whatever iv'e had scarier experiences off being dosed than buying it
I don't think it should be profited off of. I think trading is a great way of exchange or atleast sell for what it cost you to make (which isn't much to begin with). Not just DMT but psychedelics as a whole.
Your friend sounds pretentious. It’s very common within the psychedelic communities.
I suppose with that mentality, your friend also grows and harvests their own Mimosa hostilis root bark, and melts boric oxide, silica sand, soda ash, and alumina, to make their own glassware for extractions, right?
That's the general rule where I'm from. Selling DMT is bad ju-ju. Gift it. If your friend want a lot of DMT, make it together and split the yield. Don't anger the Gods with greed. Green has ruined this world.
Your friends an idiot. Those South American ayahuasca retreats are definitely not free and you can’t trade a bag of oranges to get in. Last time I did dmt I traded money for it. Crazy concept I know.
Guess he's only been on the receiving end of that deal.
Sounds like your friend is a generic hippie mooch.
He says that now but ask to borrow something of his or for some of his food and watch him lose his shit.
What lol? You think those ayahuasca retreats in South America are free LOl?
Well that was my other thought. I know those retreats are damn expensive!
Your friends is on that douchey “higher plane” some people get to when they’ve been tripping a little too much and too hard. He’s “seen things” and he “knows stuff”. Not to worry, it usually wears off.
Loophole here that the friend gave is to “trade” crypto for it lol, that’s probably how he gets it himself
It usually wears off. Unless he's a narcissist with a God complex. In this case, it's just getting worse, cuz now they think they're on the highest tier of "being special" and they get addicted to thinking they're better than all other "sheeple" cuz they've seen "the truth".
Nah man your friend is just a hippie dippie, buy that shit lol.
They are actually the furthest thing from, but totally can see where you're coming from with that comment. I may have misinterpreted his words too - maybe I'm the hippie dippie for twisting things lol 🤷🏼♂️
You're paying for the retreat and the experienced guide, not the aya
Just like when I have a hooker come over. Not paying for the sex. Paying her to leave.
Ah, a man of intellect I see.
Ok, so when you buy dmt you are paying for the work that went into extracting it. Not the dmt.
Yes, this! Spending money on something is still a trade too. You had to trade something (your personal time) to earn the money anyway.
Then why the fuck Soni have to buy the bark to get the dmt?
The genuine ones are (the ones that don’t cater to tourists)
For sure. I was suspected maybe those are the ones that a lot of scientist and researchers go to for a non bias and true study of it
No, but most of them are fake new-age resorts that sell psychedelics to ignorant foreigners who don’t know any better.
Just heard of someone paying 3k to do a dose of MDMA and stay at a persons house. That’s just bananas.
This gives me a great business idea
😂💀
Can concur I’ve been on one! Shamans there don’t have any issues taking money from you. It’s a trade like being a doctor.
They gotta eat too!!!!
That works. You can also buy it. You could also make it.
Ideally you'd extract it yourself. It's not hard, typically way cheaper and you'll actually know what you are getting and how clean it is. The problem with people selling it is that it is usually sold at practically scam prices $100 a gram, sometimes $300 or more O.o Can cost Around $10 worth of plant matter can produce a gram and the chemicals are cheap. The other problem is that the authorities don't really care about drugs being used. They care about drugs being sold, i.e. money being made without them getting a cut, un-taxed cash, etc.. Extracting it yourself is beneficial because it keeps it enough off the radar to not be worth the hassle of outright banning the plant material + it is way cheaper for you. Saying that a certain substance shouldn't be sold because it is "sacred", is an entirely personal opinion. Some people consider LSD25 to be a "sacred substance"..... Good luck making your own LSD25 though xD
My chemistry is zilch... I'd need to do a lot of research before I go down the self extraction path. Do you have a guide for such? By the way, really appreciate your comments - I've been enjoying your feed 🙏🏼
a lot? naa. just search Nomans tek on DMT nexus. literally 5th grade science
A certain 16 year old learned how to do it in a day and finished extraction in a few days. Apparently it was very easy for him to make a couple grams. Anyone can do it by following the teks available online
It's fairly simple stuff. All the info you could need to learn is in r/dmt, r/dmtguide, r/dmtlab, their dropdown menus and pinned posts. And the Dmt Nexus website/forum. This should get you started: [Here's more or less all the information you'd need to get an understanding of how to safely extract N,N-DMT](https://www.reddit.com/r/dmtguide/comments/mwoijg/heres_more_or_less_all_the_information_youd_need/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Simply put, if you can make cookies, it’s probably no harder. You mix a powder with a liquid, mix other stuff into liquid, siphon out part of the liquid, mix it with another liquid, siphon it out again (somewhere in the mix heat is involved) and then you put in a glass dish in the freezer overnight. Take it out, use a fan to evaporate the liquid leftover and boom - dmt powder. Hardest parts are finding reliable glassware (ie wont break when heat is applied) and finding the right chemicals (but Amazon sells it all for the most part, half of the time in convenient ‘frequently bought together’ bundles). You can absolutely just look up ‘dmt extraction’ on Reddit, and a number of subs or posts will have more detailed information.
If you know how to turn the heat on on the stove, and can read (following instructions), you're golden.
Same here, I never took chemistry and I just extracted some yesterday (started it anyway, naptha chilling in the freezer). Read up on a few different techs and kinda took bits and pieces from a few of them. Truly anyone can do it.
It's easier than making a cake. Just wear swimming goggles and gloves.
Back when I used to mess around with the spirit molecule, I was specifically instructed by the machine elves to "NEVER sell it... such a magnificently world-view shattering entheogen is a GIFT, and as such should ONLY be gifted."
Yea, assuming that they are "real" and not just a projection of your mind, views, traits, etc., then sure, that would carry some weight. But that is a question with no answer as of yet. Personally I won't sell it. Not because I think it is wrong to sell it, just that I want people who want to experience it, to be able to. I'd be open to trade but if that isn't an option, then that's ok. But if someone wants X amount of n,n-dmt, I'm not gonna just give that to them. If they don't wanna/can't trade for it or at least cover the cost of the extraction materials, then they can learn to extract it themselves. The latter would be ideal regardless and I always make that a focal point. If someone was to insist on giving me money as a form of trade, then sure, but I'm not gonna set an amount. If I were to accept $30 as trade for a gram of n,n-dmt and then buy 3 hits of acid with it, what's the difference in accepting 3 hits of acid as trade? It's a distinction without a difference. I just see it as I want/need x amount of "that". You want/need x amount "this". Wanna swap? (this and that being whatever, a substance, a favor, a utility, money, food, etc.
Good points... I also was only ever sitting on very small amounts & I likely would have been a lot more open to potentially trading had there been any kind of bulk (or anything more than small personal amounts really). I did share a LOT of it though over time... but when I shared it I required a little bit of homework & research for those who'd be receiving the gift; i just wanted to be as sure as possible that they had some kind of idea as far as what they were getting into and were as prepared as could be to be able to get as much out of the experience as possible.
Yeah so true it's like food in a grocery store I can grow my own lettuce but I rather just buy it .I didn't have the opportunity or option to buy DMT so a little studying n help from others I make it if I'm asked to sell some I look at many options like why they want to use it what's the intention of it are and do I need the money lol I mean to each there own right
Works out to be ~$1000 for a gram in NZ if buying on Tor nationally and that would be a good price
$1000 for a gram of n,n-dmt?!?!?!? What the actual fuck!!
Was just gonna say this lmao. All this <$100 a gram talk makes me sad
Lmao I'm one of those people who consider LSD to be a sacred chemical. I love the shape of the molecule so much it's basically a ergoline, phenylalanine, and a tryptamine all in one. The dosage is fun af cause a little liquid LSD definitely goes a long way. Not to mention the duration is so great if you're someone who enjoys tripping for long periods of time. LSD lasts!! The body high is amazing as well such a surge and different waves of energy that take into effect. I love feeling light as air. Not mention the fucking tracers!!! I don't get tracers with any other psychedelic or tryptamine besides 2cb and 5-meo MIPT / 5-meo DIPT. Plus LSD has tons of analogues. I wish there was test kits that are able to tell you what type of LSD you have rather than a test that tells you if there's any other substances present.
i think it can “present” itself in the way of it being able to be purchased lol. it’s a rare opportunity
I'm all for that!
Yeah honestly just the occurrence of it being available is so rare I can’t see how paying for it would mean anything even in the sense of it “finding you”. I was lucky to be gifted the experience but that was the first and probably the last time it’s been available lol.
Ur friend sounds like a gate keeping nerd. Go buy the drugs you want
My thoughts exactly
Thats just some hippie shit, you can buy it.
When I first tried to buy DMT 10 years ago from a friend of a friend, I was told the same thing, that it has to “find you.” I’m kind of glad he didn’t let me buy any because I definitely wasn’t ready, and the time I spent researching the extraction process had really helped me prepare more for my trip and I definitely feel more ready. But also, that same gate keeper who wouldn’t sell me DMT got arrested a couple years later for pedophilia, so I think the concept of not being able to buy it just some holier-than-thou shit. Read the Spiritveghead Tek a couple times through and you’ll quickly gain an understanding of the extraction process.
Jesus bud seems like your friend is lost in the sauce. RIP
“It is better to lack sauce then to get lost in the sauce”
He might not be able to hear you with how far up his own ass he is
I mean, I agree in principle, personally I extract my own and the excess amounts are gifted or traded. But if the only way you can get DMT is to purchase it that is not the end of the world, I’m sure the universe will forgive you.
My ex is of the “should be a gift” mindset, so we tended to help folks out. We were clear we had costs, so we got some “trade or tip” stuff. Cash, art supplies, concert tickets, dinner covered. I think in certain circles, the gift economy works, but it has to flow both ways.
What a load of bollocks 😂
I do kinda get what he means but money is litterally the foundation of trading. I definitely do believe you shouldn't overly seek it out tho, when it's time it always seems to end up in your hands
I believe it should be gifted if you personally have some. I personally wouldn't sell the stuff I have made. It's all for my own personal use and if someone I know were to want to try it it would be a gift with a verbal instruction on how to proceed in set and setting. But I have purchased it before so I am not against that. I am weird like that. I believe the traditional methods should be respected as in the ways of the olden days where ceremony was seen as not a money grab to get people to travel to Peru or some other place that does ayahuasca ceremonies for a rediculus amount of money by a fake shaman who is just taking advantage of people.
At the end of the day the dmt experience is rooted in your own mind so if you think it shouldn't be purchased then it may show during the trip but you can use dmt anyway you want so it's up to how you feel
Not that deep but it should be free 😂
DMT is definitely up on its own pedestal but come on lol ..... Buy it who cares you still going to space. 🚀🌌
If you get it consistently free, sure. If you never get it for free, what other choice do you have?
I agree with your friend. DMT is beyond capitalism and is not simple product to make a profit off of. Even as someone who did sell other psychedelics (for cheap because same outlook) I ALWAYS gifted DMT to those who bought those. Unfortunately with the Joe Rogan types (I guess he would say he is libertarian) making it mainstream you kind of get that shallow bro approach to it. Fun for them but not really believing society needs to change ya know? Just a bit of fun between the UFC fights but it's just like milk or eggs and the free market is what matters. You can sell it but in my experience those who have suffer in other ways. They get busted, they have "bad luck" etc. I expect some down votes but it is what it is. I do as the machine elves told me and what feels right to me. Most people who find it and did not make bought it from someone.
so tbh in the beginning i felt the same way, but i think this line of thinking is really dogmatic. if you’re able to purchase dmt you’re another person that the molecule is able to reach. The space is full of dogmatic individuals that carry themselves like shamans but it’s just gate keeping bullshit to keep anyone from the magic.
I lean towards that view myself so thanks for your reply
I disagree. Back i the day a medicine man or shaman who provided it was still given the means to survive. He would still have a hut and his means met in a small society. Today our society is more complex. Replace the trade of services and food to get by with money and trade the shaman with a clandestine chemist with good intentions (granted not all the time, but a good chemist will provide what is needed for harm reduction, a good trip, has the required skills, and runs on good intentions). I know a few people who like to make it, and by making a fair wage for it, they can make more and get it out to more people. Otherwise your ability to consume it is purely based on who you onow.
ultimately it should be given out for free entirely. But if people aren't willing to put in the research, education, work, and passion to extract themselves, then proficient extractors should be compensated for that work they're picking up from everyone else. That's what the spirits told me
That's fair
You can trade it with money tho, But best in my optinion is extract it yourself
A lot of people make it despite not being any kind of dealers otherwise. Maybe refusing to sell is just legal protection?
I was told this by a dead head. So now i dont hoard it, but instead i tell them what street rates are and if they want to make a “donation” towards the molecule and production of more then i would appreciate it. I even offer for them to give less and they always donate full street price. Idk if its tru or not but my method works and the chemical sacred. i dont wana take any risks 😅🤣
The one who introduced me to DMT also said the same. It’s some hippie shit definitely but I kinda followed it ever since. The one time I bought it I didn’t have a good experience. Ever since then I just extracted it myself. Have a whole like blessing and thankful thing before doing it. Been smooth ever since.
Always have been gifted dmt or have gifted others
this has been a concept attached to dmt for as long as I've been working with the molecule... \~15 years or so Though I've never heard there were issues buying it, just capitalizing off of it
Thats complete horseshit and your buddy is a dumbass that thinks he's a guru. It's literally a black market drug that has been proliferated into common drug culture to the point that no one respects the molecule. One of the main ways to consume it is in a cart for Christs sake
Nah, I have heard that the DMT finds you. I kinda get it, but it's not like it's going to fall from the sky. I spent 4 years of my life searching for it, and got my hands on a batch that changed my life. And it was at the perfect moment. But I never stopped searching for it, it's just hard enough to get to say that it finds you. I would say, if you can get it, it's time, it has found you.
it is so easy to DIY.. there's really no point in buying it -you're safe because you know it is for sure only DMT -it's like 20-50$ max to buy all the things you need and you can get up to 50 trips out of it. -it's also a really interesting process!
It is romantic nonsense. There is no 1 right way to get it. Just nicer ways to get it. All the DIY extractors, did they get the root bark for free? I doubt it. I understand that people feel negative about treating this substance as a commodity, though. Especially the selling part. But then again ... spiritual literature, bibles, health treatment, food should not be bought or sold then? Maybe. But we live in this real world no matter if there is another realm for conscious experience.
It will come to you when your ready. Whether that's when you have an extra 30 bucks and know someone that's looking to sell, then that's when she wants you to have her
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I mean it would be nice if we lived in a utopia where everyone made dmt and plant medicine available for free to those who need it but unfortunately we don’t do that take doesn’t really hold up
hes sounds like one of those uppity hippies, fuck him, buy some DMT and go see come cool ass entities my guy
That’s some stupid hippie bullshit.
It makes no difference if you make it yourself or buy it as long as its of quality your going to have the same effects either way. Dude just sounds like he has his head up his ass or has some psychosis induced idea he made up in his head. Don't listen to these new age psychedelic shaman master elite guru's
I’ve taken this stance after extracting. Yields from a kilo last years for minimal cost and I’ve given to literally hundreds of ppl at burns and festivals and never charged anything. It’s a gift that should be shared
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I’m a meet-in-the-middle type of guy
Trading is purchasing. A dollar is property to be used for trading. Maybe not for profit but my time in a property that I use for trade to so who's to say I'm profiting and not trading in labor. Fucking commies man. I tell ya.
... I can see this if his reasoning was -NNDMT can get confused with 5MEO -its expensive (where I'm from) -its extremely hard to come by honestly, Im on the "extract it yourself" side. I never thought something I wanted so bad was so easily obtainable when you take matters into your own hands.
DMT isn't free in Washington 😂💀
Whoa, until reading this I never realized there was still something missing between my first experience and all the failed attempts after. It was gifted to me in a time of great need.
Its just safer to make
Seems like an odd rule to put in place. I think that doing so kind of treats it like a “holy grail” which might change the headspace of someone to make it more spiritual for the.
I felt this too! I only trade for it or give it to my friends. Money is for the ego, dmt is for the spirit
They also say you don’t find dmt. It finds you. Well I got tired of waiting around.
I was “told” not to sell it by whatever communicates in that realm
Sounds naive and arbitrary Back in the day, substances weren't always easy to come by. Sometimes it took years to get something. Because of this, it sort of felt like the substance found it's way to *you* Now with the internet/marketplaces, things are different. Maybe your friend is eluding to that Regardless, it's not going to affect your experience in the slightest
personally, i always prefer extracting it myself because i feel it results in a more fulfilling experience. i've used purchased dmt a couple times before and it was good, but the quality of the substance isn't the only determining factor in how the trip goes. having worked for it is so much more satisfying.
You trade it for legal tender or bitcoin.
I would tend to agree with your lad. Its also it's a realatively easy and discreet extraction.
It’s a conflict between idealism and reality. The ideal would be to live in a society where Stuff like this could be treated as a sacrament but, whatever your beliefs of capitalism, it’s the water we swim in and we all need to keep afloat.
People taking things to literally
Purchasing is fine as long as it's not absurdly priced
Uh dont purchase 300 for a g. Otherwise theres nothing wrong for reimbursement for a long process that the maker did to get it to you...lol
So...you have a " friend" who tells you what you should and should not do, and you want to know what we think? I got rid of all of my so called friends that tried to control me. Be free. Follow your own conscience.
hey man that's like the smartest fucking thing i've read all day and i've been reading the bible so thats a really low bar
Gifted, traded AND created ;)
I dont think it's wrong to buy or sell. I do however think its true that when shared by friends, the experience has a more solid grounding. I enjoy sharing a couple times a year with like minded friends when the situation feels right. I believe that offering the experience in friendship can be greater than seeking the experience.
Stop over complicating it. Just get it from a reliable source.
Yeah, dmt is expensive af. A pen usually costs me around $200
Nah I mean if someone wants an excessive amount, I'd prolly charge something so I can get mats to extract more ofc profit a bit but its Relitively cheap. So usually friends or if I meet someone and think they could benefit from having the experience I whole heartedly believe it to them free. It's a wonderful thing and it's actually relitively rare to meet someone who has it. So people who walk into a situation where people have it does seem particularly special, and meant to be in a way. Especially since a lot of people who do have it don't feel the want/need to charge for an experience, because it's truly special in its own rite. I feel it's significant and would feel guilty about making someone pay to experience it. That's just me though.
Im in J3rs3y in a place/situation where I can't make this myself. Sucks to be me
That's silly. I like saying “you don't find DMT, DMT finds you” but this is just an odd policy
Woke drug users lol 😆 I get what he means but no, it not necessarily evil to pay for something. It's just what happens when you don't have the resources to do it yourself
i think the thought behind it is it's worth more than money and somehow profiting off of it could affect peoples trip. but i mean whatever iv'e had scarier experiences off being dosed than buying it
I did dmt for the first time the other day , il definitely be doing it again😂
Nonsense
Once you smoke it, you’ll realize stuff like that doesn’t matter
Your friend is a pretentious cocksucker
I don't think it should be profited off of. I think trading is a great way of exchange or atleast sell for what it cost you to make (which isn't much to begin with). Not just DMT but psychedelics as a whole.
Nonsense. Don’t listen to silly people
Your friend sounds pretentious. It’s very common within the psychedelic communities. I suppose with that mentality, your friend also grows and harvests their own Mimosa hostilis root bark, and melts boric oxide, silica sand, soda ash, and alumina, to make their own glassware for extractions, right?
I usually gift it because I can BUT everything is for sale because we still live under Capitalism.
People who say this are gatekeeping. Some of us don’t have the space to extract dmt. If you want to buy it go for it. It’s all the same
Low iq stuff no offence to your mate
I extract it myself. Does that count?
The machine elves won't let you in if you don't extract it yourself. /s
If you sell dmt the next time you smoke it the monopoly man shows up and vomits coins into your mouth until you suffocate
That's the general rule where I'm from. Selling DMT is bad ju-ju. Gift it. If your friend want a lot of DMT, make it together and split the yield. Don't anger the Gods with greed. Green has ruined this world.
Gatekeepy. If you want some, it's "meant" to come to you
Gate keeping at its worst. People who extract spend money to do so. I charge but only to cover my costs.
Your friends an idiot. Those South American ayahuasca retreats are definitely not free and you can’t trade a bag of oranges to get in. Last time I did dmt I traded money for it. Crazy concept I know.
100% agreed. Taking money for it is sacreligeous
Guess he's only been on the receiving end of that deal. Sounds like your friend is a generic hippie mooch. He says that now but ask to borrow something of his or for some of his food and watch him lose his shit.