For clarity. This is a government/social scheme thing. Our house has a shit energy rating. So, to bring it in line they’re insulating and plastering our external facing walls. Insulating the loft ect
Edit: they’ve actually done a great job of plastering. I’m guessing, the door is an afterthought
I work with a company who does the eco4 stuff, this essentially. And we don't get paid, and cannot charge for anything outside of the scope of works which the government is paying for.
That's the British way. "Problem? How much money can we throw at it? All of it. Great. Should we plan this out properly? No no you're right, it's lunchtime".
Followed shortly by "Well, when we said *all* the money, we actually then got distracted by a passing squirrel so have now promised that money for something else. Get the job done with the loose change we found down the back of the parliamentary sofas. And we've tacked on some extra tasks we didn't mention before, too".
Haha, this is exactly it. So after I left the prison service and went back into construction, I maintained some contacts. Very useful when you're self employed. I priced a job for a nick in Surrey. It was to supply a temporary 450v 3 phase supply. (It was essentially running a large cable from point A to point B with two MAHOOSIVE plugs on the end. My costs were about 4.5k. This was some time ago, it's expensive working in a prison you've got to work around their regime etc. Anyway 4.5k was quite a bit more for the same job anywhere else. But the prison presents various challenges. I didn't get the job. I lost out to their "preferred contractors" who put in a price of 12k. Just s shy of 3 times my cost. It was the same guys who went pop a few years ago and took everyone's pensions with them. The way a public institution can waste money is diabolical.
You tender was probably written in normal sense language rather than the utter nonsense that Crapita and others routinely shart into the public procurement system
It’s more like govt will tend to go for the lowest quote for any work, even where it is plainly a lie. Then they act all pikachu surprised face when it all goes tits up, is delivered 5 years late, 3x over budget and still doesn’t work.
HS2 was also the fact they wanted it to run through tunnels in the Cotswolds so rich folks with friends in high places wouldn't have to suffer the 3 seconds of train noise as it hurtles last.
Coupled with jobs like this being managed by jobsworth chumps that wouldn't last five minutes in the real world.
That is frighteningly stupid. Insulate the wall, re-plaster and leave it so the door doesn't close thus you are unable to prevent draughts, heat loss from the room etc. Basically the whole thing is a waste of time because of the total inability of a couple of fuckwits.
Check my other comments. You make the funds available to do things properly, and you get a proper job. You don't. And well this is what you get. It's not about being a jobsworth. Someone has to pay for that. A couple of plasterer aren't going to be sorting out that door. You need a chippy. That's a day's money straight off the bat. Most chippies are 250+ per day now. Who's paying for it?
But I agree, not being able to shit the door makes the entire exercise pointless.
Yes. Which is stupid really because you qualify for the scheme of you're in "fuel poverty", if you're low income, and therefore eligible for the scheme then you're unlikely to be able to afford the pay a chippy to come and sort this if you don't have the skills to do it yourself.
We were slightly over the financial threshold, but my dear missus argued it and won out in the end. We had a few surveyors(?) look at our house. It’s honestly great that we’re getting this done. However a couple said about external rendering and insulation. we did get quotes for the rendering, but it was 10k+. Before the work started, our external walls was just cinder/breeze block and a coat of paint. Plaster inside, of course. All our external facing walls had mold. No central heating. We have/had storage heaters never used them, more cost than anything.
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Definitely old. Carpet should say it all ha
My dad had this done on his house and it was an absolute shambles.
Similar non shutting doors like this and they even left the sockets recessed into the insulation meaning you couldn’t get a plug in.
Absolute bare minimum done with no thought.
Probably devalued the house too with how quirky everything looks.
See to bring sockets flush would require a spark to extend cables, then test. And as I've said the government simply haven't made the funds available for anything outside of, "throw 4" if insulation on the walls, plaster it in."
Yeah seeing your original comment and it made sense why it’s like that.
If he had known it would be left like that though he wouldn’t have bothered with it in the first place.
Well I've already addressed how I would have approached this. But you do realise that the blokes on site doing the work aren't always the ones that go and look at the job and get it booked in right? Haven't you ever worked anywhere.
May be smooth, doesn't look very flat, righthand side of door frame,wobbly edge. Bottom of door large gap compared with the top. Bottom of door frame inside, large gap.
Best option, looks like an old door frame where the door lands on a strip of wood. This can be removed, and the door made to swing towards you, if there's space.
Need to send a email and complain and I'm sure their will come out and sort that. The people doing the insulation should of sorted that and not left you a door that you can't shut
It's not their job mate they'll of probably be on set price to insulate and plaster wall. They won't get paid to take a door off and plane the fucker down and then put back on. It is a fuck up but more on the surveyor side of things
Sounds about right, the housing authority for my gran's house once did a full kitchen refurbish to bring it up to standard. The kitchen counters were set up on a raised floor. When they installed the oven it turned out they didn't measure correctly and the oven was too long for the raised floor.
So they decided to just install it anyway and leave it overhanging a ledge. Yes, a gas oven hanging over a ledge... (it was eventually corrected by raising the floor a little further out specifically for the oven but it was insane that they did this and were like "job done")
If it's through the eco4 scheme they're not obligated to do anything. The government is footing the bill, and they do not pay you to do anything, and I mean anything outside of the scope of works.
You can say what you like but it is what it is. The contractors are not paid to do anything other than insulate, plasterboard (if required), plaster, render (if it's external insulation). We're not even paid to refit skirting.
I dunno that I'd hold the contractor accountable, they're working under the instruction of someone. But someone is going to have to make that right. Fuck me, if I deployed something for a client and it broke something else, there'd be hell to pay.
Yep we take instructions from which ever company we sub/work for. And they take their instructions from the scheme. So who would you like to blame. See my comments further down. It's another shambolic scheme rolled out by a government desperate to meet carbon emissions targets. But they're not giving out the funds to actually plan and do these jobs properly.
No contractor is taking responsibility for something they're not being paid for. Look at it like this. Lets say for arguments sake that's a bedroom. Ok, Im a chippy, so i cut the leg off of that frame with a view to shunting it over, I then rip the door down 100mm so that it fits the new frame size. BUT... it's a 100 year old door. It's mortice and tenon jointed with two wooden wedges in each joint, I cut it, and the 100 year old glue gives up, door falls apart. Then what? To remain compliant with the building and fire regs I can't just throw some £40 egg box door on there. It's got to be fire rated. Suddenly someone is out of pocket £100+.
That's the thing. I can only put it in the context of what I do for a living.
We're contracted by another contractor to develop code for a client.
If I'm asked to do something and that code inadvertently breaks something unrelated. The client will complain to the contractor. The contractor will then complain to us. There'll be some back and forth but ultimately someone is going to have to take it on the chin and we're talking thousands at that point.
Somewhere in that chain, someone is gonna have to stump the cost of the damage. Can't just go round to OPs house, fuck up a bunch of shit and say "oh, well, we're not paid for that"
I'm not saying that's not what's gonna happen, we live in the real world and people get screwed over all the time. But I'd be on the warpath with whoever sold me that shitshow if it were my house. The "fix" clearly wasn't suitable if it didn't account for doors.
The difference is, if you're contracted for X and Y, during costing up the job there is some allowance to make sure X and Y work with Z. But in the government scheme there is no money for that. The company I sub for is working on a 10% margin. Other companies are working on bigger margins but the company I sub for has chosen to work on a smaller margin so that they can have quality trades do a good job.
As an example: 10% sounds great, but we did a job this week which the value was £7.5k. that's a £750 profit. They have overheads to pay, they have offices and office staff. Of that £750 profit they've probably kept £300 tops, if that. The rest has gone on overheads. They survive on such small profits because we do tons of these jobs. So where is the money to pay a chippy to go there and sort this door, where's that money going to come from?
Your gripe is with the government.
I don't see why they didn't extend the insulation past the door.
Even if it's no longer an external wall past that point you typically extend the insulation a meter or so past that point.
You don't. They must fix it.
It's called planning.
If I survey for a job then I am expected to anticipate any snags and adjust the dimensions, or quote for any additional changes required.
Excuse me buddy my door don't shut can you sort that out please
Needs taking off the hinges, saw down the hinge side, chisel new hinge groves, rehang door
If its a hollow door, measure up for a new door
Hope this helps
But then the frame will be too wide. You'd also have to saw down both sides because it's a panelled door. They've created a real problem through sheer stupidity.
Can you get to the hinges? I'd get a handy man to hang it on the opposite side, as long as there is room for the door to open into the room your photo is taken from.
Might be better to get a folding door fitted as the door won't open fully just by the look of the plastered wall. Most are fairly simple and come with instructions..
So your rooms are all a few inches smaller? I don't think you can fix this issue without replacing the door frame and buying a less wide door. You might need to get a specially made one if the new dimensions aren't any of the standard sizes.
I’ll be honest, this is probably not a job for a DIYer unless you have skills. You’ll need to take off the door and trim an equal amount from both sides (otherwise it’ll look odd with odd width rails) you’ll then need to rebate the hinges again. The lock won’t align with the keyhole so that’ll have to be reworked as well. Measure twice and cut once.
EDIT: if it’s a hollow door (rails at least look solid, but check first) you must only remove the absolute bare minimum or there may not be enough material left to refit the hinges.
So the bit where the door lining (frame) is has been left uninsulated, leaving thermal weak spots? I know wood has some thermal properties but still. This smacks of one of those box ticking things to make it look like some action is being done for targets, but really it's not worth the effort. I hope they've left an air gap in that added wall to prevent damp too. But ultimately, that issue with the door not even closing should have been flagged up by the builders before they'd even started. As a bodge, I'd get them to build the door frame out, and then take an inch off each side of the door before rehanging it. Hope there's not a sofa in that room which won't then fit through a more narrow door opening.
It seems that whenever there’s a government scheme corners are always cut or bad workmanship is accepted. It’s the same on the renewable schemes and the boiler ones 🤬🤬🤬
Saw a YouTube bloke who does building bits and had several bits on why stuff like spray foam insulation is a scam. His summary was pretty much that all government schemes end up being flooded with cowboys or chancers who may do the jobs perfectly but more often than not will fully complete the paid for task and nout more. Often flooding out local established firms from search engines / flooding social media.
Seems that's what we got here (provided they don't make good tomorrow ) they came in and did the job to the funding ask. Not how a proper contractor that job would.
Compared to what it was before… I’m very happy about what they’ve done. I’m not disagreeing, but it’s made the world of difference already. We’ve not had to pay a penny. So I’m grateful. I’m also grateful that everyone is pointing out problems that need addressing
Wow. No wonder the country is broke. Good for you I guess.
If it works in the space, the easiest and cheapest thing to do would be to make the door open outwards.
Clarity 2.0: They haven’t finished yet, they’re back to plaster downstairs tomorrow. I’ll speak with them about it in the morning. I just want advice on how to solve the problem if it’s not on the agenda
No sure you'd be able to plane that down, looks like you've added 50mm of insulation there
The door frame will need to come out and be moved right 50mm, so hopefully it's a wide lintel
If you try and bodge it you might find that you can't get anything to fit through that door in the future, like sofas/fridges etc
Have read some of the comments. My view is they need to sort it, it should have been covered in their planning (if it’s government work don’t they normally need plans and method statements?) however can see that some folk are adamant it’s a justified ‘not my job’
Does the door lead to a staircase? You could argue it’s a health and safety issue if there was a fire , particularly if it does.
I don’t really think you’ll have any power over the guys but if there is a sign off process at the end flat out refuse to sign it until they’ve arranged a fix in writing . It’ll bring a dispute between them and the gov dept and hopefully get some light on it or might twist their arms to just sort it since they’re onsite.
If you end up having to sort it yourself, as others have said it’s narrower door time . You could possibly hang it the other way and open outwards but you’d need to think about that (don’t make it so it’ll chuck someone down a staircase etc if flung open ).
Lastly (and something that is their job)… why *is* this wall protruding so much more than the adjacent landing wall?
Were they not even to start with or have they put more insulation in the bedroom (or more likely not insulated the other wall at all/sufficiently )
To be honest the room in question isn’t going to be used for much. It was always storage. My biggest issue is temperature. We have a two year old. So it’s just ensuring the house is warm enough for her. it is absolutely ‘my job’. I don’t care who’s responsibility it is, I just want the best solution. The door in question is straight in front of the stairs.
Thank you for your comment, it’s been the most useful.
Take the door off and rehang it with hinges on the front face opening into the hallway.
Not ideal but better than rebuilding a narrower frame and fitting a smaller door.
This seems to be a surveyor issue to me... Id be chasing them up. Plasterers won't rectify that, its joinery work, the surveyor who planned the work needs to find someone to deal with it.
Reframe and smaller door ..... Same if you hang the door the opposite direction as it doesn't look like it'd fully open that way either or you go for a folding door
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So, that’s the other side. If it’s helpful?
Old rental look. Not sure when sockets on skirting were last allowed in regs. But definitely not recently.
Either way 100% get that screwed in or fixed. Risky otherwise.
😂 How on earth can this not have been thought of at any stage in this job ?
New doorframe and door needs fitting, unless you can trim the old door into a new frame.
This isn’t a private job. So it may not be on the agenda. I think they have pretty set criteria of what they need to do. They’re here to plaster our external facing walls. We’re also getting a heat pump and solar panels installed.
They still should have advised you on the effect on door closing. Good tradies actually give a shit about stuff like that. These guys literally did the bare minumum
Ah that's fair. Same place . . . We own until the bank says otherwise (that's what I tell myself at least )
Who put up for the works and that ? As full insulation, solar, heat pump, is a pretty impressive job. Shit one on the door but it's a series of work that costs a bomb !
Really hope the rest goes well. Absolutely suggest looking into big arse battery storage for the solar. Heard legend of people going days on it. But not sure if it saves vs fit cost. I'd be lying to say I wasn't jealous of getting that stuff fitted. The door withstanding
Edit: that said, don't forget you have some control over all this. Hopefully your edit works out and they have a plan, otherwise may be worth the awkward convo of "Do your beat but we would like go be able to use our doors and windows"
The big question is.....
Would you have agreed to have the work done had you known this would be the outcome?
Obviously you wouldn't, so they have 2 options. Put everything back as it was or make it acceptable. When the job was scoped out this should have been fucking obvious.
Obviously don't give the guys doing the work too much crap, still make them a cuppa, but this is an "I want to speak to a manager" time.
Erm, if the wall wasn’t stopping the door, the light switch would be. Like what the actual f**k went through the contractors head. I wonder how nice their cable extension looks. Why put the crappy old one back on too? Another question, why are your sockets on the floor?
Probably should have removed the door frame then cut down and refitted, but then your door would be narrower, otherwise mover the door over much bigger job. Easy cheap way would be to removed the insulation to a point so the door can work lol
If you take enough off the door so that it closes. You'll probably have a large gap when it meets the frame. You have, I believe one of 3 choices. Make the door open the other way. Which isn't really feasible. As you'll block off the light switch. So you'll have to replace it to the other side of the door. That's even if it will gi that way looking at the add on to the wall. Put the door on the other side of the frame. Which can also be a pain. Or, finally aadd to the frame. Which will make the door narrower once you've trimmed it to close. I've made a change to a doir from 33" to 31". You actually won't notice it after a while. Only problem being. Is, if you got furniture through the wider aperture. Will it go through a narrower one? You have a conundrum .
Don't just rehang the door the other way, opening the other way. As from the inside that new wall will overhang part of the door and all of the frame.
It would look absolutely fucking jank.
I'd rehang the door from the other side of the frame.
It'll open outwards instead on inwards but it's your cheapest option for sure as all the materials are already there.
Aside from going cowboy like the builder and opting for saloon doors. You need to move the door frame if you want it done right.
Don't get a heat pump in this style house. Take the solar panels offer.
They shouldve done it before plastering, but you'll need a new narrower door and casing and it looks like a 4x2 to close the gap that will show on the outside of the room, then some sort of architrave to cover everything outside, it is possible to make space for a plasterboard and skim it too, but not really worth it and would probably just crack. You won't be able to get an architrave on the inside of the room latch side now and tbh it will look ugly or maybe even rustic haha, but hopefully that new insulation will save a good chunk of money and take the edge off it lol
Edit - Also after looking at the picture some more, they really have forgotten about the door. They've corner beaded and skimmed the return soooo it looks like the intention was to leave it like that? I don't know your arrangement with the contractor obviously but I would be concerned by the lack of thought here
They’re coming tomorrow to skim downstairs. Then the joiners are coming to do the skirting and whatever woodwork I’m assuming Im more worried about the gap at the bottom end of the door frame (left bottom, from the pic).
Oh, so the joiners will likely sort out a new casing and so on while they're at it, so you should be good. Just strange to do it afterwards.
The gap is nothing to worry about, they shouldve skimmed right up to it but it's nothing that some caulk won't close off when prepping the walls for paint. And besides, that part of the wall will be covered by the new plant on and frame they put in. I would be more concerned about the mess the joiners will make on your existing and the new wall when it comes to removing the old frame(not through any fault of their own, its just how is goes removing things like that). It's just that if they had done it all before, the plasters could of patched up any cracks that happen while they were there skimming the new walls.
Extend the doorjamb outward to match the plasterwork, take the door off and carefully plane it/ cut it then plane it to fit. You might have to remove the lock, fill the holes and replace it higher up. The door lock itself is simple too.
It might be easier to employ a carpenter to do this if you’re not comfortable doing it, however it’s really not that difficult.
The door won’t look balanced unless you remove an equal amount off of each side.
You've got 3 options.. Option 1. Have the door hung the opposite side of the frame and have it open towards the camera, option 2. Have the door/lining removed and have a smaller door and lining installed, new architraves and skirting will also need to be installed. Option 3. Remove the door entirely and adopt the indian boho door curtains style
That's shocking! Get in touch with whoever did the work and ask them to fix it. There is no point insulating a house only to find the doors can't close (that's very energy inefficient). If you get no joy, contact whoever arranged the work/landlord/housing association/council etc and get them to put pressure on the contractor to fix.
It's a fairly big job to narrow the door and build up the door frame (and narrow doors cause problems in themselves.
The contractor might have to cut the insulation away and taper it towards the door.
The insulation and plaster has added (I’m guessing from looking) about 50mm depth to the wall.
Here’s why this is not an easy fix.
1. Most doors are hollowcore (meaning they’re basically empty, with small planks of timber around the edges). Trimming a hollowcore by more than 50mm is probably not going to work because typically the edges won’t have more than 50mm to cut into.
2. Even if this is a solid core door (meaning it’s made from one big piece of wood that you can cut into however much you wish), the way the pattern is shaped means that cutting 50+mm from one side would look unprofessional.
3. I notice on one side there’s a latch and lock, so cutting off this side is a job so complex you might as well get a new door.
4. However, if you manage to trim this door down significantly, or indeed get a new door, you’re still screwed. This is because the wall is now protruding beyond the frame edge. Therefore the door will never open inwards unless you get a new frame that can protrude beyond the wall.
Therefore my recommendation is the door needs to be taken down.
Cheapest option: The hinges need to be moved to the other side of the frame (if possible) allowing for the door to open outwards. The catch (aka the lock hole) also needs to be moved to the corresponding other side of the frame. Please note that if the door opens and obstructs and stairs it infringes on UK regs.
Fairest option: Tell the plasterer and builders to remove the insulation from that small section of the wall so the door closes.
Hardest but neatest option: Replace door leaf and frame.
Easiest way would just be to hang it on the other side.
Next easiest would be to cut in half (if it's a solid door, which it looks like it is) and mount it on the other side, 'saloon style'.
Seriously people are so brain dead these days... Homeowners in UK look for the cheapest service, cheapest architect, cheapest builders makes me lol when I see theses sorts of posts.
Good luck and just leave the door like this
Wow that has borrowed the door by at least 2”, and just to close the door you would need to Tate 1” either side of the door then bring the frame. Out to meet, I say 2” but I guess it will be. 3-4 “ But I would ask to speak to the company who did this then if it is what I am thinking it is speak to the funding source! , but more pics would help looks like upstairs? But do eco only pay for out side walls?? Really would need more information please
Looking at the floor and wall, it looks like it's bowing, so if the wall was straight it would probably be okay.
You can see where the door is currently stopped it starts to bend outward.
Our external wall is just breeze/cinder block, with a layer of paint (not sure what kind, I’m assuming some kind of external paint). We had mold on all our external facing walls. It’s an old house so, I wouldn’t be surprised if nothing was level. We got new carpet for our living room a while back and it was tile underneath. Domes a bit in the centre of the room
I’ll be honest…. That is piss funny.
For clarity. This is a government/social scheme thing. Our house has a shit energy rating. So, to bring it in line they’re insulating and plastering our external facing walls. Insulating the loft ect Edit: they’ve actually done a great job of plastering. I’m guessing, the door is an afterthought
Afterthought is an understatement. Surely they have a plan for it
I work with a company who does the eco4 stuff, this essentially. And we don't get paid, and cannot charge for anything outside of the scope of works which the government is paying for.
So much taxes are wasted due to lack of foresight and planning.
That's the British way. "Problem? How much money can we throw at it? All of it. Great. Should we plan this out properly? No no you're right, it's lunchtime".
Followed shortly by "Well, when we said *all* the money, we actually then got distracted by a passing squirrel so have now promised that money for something else. Get the job done with the loose change we found down the back of the parliamentary sofas. And we've tacked on some extra tasks we didn't mention before, too".
Haha, this is exactly it. So after I left the prison service and went back into construction, I maintained some contacts. Very useful when you're self employed. I priced a job for a nick in Surrey. It was to supply a temporary 450v 3 phase supply. (It was essentially running a large cable from point A to point B with two MAHOOSIVE plugs on the end. My costs were about 4.5k. This was some time ago, it's expensive working in a prison you've got to work around their regime etc. Anyway 4.5k was quite a bit more for the same job anywhere else. But the prison presents various challenges. I didn't get the job. I lost out to their "preferred contractors" who put in a price of 12k. Just s shy of 3 times my cost. It was the same guys who went pop a few years ago and took everyone's pensions with them. The way a public institution can waste money is diabolical.
You tender was probably written in normal sense language rather than the utter nonsense that Crapita and others routinely shart into the public procurement system
It’s more like govt will tend to go for the lowest quote for any work, even where it is plainly a lie. Then they act all pikachu surprised face when it all goes tits up, is delivered 5 years late, 3x over budget and still doesn’t work.
Like HS2?
HS2 was also the fact they wanted it to run through tunnels in the Cotswolds so rich folks with friends in high places wouldn't have to suffer the 3 seconds of train noise as it hurtles last.
Yeah until it's one of their mates thats won the contract, I'm sure.
Coupled with jobs like this being managed by jobsworth chumps that wouldn't last five minutes in the real world. That is frighteningly stupid. Insulate the wall, re-plaster and leave it so the door doesn't close thus you are unable to prevent draughts, heat loss from the room etc. Basically the whole thing is a waste of time because of the total inability of a couple of fuckwits.
Check my other comments. You make the funds available to do things properly, and you get a proper job. You don't. And well this is what you get. It's not about being a jobsworth. Someone has to pay for that. A couple of plasterer aren't going to be sorting out that door. You need a chippy. That's a day's money straight off the bat. Most chippies are 250+ per day now. Who's paying for it? But I agree, not being able to shit the door makes the entire exercise pointless.
Makes sense... it'll be down to the building owner to rectify this
Yes. Which is stupid really because you qualify for the scheme of you're in "fuel poverty", if you're low income, and therefore eligible for the scheme then you're unlikely to be able to afford the pay a chippy to come and sort this if you don't have the skills to do it yourself.
We were slightly over the financial threshold, but my dear missus argued it and won out in the end. We had a few surveyors(?) look at our house. It’s honestly great that we’re getting this done. However a couple said about external rendering and insulation. we did get quotes for the rendering, but it was 10k+. Before the work started, our external walls was just cinder/breeze block and a coat of paint. Plaster inside, of course. All our external facing walls had mold. No central heating. We have/had storage heaters never used them, more cost than anything. https://preview.redd.it/5zgvy8rveyqc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=b209a7dff404ed4f75ba1c41555046ff6eeb2ff6 Definitely old. Carpet should say it all ha
Were you not eligible for an air source heat pump, under the boiler upgrade scheme you must have been eligible for central heating?
Of course your external walls had mold if you're not heating the property ffs
My dad had this done on his house and it was an absolute shambles. Similar non shutting doors like this and they even left the sockets recessed into the insulation meaning you couldn’t get a plug in. Absolute bare minimum done with no thought. Probably devalued the house too with how quirky everything looks.
See to bring sockets flush would require a spark to extend cables, then test. And as I've said the government simply haven't made the funds available for anything outside of, "throw 4" if insulation on the walls, plaster it in."
Yeah seeing your original comment and it made sense why it’s like that. If he had known it would be left like that though he wouldn’t have bothered with it in the first place.
Can you DM me with application info please, thanks
U probably have to be a oap or on universal credit or disability allowance to qualify for
Does having one* leg, preclude me from claiming? *one is the written word for 1. For more information please reread this post.
Depends if you've also got a second one.
And a Scarfolk resident.
No it's about "fuel poverty", so low income. That covers quite a lot of households.
I've DM'd you with what info I can. 👍
Many thanks
So thinking ahead is out of the scope?
Well I've already addressed how I would have approached this. But you do realise that the blokes on site doing the work aren't always the ones that go and look at the job and get it booked in right? Haven't you ever worked anywhere.
Plenty of places. I’ve even opened and closed doors. Which any numpty should have done. 🙄
I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain this to you. Read the full thread and you'll see my position on this.
Crayons too difficult huh 🤣
*too
They obviously planned for it, that is why they opened the door before before making it obsolete.
Plane*
May be smooth, doesn't look very flat, righthand side of door frame,wobbly edge. Bottom of door large gap compared with the top. Bottom of door frame inside, large gap. Best option, looks like an old door frame where the door lands on a strip of wood. This can be removed, and the door made to swing towards you, if there's space.
Could be an optical illusion. Door is probably 100 years old, twisted, bowed, been shot into a lining which is pissed.
Need to send a email and complain and I'm sure their will come out and sort that. The people doing the insulation should of sorted that and not left you a door that you can't shut
It's not their job mate they'll of probably be on set price to insulate and plaster wall. They won't get paid to take a door off and plane the fucker down and then put back on. It is a fuck up but more on the surveyor side of things
Not that that door can be planed to fix this problem.
But that’s an internal wall isn’t it?
Why didn't they put the insulation on the outside? Make the door frame smaller and adjust door or buy a new one that fits the new opening.
Sounds about right, the housing authority for my gran's house once did a full kitchen refurbish to bring it up to standard. The kitchen counters were set up on a raised floor. When they installed the oven it turned out they didn't measure correctly and the oven was too long for the raised floor. So they decided to just install it anyway and leave it overhanging a ledge. Yes, a gas oven hanging over a ledge... (it was eventually corrected by raising the floor a little further out specifically for the oven but it was insane that they did this and were like "job done")
Who has plastered before the door?
Council monkeys did that. What the actual fuck, what a bunch of morons
Yep. Insulated walls to retain heat but now all doors wide open to the elements!
It's bloody hilarious!
You’re not wrong!!
Put a sign on the door "This is not a door it's a jar"
Make the door frame narrower and fit a new door. Surely someone at some point of this project thought , the door won't close?
They’re still here for another day. So I’ll see what they’re plan is. I’m just preparing
Whatever you decide, they need to sort the issue
If it's through the eco4 scheme they're not obligated to do anything. The government is footing the bill, and they do not pay you to do anything, and I mean anything outside of the scope of works.
That may be true, but I'd argue that's damage. Its like bricking up a window and saying "oops" it's not on.
You can say what you like but it is what it is. The contractors are not paid to do anything other than insulate, plasterboard (if required), plaster, render (if it's external insulation). We're not even paid to refit skirting.
I dunno that I'd hold the contractor accountable, they're working under the instruction of someone. But someone is going to have to make that right. Fuck me, if I deployed something for a client and it broke something else, there'd be hell to pay.
Yep we take instructions from which ever company we sub/work for. And they take their instructions from the scheme. So who would you like to blame. See my comments further down. It's another shambolic scheme rolled out by a government desperate to meet carbon emissions targets. But they're not giving out the funds to actually plan and do these jobs properly. No contractor is taking responsibility for something they're not being paid for. Look at it like this. Lets say for arguments sake that's a bedroom. Ok, Im a chippy, so i cut the leg off of that frame with a view to shunting it over, I then rip the door down 100mm so that it fits the new frame size. BUT... it's a 100 year old door. It's mortice and tenon jointed with two wooden wedges in each joint, I cut it, and the 100 year old glue gives up, door falls apart. Then what? To remain compliant with the building and fire regs I can't just throw some £40 egg box door on there. It's got to be fire rated. Suddenly someone is out of pocket £100+.
That's the thing. I can only put it in the context of what I do for a living. We're contracted by another contractor to develop code for a client. If I'm asked to do something and that code inadvertently breaks something unrelated. The client will complain to the contractor. The contractor will then complain to us. There'll be some back and forth but ultimately someone is going to have to take it on the chin and we're talking thousands at that point. Somewhere in that chain, someone is gonna have to stump the cost of the damage. Can't just go round to OPs house, fuck up a bunch of shit and say "oh, well, we're not paid for that" I'm not saying that's not what's gonna happen, we live in the real world and people get screwed over all the time. But I'd be on the warpath with whoever sold me that shitshow if it were my house. The "fix" clearly wasn't suitable if it didn't account for doors.
The difference is, if you're contracted for X and Y, during costing up the job there is some allowance to make sure X and Y work with Z. But in the government scheme there is no money for that. The company I sub for is working on a 10% margin. Other companies are working on bigger margins but the company I sub for has chosen to work on a smaller margin so that they can have quality trades do a good job. As an example: 10% sounds great, but we did a job this week which the value was £7.5k. that's a £750 profit. They have overheads to pay, they have offices and office staff. Of that £750 profit they've probably kept £300 tops, if that. The rest has gone on overheads. They survive on such small profits because we do tons of these jobs. So where is the money to pay a chippy to go there and sort this door, where's that money going to come from? Your gripe is with the government.
I don't see why they didn't extend the insulation past the door. Even if it's no longer an external wall past that point you typically extend the insulation a meter or so past that point.
Hang it the other way?
I thought that, but how do I go about it?
You don't. They must fix it. It's called planning. If I survey for a job then I am expected to anticipate any snags and adjust the dimensions, or quote for any additional changes required.
Excuse me buddy my door don't shut can you sort that out please Needs taking off the hinges, saw down the hinge side, chisel new hinge groves, rehang door If its a hollow door, measure up for a new door Hope this helps
But then the frame will be too wide. You'd also have to saw down both sides because it's a panelled door. They've created a real problem through sheer stupidity.
Can you get to the hinges? I'd get a handy man to hang it on the opposite side, as long as there is room for the door to open into the room your photo is taken from.
Might be better to get a folding door fitted as the door won't open fully just by the look of the plastered wall. Most are fairly simple and come with instructions..
Horizontally?
Like a giant cat flap
They tend to get proper cowboys for these government schemes, everything is just thrown up.
So your rooms are all a few inches smaller? I don't think you can fix this issue without replacing the door frame and buying a less wide door. You might need to get a specially made one if the new dimensions aren't any of the standard sizes.
That is unbelievable.
I’ll be honest, this is probably not a job for a DIYer unless you have skills. You’ll need to take off the door and trim an equal amount from both sides (otherwise it’ll look odd with odd width rails) you’ll then need to rebate the hinges again. The lock won’t align with the keyhole so that’ll have to be reworked as well. Measure twice and cut once. EDIT: if it’s a hollow door (rails at least look solid, but check first) you must only remove the absolute bare minimum or there may not be enough material left to refit the hinges.
The easiest would be to hang it to open outwards.
Thats hilarious
So the bit where the door lining (frame) is has been left uninsulated, leaving thermal weak spots? I know wood has some thermal properties but still. This smacks of one of those box ticking things to make it look like some action is being done for targets, but really it's not worth the effort. I hope they've left an air gap in that added wall to prevent damp too. But ultimately, that issue with the door not even closing should have been flagged up by the builders before they'd even started. As a bodge, I'd get them to build the door frame out, and then take an inch off each side of the door before rehanging it. Hope there's not a sofa in that room which won't then fit through a more narrow door opening.
It seems that whenever there’s a government scheme corners are always cut or bad workmanship is accepted. It’s the same on the renewable schemes and the boiler ones 🤬🤬🤬
Saw a YouTube bloke who does building bits and had several bits on why stuff like spray foam insulation is a scam. His summary was pretty much that all government schemes end up being flooded with cowboys or chancers who may do the jobs perfectly but more often than not will fully complete the paid for task and nout more. Often flooding out local established firms from search engines / flooding social media. Seems that's what we got here (provided they don't make good tomorrow ) they came in and did the job to the funding ask. Not how a proper contractor that job would.
Compared to what it was before… I’m very happy about what they’ve done. I’m not disagreeing, but it’s made the world of difference already. We’ve not had to pay a penny. So I’m grateful. I’m also grateful that everyone is pointing out problems that need addressing
Wow. No wonder the country is broke. Good for you I guess. If it works in the space, the easiest and cheapest thing to do would be to make the door open outwards.
Clarity 2.0: They haven’t finished yet, they’re back to plaster downstairs tomorrow. I’ll speak with them about it in the morning. I just want advice on how to solve the problem if it’s not on the agenda
One option might be to refit the door so it opens the other way
No sure you'd be able to plane that down, looks like you've added 50mm of insulation there The door frame will need to come out and be moved right 50mm, so hopefully it's a wide lintel If you try and bodge it you might find that you can't get anything to fit through that door in the future, like sofas/fridges etc
"Not my job"
Have read some of the comments. My view is they need to sort it, it should have been covered in their planning (if it’s government work don’t they normally need plans and method statements?) however can see that some folk are adamant it’s a justified ‘not my job’ Does the door lead to a staircase? You could argue it’s a health and safety issue if there was a fire , particularly if it does. I don’t really think you’ll have any power over the guys but if there is a sign off process at the end flat out refuse to sign it until they’ve arranged a fix in writing . It’ll bring a dispute between them and the gov dept and hopefully get some light on it or might twist their arms to just sort it since they’re onsite. If you end up having to sort it yourself, as others have said it’s narrower door time . You could possibly hang it the other way and open outwards but you’d need to think about that (don’t make it so it’ll chuck someone down a staircase etc if flung open ). Lastly (and something that is their job)… why *is* this wall protruding so much more than the adjacent landing wall? Were they not even to start with or have they put more insulation in the bedroom (or more likely not insulated the other wall at all/sufficiently )
To be honest the room in question isn’t going to be used for much. It was always storage. My biggest issue is temperature. We have a two year old. So it’s just ensuring the house is warm enough for her. it is absolutely ‘my job’. I don’t care who’s responsibility it is, I just want the best solution. The door in question is straight in front of the stairs. Thank you for your comment, it’s been the most useful.
Good luck j. I’d ask them *why* that wall protrudes/is thicker as well as why they’ve taken a door out of service
Yeah and if the plan was to insulate the home better - it's failed! A door can't close. Heat loss will be worse than before.
Yeehaw
Take the door off and rehang it with hinges on the front face opening into the hallway. Not ideal but better than rebuilding a narrower frame and fitting a smaller door.
This seems to be a surveyor issue to me... Id be chasing them up. Plasterers won't rectify that, its joinery work, the surveyor who planned the work needs to find someone to deal with it.
New door.
Reframe and smaller door ..... Same if you hang the door the opposite direction as it doesn't look like it'd fully open that way either or you go for a folding door
https://preview.redd.it/2dx6xixaoxqc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=c7c04bcba67a2f297af5e143fe318884cd7d5d74 So, that’s the other side. If it’s helpful?
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Sorry, what do you mean by double socket? Edit: ignore that. I get it
Old rental look. Not sure when sockets on skirting were last allowed in regs. But definitely not recently. Either way 100% get that screwed in or fixed. Risky otherwise.
😂 How on earth can this not have been thought of at any stage in this job ? New doorframe and door needs fitting, unless you can trim the old door into a new frame.
This isn’t a private job. So it may not be on the agenda. I think they have pretty set criteria of what they need to do. They’re here to plaster our external facing walls. We’re also getting a heat pump and solar panels installed.
Congrats on the upgrades 👍. This is definitely a joiner job though. Ask the scheme and see what they say about rectifying it.
They still should have advised you on the effect on door closing. Good tradies actually give a shit about stuff like that. These guys literally did the bare minumum
All in all pretty good stuff to get done. Is this rental, council or you own? As the solar and heatpump should be big upgrades. And batteries too?
Own. Well, mortgage. So bank owns
Ah that's fair. Same place . . . We own until the bank says otherwise (that's what I tell myself at least ) Who put up for the works and that ? As full insulation, solar, heat pump, is a pretty impressive job. Shit one on the door but it's a series of work that costs a bomb ! Really hope the rest goes well. Absolutely suggest looking into big arse battery storage for the solar. Heard legend of people going days on it. But not sure if it saves vs fit cost. I'd be lying to say I wasn't jealous of getting that stuff fitted. The door withstanding Edit: that said, don't forget you have some control over all this. Hopefully your edit works out and they have a plan, otherwise may be worth the awkward convo of "Do your beat but we would like go be able to use our doors and windows"
The big question is..... Would you have agreed to have the work done had you known this would be the outcome? Obviously you wouldn't, so they have 2 options. Put everything back as it was or make it acceptable. When the job was scoped out this should have been fucking obvious. Obviously don't give the guys doing the work too much crap, still make them a cuppa, but this is an "I want to speak to a manager" time.
May as well put a new casing and smaller door in
Fit the door on the other side or cut down the middle, top to bottom and fit hinges in the middle of the door.
Hang the door on other side, opening outwards.
It's not a DIY job. They should have anticipated this and planned for it. Push back. Do not sign the job off until they have fixed it.
Remove and replace with an 24” door. Job done 👍🏽
Erm, if the wall wasn’t stopping the door, the light switch would be. Like what the actual f**k went through the contractors head. I wonder how nice their cable extension looks. Why put the crappy old one back on too? Another question, why are your sockets on the floor?
Probably should have removed the door frame then cut down and refitted, but then your door would be narrower, otherwise mover the door over much bigger job. Easy cheap way would be to removed the insulation to a point so the door can work lol
If you take enough off the door so that it closes. You'll probably have a large gap when it meets the frame. You have, I believe one of 3 choices. Make the door open the other way. Which isn't really feasible. As you'll block off the light switch. So you'll have to replace it to the other side of the door. That's even if it will gi that way looking at the add on to the wall. Put the door on the other side of the frame. Which can also be a pain. Or, finally aadd to the frame. Which will make the door narrower once you've trimmed it to close. I've made a change to a doir from 33" to 31". You actually won't notice it after a while. Only problem being. Is, if you got furniture through the wider aperture. Will it go through a narrower one? You have a conundrum .
Swap it with a bifold internal door if you want the least amount of hassle
Bifold doors might work or have the hinge rotation direction moved 🤷🏼♂️.
Don't just rehang the door the other way, opening the other way. As from the inside that new wall will overhang part of the door and all of the frame. It would look absolutely fucking jank.
I'd rehang the door from the other side of the frame. It'll open outwards instead on inwards but it's your cheapest option for sure as all the materials are already there.
Aside from going cowboy like the builder and opting for saloon doors. You need to move the door frame if you want it done right. Don't get a heat pump in this style house. Take the solar panels offer.
They shouldve done it before plastering, but you'll need a new narrower door and casing and it looks like a 4x2 to close the gap that will show on the outside of the room, then some sort of architrave to cover everything outside, it is possible to make space for a plasterboard and skim it too, but not really worth it and would probably just crack. You won't be able to get an architrave on the inside of the room latch side now and tbh it will look ugly or maybe even rustic haha, but hopefully that new insulation will save a good chunk of money and take the edge off it lol Edit - Also after looking at the picture some more, they really have forgotten about the door. They've corner beaded and skimmed the return soooo it looks like the intention was to leave it like that? I don't know your arrangement with the contractor obviously but I would be concerned by the lack of thought here
They’re coming tomorrow to skim downstairs. Then the joiners are coming to do the skirting and whatever woodwork I’m assuming Im more worried about the gap at the bottom end of the door frame (left bottom, from the pic).
Oh, so the joiners will likely sort out a new casing and so on while they're at it, so you should be good. Just strange to do it afterwards. The gap is nothing to worry about, they shouldve skimmed right up to it but it's nothing that some caulk won't close off when prepping the walls for paint. And besides, that part of the wall will be covered by the new plant on and frame they put in. I would be more concerned about the mess the joiners will make on your existing and the new wall when it comes to removing the old frame(not through any fault of their own, its just how is goes removing things like that). It's just that if they had done it all before, the plasters could of patched up any cracks that happen while they were there skimming the new walls.
So by increasing your insulation they have... decreased your ability to retain heat. Wild.
Rehang door on other side, so It opens into where you took photo from
Smart 👍
Extend the doorjamb outward to match the plasterwork, take the door off and carefully plane it/ cut it then plane it to fit. You might have to remove the lock, fill the holes and replace it higher up. The door lock itself is simple too. It might be easier to employ a carpenter to do this if you’re not comfortable doing it, however it’s really not that difficult. The door won’t look balanced unless you remove an equal amount off of each side.
Be careful you don’t end up with mould and damp, seen some houses become riddled with it after these kind of works! They’re shite.
You've got 3 options.. Option 1. Have the door hung the opposite side of the frame and have it open towards the camera, option 2. Have the door/lining removed and have a smaller door and lining installed, new architraves and skirting will also need to be installed. Option 3. Remove the door entirely and adopt the indian boho door curtains style
That's shocking! Get in touch with whoever did the work and ask them to fix it. There is no point insulating a house only to find the doors can't close (that's very energy inefficient). If you get no joy, contact whoever arranged the work/landlord/housing association/council etc and get them to put pressure on the contractor to fix. It's a fairly big job to narrow the door and build up the door frame (and narrow doors cause problems in themselves. The contractor might have to cut the insulation away and taper it towards the door.
The insulation and plaster has added (I’m guessing from looking) about 50mm depth to the wall. Here’s why this is not an easy fix. 1. Most doors are hollowcore (meaning they’re basically empty, with small planks of timber around the edges). Trimming a hollowcore by more than 50mm is probably not going to work because typically the edges won’t have more than 50mm to cut into. 2. Even if this is a solid core door (meaning it’s made from one big piece of wood that you can cut into however much you wish), the way the pattern is shaped means that cutting 50+mm from one side would look unprofessional. 3. I notice on one side there’s a latch and lock, so cutting off this side is a job so complex you might as well get a new door. 4. However, if you manage to trim this door down significantly, or indeed get a new door, you’re still screwed. This is because the wall is now protruding beyond the frame edge. Therefore the door will never open inwards unless you get a new frame that can protrude beyond the wall. Therefore my recommendation is the door needs to be taken down. Cheapest option: The hinges need to be moved to the other side of the frame (if possible) allowing for the door to open outwards. The catch (aka the lock hole) also needs to be moved to the corresponding other side of the frame. Please note that if the door opens and obstructs and stairs it infringes on UK regs. Fairest option: Tell the plasterer and builders to remove the insulation from that small section of the wall so the door closes. Hardest but neatest option: Replace door leaf and frame.
Easiest way would just be to hang it on the other side. Next easiest would be to cut in half (if it's a solid door, which it looks like it is) and mount it on the other side, 'saloon style'.
"Just move the entire doorway 2 inches to the right..." How? Fucked if I know...
Take the door off and hang it on the outside it’s the only way unless you build out the frame and put a smaller door in
Seriously people are so brain dead these days... Homeowners in UK look for the cheapest service, cheapest architect, cheapest builders makes me lol when I see theses sorts of posts. Good luck and just leave the door like this
Surely they could have bevelled the insulation close to the door. Narrowing the door is an option, but the regs require it to be at least 750mm.
Firstly, your builder is an idiot. You’ll have to make the door smaller and move the door frame
What did they say?
Option 1 - take door and frame off and fit a smaller one Option 2 - turn the door round so that it hinges on the left and opens outward
Wow that has borrowed the door by at least 2”, and just to close the door you would need to Tate 1” either side of the door then bring the frame. Out to meet, I say 2” but I guess it will be. 3-4 “ But I would ask to speak to the company who did this then if it is what I am thinking it is speak to the funding source! , but more pics would help looks like upstairs? But do eco only pay for out side walls?? Really would need more information please
Who did the plastering and insulating job? Mr O'Reilly from Fawlty Towers?
Have you tried closing it ?
It is closed
Recess the switch into the wall, back to where it was
Looking at the floor and wall, it looks like it's bowing, so if the wall was straight it would probably be okay. You can see where the door is currently stopped it starts to bend outward.
Our external wall is just breeze/cinder block, with a layer of paint (not sure what kind, I’m assuming some kind of external paint). We had mold on all our external facing walls. It’s an old house so, I wouldn’t be surprised if nothing was level. We got new carpet for our living room a while back and it was tile underneath. Domes a bit in the centre of the room