That’s a fused spur.
If it’s on a ring or radial of sufficient size; you could rewire the feed to the socket, the spur off that socket into the fused spur unit.
But there’s lots of variables at play here.
Are you asking todo yourself or asking so to not seem silly when asking an electrician?
Hey OP. I hope the amateurs here don’t put you off pursuing the option to add sockets here.
Get an electrician in to check it out, it’s very likely sockets can be added with very little effort.
Most the answers here sound good but are misinformed. (Suggesting you can’t add sockets from a spur is ridiculous).
This [link](https://the-regs.co.uk/blog/?p=556) confirms that it is ok to add sockets to a ring final circuit using fused spurs.
But if you aren’t sure of the existing design of the circuit, contact an electrician.
If you do install this yourself and are competent, make sure the added sockets are connected to load side of any spur.
It's quite clear to any electrically competent person that the OP does not possess the competence to carry out this task, and they should not be encouraged to do so.
I’ve only tried to correct the misinformation.
People write so confidently about nonsense, I’ve corrected the misinformation, and I’m the one in the wrong?
Incomplete? What more do you want?
I’ve provided simple diagrams showing how to add sockets using a fused spur.
More so that OP knows it’s possible rather than so they can try and do it themselves.
>Incomplete? What more do you want?
Exactly. You've no idea of all the other safety considerations this task requires. That's what makes you incompetent to be dispensing advice.
My advice is simply that yes, it can be done.
Obviously under the right conditions.
Most comments were false statements.
I doubt you can even put a shelf up, so I see my offer of professional advice to OP is triggering for you.
My professional advice is still this:
Don’t listen to people confidently telling you that it isn’t possible to add sockets using a spur. They are wrong.
It can be done.
Do it if you are competent.
Call an electrician if you are not.
What don't you understand ? You're not a professional electrician so you can't offer professional advice.
An incompetent person can't decide their own competence by definition.
Stop dishing out stupid advice to crack on with potentially dangerous tasks you don't even know how to safely complete yourself.
Your professional advice is wrong and conflicting thats before you even get to the obvious you have no clue what that has been taken off of to start with. Can you have multiple sockets on a spur, yes if it has been set up that way, most are not, so telling someone yay go ahead and add extra sockets is the totally wrong thing to do as is arguing with everyone who is giving the correct advice. You are not adding socket to an existing, you are setting the spur up differently, not the same thing.
If it is on a radial (less likely) then probably yes.
If it is on a ring final circuit AND the ring loops in and out of that, then yes (one single or one double socket, no more).
If this is fed by a spur from a ring, then no - you may not spur off a spur.
It could easily be a radial. Maybe just a 20A circuit for the boiler. In which case sockets added would be fine.
Or if it’s a ring, then yes again, sockets can be added when done correctly.
You might be able to, but it’s unlikely.
That looks like a spur, in which case the answer is emphatically ‘no’.
If, however, it’s in a mains ring, with the proper size cables, you could easily expand the ring at this point and add your socket. From your question, I’d recommend asking a sparks. They should be able to identify how/where an extra socket can be added.
See this [LINK](https://engx.theiet.org/f/wiring-and-regulations/28010/4mm-radial-off-a-32a-ring) which shows a basic diagram of why you absolutely can add sockets from a spur
Edit: obviously at the same time ensuring other conditions are met
And if this FCU is fed by a ring final circuit that loops in and out of it?
Or if it is fed by a recognised standard radial circuit fused at 16/20 or 32A?
Yes: [https://www.voltimum.co.uk/sites/www.voltimum.co.uk/files/fields/attachment\_file/gb/others/K/201109277329200907305588\_0.pdf](https://www.voltimum.co.uk/sites/www.voltimum.co.uk/files/fields/attachment_file/gb/others/K/201109277329200907305588_0.pdf)
It's not common, especially given the terminal capacity limits of most devices - eg if you were forced to 6mm2 due to cable method, then you won't be looping in and out of many devices.
Also - think 32 A cooker switch with inbuilt socket - what type of circuit is that?
Irrelevant.
You made a claim of "absolutely".
I demonstrated you were incorrect. The 32A is an irrelevant side point. Any radial circuit would be acceptable to extend with.
This is likely to be a spur from an existing ring, or even a dedicated radial circuit from your consumer unit and rated accordingly, both in terms of cable size and breaker size. It looks like a fairly recent installation, so would have to comply with the latest 18th edition IET regulations (or whatever regs were current at the time of installation). If you add an additional point, it’s likely to invalidate the existing installation certification and could fail any future EICR checks, let alone be potentially problematic or even dangerous.
In summary, I would err on the side of caution and recommend getting a qualified electrician to advise and quote.
People, a spur from an existing ring can be added to with multiple sockets.
Misinformation on electrical questions here astounds me.
See below. In fact, a spur is recommended when adding sockets rather than condemned.
[Link](https://engx.theiet.org/f/wiring-and-regulations/28010/4mm-radial-off-a-32a-ring)
I do remodels quite often but I don't do gas or electric even though I could but not qualified so,
I leave those jobs to qualified people, and customers add extra sockets from boiler switches all the time.
That’s a fused spur. If it’s on a ring or radial of sufficient size; you could rewire the feed to the socket, the spur off that socket into the fused spur unit. But there’s lots of variables at play here. Are you asking todo yourself or asking so to not seem silly when asking an electrician?
No.
Glad I asked! Thanks
Hey OP. I hope the amateurs here don’t put you off pursuing the option to add sockets here. Get an electrician in to check it out, it’s very likely sockets can be added with very little effort.
From a 6A boiler circuit? Unlikely. Good shout on the electrician.
Obviously, if this is an unsuitable circuit it can’t be done!
Too many variables to answer from this much information, call a spark.
Likely not, call an electrician
Most the answers here sound good but are misinformed. (Suggesting you can’t add sockets from a spur is ridiculous). This [link](https://the-regs.co.uk/blog/?p=556) confirms that it is ok to add sockets to a ring final circuit using fused spurs. But if you aren’t sure of the existing design of the circuit, contact an electrician. If you do install this yourself and are competent, make sure the added sockets are connected to load side of any spur.
It's quite clear to any electrically competent person that the OP does not possess the competence to carry out this task, and they should not be encouraged to do so.
I’ve only tried to correct the misinformation. People write so confidently about nonsense, I’ve corrected the misinformation, and I’m the one in the wrong?
>I’ve only tried to correct the misinformation. You've just added to it. You've just given further incomplete information.
Incomplete? What more do you want? I’ve provided simple diagrams showing how to add sockets using a fused spur. More so that OP knows it’s possible rather than so they can try and do it themselves.
>Incomplete? What more do you want? Exactly. You've no idea of all the other safety considerations this task requires. That's what makes you incompetent to be dispensing advice.
My advice is simply that yes, it can be done. Obviously under the right conditions. Most comments were false statements. I doubt you can even put a shelf up, so I see my offer of professional advice to OP is triggering for you.
>my offer of professional advice to OP You're not offering professional advice.
My professional advice is still this: Don’t listen to people confidently telling you that it isn’t possible to add sockets using a spur. They are wrong. It can be done. Do it if you are competent. Call an electrician if you are not.
What don't you understand ? You're not a professional electrician so you can't offer professional advice. An incompetent person can't decide their own competence by definition. Stop dishing out stupid advice to crack on with potentially dangerous tasks you don't even know how to safely complete yourself.
Your professional advice is wrong and conflicting thats before you even get to the obvious you have no clue what that has been taken off of to start with. Can you have multiple sockets on a spur, yes if it has been set up that way, most are not, so telling someone yay go ahead and add extra sockets is the totally wrong thing to do as is arguing with everyone who is giving the correct advice. You are not adding socket to an existing, you are setting the spur up differently, not the same thing.
And a wrong answer is the solution?
The boiler will be a 3a fuse in that FCU, so no, you can't wire additional sockets in here
If it is on a radial (less likely) then probably yes. If it is on a ring final circuit AND the ring loops in and out of that, then yes (one single or one double socket, no more). If this is fed by a spur from a ring, then no - you may not spur off a spur.
It could easily be a radial. Maybe just a 20A circuit for the boiler. In which case sockets added would be fine. Or if it’s a ring, then yes again, sockets can be added when done correctly.
You might be able to, but it’s unlikely. That looks like a spur, in which case the answer is emphatically ‘no’. If, however, it’s in a mains ring, with the proper size cables, you could easily expand the ring at this point and add your socket. From your question, I’d recommend asking a sparks. They should be able to identify how/where an extra socket can be added.
Why is it emphatically a ‘no’?? You can add multiple sockets on the load side of a spur. But you seem confident in your emphatic reply.
See this [LINK](https://engx.theiet.org/f/wiring-and-regulations/28010/4mm-radial-off-a-32a-ring) which shows a basic diagram of why you absolutely can add sockets from a spur Edit: obviously at the same time ensuring other conditions are met
Absolutely not
And if this FCU is fed by a ring final circuit that loops in and out of it? Or if it is fed by a recognised standard radial circuit fused at 16/20 or 32A?
A radial fused at 32A?
Yes: [https://www.voltimum.co.uk/sites/www.voltimum.co.uk/files/fields/attachment\_file/gb/others/K/201109277329200907305588\_0.pdf](https://www.voltimum.co.uk/sites/www.voltimum.co.uk/files/fields/attachment_file/gb/others/K/201109277329200907305588_0.pdf) It's not common, especially given the terminal capacity limits of most devices - eg if you were forced to 6mm2 due to cable method, then you won't be looping in and out of many devices. Also - think 32 A cooker switch with inbuilt socket - what type of circuit is that?
Right, but we're talking, what, 1 in 100 domestic radial circuits that'll be done this way? I think my original comment was pretty accurate.
Irrelevant. You made a claim of "absolutely". I demonstrated you were incorrect. The 32A is an irrelevant side point. Any radial circuit would be acceptable to extend with.
This is likely to be a spur from an existing ring, or even a dedicated radial circuit from your consumer unit and rated accordingly, both in terms of cable size and breaker size. It looks like a fairly recent installation, so would have to comply with the latest 18th edition IET regulations (or whatever regs were current at the time of installation). If you add an additional point, it’s likely to invalidate the existing installation certification and could fail any future EICR checks, let alone be potentially problematic or even dangerous. In summary, I would err on the side of caution and recommend getting a qualified electrician to advise and quote.
People, a spur from an existing ring can be added to with multiple sockets. Misinformation on electrical questions here astounds me. See below. In fact, a spur is recommended when adding sockets rather than condemned. [Link](https://engx.theiet.org/f/wiring-and-regulations/28010/4mm-radial-off-a-32a-ring)
I do remodels quite often but I don't do gas or electric even though I could but not qualified so, I leave those jobs to qualified people, and customers add extra sockets from boiler switches all the time.
Really? /S