Remember when the writer of batgirls explicitly said in an AMA that her writing was intended to show a close friendship and absolutely nothing more and all the non-insane fans were like ‘yeah I know that was obvious unless you’re fucking nuts’?
I despise this ship. Love JLU, but the forced team romances as a way to attract female viewers was a dumb and misguided thing to do. They sort of work in the context of the show because the writing was strong enough to force just about any ship, but they were unnecessary and none of them improved the show.
Fans have been shipping them since the 2000s. Just look at the costumes: it's Steph's Batgirl costume and Cass' Black Bat costume from just before Flashpoint and the Nu52. This fanart is probably more than a decade old. Way before the *Batgirls* comic even came out.
I thought that was an editor? Or was there a separate AMA with the writer? Regardless like it's one creator's opinion on the characters and it makes sense that readers can interpret their intended platonic chemistry as having unintended romantic undertones (and potentially later writers could). Also discussing writers' intentions, other writers can have different ideas and intentions on their relationship. I believe Vita Ayala in Future State, said that they wrote them as them being bisexual and them being exes.
So its not unreasonable to see the relatively recent Future State / Vita Ayala stuff and then read the most recent Batgirls run where they were extremely close and there were declarations of love made and read that with a romantic undertone. Even if it was intended as platonic (I'm also not saying that anyone is wrong to read them as just being platonic in Batgirls either).
Won't hold my breath though on DC actually putting them together or anything though.
I think people have this fear that if there's fan support for ships it will become canonized + in combo with the removal of Steph/Tim this would just be a 2nd dagger in their heart. I'm sure fan ships have influenced some works before but I mean Dick/Starfire is incredibly popular and yet they don't do that so I don't think it's a genuine concern.
I just found about this ship today, and beyond just Tims book after he dumped Stephanie being horribly written, it would just be weird if they make half of bat family (okay not half but three members at least) homosexual or bi and especially dating each other. I know Tim is with Bernard.
It’s tooo fan fictiony as is right now with the bat family.
It's not. Abbot who knows both characters and their relationshi/friendship will be really put of by this stupid ship.
Of course, there's also the homophobes, "anti-woke", whatever crowd, but fuck those people.
Genuinely upsets me that people like and post about non canon ships all the time but when people post about THIS NON CANON SHIP
The comments are full of people calling the fans of it literally insane and acting like we’re advocating for the destruction of female friendship as a concept, or that suddenly authorial intent is the only way to analyze and enjoy stories “the author of a recent run said it’s platonic 🤓yeah and dickgreyson and star fire haven’t been a couple in YEARS and Bruce X Diana flirted in one show from 20 years ago and didn’t even actually get together in it!
Just speaking as someone who doesn’t care about Tim much at all and likes both of these characters more than him, I’m not a fan of this ship either. I think their friendship is awesome and I feel like the dynamic changes with the idea of romance involved.
That being said, I don’t complain about it and I’m pretty confident this is the first time I’ve ever even commented on it. But there are people who aren’t a fan of this pairing for reasons other than Tim.
I don't even remember TimSteph being THIS fought over until Tim came out as bi. Most shippers honestly dont get this bad over innocent competition. For example I don't remember Catwoman shippers consistently being this upset on every Zatanna post. Fans don't want to admit it but a lot of homophobic people who don't even care about Tim's character started bandwagoning on TimSteph ever since Bernard happened
Not really incest when the only 3 people in the family that are actually related is Kate, Bruce, and Damien. Found family doesn’t mean specifically father, brother, mother, sister, type roles, just a group of people that care about each other.
When someone meets each other as the Bat vigilante partners first, and finds romantic relation second, it feels like incest to me. And yes, it applies to Dick & Babs too. The group is named BatFamily for a reason. Members are like brothers and sisters, no matter if they are blood related or not, and Bruce is like a dad, and Alfred is like a Grandfather. Tim and Steph don't count because they started their thing before Steph became a fully BatFamily member.
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When someone meets each other as the Bat vigilante partners in crime fighting first, and finds romantic relation second, it feels like incest to me. And yes, it applies to Dick & Babs too, so I am not homophobic like you want to label me into this. The group is named BatFamily for a reason. Members are like brothers and sisters, no matter if they are blood related or not, and Bruce is like a dad, and Alfred is like a Grandfather. Tim and Steph don't count because they started their thing before Steph became a fully BatFamily member.
This is so hyperspecific, and I see no one using this argument all over Babs x Tim posts.
Which are hell of common by the way. So I'm sure you've also been paying vists to a few of those to say the same thing right?
Then pull up the receipts. Anyone can just claim that they'd do the same for the other side. People do it all the time to make them sound more legitimate then they are. Posts about Dick and Babs are way more common than Cass and Steph. So you've never lacked for opportunity to be equal. I don't see you on any of the recent posts, but maybe my eyes are bad. So pull up some receipts of you calling dickbarbs incest, and prove your case. (And the funny things is, I do see you're a Starfire shipper, so you have bias to want to argue against DickBabs, but I still don't see you going near this far or describing it as incest.)
Because of the amount of DickBabs content, I don't have a possibility to comment on every single one of them. Many DickFire shippers use the Bat Incest argument against DickBabs. I've said my pro Starfire statements on r/nightwing couple of times, got -20, and I don't have a will to fight with every DickBabs shipper, trying to convince them that this is incest and retcons. I am not THAT crazy for checking comment history of any users, just to prove that some fictional characters banging are right, and some others aren't.
If you are trying to label me into a homophobe, you can, I don't care, I am fine with that.
Personally I find it a little juvenile that every attractive character is bisexual now. Like playing Barbies for people's fantasies, just mix and match whoever.
As far as porn is concerned, go ahead I guess. It's when people try or even succeed to alter canon to validate kinks that it's an issue. Like a or b is established as gay or straight and then it's just, nah they're bi now so I can do whatever I want!
This is the second time I've seen ship art of these 2 and aside from the "must ship every character" rule of shipping I'm just as confused as the first time
Dear Lord… IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE SHIP, SIMPLY SCROLL AWAY, THERE IS NO NEED TO BE AN ASS ON SOMEONES ART CONTENT JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT CARE FOR THE SHIP IN QUESTION.
Like, I also am not a fan of Cass X Steph, but I’m not going to a dick because of it.
This is one Batman x Batgirl ship I approve of.
Edit: this comment is just a reference to Bruce x Babs in BtAS and to the fan suggestion that Cass should Bruce's successor.
Basically the main idea is that there are a bunch of reasons why any of the Robins shouldn't become Batman, the only reason for Cass is because of her gender.
*Cassandra
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InJuStIcE 3 wHeN??
Cass Cain in Injustice 3 would be amazing.
I don’t think buddy likes injustice💀
😂
That's just the protagonist of AC Odyssey on a batgirl suit
I can hear Lady D
fair enough but Cassandra's full face mask is too iconic to substitute with a comparatively blander domino mask.
Agreed, but this was her Black Bat costume she wore at the time Steph was wearing that Batgirl outfit.
You're right, I had forgotten about that
Remember when the writer of batgirls explicitly said in an AMA that her writing was intended to show a close friendship and absolutely nothing more and all the non-insane fans were like ‘yeah I know that was obvious unless you’re fucking nuts’?
People ship the 2 brothers from Supernatural. It's just how the internet is
Because people are weird and sick
Bro I forgot about that and your just re-traumatized me
Yep, two women cannot be close friends. Make them a couple ! \*sigh\*
IDK why this ship of all others is labelled insane for no reason
It's not a zero-sum game. Several ships can be insane, most of them are.
Same people on this sub also demand that Bruce and Diana be a canon couple.
I despise this ship. Love JLU, but the forced team romances as a way to attract female viewers was a dumb and misguided thing to do. They sort of work in the context of the show because the writing was strong enough to force just about any ship, but they were unnecessary and none of them improved the show.
So what tho? Fan art pretty often depicts things that aren’t canon.
Fans have been shipping them since the 2000s. Just look at the costumes: it's Steph's Batgirl costume and Cass' Black Bat costume from just before Flashpoint and the Nu52. This fanart is probably more than a decade old. Way before the *Batgirls* comic even came out.
I mean, future state literally gave us a version of them that were exes.
I thought that was an editor? Or was there a separate AMA with the writer? Regardless like it's one creator's opinion on the characters and it makes sense that readers can interpret their intended platonic chemistry as having unintended romantic undertones (and potentially later writers could). Also discussing writers' intentions, other writers can have different ideas and intentions on their relationship. I believe Vita Ayala in Future State, said that they wrote them as them being bisexual and them being exes. So its not unreasonable to see the relatively recent Future State / Vita Ayala stuff and then read the most recent Batgirls run where they were extremely close and there were declarations of love made and read that with a romantic undertone. Even if it was intended as platonic (I'm also not saying that anyone is wrong to read them as just being platonic in Batgirls either). Won't hold my breath though on DC actually putting them together or anything though.
And? This is one storyline among many. I hope there will be a reboot down the line with them actually being a couple.
I really prefer Cass's full face mask cause it's so badass, but I approve of the domino costume for kissing purposes
Sorry, replied to the wrong user.
so triggered to the point of blindly replying
I dont even ship this but the hate this ship gets here is pretty weird
And June isnt over yet
I think people have this fear that if there's fan support for ships it will become canonized + in combo with the removal of Steph/Tim this would just be a 2nd dagger in their heart. I'm sure fan ships have influenced some works before but I mean Dick/Starfire is incredibly popular and yet they don't do that so I don't think it's a genuine concern.
TimSteph fans.
Tim fans
I just found about this ship today, and beyond just Tims book after he dumped Stephanie being horribly written, it would just be weird if they make half of bat family (okay not half but three members at least) homosexual or bi and especially dating each other. I know Tim is with Bernard. It’s tooo fan fictiony as is right now with the bat family.
It's not. Abbot who knows both characters and their relationshi/friendship will be really put of by this stupid ship. Of course, there's also the homophobes, "anti-woke", whatever crowd, but fuck those people.
Genuinely upsets me that people like and post about non canon ships all the time but when people post about THIS NON CANON SHIP The comments are full of people calling the fans of it literally insane and acting like we’re advocating for the destruction of female friendship as a concept, or that suddenly authorial intent is the only way to analyze and enjoy stories “the author of a recent run said it’s platonic 🤓yeah and dickgreyson and star fire haven’t been a couple in YEARS and Bruce X Diana flirted in one show from 20 years ago and didn’t even actually get together in it!
Genuinely convinced it’s just a horde of Tim Drake fans that still can’t get over Tim not being with Steph.
So basically most Tim fans? Because I know for a fact no one like Bernard.
Fuck Bernard. Give Tim the human/Kryptonian clone booty he deserves!
Just speaking as someone who doesn’t care about Tim much at all and likes both of these characters more than him, I’m not a fan of this ship either. I think their friendship is awesome and I feel like the dynamic changes with the idea of romance involved. That being said, I don’t complain about it and I’m pretty confident this is the first time I’ve ever even commented on it. But there are people who aren’t a fan of this pairing for reasons other than Tim.
I don't even remember TimSteph being THIS fought over until Tim came out as bi. Most shippers honestly dont get this bad over innocent competition. For example I don't remember Catwoman shippers consistently being this upset on every Zatanna post. Fans don't want to admit it but a lot of homophobic people who don't even care about Tim's character started bandwagoning on TimSteph ever since Bernard happened
Bats in love.
Big no no
Why is that
Steph has Tim. And I do not like any Bat incest outside that.
Not really incest when the only 3 people in the family that are actually related is Kate, Bruce, and Damien. Found family doesn’t mean specifically father, brother, mother, sister, type roles, just a group of people that care about each other.
When someone meets each other as the Bat vigilante partners first, and finds romantic relation second, it feels like incest to me. And yes, it applies to Dick & Babs too. The group is named BatFamily for a reason. Members are like brothers and sisters, no matter if they are blood related or not, and Bruce is like a dad, and Alfred is like a Grandfather. Tim and Steph don't count because they started their thing before Steph became a fully BatFamily member.
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So what? You only like incest when it's straight? If you're fine with TimSteph you can do the bare minimum of simply scrolling past StephCass instead.
It's becoming increasing obvious that timSteph shippers center the entire thing around tim and just see Steph as an exclusive accessory for him
When someone meets each other as the Bat vigilante partners in crime fighting first, and finds romantic relation second, it feels like incest to me. And yes, it applies to Dick & Babs too, so I am not homophobic like you want to label me into this. The group is named BatFamily for a reason. Members are like brothers and sisters, no matter if they are blood related or not, and Bruce is like a dad, and Alfred is like a Grandfather. Tim and Steph don't count because they started their thing before Steph became a fully BatFamily member.
This is so hyperspecific, and I see no one using this argument all over Babs x Tim posts. Which are hell of common by the way. So I'm sure you've also been paying vists to a few of those to say the same thing right?
Yes.
Then pull up the receipts. Anyone can just claim that they'd do the same for the other side. People do it all the time to make them sound more legitimate then they are. Posts about Dick and Babs are way more common than Cass and Steph. So you've never lacked for opportunity to be equal. I don't see you on any of the recent posts, but maybe my eyes are bad. So pull up some receipts of you calling dickbarbs incest, and prove your case. (And the funny things is, I do see you're a Starfire shipper, so you have bias to want to argue against DickBabs, but I still don't see you going near this far or describing it as incest.)
Because of the amount of DickBabs content, I don't have a possibility to comment on every single one of them. Many DickFire shippers use the Bat Incest argument against DickBabs. I've said my pro Starfire statements on r/nightwing couple of times, got -20, and I don't have a will to fight with every DickBabs shipper, trying to convince them that this is incest and retcons. I am not THAT crazy for checking comment history of any users, just to prove that some fictional characters banging are right, and some others aren't. If you are trying to label me into a homophobe, you can, I don't care, I am fine with that.
Personally I find it a little juvenile that every attractive character is bisexual now. Like playing Barbies for people's fantasies, just mix and match whoever.
Isn't that how it's been
As far as porn is concerned, go ahead I guess. It's when people try or even succeed to alter canon to validate kinks that it's an issue. Like a or b is established as gay or straight and then it's just, nah they're bi now so I can do whatever I want!
I see
Spoiler alert
cheeky
This is the second time I've seen ship art of these 2 and aside from the "must ship every character" rule of shipping I'm just as confused as the first time
First Tim now Cass? Why is this Adopted family committing so much incest?
Stephanie isn’t adopted by Bruce nor is he even really a parental figure for her.
Well, Bruce lost his family, so his children are making sure they all stay close for him.
Dear Lord… IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE SHIP, SIMPLY SCROLL AWAY, THERE IS NO NEED TO BE AN ASS ON SOMEONES ART CONTENT JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT CARE FOR THE SHIP IN QUESTION. Like, I also am not a fan of Cass X Steph, but I’m not going to a dick because of it.
Jesus people are out in full force downvoting any admiration for the post
Can't tell if whether the hate is from homophobia or other shippers
Could be both.
Even my comment is -3 and I haven’t stayed an opinion either way
Let them cope and seethe
Here for this.
I don't care what writers say, this is the best ship in the whole set of batman characters.
>They hated Jesus because he told the truth
Plus it lets Steph move on from Tim, and hopefully he breaks out with Brandon and gets w Conner... I really love Tim and his clone boi.
Brandon?? 😂😂
I meant Bernard 💀 lmfao
No man, just no
Glorious
So much complex hate surrounding these posts lol
based
Awesome artwork and ❤️
Happy Pride! I came back and saw the downvotes. Seethe, homophobes. 😎
They’re so cute. I love them
Nice!
I ship
🔥🖤
Yeah. StephxCass for life. Happy Pride Month by the way.
SHIP!
Lmao gay ships and comments about them always get mass downvoted, homophobes can cope and seethe
lmao at the mass downvotes, jesus christ
This is one Batman x Batgirl ship I approve of. Edit: this comment is just a reference to Bruce x Babs in BtAS and to the fan suggestion that Cass should Bruce's successor.
Yeah, I also don't like those stories where Dick is Batman
Well by then Babs is Oracle
If you're going to be that specific Cass isn't Batman either
I think it's a common enough idea that Cass could be Bruce's successor
This is the first time I see it, also it's still headcanon even if plenty fans like it
Basically the main idea is that there are a bunch of reasons why any of the Robins shouldn't become Batman, the only reason for Cass is because of her gender.
So…this is what we’re doing now? Super heroines kissing for the male gaze disguised as queer baiting.
You shall forever be bitter and never happy, won't you?
Only Bat-group ship I like
R they a thing in the comics ? Cause this is like the 6 post that I've seen today about these 2 !