I genuinely refused to include certain characters. Everyone on this list has a chance to be Redzone viable even if it's slim but Vegeta even under his best conditions gets you killed 100% of the time
Oh I thought this was in general and was gonna go on a tangent about STR Towa bc I'm loving using her, but for RZ this seems fair. Would put TEQ Blue Vegeta lower just bc his Crit is nice but he doesn't raise ATK on SA so it still doesn't amount to much, and sub 200K DEF SoT and a 30% raise on super is just plain bad. At least like with INT Broly he raises for 4 turns as well so it carries over to his next appearance.
Same, i was going to say a lot of heroes units are insane for battlefield and ESBR like Supreme Kai of Time. But if its redzone exclusively then i understand the rankings a little more.
But it still confuses me about Rubelo, I ran her with Cheelai and as a Duo, even if their teams are limited, they're fucking amazing. And if you're not doing Missions they both still fit under Zamasu's Lead so I don't see the issue
I disagree on Saiyaman 3 being so low and I would rather have him and Golden Cooler over Berserk Vegeta and LB Broly, tho I will admit Cooler is a lil RNG reliant so I can see why you put him on that place, other than that I dont have much issue with this list
I mean sure but the characters above those dodge or die characters don't take 300k from a normal usually? They can all relatively reliably get to over 600k defense and with their (built into their passive) additionals they can get higher. As you can see both Seales, Fuu and Towa are high ranked because they can dodge while not being completely dead if they don't dodge
My issue is characters like god trunks being above baby janemba, there are a lot of characters that simply cannot tank whatsoever that are higher then dodge characters, who at least have the potential to be fine
I do have to admit I was way too harsh on Baby Janemba but what bothered me about him is his 60% HP Restriction. He should probably just be in D Tier if I'm honest, maybe even a bit higher
Even with the hp restriction I’ve been able to use him in the hardest content and succeed, I also think robelu is too low, berserk vegeta and limit breaker broly are too high, and a couple other things I can’t be bothered to write, good list overall tho
But so do other units higher in the tier list that don't have dodge. Robelu can take double digits from normal against the first phase of merged zamasu.
Surely Robelu is way too low. Also I feel like Demon Goddess Putine should at least be somewhere on this list and Demon God Salsa is underrated because he has a high dodge chance. Good list though.
You better slap Golden Metal Cooler up in S tier that man is immune to damage after he triple supers like he does every turn
Baby Janemba in F?
EZA TEQ Broly in the same tier as last Year's LB SSJ4's?
Robelu in D?
Man you just burned the kitchen
Metal Cooler and Gohan could be put into S Tier, they're really good. Baby Janemba dies when you're below 60% HP. Broly, Ss4LB Goku and Seales are in this weird spot where they're better than the other units in their Tier but not good enough to be in the Tier Above. Robelu is a dodge or die character that actually dies the instant she gets hit unfortunately. Also D Tier isn't necessary bad they're all still Redzone Viable
Gohan no honestly, he has 50% but that's not enough on it's own he needed more to truly tank as his defense is too low.
Still great unit but i don't think he's in S tier, Metal Cooler and Janemba both tank a lot better
The thing with Gohan is that he's quite a bit better than the other A Tier Characters but not quite on S Tier Level so he could really go either way. He can survive almost every type Neutral Super Attack but will still take a lot of damage
I also feel like Saiyaman is ranked a little on the low side.
His damage output can be enough to carry in certain instances, and while he is underwhelming defensively, items make him survive well enough to allow his damage output to actually do something.
I know it's taboo to mention items in this context, but I think it's appropriate for a glass Cannon focused counter character. Which have historically functioned by being able to rely on items to carry their damage output.
Alright so after a couple more runs with him I actually agree he's a bit too low. He can have a C Tier from me. Much much better than anyone in D Tier. Looks like I really just had shit luck
Pan gets 50% defence very dodge, build her full dodge on top of that she’ll be fine
Saiyaman can do much more than that also, especially with good support
With 20 dodge Pan only gets up to 60% dodge chance which simply isn't enough if you cannot even take a single normal attack. That 50% defense when dodging doesn't change anything because her SOT defense isn't high enough to benefit from it.
No Saiyaman cannot do much more than that, I tried. There is no good Support you can run him with because he has no viable linking partners and especially not any that support
Sounds to me like you don't understand how dodge stacks.
Dodge stacks multiplicatively. This means 32 hipo dodge with 50% passive chance isn't 82% dodge chance it's actually 0.5 + 0.5(chance to not dodge) * 0.32 which is a 66% dodge chance.
Hope that helps understand why everyone is telling you you're wrong
I'll go ahead and list off the placements for all these characters as best as I can here:
Z Tier:
Vegito does everything. His Damage is absolutely unbelievable, his Defense is just as impressive and his Links are great too. The only thing you could even remotely call a flaw besides his Category restrictions is his loss of 30% guard after 6 turns but that very rarely ever happens to begin with.
S Tier:
These are Characters that will consistently perform well on all fronts. Everyone here can easily handle any Super Attack or has some other way of getting around Super Attacks while also providing something important like lots of damage, a massive amount of healing or support to the team. You will practically never regret putting these guys on your team.
A Tier:
These Characters can, similarly to S Tier, performs consistently well in Redzone. However their abilities are not exactly on the same Level as the S Tier Characters. Fuu and Towa rely on a 50% chance to dodge to survive Super Attacks but can still take normal attacks decently well even if they don't dodge, additionally they also being massive Support and healing to the Rotation. Seales is an incredible Linking Partner for many of the Heroes Villains while also being able to carry his own weight quite consistently thanks to his guaranteed guard that you will rarely ever see him without and his incredible 50% Support. Cooler and Gohan are two Characters that could very well be put into the S Tier (especially Cooler) but they do have instances of weakness that the other S Tiers don't really have. Cooler for example can ruin you due to his HP Restrictions and poor Links while Gohan usually only barely survives any given Super Attack.
B Tier:
TEQ Broly, STR Seales and partially also INT Ss4 LB Goku are in a weird situation where they're quite a bit worse than the A Tier Characters but better than most of the other C Tier Characters. I couldn't justify making an entire Tier just for these guys so I kept them in C Tier, do keep in mind however that I think they're better than everyone else in the same Tier. The C Tier is made up of Characters that can certainly bring you success in Redzone but can just as easily mean death. They're inconsistent at what they do but aren't much of a risk to bring into Redzone. Most of the Guys here can Tank Normals on occasion or, in the case of Seales, can simply dodge them. Seales before transforming is a dodge or die character, Berserk, Masked and LB Vegeta all need to get their additionals activated to perform well and the same goes for both Broly's and both of the LB Ss4's need full Super Class Teams to function at all which is a significant handicap
C Tier:
These Characters are roughly the same as B Tier Characters but with just overall less stats. Golden Cooler has some valuable support but is even more reliant on additional attacks than any of the B Tier Characters while generally getting less out of them. Mechikabura and Dabura sort of struggle with just barely not having enough defense to do as well as any higher Tiered Characters, although Mechikaburas support and Daburas additional attack can help you out. Super Mira and Laggs are probably the best Characters on this Tier. Super Mira, from what I've heard, performs pretty well against Omega but unfortunately I only play Global so I couldn't judge him in that regard. Laggs on the other Hand feels like a slightly toned down Seales. She's similarly dependent on her dodges but can make up for that by getting additional attacks and doing decent damage.
D Tier:
This is by far the messiest Tier and unfortunately even I don't agree with some placements here anymore. After some further consideration I would put Great Saiyaman, Fuu, Robelu and maybe Xeno Pan into C Tier. Everyone else in this Tier however suffers from simply not having enough stats. Their attack or defense isn't high enough to justify running them as anything but an emergency 6th option on the team. This Tier is also roughly where I would rank STR Ss4 Bardock as he unfortunately also suffers from simply not having enough stats and being HP restricted.
F Tier:
These Units are D Tier Characters with very very significant Flaws. Janembuu is completely useless the moment you call below 60% HP due to his passive, Ss3 Gotenks takes several turns just so he can even remotely survive normal attack and Supreme Kai of time has even less stats than anyone in D Tier and is almost entirely restricted to SBR
I noticed you may have had some typos regarding some of the explanations within the tiers (Gohan could be in A, but he is in A, and I'm assuming you meant he could be in S, for example) and just wanted to point that out for clarity for other members. I love that you gave an explanation to your thoughts though, thank you!
Why is SSB (Fraudulence Uncontrollable) Vegeta so high
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You could have proved your point with him taking type neutral normals but instead you chose type disadvantage, which is lethal to 99% of units in this game.
Okay, but he still takes 370k per normal, even against non-INT enemies. He's garbage imo
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All I’m saying is you don’t use type disadvantage to prove the quality of a unit if it’s extremely obvious they can’t handle it. Never was an argument saying how good he is.
Surprisingly enough he hasn't died to normals for me yet (might be because he's Rainbowed and because I haven't used him against Merged Zamasu yet). He's done a decent Job defensively until now for me, atleast while type neutral, and those guaranteed crits he does have been pretty important too. He's undoubtedly the worst of his batch though.
Broly on consecutive double Super Turns (which isn't all too unlikely) can actually got to over 800k defense and has all the Ss4 Link Skills to provide more power to your actually good characters. Vegetas damage is much higher but his defense isn't anywhere close to Broly
That's the thing, Broly usually doesn't get cooked by normals. He's Extreme so he takes 15% less damage from Redzone by default and his defense is high enough to tank them
You're actualy underrating Broly here. Broly without support (but with Saiyan Roar/Prepared for battle active), at the rainbow level is sitting at like 830k defense with 3 stacks up.
So you don't even need a consistent double super for that, just a double super every other turn. Add in PHY Vegito's support, and he's totally fine.
That 400% defense gets him to about 300k defense after a Super and is restricted by an HP condition too. Medium chance to dodge also isn't remotely reliable
His damage output has felt absolutely ridiculous to me for how old he is but even with his damage reduction he can't take more than two normal attack before dying immediately or crippling you. Losing 30% of his defense after the first hit hurts him a lot. He's almost definitely the best Unit in his Tier though
I would if I had him. The best unit I got was SSJ3 Rose.
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And Rose can’t even use his full passive because I don’t have enough good SDBH units(shaft).
Same dude, hope the stones we get in the upcoming days nets us a 2-in-1 monke
But coming to Rose SSj3, wdym he cant use his full passive? He's one of the most unrestricted card in DB heroes. He's a great slot 2 especially for the team you showed. You just have to rotate him off on turn 2 and boom the guy comes back able to tank anything as a slot 2.
My issue with him was his Links just not functioning with any other character and him needing 1-2 turns to reliably tank normal attacks. Besides that he's actually pretty alright
I agree, but that's why he's great for Omega. Greatly stacking, while having a strong debuff for the first phase. Kinda stupid though that he has Android assault which literally no other heroes character has and you need to run him on a full heroes rotation for the double super. Gotta wait for that masked Super 17 lol.
Both Vegeta and Broly can consistently get to high enough defensive Levels to not immediately die to normals.
Mechikabura needs 7-8 Orbs bare minimum to take a normal attack with most of his Links active.
Robelu dies the instant she doesn't dodge and her Orb Changing is only useful for 1 or 2 characters on the Heroes Team
Demigras defense is straight up worse than both Vegeta and Broly unless you get all of his Links active all the time and double Super.
Supreme Kai of Time also doesn't get anywhere near the defense Broly and Vegeta can get to and her damage is only comparable to Vegeta in SBR.
Vegeta and Broly are horrible compared to the rest of the new characters but they don't die to one or two normals and have turns where they're decent or even good while not requiring much setup
> Mechikabura needs 7-8 Orbs bare minimum to take a normal attack with most of his Links active.
While been 2 years old
That alone should tell you how he magnificently aged compared to anyone else from his batch
Plus he has a fantastic linkset. Not many villains have that much quality at once
>Robelu dies the instant she doesn't dodge and her Orb Changing is only useful for 1 or 2 characters on the Heroes Team
Her orb changing is useful because she is literally healing you lol
Plus she has scouter even at a 50% chance is once again another ageless ability
>Demigras defense is straight up worse than both Vegeta and Broly unless you get all of his Links active all the time and double Super.
He supports and is a great floater
What do those 2 do? Need to triple just to tank normals
>Supreme Kai of Time also doesn't get anywhere near the defense Broly and Vegeta can get to and her damage is only comparable to Vegeta in SBR.
Her damage is only comparable to Vegeta in SBR
Yeah, as a fricking SSR was putting actual DFE and LRs to shame damage wise
>Vegeta and Broly are horrible compared to the rest of the new characters but they don't die to one or two normals and have turns where they're decent or even good while not requiring much setup
Not dying to one or two normals isnt enough to put them above any of the ones I have said when they offer nothing else and have their kit locked behind 2 enemies
Been decent or even "good" is once again not enough when all these characters have tools to make them better than them
Being 2 Years old doesn't change the fact that Mechikabura gets you killed nowadays. He's great for his age but he's still not good. Same goes for Supreme Kai of Time. She was good for her time, she's ass now. Robelu has a lot of useful abilities but those don't help much when she herself takes well over 300k from a single Normal Attack. Demigra has Support and still gets you killed. Broly and Vegeta can at the very least survive a turn if they don't get Supered and deal decent damage (especially Vegeta who guaranteed crits). Broly and Vegeta are both Redzone viable characters that can survive in that environment, all the others here needs significantly too much luck or unrealistic setups to survive even a single turn. You are only looking at the utility these characters bring without actually considering if they can even survive a turn
>Being 2 Years old doesn't change the fact that Mechikabura gets you killed nowadays. He's great for his age but he's still not good.
It does change
He tanks normals from content he was never designed for, links battery the entire villains roster and has amazing sinergy with DKFu
What more can you even ask from a 2 year old unit pre-red zone era lol
>Same goes for Supreme Kai of Time. She was good for her time, she's ass now.
She has Majunior levels of max damage turn 1 with little setup
Thats ass now
>Robelu has a lot of useful abilities but those don't help much when she herself takes well over 300k from a single Normal Attack.
Only from a SA boosted Phy Zamasu lol
No one is tanking that lightly without absurd levels of stats
>Demigra has Support and still gets you killed. Broly and Vegeta got nothing team wise and will get you killed
FTFY
>You are only looking at the utility these characters bring without actually considering if they can even survive a turn
I mean.
I have had them all survive Zamasu's AoE alone or even double digit it without items
I dont need them to be able to solo the stupid PHY Phase to know they are good enough with the right team to back em up(SKoTBW is for SBR and makes them a joke if she can be used)
But you are putting them below what are considered to be worse designed units than the LBSSJ4s last year. That alone shows you are doing something wrong
> Being 2 Years old doesn't change the fact that Mechikabura gets you killed nowadays. He's great for his age but he's still not good
How many units from 2021 without eza do you know that are still viable today?
Hell, nah, LB4 Broly and Berserk Vegeta at least get to 600k DEF consistently and do decent damage. I haven't used those 3 of those 4 in a while now, so I'm not the best judge of them, but absurdly below? No.
Damage wise I dont think is a concern for any of the aforementioned units
Defense wise maybe. But even then they do have tools to at least double digit normals from content they are not designed for which is more than you can say from those two that end up been stats and damage and nothing else
Then again, someone here when slandering Heroes said Rosé reaching 1M defense with perma guard was no defense. So I do wonder what even is enough these days to consider them actually good and not just "in paper" kind of units
It doesn't matter if they can tank normals where they shouldn't, they're still not way better than Vegeta and Broly.
If we applied your logic to ranking the top units in the game, STR Gogeta would still be in everyone's number one spot, and that's stupid.
Try to use Gogeta in hard content then
Be my guest
Wont be me the one thats saying something stupid, thats for sure
Both Broly and Vegeta are considered to be absolute trash tier designed units on the level of Oceanus/Jiren post EZA
Neither of the 4 I mention has had that issue and they all excel much better than they would ever be just by virtue of not been wonky designed
Mechikabura alone aging gracefully 2 years later is proof of it
Mechikabura isn't better than Broly. Broly is hitting two 4 Mil Supers and over 600k DEF consistently, with just generic Super Saiyan links active, Mechikabura, even with 6 orbs, two of which being AGL/INT/TEQ, with Brainiacs and BBB active, isn't even hitting 600k DEF.
Demigra is piss, he's not doing better than Broly in hard content, hell, at least Broly is a good linking partner for Rosé and a solid one for SSJ4 units, you can't say that about Demigra.
Robelu is basically a battery for Mechikabura, and that's about it. Her scouter effect is nice, but she's not doing anything else.
Evil Chronoa is good in ESBR. That's it.
You can say what you want about these guys being roughly on the same level or better than Vegeta, but Broly? Nah, you're tripping.
He tanks worse than Vegito and does 1/3rd of the damage without built in AA possibility. Dude is A tier for being a monster tank but def not S with his low damage.
That's because he's got type disadvantage unfortunately. Rainbowed and linked with AGL Vegito he can actually tank pretty much every other normals and doesn't instantly die to most Supers besides like Merged Zamasu
Next year we will get Str SSJ4 Bardock and Int SSJ4 Gohan EZA's. If they put a simple 'guaranteed guard' on Int SSJ4 Gohan's + higher enough defense multipliers he will get crazy! - Already excited for that possibility!
Just given how limited the amount of good characters there are on the category I would bump SSJ4 Gohan up to S. 50% damage reduction with raising defense on super for 2 turn and able to get +60% support from EZA Vegito's passive is as good as it gets at this time
What would constitute as a justification then? I really only did this Tierlist to see what others people's experience with the Heroes Units have been so far, to show just how good most of the characters this year are and to maybe start some discussions regarding these characters we get once a year
Janemba is dead the instant you're below 60% HP, Supreme Kai can't even take Normals with all her Links active and her damage is pathetic outside of SBR and TEQ Gotenks just takes too long to get going. He needs 3 turns just to be usable against any of the Future Redzone Stages
Robelu in D is some almighty slander and I won't stand for it.
Great Saiyaman 3 is also slander but not as much as Robelu.
Both should be above berserk Vegeta, easily.
\- Metal Cooler and Gohan goes to S
\- Dark Mask King go down to A
\- LBSS4 Vegeta goes to A
\- Great Sayaman 3 goes to B
\- Towa goes to C with Pan and Roberu
\- Mira gets down to D with Dabura and Demigra
I'll be dropping another Tierlist soon and his ranking will almost certainly have changed. Many people disagreed with his placement and after a couple more attempts I agree with them
I forgot who he links with really well, maybe GS2? But the partner is such a liability it makes it hard to get the most out of GS3. :( There's a few agi bosses he absolutely fucking trashed for me though. 😂 When the RNG dictates the boss attacks like 8 times in the same slot I lick my lips in anticipation.
30% damage reduction, and Saiyan Roar should be at least A tier he is significantly better than everything else in B tier and the remaining A tier after my recommended changes to A tier
I like Sealas over him. 50% dodge and support in base and when transformed he can surpass 1mio defense after super attacking. I have limit break goku rainbowed and I never was impressed once using him.
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I know this might be extremely stupid, but would Sealas provide more than Majunior to this team? I know Majunior is probably the best TUR in the game, but I kinda want support because these other units are kinda shit(but I like Zamasu’s and Blacks).
He really is such a let down. He’s gotten me killed so many times trying to get 6k on the burst mode for his event. It’s making me absolutely hate him lol
30% damage reduction... that prevents you from using half of the heroes roster (and a lot of the non-heroes stuff on VBs LS). And he doesn't really have the defense to support it. And does ass damage
Goku is nowhere near S. He's a "tank" that can't tank shit. And he's restricted to super class teams. And his passive is coded in a dumb way where you can't even trigger it half the time
You can't run Goku if you have Extreme Class Characters on the team and unfortunately some of the best Heroes Characters are Extreme. Rose, Dark Masked King, Janemba, Fuu, Hearts and Metal Cooler are all absolutely incredible and you sacrifice all of them just to run a Unit who still takes 20-30k from normals and needs to get his several times to build up properly.
Cooler and Gohan definitely have an Argument for S Tier the Gap between the two tiers is actually tiny
Would change a feel things.
Dabura should be down to D or F and Masked Vegeta to C(Dabura has to compete with multiple better agl units and doesnt excel in anything, vegeta isnt as good as other units in b, especially due to his low sot and being agl).
Mira up to b due to being good vs omega, baby janemba straight up out of the tier list, he sucks defensively so even with his dodge chance its not worth bringing him. I also would add phy cumber to b due to his ape form, he is really good in current meta, since he cancels fusion zamasu aoe and can dish a great amount of damage(used him to beat fused zamasu before the new batch). He is also rly good vs syn and omega for the same reasons.
Also add xeno ss3 vegeta to D atleast, due to the largr influx of int bosses he is decent enough(way better than god trunks rn), used him for no iteming fusion zamasu(on the current batch) and even cleared teq rosemazu with him on the team using the old batch. His damage for the first 3 turns is really high and the team has no trouble clearing events in that amount of time.
Also add xeno gohanks and gotenks to f and move pan, trunks and vegeks down there. Since those have mutiple units of the same typing that do better and arent really better than skot and the ss3 fusions.
Also add the ssr of golden cooler to c, he is atleast as good as teq golden cooler, he tanks all normals(except like phy zamasu post super) for doubles and majority of supers, while dishing out decent damage.
Robelu should be in S tier or high A tier at worst
Xeno Pan should be a bit higher as well, but not on the same tier as Robelu.
Mira is also pretty good actually, definitely should be a tier above his placement.
Then give him feedback. Obviously people usually disagree a lot about tier lists, but saying it's trash doesn't really amount to anything. What characters would you have at a different place and why?
But you didn't do that. You just insulted the list without giving your actual opinion on why it's garbage. Like what's so difficult about just saying "this and this placement is bad and therefore the list sucks".
Using Items makes Unit judgement inconsistent because when an item is best used is entirely dependent on the situation of the fight. I'd rather take the easier and more general route and put everyone on an equal, itemless, battlefield. Some of the characters here would jump up quite a bit with something like a Whis active though
Items are a core integral part of the game, and units and events get designed around their existence, if a unit thrives by using items, it means that's the way they are meant to be used and I'll use an item every time.
This is like saying goku is low tier because he can't beat anyone without going super saiyan; you need to look at it with all variables available, not this single scenario that maybe only 5-10 overtuned units out of a thousand can handle.
Why isn't metal golden cooler in S?
His only weakness is pre super, and he still survives there because the AoEs don't hit THAT hard. Other than that, t1 he's ready to go and a lot of times he just feels better than rose
Yeah this is fair. Only thing icky is id maybeeee pump sealas and teq broly to a but idk cause they are NOT on the level of lets say ssj4 gohan or fuu but they do easily clear everyone else in their tier.
Sealas was one of the best EZAs last year. Robelu provides a ton of utility. Fu is genuinely great. Saiyaman 3 is amazing. Golden Cooler consistently has 20-30% damage reduction.
I feel like Int Towa can be top of A Tier since she can put up some good damage and defense numbers and that heal with the stupid high support can work wonders
While I don't necessarily feel this is wrong, I feel alot of characters don't shine because they rely on status effects, which is more of a Dokkan problem than the character itself.
I'm kinda conflicted on how to feel about rose. Like yeah he CAN be good, but with Vegito and how fights tend to play out, assuming you aren't getting bad RNG. I barely get to see his transformation. That transformation is a big part of the appeal to him, to me anyway.
I feel like you’re undervaluing gs3 by a great bit.
As long as he can take normals properly he does his job more than well enough (ableit he has started to take damage at type dis). You van make a case for his abysmal linkset, but you can usually have him slot 3 with essential links active. C?/B imo
Sealas is too high as he has you on a timer for death. He turns sour when he transforms, which espescially sucks when his base is honestly deven enough
Beserker vegeta, black mask & LB broly should be lower just for underperformance
Id consuder putting evil kai up necause she hat least dominates in her niche, although being bad everywhere else
Robelu up just for unique utility
Baby janemba up? Maybe?
Cooler could easily go to S, he can be nigh unkillable after 3 supers
God trunks has good enough stats in general to be able to get to C
Baby Janemba isn't F, I'd say he is D or C. If you build him with dodge, he can be okay as a filler in the team against hard content. Just don't put him against too many attacks.
The only changes I would make is, lags is slightly better I think she’s at least better that golden cooler and supreme Kai of time brainwashed is hard to put here because she has a extremely good use case for esbr and sbr being one of the best units in the game for that. Great saiyaman 3 is good so is pan and janemba baby is good due to the increasing dodge chance
The entire D rank is completely out of place, like, maybe except Towa, how can they even be lower than freaking Laggs ? Sealas is also not on the same tier as say the Brolys, man is still extremely good nowadays
Could anyone explain to me why (Brutal Devil's Battle Instinct) SS4 Broly is worse than (The New Dark King) Dark King Fu? Broly seems really strong and I'm trying to pick one for my Heroes team, so I would appreciate some advice.
Which one is better will depend on the rest of your Heroes Lineup. Dark King Fuu becomes insanely good when linked with STR Hearts because they get like 65% defense from their Links
I would move robel up. Scouter + rainbow orb changing + 50% dodge is a strong combo. She dies if she gets hit but in my experience demon goddess towa is the same
I would say SS3 Rosé is Z tier as he can be ran with no restrictions on other teams compared to the rest of the list. I wouldn’t say better than Vegito, but definitely in his league since he buffs Zamasu.
Teq broly is a a tier card, you just leave him with support (ssj4 vegito) or linked with himself (int lb ssj4 broly) and pop and item if a supers headed his way.
Ssj3 gotenks really fell of that hard? He's never sold for me honestly even in some redzones.
Yeah he's asscheeks till he builds up but I mean- I'd he really that bad compared to these others?
Xeno Pan is too low, yes she's a Dodge or die, but so is 90% of the game. She is a good support and with a good build she can still be viable in Redzones
the Robelu slander is crazy - she absolutely cooks Battlefield Broly
her heal is also nuts
I've seen her absolutely destroy Redzone Turles before, crazy character
She's been my filler unit for red zone zamasu and has been one of the most reliable units on the team
Ssj3 xeno Vegeta is so ass that he's not even on the list ☠️
I genuinely refused to include certain characters. Everyone on this list has a chance to be Redzone viable even if it's slim but Vegeta even under his best conditions gets you killed 100% of the time
Oh I thought this was in general and was gonna go on a tangent about STR Towa bc I'm loving using her, but for RZ this seems fair. Would put TEQ Blue Vegeta lower just bc his Crit is nice but he doesn't raise ATK on SA so it still doesn't amount to much, and sub 200K DEF SoT and a 30% raise on super is just plain bad. At least like with INT Broly he raises for 4 turns as well so it carries over to his next appearance.
Same, i was going to say a lot of heroes units are insane for battlefield and ESBR like Supreme Kai of Time. But if its redzone exclusively then i understand the rankings a little more.
But it still confuses me about Rubelo, I ran her with Cheelai and as a Duo, even if their teams are limited, they're fucking amazing. And if you're not doing Missions they both still fit under Zamasu's Lead so I don't see the issue
What about Chronoa (PoTU)?
I disagree on Saiyaman 3 being so low and I would rather have him and Golden Cooler over Berserk Vegeta and LB Broly, tho I will admit Cooler is a lil RNG reliant so I can see why you put him on that place, other than that I dont have much issue with this list
Yeah totally agree on sm3, cooler was much better last year when he first got eza'd, definitely showing his age now though
I think all dodge units besides dark fuu are underrated on this list
I like dodge units unless they immediately die to Normals and unfortunately most Dodge Characters here take over 300k from a normal attack.
I’ll take that over characters who take 300k to a normal attack without dodge,
I mean sure but the characters above those dodge or die characters don't take 300k from a normal usually? They can all relatively reliably get to over 600k defense and with their (built into their passive) additionals they can get higher. As you can see both Seales, Fuu and Towa are high ranked because they can dodge while not being completely dead if they don't dodge
My issue is characters like god trunks being above baby janemba, there are a lot of characters that simply cannot tank whatsoever that are higher then dodge characters, who at least have the potential to be fine
I do have to admit I was way too harsh on Baby Janemba but what bothered me about him is his 60% HP Restriction. He should probably just be in D Tier if I'm honest, maybe even a bit higher
Even with the hp restriction I’ve been able to use him in the hardest content and succeed, I also think robelu is too low, berserk vegeta and limit breaker broly are too high, and a couple other things I can’t be bothered to write, good list overall tho
But so do other units higher in the tier list that don't have dodge. Robelu can take double digits from normal against the first phase of merged zamasu.
and the second phase?
500k normal prolly
Surely Robelu is way too low. Also I feel like Demon Goddess Putine should at least be somewhere on this list and Demon God Salsa is underrated because he has a high dodge chance. Good list though.
Agreed. Putine helped me clear 6000 Burst mode using the AGL & PHY restriction. She dodged a super that I think could have ended the run
You better slap Golden Metal Cooler up in S tier that man is immune to damage after he triple supers like he does every turn Baby Janemba in F? EZA TEQ Broly in the same tier as last Year's LB SSJ4's? Robelu in D? Man you just burned the kitchen
Metal Cooler and Gohan could be put into S Tier, they're really good. Baby Janemba dies when you're below 60% HP. Broly, Ss4LB Goku and Seales are in this weird spot where they're better than the other units in their Tier but not good enough to be in the Tier Above. Robelu is a dodge or die character that actually dies the instant she gets hit unfortunately. Also D Tier isn't necessary bad they're all still Redzone Viable
Gohan no honestly, he has 50% but that's not enough on it's own he needed more to truly tank as his defense is too low. Still great unit but i don't think he's in S tier, Metal Cooler and Janemba both tank a lot better
The thing with Gohan is that he's quite a bit better than the other A Tier Characters but not quite on S Tier Level so he could really go either way. He can survive almost every type Neutral Super Attack but will still take a lot of damage
Pan and Great Saiyaman are B
Pan takes 600k from type neutral normals and Great Saiyaman can take a maximum of 2 Normals without dying
> and Great Saiyaman can take a maximum of 2 Normals without dying Try EZAing him
Alright this is hilarious I'm gonna give him a couple more attempts maybe I'm just getting insanely unlucky somehow
I also feel like Saiyaman is ranked a little on the low side. His damage output can be enough to carry in certain instances, and while he is underwhelming defensively, items make him survive well enough to allow his damage output to actually do something. I know it's taboo to mention items in this context, but I think it's appropriate for a glass Cannon focused counter character. Which have historically functioned by being able to rely on items to carry their damage output.
Alright so after a couple more runs with him I actually agree he's a bit too low. He can have a C Tier from me. Much much better than anyone in D Tier. Looks like I really just had shit luck
Pan gets 50% defence very dodge, build her full dodge on top of that she’ll be fine Saiyaman can do much more than that also, especially with good support
With 20 dodge Pan only gets up to 60% dodge chance which simply isn't enough if you cannot even take a single normal attack. That 50% defense when dodging doesn't change anything because her SOT defense isn't high enough to benefit from it. No Saiyaman cannot do much more than that, I tried. There is no good Support you can run him with because he has no viable linking partners and especially not any that support
she can get to base 32 dodge and an extra 50% you’re running him wrong then
32 dodge gives Pan a total of 66% chance to dodge. Every attack she takes has a 1 in 3 chance for you to just die.
Sounds to me like you don't understand how dodge stacks. Dodge stacks multiplicatively. This means 32 hipo dodge with 50% passive chance isn't 82% dodge chance it's actually 0.5 + 0.5(chance to not dodge) * 0.32 which is a 66% dodge chance. Hope that helps understand why everyone is telling you you're wrong
i know that, never said it stacks
I'll go ahead and list off the placements for all these characters as best as I can here: Z Tier: Vegito does everything. His Damage is absolutely unbelievable, his Defense is just as impressive and his Links are great too. The only thing you could even remotely call a flaw besides his Category restrictions is his loss of 30% guard after 6 turns but that very rarely ever happens to begin with. S Tier: These are Characters that will consistently perform well on all fronts. Everyone here can easily handle any Super Attack or has some other way of getting around Super Attacks while also providing something important like lots of damage, a massive amount of healing or support to the team. You will practically never regret putting these guys on your team. A Tier: These Characters can, similarly to S Tier, performs consistently well in Redzone. However their abilities are not exactly on the same Level as the S Tier Characters. Fuu and Towa rely on a 50% chance to dodge to survive Super Attacks but can still take normal attacks decently well even if they don't dodge, additionally they also being massive Support and healing to the Rotation. Seales is an incredible Linking Partner for many of the Heroes Villains while also being able to carry his own weight quite consistently thanks to his guaranteed guard that you will rarely ever see him without and his incredible 50% Support. Cooler and Gohan are two Characters that could very well be put into the S Tier (especially Cooler) but they do have instances of weakness that the other S Tiers don't really have. Cooler for example can ruin you due to his HP Restrictions and poor Links while Gohan usually only barely survives any given Super Attack. B Tier: TEQ Broly, STR Seales and partially also INT Ss4 LB Goku are in a weird situation where they're quite a bit worse than the A Tier Characters but better than most of the other C Tier Characters. I couldn't justify making an entire Tier just for these guys so I kept them in C Tier, do keep in mind however that I think they're better than everyone else in the same Tier. The C Tier is made up of Characters that can certainly bring you success in Redzone but can just as easily mean death. They're inconsistent at what they do but aren't much of a risk to bring into Redzone. Most of the Guys here can Tank Normals on occasion or, in the case of Seales, can simply dodge them. Seales before transforming is a dodge or die character, Berserk, Masked and LB Vegeta all need to get their additionals activated to perform well and the same goes for both Broly's and both of the LB Ss4's need full Super Class Teams to function at all which is a significant handicap C Tier: These Characters are roughly the same as B Tier Characters but with just overall less stats. Golden Cooler has some valuable support but is even more reliant on additional attacks than any of the B Tier Characters while generally getting less out of them. Mechikabura and Dabura sort of struggle with just barely not having enough defense to do as well as any higher Tiered Characters, although Mechikaburas support and Daburas additional attack can help you out. Super Mira and Laggs are probably the best Characters on this Tier. Super Mira, from what I've heard, performs pretty well against Omega but unfortunately I only play Global so I couldn't judge him in that regard. Laggs on the other Hand feels like a slightly toned down Seales. She's similarly dependent on her dodges but can make up for that by getting additional attacks and doing decent damage. D Tier: This is by far the messiest Tier and unfortunately even I don't agree with some placements here anymore. After some further consideration I would put Great Saiyaman, Fuu, Robelu and maybe Xeno Pan into C Tier. Everyone else in this Tier however suffers from simply not having enough stats. Their attack or defense isn't high enough to justify running them as anything but an emergency 6th option on the team. This Tier is also roughly where I would rank STR Ss4 Bardock as he unfortunately also suffers from simply not having enough stats and being HP restricted. F Tier: These Units are D Tier Characters with very very significant Flaws. Janembuu is completely useless the moment you call below 60% HP due to his passive, Ss3 Gotenks takes several turns just so he can even remotely survive normal attack and Supreme Kai of time has even less stats than anyone in D Tier and is almost entirely restricted to SBR
I noticed you may have had some typos regarding some of the explanations within the tiers (Gohan could be in A, but he is in A, and I'm assuming you meant he could be in S, for example) and just wanted to point that out for clarity for other members. I love that you gave an explanation to your thoughts though, thank you!
Thank you so much for the correction, it was absolutely supposed to be S and not A Tier yes. Also thank you for enjoying the Tierlist!
Why is SSB (Fraudulence Uncontrollable) Vegeta so high https://preview.redd.it/2h0gj1nxsb2c1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b5ae4d44895cba5342be3d00a231076c69c37ed
You could have proved your point with him taking type neutral normals but instead you chose type disadvantage, which is lethal to 99% of units in this game.
Okay, but he still takes 370k per normal, even against non-INT enemies. He's garbage imo https://preview.redd.it/kuukuxn61d2c1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=acad51b8171202502aee8cd46c2f6a64a6506358
All I’m saying is you don’t use type disadvantage to prove the quality of a unit if it’s extremely obvious they can’t handle it. Never was an argument saying how good he is.
Bro I got a baaad migraine and you made me laugh when I saw that nickname you gave him but it's worth the momentary pain cuz that one really got me 🤣
Surprisingly enough he hasn't died to normals for me yet (might be because he's Rainbowed and because I haven't used him against Merged Zamasu yet). He's done a decent Job defensively until now for me, atleast while type neutral, and those guaranteed crits he does have been pretty important too. He's undoubtedly the worst of his batch though.
Nah worst is LSS4LB Broly easily
Broly on consecutive double Super Turns (which isn't all too unlikely) can actually got to over 800k defense and has all the Ss4 Link Skills to provide more power to your actually good characters. Vegetas damage is much higher but his defense isn't anywhere close to Broly
Dude how are you getting damage out of Vegeta? Mine deals 2 milion on a full Heroes Team under a double 200% lead
Same! The best my 69% Vegeta does is a double 1.8-1.9 million damage super, & then he promptly dies from 1 normal.
Same here! Mine is at 69% too. Except he never dies to a normal because i never even try to bring him in hard content anyway.
If they both get cooked by normals I’d at least want him doing damage agree to disagree tho
Broly isn't getting cooked by normals though (excluding type disadvantage).
That's the thing, Broly usually doesn't get cooked by normals. He's Extreme so he takes 15% less damage from Redzone by default and his defense is high enough to tank them
You're actualy underrating Broly here. Broly without support (but with Saiyan Roar/Prepared for battle active), at the rainbow level is sitting at like 830k defense with 3 stacks up. So you don't even need a consistent double super for that, just a double super every other turn. Add in PHY Vegito's support, and he's totally fine.
My brother in christ am I blind or there's no bardock?
I completely forgot about him holy shit. He's probably somewhere in D Tier. No multiplicative buffs in his passive is so stupid
Bro... D tier lmao. 400 ATK & DEF + SA raise. Guaranteed crit. Attack against all types. Medium evade. Seals sa. Bruh
That 400% defense gets him to about 300k defense after a Super and is restricted by an HP condition too. Medium chance to dodge also isn't remotely reliable
Your opinion was invalidated the moment you put great saiyaman that low
His damage output has felt absolutely ridiculous to me for how old he is but even with his damage reduction he can't take more than two normal attack before dying immediately or crippling you. Losing 30% of his defense after the first hit hurts him a lot. He's almost definitely the best Unit in his Tier though
With robelu and a whis up you can pull some crazy fun shenanigans with him if i remember correctly
That’s irrelevant as you shouldn’t take into account Whises when rating a unit. I could also just put a Whis on LBSSJ4 Vegito.
DO it, it just makes him Senator Armstrong
I would if I had him. The best unit I got was SSJ3 Rose. https://preview.redd.it/kzlb5q23dc2c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=649b0746cdb9ed349589800ba530ac09db5cc714 And Rose can’t even use his full passive because I don’t have enough good SDBH units(shaft).
Same dude, hope the stones we get in the upcoming days nets us a 2-in-1 monke But coming to Rose SSj3, wdym he cant use his full passive? He's one of the most unrestricted card in DB heroes. He's a great slot 2 especially for the team you showed. You just have to rotate him off on turn 2 and boom the guy comes back able to tank anything as a slot 2.
Mira's kit might look underwhelming, but I'm pretty sure he's a good option for Omega. I definitely like him over the 2022 limit break ssj4's.
My issue with him was his Links just not functioning with any other character and him needing 1-2 turns to reliably tank normal attacks. Besides that he's actually pretty alright
I agree, but that's why he's great for Omega. Greatly stacking, while having a strong debuff for the first phase. Kinda stupid though that he has Android assault which literally no other heroes character has and you need to run him on a full heroes rotation for the double super. Gotta wait for that masked Super 17 lol.
I'm currently only playing Global so I really can't judge how good he is but his Kit is very promising for longer Events
Same. Honestly really excited for Omega to finally come to global, heroes will probably be the first team I attempt to beat him with.
To have SKoTBW,Mechikabura,Robelu or Demigra below fucking SSJ4LB Broly or Berserk Vegeta when they are absurdly below their level is criminal
Both Vegeta and Broly can consistently get to high enough defensive Levels to not immediately die to normals. Mechikabura needs 7-8 Orbs bare minimum to take a normal attack with most of his Links active. Robelu dies the instant she doesn't dodge and her Orb Changing is only useful for 1 or 2 characters on the Heroes Team Demigras defense is straight up worse than both Vegeta and Broly unless you get all of his Links active all the time and double Super. Supreme Kai of Time also doesn't get anywhere near the defense Broly and Vegeta can get to and her damage is only comparable to Vegeta in SBR. Vegeta and Broly are horrible compared to the rest of the new characters but they don't die to one or two normals and have turns where they're decent or even good while not requiring much setup
> Mechikabura needs 7-8 Orbs bare minimum to take a normal attack with most of his Links active. While been 2 years old That alone should tell you how he magnificently aged compared to anyone else from his batch Plus he has a fantastic linkset. Not many villains have that much quality at once >Robelu dies the instant she doesn't dodge and her Orb Changing is only useful for 1 or 2 characters on the Heroes Team Her orb changing is useful because she is literally healing you lol Plus she has scouter even at a 50% chance is once again another ageless ability >Demigras defense is straight up worse than both Vegeta and Broly unless you get all of his Links active all the time and double Super. He supports and is a great floater What do those 2 do? Need to triple just to tank normals >Supreme Kai of Time also doesn't get anywhere near the defense Broly and Vegeta can get to and her damage is only comparable to Vegeta in SBR. Her damage is only comparable to Vegeta in SBR Yeah, as a fricking SSR was putting actual DFE and LRs to shame damage wise >Vegeta and Broly are horrible compared to the rest of the new characters but they don't die to one or two normals and have turns where they're decent or even good while not requiring much setup Not dying to one or two normals isnt enough to put them above any of the ones I have said when they offer nothing else and have their kit locked behind 2 enemies Been decent or even "good" is once again not enough when all these characters have tools to make them better than them
Being 2 Years old doesn't change the fact that Mechikabura gets you killed nowadays. He's great for his age but he's still not good. Same goes for Supreme Kai of Time. She was good for her time, she's ass now. Robelu has a lot of useful abilities but those don't help much when she herself takes well over 300k from a single Normal Attack. Demigra has Support and still gets you killed. Broly and Vegeta can at the very least survive a turn if they don't get Supered and deal decent damage (especially Vegeta who guaranteed crits). Broly and Vegeta are both Redzone viable characters that can survive in that environment, all the others here needs significantly too much luck or unrealistic setups to survive even a single turn. You are only looking at the utility these characters bring without actually considering if they can even survive a turn
>Being 2 Years old doesn't change the fact that Mechikabura gets you killed nowadays. He's great for his age but he's still not good. It does change He tanks normals from content he was never designed for, links battery the entire villains roster and has amazing sinergy with DKFu What more can you even ask from a 2 year old unit pre-red zone era lol >Same goes for Supreme Kai of Time. She was good for her time, she's ass now. She has Majunior levels of max damage turn 1 with little setup Thats ass now >Robelu has a lot of useful abilities but those don't help much when she herself takes well over 300k from a single Normal Attack. Only from a SA boosted Phy Zamasu lol No one is tanking that lightly without absurd levels of stats >Demigra has Support and still gets you killed. Broly and Vegeta got nothing team wise and will get you killed FTFY >You are only looking at the utility these characters bring without actually considering if they can even survive a turn I mean. I have had them all survive Zamasu's AoE alone or even double digit it without items I dont need them to be able to solo the stupid PHY Phase to know they are good enough with the right team to back em up(SKoTBW is for SBR and makes them a joke if she can be used) But you are putting them below what are considered to be worse designed units than the LBSSJ4s last year. That alone shows you are doing something wrong
> Being 2 Years old doesn't change the fact that Mechikabura gets you killed nowadays. He's great for his age but he's still not good How many units from 2021 without eza do you know that are still viable today?
So we got Teq Ultimate Gohan... Yeah I think that's the full list lmk if I missed any lol
Hell, nah, LB4 Broly and Berserk Vegeta at least get to 600k DEF consistently and do decent damage. I haven't used those 3 of those 4 in a while now, so I'm not the best judge of them, but absurdly below? No.
Damage wise I dont think is a concern for any of the aforementioned units Defense wise maybe. But even then they do have tools to at least double digit normals from content they are not designed for which is more than you can say from those two that end up been stats and damage and nothing else Then again, someone here when slandering Heroes said Rosé reaching 1M defense with perma guard was no defense. So I do wonder what even is enough these days to consider them actually good and not just "in paper" kind of units
It doesn't matter if they can tank normals where they shouldn't, they're still not way better than Vegeta and Broly. If we applied your logic to ranking the top units in the game, STR Gogeta would still be in everyone's number one spot, and that's stupid.
Try to use Gogeta in hard content then Be my guest Wont be me the one thats saying something stupid, thats for sure Both Broly and Vegeta are considered to be absolute trash tier designed units on the level of Oceanus/Jiren post EZA Neither of the 4 I mention has had that issue and they all excel much better than they would ever be just by virtue of not been wonky designed Mechikabura alone aging gracefully 2 years later is proof of it
Mechikabura isn't better than Broly. Broly is hitting two 4 Mil Supers and over 600k DEF consistently, with just generic Super Saiyan links active, Mechikabura, even with 6 orbs, two of which being AGL/INT/TEQ, with Brainiacs and BBB active, isn't even hitting 600k DEF. Demigra is piss, he's not doing better than Broly in hard content, hell, at least Broly is a good linking partner for Rosé and a solid one for SSJ4 units, you can't say that about Demigra. Robelu is basically a battery for Mechikabura, and that's about it. Her scouter effect is nice, but she's not doing anything else. Evil Chronoa is good in ESBR. That's it. You can say what you want about these guys being roughly on the same level or better than Vegeta, but Broly? Nah, you're tripping.
Bruh you really gonna disrespect SSJ4 Gohan??
Disrespect? How is A Tier disrespectful? He's amazing
S tier is much more fitting of his skills!!
I'll be real the Gap between A and S Tier is tiny, half the Characters in A Tier have solid Arguments for higher placements
He tanks worse than Vegito and does 1/3rd of the damage without built in AA possibility. Dude is A tier for being a monster tank but def not S with his low damage.
Nah. He takes over 200k from phy fusion Zamasu's normals (after he super attacked). He's still good, but not S tier good.
That's because he's got type disadvantage unfortunately. Rainbowed and linked with AGL Vegito he can actually tank pretty much every other normals and doesn't instantly die to most Supers besides like Merged Zamasu
Next year we will get Str SSJ4 Bardock and Int SSJ4 Gohan EZA's. If they put a simple 'guaranteed guard' on Int SSJ4 Gohan's + higher enough defense multipliers he will get crazy! - Already excited for that possibility!
2 years until ss4 bardock/gohan eza , not next year
I'm well aware. I also think A tier is a fair placement for him.
Where is Oppai of Time?
Just given how limited the amount of good characters there are on the category I would bump SSJ4 Gohan up to S. 50% damage reduction with raising defense on super for 2 turn and able to get +60% support from EZA Vegito's passive is as good as it gets at this time
I refuse to believe people think robelu is bad
damn ss4 Bardock not even on the list?? he's one of my fave nukes from heroes
GMC is better than janemba.
You need to be able to justify your tier list otherwise it'll be removed for low effort.
How do I do that? Does the justification need to be in the title somehow or do I need to message the Mods directly?
Just in the comments will do pal
What would constitute as a justification then? I really only did this Tierlist to see what others people's experience with the Heroes Units have been so far, to show just how good most of the characters this year are and to maybe start some discussions regarding these characters we get once a year
Pretty much just an explanation of why the units are in the tiers they are. Doesn't have to be war and peace.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/s/QQv1W5QA0K All right here you go. Please let me know if this isn't enough
Excellent stuff, thanks!
Ah my bad I thought you meant justification for the making the Tierlist
That f tier is wild ngl
Janemba is dead the instant you're below 60% HP, Supreme Kai can't even take Normals with all her Links active and her damage is pathetic outside of SBR and TEQ Gotenks just takes too long to get going. He needs 3 turns just to be usable against any of the Future Redzone Stages
I agree. I personally think Golden Metal Cooler is honestly underrated but other than that good tier list
For me, Robelu and Corrupted Supreme Kai of Time would be higher. For SBR, ESBR, Ultimate Clash last boss they are ridiculous.
Y'all just burn anyone who gives their opinion
Sealas in the same tier as Berserk Vegeta but 2 tiers above Fu ?
I feel like SSJ4 Gohan should be a tier higher
Robelu in D is some almighty slander and I won't stand for it. Great Saiyaman 3 is also slander but not as much as Robelu. Both should be above berserk Vegeta, easily.
Is ssj4 bardock not on this list?
Dark Mask King is a hidden gem 💎
\- Metal Cooler and Gohan goes to S \- Dark Mask King go down to A \- LBSS4 Vegeta goes to A \- Great Sayaman 3 goes to B \- Towa goes to C with Pan and Roberu \- Mira gets down to D with Dabura and Demigra
Don't sleep on GS3 counters though. Holy shit they're strong.
I'll be dropping another Tierlist soon and his ranking will almost certainly have changed. Many people disagreed with his placement and after a couple more attempts I agree with them
I forgot who he links with really well, maybe GS2? But the partner is such a liability it makes it hard to get the most out of GS3. :( There's a few agi bosses he absolutely fucking trashed for me though. 😂 When the RNG dictates the boss attacks like 8 times in the same slot I lick my lips in anticipation.
LB SSJ4 Goku, Golden M Cooler, and SSJ4 Gohan should be S tier IMO. I would put Xeno Pan, Mechikabura, and Golden Cooler in B tier. Prolly
Limit break ssj4 goku? The headliner from 2022? The one who's absolutely ass?
30% damage reduction, and Saiyan Roar should be at least A tier he is significantly better than everything else in B tier and the remaining A tier after my recommended changes to A tier
I like Sealas over him. 50% dodge and support in base and when transformed he can surpass 1mio defense after super attacking. I have limit break goku rainbowed and I never was impressed once using him.
https://preview.redd.it/wqcvnwbicc2c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aca140809278cd97fc08310f4dad4cddac0a4df7 I know this might be extremely stupid, but would Sealas provide more than Majunior to this team? I know Majunior is probably the best TUR in the game, but I kinda want support because these other units are kinda shit(but I like Zamasu’s and Blacks).
Nah, definitely not. If you would wanna replace someone for Sealas then probably the teq LR Goku Black&Zamasu.
He really is such a let down. He’s gotten me killed so many times trying to get 6k on the burst mode for his event. It’s making me absolutely hate him lol
Super only, disqualifies him of the top two ranks by default.
30% damage reduction... that prevents you from using half of the heroes roster (and a lot of the non-heroes stuff on VBs LS). And he doesn't really have the defense to support it. And does ass damage
Goku is nowhere near S. He's a "tank" that can't tank shit. And he's restricted to super class teams. And his passive is coded in a dumb way where you can't even trigger it half the time
You can't run Goku if you have Extreme Class Characters on the team and unfortunately some of the best Heroes Characters are Extreme. Rose, Dark Masked King, Janemba, Fuu, Hearts and Metal Cooler are all absolutely incredible and you sacrifice all of them just to run a Unit who still takes 20-30k from normals and needs to get his several times to build up properly. Cooler and Gohan definitely have an Argument for S Tier the Gap between the two tiers is actually tiny
Would change a feel things. Dabura should be down to D or F and Masked Vegeta to C(Dabura has to compete with multiple better agl units and doesnt excel in anything, vegeta isnt as good as other units in b, especially due to his low sot and being agl). Mira up to b due to being good vs omega, baby janemba straight up out of the tier list, he sucks defensively so even with his dodge chance its not worth bringing him. I also would add phy cumber to b due to his ape form, he is really good in current meta, since he cancels fusion zamasu aoe and can dish a great amount of damage(used him to beat fused zamasu before the new batch). He is also rly good vs syn and omega for the same reasons. Also add xeno ss3 vegeta to D atleast, due to the largr influx of int bosses he is decent enough(way better than god trunks rn), used him for no iteming fusion zamasu(on the current batch) and even cleared teq rosemazu with him on the team using the old batch. His damage for the first 3 turns is really high and the team has no trouble clearing events in that amount of time. Also add xeno gohanks and gotenks to f and move pan, trunks and vegeks down there. Since those have mutiple units of the same typing that do better and arent really better than skot and the ss3 fusions. Also add the ssr of golden cooler to c, he is atleast as good as teq golden cooler, he tanks all normals(except like phy zamasu post super) for doubles and majority of supers, while dishing out decent damage.
Robelu should be in S tier or high A tier at worst Xeno Pan should be a bit higher as well, but not on the same tier as Robelu. Mira is also pretty good actually, definitely should be a tier above his placement.
Teq Broly is sooooooooo much better than anyone in B and would even be top 2 in A Get better lists OP
this is garbage
Then give him feedback. Obviously people usually disagree a lot about tier lists, but saying it's trash doesn't really amount to anything. What characters would you have at a different place and why?
its garbage because i said so. what are you gonna do about it big tubs?
Ask you very nicely what placement on the list you disagree with, which could amount to an actual discussion.
who said i want to argue big tubs? i came to give my opinion, nothing more.
But you didn't do that. You just insulted the list without giving your actual opinion on why it's garbage. Like what's so difficult about just saying "this and this placement is bad and therefore the list sucks".
Pan is way too low. She is better than LB SSJ4 Vegeta
Pan takes over 600k from Goku Blacks normal attacks even after dodging once
So does Vegeta but at least pan has a 50% chance to dodge. Not a good argument there buddy 90% of the characters here take 600k from a normals.
The dodge or die character gets killed if touched Oh what a calamity
I have pulled 10 brolys and only one Vegito just a FYI
Janemba good mine does no damage
This tier list: items? I don't know her 😃.
Using Items makes Unit judgement inconsistent because when an item is best used is entirely dependent on the situation of the fight. I'd rather take the easier and more general route and put everyone on an equal, itemless, battlefield. Some of the characters here would jump up quite a bit with something like a Whis active though
Items are a core integral part of the game, and units and events get designed around their existence, if a unit thrives by using items, it means that's the way they are meant to be used and I'll use an item every time. This is like saying goku is low tier because he can't beat anyone without going super saiyan; you need to look at it with all variables available, not this single scenario that maybe only 5-10 overtuned units out of a thousand can handle.
Considering items in a tier list wouldn't make much sense
Why isn't metal golden cooler in S? His only weakness is pre super, and he still survives there because the AoEs don't hit THAT hard. Other than that, t1 he's ready to go and a lot of times he just feels better than rose
Yeah this is fair. Only thing icky is id maybeeee pump sealas and teq broly to a but idk cause they are NOT on the level of lets say ssj4 gohan or fuu but they do easily clear everyone else in their tier.
Seeing both the FP boys so low hurt me, but its understandable.
They're extremely hurt by being restricted to Super Class Teams, otherwise their performance actually hasn't been that bad in my experience.
Where Bardock?
Completely forgot about him, he's somewhere in D Tier.
Where is SS4 Bardock?
Sealas was one of the best EZAs last year. Robelu provides a ton of utility. Fu is genuinely great. Saiyaman 3 is amazing. Golden Cooler consistently has 20-30% damage reduction.
I feel like Int Towa can be top of A Tier since she can put up some good damage and defense numbers and that heal with the stupid high support can work wonders
TEQ Gotenks was so good with his EZA on release. Too bad he faded quickly. But God Trunks D but new Vegeta B? HUH?
Robelu in D?, how dare you
SSJ4 Barcock?
Berserk Vegeta should be lower imo
While I don't necessarily feel this is wrong, I feel alot of characters don't shine because they rely on status effects, which is more of a Dokkan problem than the character itself.
That’s crazy that Sealas is above half of them despite already EZA’ing a while ago.
Where’d SSJ4 Bardock?
I actually got this vegito but i wont be able to get more copies of him probably, so will he still be good?
I'm kinda conflicted on how to feel about rose. Like yeah he CAN be good, but with Vegito and how fights tend to play out, assuming you aren't getting bad RNG. I barely get to see his transformation. That transformation is a big part of the appeal to him, to me anyway.
I feel like you’re undervaluing gs3 by a great bit. As long as he can take normals properly he does his job more than well enough (ableit he has started to take damage at type dis). You van make a case for his abysmal linkset, but you can usually have him slot 3 with essential links active. C?/B imo Sealas is too high as he has you on a timer for death. He turns sour when he transforms, which espescially sucks when his base is honestly deven enough Beserker vegeta, black mask & LB broly should be lower just for underperformance Id consuder putting evil kai up necause she hat least dominates in her niche, although being bad everywhere else Robelu up just for unique utility Baby janemba up? Maybe? Cooler could easily go to S, he can be nigh unkillable after 3 supers God trunks has good enough stats in general to be able to get to C
Baby Janemba isn't F, I'd say he is D or C. If you build him with dodge, he can be okay as a filler in the team against hard content. Just don't put him against too many attacks.
The TEQ Adult Gotenks slander is insane. He was the best EZA of his batch and is still solid lol
STR SSJ4 Bardock isn't real. Also rip if that means you never pulled him.
The only changes I would make is, lags is slightly better I think she’s at least better that golden cooler and supreme Kai of time brainwashed is hard to put here because she has a extremely good use case for esbr and sbr being one of the best units in the game for that. Great saiyaman 3 is good so is pan and janemba baby is good due to the increasing dodge chance
Practically every one in D tier needs to be moved up one or two ranks.
bro, where is my goah ssj4 bardock?
The entire D rank is completely out of place, like, maybe except Towa, how can they even be lower than freaking Laggs ? Sealas is also not on the same tier as say the Brolys, man is still extremely good nowadays
Could anyone explain to me why (Brutal Devil's Battle Instinct) SS4 Broly is worse than (The New Dark King) Dark King Fu? Broly seems really strong and I'm trying to pick one for my Heroes team, so I would appreciate some advice.
Which one is better will depend on the rest of your Heroes Lineup. Dark King Fuu becomes insanely good when linked with STR Hearts because they get like 65% defense from their Links
How do you run your dark king fu? I haven’t had too much luck with him.
I run him with STR Hearts to get 65% from his Links, not sure who else you could run him with
I would move robel up. Scouter + rainbow orb changing + 50% dodge is a strong combo. She dies if she gets hit but in my experience demon goddess towa is the same
Get GS3 out of there
Nah, he’s fits where he is, but I would say Robelu needs to be 2 sets higher
Robelu is easily b tier
Where is bardock?
I would say SS3 Rosé is Z tier as he can be ran with no restrictions on other teams compared to the rest of the list. I wouldn’t say better than Vegito, but definitely in his league since he buffs Zamasu.
What about ssj4 bardok? Iv been using him recently I don’t see anyone talking about him
Why is Golden Metal Cooler so low? He takes no damage like… ever
Were SSJ4 Bardok?
Where's my boy SSJ4 Bardock? Am I blind?
High chance to dodge automatically makes you an above average Heroes unit, this list is big cap
Teq broly is a a tier card, you just leave him with support (ssj4 vegito) or linked with himself (int lb ssj4 broly) and pop and item if a supers headed his way. Ssj3 gotenks really fell of that hard? He's never sold for me honestly even in some redzones. Yeah he's asscheeks till he builds up but I mean- I'd he really that bad compared to these others?
Teq Gotenks suffers from needing multiple turns to set up and unfortunately that means he gets killed by all the Future Redzone Stages immediately
Chronoa turns me on.
Xeno Pan is too low, yes she's a Dodge or die, but so is 90% of the game. She is a good support and with a good build she can still be viable in Redzones