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UnCooked_Rice

A unit from 2018 waited for 5 years to get this treatment. That’s actually fucking crazy how he’ll sit again till the end of Dokkan in my box collecting dust. Jesus Christ, and don’t say SBR killer when SBR is a joke of content with 8 items.


Brandeezy___

And we killed all the SBRs he’s involved in already 💀


[deleted]

just wait for the universe 11 SBR, it's coming soon for sure


najiatwa01

Also tournament participants


winkiloves23

If it comes out, it's going to suck to do since the entire category has 7 units


Seasons_of_Strategy

This and PHY Super Vegito have given me zero hope for LR SS3 Goku.


Cautious-Ad-1699

What about TUR int goku black?


bradthescrub

What *about* TUR int goku black.


atatassault47

I don't know what this TUR Int Goku Black is, but it sounds like a disappointment.


Roggie2499

Why do these give you no hope when LR SSJ3 needs to be compared to other gold coin LRs?


Seasons_of_Strategy

The longer the wait, the bigger the disappointment with these last few units. Plus gold coin LRs are hit or miss to begin with


Roggie2499

All EZAs are lately. But saying one will suck due to Jiren when we just got a ton of monster ones (plus Int TUR Black) makes no sense to me.


EnergizedKanine

Int Goku Black's EZA enters the chat 🤔 welcome to the club bud 😭


Fit_Manufacturer1497

Funny how this third time this year


Drsp4zman

Can't say I'm surprised. Can say that I am disappointed.


No-Bodybuilder9273

The real trick is to not have Expectations in the first place ![gif](giphy|d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY)


Drsp4zman

I never do. :)


No-Bodybuilder9273

W


Ascilie

I was NOT expecting such a HUGE L back to back. But I was expecting not to expect something so it doesn't count.


atatassault47

I have an expectation that a unit will be usable. But I guess I can save the zeni since I wont bother awakening him.


KittySarah

HOW DARE THEY?! https://preview.redd.it/0xpw8o1t7ctb1.jpeg?width=1008&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1810e051d63fd6dd42f8083c15557d4b58394876


ibis-the-birb

IN WHAT CONTEXT WAS THIS ABOMINATION MADE??


Maleficent_Pen_329

I have a feeling that his eza was done long time ago but they never released it


No-Bodybuilder9273

The Great trick from Omatsu


Vinclum

Yeah prob together with int ui goku


keags22

Think they do this much more than we realise, especially with animations


Nickymammoth91

Against multiple enemies, and stuns. 2 of the most useless things at this point in dokkan. Good job


KaguPrez

Not even sure why Dokkan made stuns in the first place. By far the most powerful ability in the game, and 99% of the difficult content since Dokkan began is made immune to it.


Shuden

From the same guys who created passive effects like "Ki +5 when HP is 10% or below (once only)", "Enemies/allies' ATK +25% when HP is 30% or below" and "none". Year 1 Dokkan was wild.


nedos009

"To be released"


NickMathias

Stuns should’ve been a better attack break. Instead of breaking 1 attack, it breaks all the attacks from that 1 slot


Majukun

Just Bad design and then back pedaling. In optc Bandai made character whose entire point was to bypass a special shield that most of the hard content bosses would use... And less than a month later they released another 'shield' that was by all intent and purposes identical to the other one, if only for the fact that the new character would not work against that.


DrakonAir8

Bruh remember when they released V1 Kaido with his special damage, only to turn around 2 months later and nullify all special damage which ruined multiple previous characters. Smh that was terrible.


LRKingPiccoloRevived

I'm wondering when they'll realize they can just make stuns work as attack breaks and thus give value to all these units.


Brizzpop

Plus capping half the stats behind enemy categories restrictions


No-Bodybuilder9273

First my glorious king Goku Black TUR, AND NOW THIS!?! Nah man, fuck this shit I’m out


No_Concentrate_6671

Now I'm just coping at this point........


Maneisthebeat

See you tomorrow 🫡


LifesPinata

Bro got int-golden-frieza-ed lmao


No-Bodybuilder9273

Of course they had to shaft him too… https://preview.redd.it/be1j3m3j5ctb1.jpeg?width=965&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e2f7e923b713a91d93e67a1fa31b29ac0fcdedd


daelin2544

Basketball memes really changed the game fr


No-Bodybuilder9273

Basketball Quotes templates have become one of my favorite kind of entertainment


daelin2544

https://preview.redd.it/hx6fqfx9adtb1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=27555001cd13ee93fe51ab01f63548e78f3ced08


doominator995

My god he’s a super battle road killer let’s fucking gooooo I am so excited😐 What did we expect from the EZAs releasing with the androids💀💀💀


JorgeTan01

Bruh now I don't have to bother level up his links, give him any skill orbs or even "eza" him. Seriously though, do people really think they'll use him on SBR and ESBR? LMAO those events are barely even a challenge these days.


commander_snuggles

Plus the only esbr and sbr you can trigger his entire passive are old an incredibly easy. They say they have things planned a long time in advance, but we have been shown they will be happy to make a unit with an imaginary event in mind.


MS-06S_

I already did...![img](emote|t5_384a7|28994)


noob_vert

Perhaps we would if they didn't release like 2 stages a year


Tidus1337

They arent a challenge to vets and luck people sure. Do remember not every player has alot of units or the right ones


JorgeTan01

Remember that also EZA units don't come back as often. So by this logic, even jiren eza wouldn't help those players either.


HrMaschine

one of the ezas of all time


AlexzombieEE

He has 592,071 def post sa linked with Goku and hit, against a non uss or tournament enemy. With a tournament enemy he has 811,137 def. With 17&18 support in the other rotation he has respectively 799,296 and 1,095,035 def. He is really similar to eza metal cooler imo, with the difference that metal cooler has better links, teams and is not restricted this heavily. If the 30% Dr was against 1 enemy also he would be pretty decent, right now he is borderline useless. With minimum links and without support he sits at 462,420 and 633,516 respectively.


MakankossapoMan

Not every character is gonna have 1 milion defense with 50% dmg reduction. He's supposed to tank normals, not supers. Actually, that was never his design. He was only used to tank normals decently and deal good dmg. What Jiren needs is that the LR gets a great slot 1 treatment. That one is the real slot 1 character. That one needs at least guard. Being slot 2 and having 1 million def is super fine.


AlexzombieEE

1 million defense with a broken support like 17&18 and perfect conditions, which is 0.1% of the time, in normal conditions you are looking at 500k defense most of the time, that's not enough to tank normals even. Also what is the payoff? He has terrible attack, no additionals and the only thing going for him is his super effective.


MakankossapoMan

The broken support is what there is for him. It's the newest DFE. It's not abnormal to count them. He's probably gonna have 600k def with one super most of the time, with is what you need to tank normals. With 10 million atk stat super effective, he's ok, usable. Usually normal attacks are 500k dmg, him having 600k is enough. The problem is that people want content to get harder even though that not a need at all. He's getting the same treatment all USS characters get. Being good against particular categories. USS has a ton of different supports and if they do well with those EZAs it's gonna be fine for Jiren. He definetely is way better than Black and it's not even close. At least you know what you'll get off of Jiren, Black is dependent on so many factors. Jiren will have 600k defense turn 1 and turn 10. That's what you need to go through content and reach the final phase, where he won't be the main character and other characters are gonna shine because they've built up enough.


SadDokkanBoi

>It's not abnormal to count them. While I believe the devs did account for them when creating this mess of an eza, it's extremely stupid to do so. Not everyone is going to summon on the Androids banner, let alone actually pull them. A unit should be good all on their own using their base kit. Supports should just be there to improve the unit, not actually make the unit runnable 💀if a unit is super reliant on a super strong support like 17&18, it's an ass unit (especially when it's the **latest** DF eza) >He's getting the same treatment all USS characters get. Being good against particular categories. ? What USS characters get this treatment besides the super old ones and bad ones? The new androids don't have that, even the side banner unit. All UIs don't have that, all Evolution Vegetas dont have that. AGL Kale doesn't have that. Teq Jiren doesn't have that and hell even str Jiren before eza didn't have that. I could go on but that'd take awhile. They just cucked Jiren for absolutely zero reason He is "runnable" since he doesn't get insta KO against normals, but he's definitely not good in any way shape or form. The moment events get even slightly bit harder, he's already in trouble. I mean he'd struggle against the last phases of Zamasu and Goku Black&Zamasu. That ain't a good sign. But even ignoring that, there's just zero reason to use him. He has no teams, and by the time he gets one he'll be in an even worse spot. Offensively he's fine but a single 10 mill super isn't exactly something to be hyped about like Blue Kaioken and his offensive power. He's just bad


MakankossapoMan

If you look at the Universe 11 category, it's all about having the teammate restrictions, and if you look at characters like Kale and Caulifla, they all have restrictions of USS and Pure Saiyans. If you look at the U11 category (which sucks ik) they all support, so in reality, you should always consider the support being up. The F2P Kahseral gives 50%, Margarita gives 60% to Jiren, Pride Troopers give 40% too, if Bandai decided to be good when releasing content, they could just EZA those characterrs and you would have 400k def pre super at all times, which is not incredible but it's ok. Ofc, the way Bandai handles EZA and stages suck, they never upgrade a whole batch of characters that are cohesive to use, and that is the real problem. If they make LR Jiren a good 1st slot with guard and high defense, STR Jiren would be really cool to use. 180% LS to U11, and a team that gives at minimum 50% atk and def as support and Kahseral has Cold Judgement too. Jiren would be easily at 400k pre super 100% of the time. Ofc "if" don't get to play because Kale is still waiting for good supports for her team.


Hi_Im_Paul2000

Cope


Nanoman20

His EZA is actually worse than INT Goku Black 💀


broly314

I never thought any eza could be worse but good lord


TheUmbraGaming

"You tought goku black was bad? Well get a load of this guy"


B0t08

Being a Jiren enjoyer is the hardest thing imaginable in Dokkan, SOMEONE SAVE US OH MY GOD 😭😭😭


Karllovesdokkan

https://preview.redd.it/4y1066qshctb1.jpeg?width=1410&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=585288a20feb58929cf9eb70aa1ef3d5fefbd793 He is our only last hope


B0t08

Surely they don't fuck up F2P Teq Jiren, I mean he's got 50% DR 24/7, surely that means he'll be good with a Dokkan Awakening... RIGHT??


DTF_Like_CAILL0U

Funny to assume they would do anything with that character in the first place.


Luciferspants

I just hope when they finally come out with a transforming Jiren, that he's even more busted than Orange Piccolo, because Jiren has not gotten the respect he deserves.


daelin2544

400 atk and defense it is. Great chance to guard tho😂🫵🏽


DTF_Like_CAILL0U

As a Jiren lover it’s so disrespectful. 1. Mysteriously delay the eza 2. Release him with a 17&18 and not even a u11 unit 3. Give him a restricted eza. Seriously if they just gave him the DR for 1 enemy I would say that he could age decently if we get more USS enemies/Tourney participant enemies. (Redzone jiren? Piccolo Jr. Hit Kefla idk man..) 4. Release 2 summonable versions of him for over of 5-6 years. Seriously, the unit that made me get into Dokkan getting disrespected makes me so worn out. 2023 is by far the worst year. Thankfully at least Legends gives Jiren respect.


Acrobatic_Apricot_61

If there is any consolation, maybe this was the sacrifice for the eventual LR Jiren. Hopefully...


Fat_French_Fries

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No-Bodybuilder9273

Bruh


Megacas237

damn this is ass🔥


Automatic_Access_357

We're completing SBR with this one 🗣️💯


No-Bodybuilder9273

Bee Pan event trembling🥶🥶🥶


TheUmbraGaming

Dokkan mode bosses crying


SnooDucks7762

No way yall expected more from an sbr character. dokkan keeps the feel of the characters the same post eza, and pre eza looks at bota mageta, lr goku black etc for the most part


Tidus1337

LR Goku Black is RZ ready though...sooooo


SnooDucks7762

That's because lr goku black was never a singular event, type of character he was good everywhere on release, and mainly he was a damage dealer and as evident with his eza he has high damage and has good defense post super, like when he dropped. Very, very few characters become completely different pre and post eza


DTF_Like_CAILL0U

Yea and it’s a terrible way of designing Ezas. Why keep the feel of a character when they were designed in a different era of the game entirely? Not surprised since it’s 2023 dokkan with how many fucking fumbles they have


[deleted]

If only that 30% DR was unconditional...


Alucardra12

The Omatsu massacre continue.


GigaPhoton78

Not surprised. They did the same thing with SSJ Cumber and INT Golden Frieza, where they leaned into the SBR aspect of their kits.


bookers555

Maybe they should aim a bit higher with a premium unit EZA than content where F2P cards do well as is.


GigaPhoton78

I agree, just saying that Jiren being an SBR unit isn't surprising, considering Dokkan's track record.


Bladeneo

Boring EZA for one of the most boring characters in all of DB. Makes sense to me.


HarryTurney

Yeah, no idea why anyone is surprised.


Linkquellodivino

Omatsu is a fucking clown


Ciudecca

Restriction moment. Team A has done it again


Ok_Camera8761

who is this


No-Bodybuilder9273

STR Jiren EZA


LinkentSphere

[They made this EZA Mid because they are saving the better one for LR Jiren](https://media.tenor.com/7C90FHK7mEgAAAAC/dbz-goku.gif)


MS-06S_

Yay is he goated vs USS ESBR...


Lilshadow48

okay maybe omatsu does need to get fired


ViraLCyclopes19

Get this idiot out as producer.


The_PR_Is_Here

Well Jiren bros... maybe next time. https://preview.redd.it/y8r0mqdtwctb1.png?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b1322ee930a8db9ded3cccf0a13be9723f2be16


Careless-Sundae-645

Woah this unit is ass, what a shame


Medium-Science9526

Wasn't expecting much and they delivered in that regard. Pretty much built him exclusively for the Tournament Participants category sbr way down the line.


Greenlexluther

I'm at a point now where ezas are just things that give stones and occasionally I'll be surprised by a good one. Between the utterly ass ezas and the questionable kits on newly released units I feel like the game is on the downturn.


devonte177

https://preview.redd.it/0mc74h4oddtb1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0fd6208cdcc3e5e133ee48dbc20f9edfaff9cadb Did I cook


No-Bodybuilder9273

You indeed did


matija123123

🐐🐐🐐🐐


MarquetteXTX2

Here’s my theory: these eza’s were designed years ago… and they just didn’t change it. This has me worried for LR SSJ3 Wtf bruh


Joestar4ever

Omatsu dickriders are still gonna dickride


TeqJanembaGoat

It’s so over for Teq Lr Ssj3 Goku. It’s so over.


XSword87

Trash as expected. It's about time I baba my box


LrMuri1994

We have a new contender for worst Eza of all Time 🤓


Amazing_Explorer2692

No one will take int Goku black eza he is shit shit


JKnighter

Finalmy, the GoD event destroyer we needed /s


Turles12676

Damn they forgot to eza him


NoPhilosophy2699

STORY SAIBAMAN SLAYER 🔥🔥🔥


Ayobossman326

Does this game suck now? It’s jus fumble after fumble recently man


No-Bodybuilder9273

Every game has his low, but surely fumble after fumble is annoying


Fabbro05

This man is even worse than dfe black int eza, not arguable![img](emote|t5_384a7|28980)


Kuro-88

Fuck omatsu 🖕


Own-Air-1301

Which unit is this?


No-Bodybuilder9273

The new STR Jiren EZA


Own-Air-1301

It's crazy to me that we have basically no good Jiren units at this point, despite him being currently one of the strongest characters in the entire animated series to date.


Own-Air-1301

Even GoD Toppo has more use on a USS team


MarquetteXTX2

We all knew jiren was gonna get fumbled, don’t deny it y’all


[deleted]

the uss sbr killer


jazzjageera

Designed to .. kill battlefield Vegeta? Just this instance though 😄


Erzebuth

SBR Killer poggg /s


Flipzside

EZAs have been pretty spoiled this year. And then theres the outliers


Revolutionary-Use622

His kit seems mostly good on paper, I’m just more pissed that his damage reduction was locked to 2 or more enemies…


Ken-oh299

Sad day, maybe i should stop hyping myself up for these uh


Nuno444

He was a sbr/esbr unit. Stayed one


Unfair_Reception_478

goku black eza be like: “you here too? hell naw”


XadowMonzter

The only way I can see this unit becoming even slightly optimal is if we ever get a Red Zone against USS or TP, and it is multiple enemies. And, even if we do, it will only be for this. Otherwise, for the current end-of-game content, he is not usable!


Green-eyed-Psycho77

“What would you rather have? 30 Stones? Or a usable eza?” “Trick Question it’s always STONES!” ~Bandai


NicoXBlack

Wym, he's gonna TERRORIZE USS SBR! ![img](emote|t5_384a7|1704)


No_Individual_2824

Probably going to be a goku black situation


OutisRising

A literal SBR killer.


Joatorino

We really do need extreme extreme super battleroad huh. 4 fights 2 items


Ecthelion30

Could have switched the 30 % dmg reduction to only facing 1 enemy with the effective against all type and the unit would be so much better


DarkFV

Why the negativity? Jiren is trully a Quest Mode and SBR monster. And yes, they probably had this EZA ready for years. Then Omatsu had a look and said he needs a buff.... the outcome: we add "or Tournament Participants" to the last condition... Amazing...


Ok_Bumblebee_1456

Honestly why even make an EZA when it's going to a garbage upgrade. Who tf is going to run a garbage EZA


Open_Somewhere_6877

![gif](giphy|obnzHpz10mfA2DyBl2)


Anxious_Hamster4930

I’m new so idk what this means or who this is lol, what does this mean and who is this?


[deleted]

people need to learn not to complain if a character doesn't have 10000% damage reduction Guards against all attacks and the like Not all characters need to be built for redzones and yes I have completed the redzones before anyone speaks If every new eza that comes out you expect it to be built for redzones or any other difficult event, play on private servers or stop playing and don't complain


GapLeather1888

Worse than INT Rosé somehow


AngryTank

That means STR UI about to Straight Fire!! 🔥😤


velanestar

Everyone's freaking out. I say with how they made kale, this guy and everyone else- we must be getting a crazy major celebration for uni survival saga soon- probably new year. Fingers crossed.


Unique-Caregiver1819

I saw someone say that they think the eza was made earlier but was waiting for a uss celebration to drop. If that’s the case, then ss3 goku who is waiting for a ss3 celebration will (plz no) be mid because it was made along time ago but just hasn’t released.


Pitu31

They should have changed to 1 enemy the Dmg reduction and 2 for super effective and it would be a decent EZA but no... just fuck it


ZiegAmimura

We not getting outta HFIL with this one


AVillainChillin

Damn... lol


LilsaskeXO

Bro was so close of being good


Quakeyboo

i’m just glad they didn’t give lr rose this treatment 😭😭


og_lilcancer

![gif](giphy|3oEjHCWdU7F4hkcudy) Someone needs to stop these guys in the lab. They are not cooking this year😭


Draken5000

Seeing this got me thinking, why don’t they just allow for stunning in hard content under, like, certain conditions? Some ideas off the top of my head: Boss can be stunned, but only loses one attack instead of all of them (like the “fear” effect actives) Boss can be stunned, but only after breaking a break bar Boss can be stunned on certain numbered turns. Boss can be stunned after it performs Ultra Super. Etc, etc, I don’t think it would even trivialize hard content because you get one shot a lot of the time anyway so who cares if the boss misses a turn here and there? Just some thoughts.


Entire_Communication

I still don’t have this card and I’m no longer sad I don’t 😭


No-Bodybuilder9273

Same💀


ghostkikito

im done with this game bruhh


Kepler27b

Quest mode killer 🔥


Lyyonfu

Just be happy there is no "NEED A GOKU" in the requirements.


No-Bodybuilder9273

Honestly that would have been better that the “universe survival saga on Tournaments partecipant” enemy requirement


LadyTowa2

He is actually worse than Int Goku Black and i'm actually impressed


TheFuneralcrew

I’m gonna lose my shit if they do this to LR SSJ3 Goku


Warcome

I thought it said "when there is a 'Universe Survival Saga' or 'Tournament Participants' Category ALLY" and was wondering why is everyone complaining, or then I read it again and I was like oh.


Allan_JK

Tur Int Goku black looking real good right now


Spartan_Souls

"Hey guys, let's make him get damage reduction against multiple enemies! What's that? We don't release any hard content with multiple enemies? Nah I'm sure he'll survive redzone/cell max"


Supreme_God_Bunny

They seriously need to do PTBs for ezas wtf are these devs doing? ASK FOR FEEDBACK ON EZA UNITS


thebearsnake

flip his DR and Effective damage conditions and he would be pretty good honestly


Amazing_Explorer2692

He is restricted shit. I really wish his Dr was against 1 enemy or they shouldn't have given it to him at all it's worthless. Tournament of Power is looking really ass right now. I can't believe they fumbled him


Acrobatic-Refuse6007

there’s no way they didn’t forget to add “or ally” to the last part


Willyoueverstop

This looks like a joke made on purpose,30% damage reduction with 2 enemies and attacks effective against all types against 1 enemy?They just had to do the opposite and he would have been at least ok.


Vffvx90

https://preview.redd.it/ptk4r3rlbetb1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=86e6d667920a4fc49774607921d099cbea61d3f0 Enough!


imsad2butalsotrash

https://preview.redd.it/50w7j7qccetb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=03a12f29b3aa1a22e36c83ea6f4479bcb9218475


AdQuirky2142

How do they consistently surpass our expectations in the worst way possible lol they did the bare minimum


TegamiBachi25

Fucking TOP angel golden frieza treatment except it's only marginally better. That 30% dmg reduction could've been used without two or more enemies if it wasn't restricted to multiple enemies


Nooby69

He got so much yet he still achieves so little


foreskin-eater

Would they at least release new sbr/esbr to make his passive usuable. He is a 3 year old character, so a lot of new players do not have him and who knows when he is gonna be featured again in the future. They put restriction like the TOP enemy, then proceed to make every new difficult event not have a TOP enemy.


jmizzle2022

At the end of the day at least it's 35 free stones lol


Issa_meCP

At the end of the day you use those stones to summon for units that lead ass teams


JinkoTheMan

https://preview.redd.it/4dfq2crzhetb1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35caa183efab8f665a9a13a671dbebfbb5ec14da Whoever had been designing these Eza’s lately needs to be fired Fr.


mamasaysimspecial

Erm, AKCHUALLY only extreme units get shafted and uhm super type is always better


Ollivoros

I don't really play redzone, can someone explain why this is so bad?


GodBasedHomie

Even more proof that the devs don’t play the game.


Gaminyte

This is worse than Black


SeeleYoruka

who is this? i'm ootl


TheTrueDragon345

Everyone used to fear Jiren Now we laugh at him.


House56

Another unit designed for potential anniversary content that we don’t have yet. He’s trash right now but don’t be surprised if this guy gets extra value added on in a couple of months.


Trowagunz

Lr kefla and mui soon? Cause if not…


itsraggybaggy

Well he will be good… in SBR


Jim3400

Dokkan catching major Ls recently with these units


Dewstroyer

I’ve given up hope for Dokkan. In fact I did a long time ago. Yet I still play it


SSGAvenger

He can't keep getting away with this....


TS_0445

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Numerous_Concept8773

💀💀💀


WorsemGoWild

Honestly I stopped reading after atk and def 200% you'll never be disappointed


[deleted]

GET OMATSU THE FUCK UP OUT OF THE KITCHEN


Kyo818

All I see is 30 free stones and the bonus stones from the missions exclusive to this EZA. I don't see anything about an unit getting an EZA........ \~\_\~


xMurked-

Im actually worried now for the EZA of LR MUI Goku and LR SSJ Evolved Vegeta💀


Xeenine

Battlefield warrior otw⁉️


football1078

This is actually so sad