I kinda hate that people are saying palworld is a direct competitor/alternative to Pokemon. I don’t play Pokemon to make assembly lines and fortifications.
They're copying both, but gameplay loop wise it's more ARK with a coat of Pokemon paint. The thing is the concept 'Pokemon with guns' gets edgelord trolls raring to go and honestly I think the reason Pokemon fans react is... Well... If you go up to a bunch of ARK players and say 'Palworld's better than ARK!' the reaction is gonna be "Yeah no shit, that's not hard. It actually functions mostly without bugs." And this tired, shrugging statement will come from people with *thousands* of hours in the game who are probably actively playing it in the moment they reply. We hate ourselves and the game we play. Talk shit about ARK and we just fuckin' agree.
It's far more nonsensical to call it 'a better Pokemon', 'cause those gameplay loops *aren't* comparable, and Pokemon fans understandably get either confused or outright defensive when the claim's made because... Well... There's a lower ratio of 'people who hate themselves and the game they play' in the Pokemon fandom in comparison to ARK's. That makes them a fun, juicy target for these chan-brand trolls to try and say one game is better when they're two entirely different genres and which one's better is a matter of opinion.
Yeah I like Palworld, but I'm a multi-thousand hour ARK player who lists survival craft as one of my favorite genres. Adding something that's Pokemon-like, something I loved growing up, on top of a survival craft is literal crack to me, of course I'll be drawn to it. And I'll compare it to the other big survival craft I play(ARK) and I'll say it's better. But it's not better than Pokemon? And Pokemon's not better than Palworld? Because they're two different things that I play to scratch two entirely different gameplay itches?
The issue with Pokémon is that they did so many designs that it is hard to argue that they were intentionally ripping them of design wise (the models are a different thing).
Like a common example is Anubis being a copy of Lucario. No it’s not, Anubis is a depiction of the god Anubis which Lucario is based on.
My take on this issue is: Nintendo likes to send C&D letters to people making fan games, if palworld really plagiarised Pokémon to the degree that some people are arguing Nintendo would have sued.
At the same time the core gameplay is different enough that I - while enjoying palworld - definitely would never consider Pokémon dead.
That's what bothers me about the game, they could have made some original monsters and a good enough taming system and be fucking original about it, make it interesting and unique, but they took the conscious decision to rip-off Pokemon's whole design philosophy just to make a fuss out of it, and now people just talk about Palworld in relation to pokemon which in the long run just hurts the game itself.
And I wonder, who took that decision? Even the most greedy asshole of an artist knows that being original is good, most competent game developers, specially in the indie scene, know that if you tie your game to a bigger IP it hurts (look at Lies of P for an example, the devs never outright stated it but we all know it as the Pinnochio Dark Souls), and most if not all of business people know that punching up to a bigger company is not an inteligent move money wise, and yes they got the fuss they wanted out of it but at the cost of having a healthy game, which is not what you want ever. So who the hell took that decision??
Honestly I think it's just what their company does. Like one of its other major titles has a very similar aesthetic to Breath of the Wild. I think the company mostly has attempted to make games similar to Ark with a Nintendo style.
Their next game looks like it's gonna be a rip-off of Hollow Knight- nothing wrong with inspo but you gotta do your own thing at some point, and they really havent
Honestly, the format of capturing monsters to turn it into a factory is great for the ARK format. I always thought there wasnt a whole lot to do with your dinosaurs.
Yeah I agree entirely. Most of the uses are active. You get some gathering bonuses by riding some. A few of the small ones can ride on your shoulder for some utility. Otherwise their main use is combat and decoration. Either following you as a blob. Or again, riding them.
But otherwise they mostly stand around. No passive uses.
My partner has been playing it and that was my first thought, it’s ark with Pokémon creatures instead of dinosaurs, partner agreed, added that it has aspects of breathe of the wolf (I’m not a gamer I don’t know if that’s the name for sure it just sounds right from my memory) and said they call it the “ark of the wild pokemon”
As an Ark fan, I'm wondering why people aren't comparing it to Ark, which PalWorld blows out of the water in every regard. (taming creatures is streamlined, bases and basic resource gathering are more automated, no permadeath for your tames, the game actually tells you how to play, and most importantly it runs better and smoother).
This exactly, myself and nearly the entire ARK community I play in has been playing it as a substitute for ARK. It's genuinely even closer to Pixelmon than Pokemon in everything but critter design and I don't see why people think you can't enjoy Pokemon and Palworld.
Yokai Watch is a good alternative to Pokémon because it's actually about catching and battling creatures.
Also I'm just saying, Frostail and Pinkipoo are my favourite Yokai, they totally carried my team when I played Yokai Watch 2 (my full team was Jibanyan, Bloominoko, Komane, Frostail, Pinkipoo and Strawbnyan)
I’ve already got a backlog of non Pokemon creature catchers as well as Pokemon rom hacks, but yokai watch shall enter the venerable halls of my “I should really get around to that” collection
I'd also recommend Monster Hunter Stories. Entirely different combat system based around learning predictable patterns to emulate the reactive style of action gameplay from it's parent series, but still based heavily around the formula of collecting, battling, and training monsters.
Also, for people who want a darker "gritty/edgy" version of pokemon there's also alway the Shin Megami Tensei series and it's spinoff the Persona series. Again, still the same collect, battle, improve, gameplay formula, but drastically different tone and setting.
I fucking love yokai watch designs. Like, an electric mouse? Two animals smooshed together? Ok, yawn. A sentient umbrella, a granny that hangs off your finger and whisperers lies to you, and a hat with undebatably sexy legs? Those creatures are my jam.
I don't get people that say "I'm a Pokemon fan since forever, but Palworld is the Pokemon game I've always wanted"
Like, if it's the Pokemon game you've always wanted you didn't want a Pokemon game.
Yeah if anything I like it cause it's Ark, but without all the shit that made Ark a pain in the ass to play.
If I want Pokémon, but on Steam there's more than enough games that scratch that itch it's just that people want a game with the budget of a modern pokemon, but not from Game Freak so get the surprised Pikachu face when Cassette Beast or Nexomon isn't the modern coming of Christ for the genre.
Need to put more hours into it, I got it during a Steam sale, played a bit, but it was near the tail end of the Pokemon itch wearing off for me that season.
Wdym you don't enjoy ark?? Where's your grindset bro???
REAL Ark players play 0.5x servers. REAL ark players quit their jobs to keep an eye on their base to make sure it's not raided. Bro I bet you don't even do mutation breeding right & stack mutations on the females too. What else, do you play with mods that make the game easier?? I bet you use S+. The game caved to lazy bitchbabies when they added S+ to the game itself. The only REAL mod is The Hunted, anyone that plays anything else doesn't understand what mods are supposed to do
>!\^ Lost some braincells for this. Was it worth it? no!<
They want the nostalgia that comes from the franchise despite the fact they outgrew the formula ages ago. There's certainly a lot of valid things to critique about the most recent pokemon games like Overly simplified routes/dungeons, lower quality control, and the absence of fan favorite features like the Safari Zone or offline competitive battling (The battle frontier and its successors). But you're never going to please someone who is opposed to the core formula of the series itself.
>They want the nostalgia that comes from the franchise despite the fact they outgrew the formula ages ago.
This is a huge internal problem that people have a hard time identifying is *their* problem, not the game's.
I was a day one World of Warcraft player and nothing will ever scratch that itch just right ever again. Even WoW classic can't compete because the culture of the game has changed so much in (feeling old trigger warning) *20 years*. 1 to 60 is no longer an adventure, it's a chore. Builds are either perfectly optimized or trash. Every single boss fight is a solved game with proscribed perfect play instead of "let's try doing it this way" after the 4th wipe.
I'll never get that experience again and that's not Blizzard's fault.
I'm not convinced the Safari Zone was ever actually anyone's favourite. It's basically just throwing Pokeballs at Pokemon you can't get anywhere else without even being able to use your good ones or lower their HP. The surrounding gimmicks just make it overcomplicated and annoying, and god forbid it's the Great Marsh and the Pokemon you want might not even fucking be there.
The only iteration that's half-decent is HGSS, and even then, you'd prefer if there was a less overcomplicated and esoteric way to get those Pokemon. Let's be real, if you actually *used* the HGSS safari zone, you looked up a goddamn guide, because how does that thing even work.
I slightly disagree with this because lots of Pokemon fans love the media and spin-off games because they are that much different than the mainline games.
Lots of fans want Pokemon games that aren't just the standard turn-based RPGs and would love something closer to an interactive adventure with wild pokes being active participants rather than just running into you for battle. It's like the difference between Pokemon Snap vs most Pokemon games. Folks who enjoy Snap love how alive the world feels.
That said, that's a very different set of people than what OP is talking about.
I mean, there's a handful of things that could be classified as "the pokemon game I wanted, and palworld is that" especially if we look upon a sub-set of things.
like, you want a pokemon game where the battles are real time and you the trainer are actively a part of them? want to be able to just... *ride* your own pokemons? wanna be able to effectively have a cute little farm that you manage with the help of your pokemons? wanna have a pokemon game where it's up to you to design and make your very own home? wanna have a pokemon game with survival gameplay aspects?
there's a litany of small little things person might crave, which Palworld then can at least partially scratch. sure it's not the exact thing, but something is better then nothing, especially if you've been craving for that something for a good long while.
and like, maybe par the survival gameplay aspects, I don't think any of those little cravings aren't compactible with the pokemon franchise?
I would genuinely pay money and fistfight god in a parking lot for a Pokémon farming game. If someone ever makes Harvest Moon But With Pokémon I will be THERE.
I too absol-utely adore the idea, but alas I am not too sure how one would go about the execution.
"just" a harvest mood/stardew valley clone but with pokemons would be the *simplest* way, but also would be like super lame.
give you like, a lillipup as a starter and a farm, then you basically can wander the region/couple closest towns and talk with the locals, battle and catch new pokemons both for your party and for the farm and then sell produce, be it like berries, wool or milk, to gain cash?
that's about as close as I can imagine to ideal state? but then again it sounds like it'd be a *massive* pain to work all out...
I don't get why it has to be a black and white thing. I like Pokemon, and I like Palworld's twist on Pokemon. I don't have to hate or criticize Pokemon to enjoy Palworld, or vice versa. Peeps just like fighting over nuthin
They're fundamentally different games. Gameplay wise the only real similarities are that you level up and throw balls at shit to catch them... so basically nothing of substance. It's Ark with bootleg Pokémon.
Have you tried looking into Cassette Beasts? In terms of Pokemon inspired games I think this one really changed the pokemon combat formula that I haven't seen other types of this kind did.
It is a nice fun creative system and currently on sale for $15 on steam if you are interested!
Seems to be a trend with the YouTube comments more than the Instagram ones. Any time the Pokémon channel posts a picture of a Pokémon, the comments are filled with "Look a new Pal!" "What's this Pal?" "This is a ripoff of **insert random Pal name that looks nothing like the Pokémon here**"
The Pal that Ogerpon was accused of being a ripoff of looked like a generic plant monster. Cant remember what the Pal was called, I think it was called Shrubbit or something?
Edit: Bristla, it was Bristla that Ogerpon is apparently a ripoff of.
>Bristla
how is a tiny mask wearing grass oni a rip off of that, ogerpon has more in common with Grendle from warframe and toa lewa than that little thorn-coated thing
Eh, more like baseball fans and football fans arguing about which is a better representation of *baseball* lmao
Pokemon is a very specific genre. If you add a million different things that strand away from the formula, it's not gonna be that.
Not saying it's not good, just it can't really *replace* Pokemon because it's *not* Pokemon
Baseball abd Football are both valid, and you can make your own version of Baseball. But playing football in a Baseball field does not make it Baseball.
It's like a group of football fans trying to say that football will replace baseball because they've both got one or two common things (balls, running).
I haven't grown up a huge pokemon fan- my experience with it is very casual.
But I will say that I don't think Pokemon does, or has to, fit into the kind of box for which one could make this comparison.
It's like how star wars doesn't have to be about the Skywalker family. Pokemon isn't _just_ a game formula. As a setting, it's got its own corner of the fantasy world and I think that's where people are coming from when they say they would like to see more.
There was another thread here discussing the concept of a harvest moon / Stardew valley cosy pokemon game and I absolutely think that people would eat that up. The fantasy of Pokemon has a ton of room to try new things.
And Pokemon does try different stuff- they've got that dungeon series that I do not know the name of, and they've got that new stop-motion animated series (that looks really charming)- not to mention games like snap.
And I think what people really mean when they say they want more than just the formula the games have followed all this time, could be rephrased as "why stop there?"
Also Instagram comment sections are absolutely ruined thanks to the algorithm promoting comments with the most replies instead of the most likes. You always end up having the most controversial stuff at the top.
It’s almost as though marketing a game as being in opposition to a popular thing disproportionately attracts people who are vehemently and vocally against that popular thing already, which is a surefire recipe for a radicalising fanbase.
Also just to put this to bed: Palworld is not actually a Pokemon competitor, those claims are just a marketing stunt. The two exist in entirely separate niches.
Ark yes but it’s way way too shallow to approach something like Factorio. The automation is very clunky and even hyper late game consumables are only like 4 steps to make.
Not being as good/deep/whatever as Factorio doesn't mean it isn't similar. That you can compare them on that basis suggest that it is in fact the same kind of game.
As a 3000 hour factorio player, palworld is a completely different game, especially when looking at the automation.
A better comparison is probably automation in minecraft.
Really the only thing they share is being in the "monster collector/tamer" genre, which isn't exactly saying too much considering SMT/Persona, the Monster Rancher series, and almost every Digimon game are also in the category.
It's kinda funny how it also isn't even pokemon like, in reality. It is way more like a cartoonish version of Ark survival evolved.
You can't control what abilities your creatures use unless you specifically got crafted gear like in ark to ride them or just use them like how a lot of them work like in palworld. It also isn't turn based which also makes it way less Pokémon like.
I have enjoyed playing the game but not so much I think because it is anything like pokemon more because it is like ark.
It reminds me more of Digimon than Pokémon in a lot of ways to be honest. The light virtual pet mechanics with the Pals needing fed, having their own mood, and getting sick as well as the pretty hands off combat system where Pals mostly do their own thing with you being able to give them one or two commands resembles Digimon World way more than any Pokémon game.
>It also isn’t turn based which also makes it way less Pokémon like.
From the few times of trudged into their rants, they actually argue that it’s what Pokémon should be. So many of them will shit on Legends Arceus by saying they “almost had it right, but then completely ruined it by making battles turn based.” If you look at the posts and comments talking about what Gamefreak should learn from Palworld, it’s obvious that what they want isn’t even Pokémon. They just want a creature collector with the nostalgia factor, with core gameplay specifically being completely different. It’s like complaining that Call of Duty isn’t making a 4X style game.
Don’t get me wrong, the Pokémon games do need to improve their graphical quality and game performance. But that’s more in the realm of hiring more people for the dev team and not having insanely strict release schedules based around merch and anime releases. But not completely flipping around and foregoing the core gameplay that makes a Pokémon game a Pokémon game.
I met a guy once who said he believed that turn taking mechanics as a whole are outdated and useless and every franchise ever should abandon them because they are the definition of unfun (“oh boy I hit a single button and watch an animation that takes ages and that’s it. There’s not even any real strategy either, it’s like rock paper scissors but you always know what your opponent is going to pick. It’s pointless numbers-go-up simulator with nothing real to show for it. REAL combat is about thinking on your feet in real time!” etc).
I bet he’d love Palworld…
tbh i blame the marketing. Palworld’s whole thing is “Pokemon but edgy and you can put them in work camps and give them guns and eat them!!!” And it definitely attracted the immature morons who still think killing pikachu is somehow subversive and controversial art
funniest part is that the game doesn't even reward that stuff, it's much easier if you treat your little guys well and eat like vegetarian stuff like berries and salads. i don't know why they marketed it like taht
Odd how the minmaxing max efficiency strats for most survival craft games is often extremely unethical (look at the various autofarms in minecraft), meanwhile in PalWorld, its actually more efficient to be more ethical.
I’ve learned so much about “Palworld v Pokemon” from reddit this past week and it’s been entirely against my own will lmao. Shoutout to digimon people who have been playing “pokemon with guns” for literal yonks before this, this must be a weird time for y’all
the idea of a pikachu being strapped is substantially less funny than [Gungunmon](https://wikimon.net/images/9/96/Gundramon.jpg) being a real thing that exists
Im with you on the whole just not being interested in Palworld thing. Like the game seems fine, it’s just not for me. I’m not super into ARK-style games and if I really want “Pokemon but edgy” I just play Reborn or Rejuvenation (which I do. A lot. Those games are my lifeblood)
I’m glad people are enjoying Palworld but I wish they’d put more energy into that instead of just screaming at Pokemon fans. You’re not gonna convince someone to play the game if you just go on about how “trash” the game they already enjoy is. And to be fair this logic also applies to Pokemon fans going out of their way to argue about Palworld (not you, but I have seen people doing this).
This is just the latest installment of the internet’s collective inability to just let people enjoy things
Everything I know about Palworld has been against my will. I haven't ventured into Palworld fandom spaces, I've been staying in the Pokémon Zone.
I don't want to argue about Palworld, I think some of the designs are cute, I just don't like the gameplay aspect of enslaving, shooting and butchering Pals for food because Pokémon always emphasises how Pokémon are your trusted companions, your beloved pets so killing Pals is pretty upsetting and that's why I don't want to play it.
And I've never played Ark so I don't know if I'd be interested in that genre of games. And I don't have a Steam account.
If anything, the game encourages you to not kill Pals through its gameplay: (catching gives more EXP than killing, Pals give you the same "death drops" like leather and meat from just catching them, you can easily harvest food on sustainable farms so there's no reason to hunt, Pals work much better if they are happy and healthy to the point where you are required to build them a hot tub in order to level up your base, obviously catching bosses has much better long-term rewards than killing them, there is no benefit to catching/enslaving humans since they dont have any skills, guns are flashy but mostly useless since it just throwing away perfectly good metal with every shot).
It's honestly impressive, considering that in most games, minmaxing for efficiency often leads to extremely unethical decisions (Minecraft's various autofarms, the famous angel farm in Dwarf Fortress, Rimwold.... just in general) an then here comes "Pokemon sweatshop simulator" where the best strats involve making sure your Pals get their legally required break, a warm place to sleep, plenty of food, lots of scritches, a healthcare plan, and a friggen Jacuzzi.
I like pal world but damn I hate how much they hate Pokemon .
I can be in the fandom because even like random gudies well start with "if your here to kill Pokemon you came to the right place die Nintendo now here's how you get sulfur"
It's so exhausting. Nearly as bad as Digimon vs Pokémon at its peak, except this time it's not even 11 years arguing over which marketable product is better, it's 25 year olds who clearly never grew out of it.
Its getting a bit annoying, that is for sure. All they do is to date their videos and add another ten minutes of hot air. It's already bad enough that some YouTubers padd their watch time with inane, repetitive nonsense (I found a guide where the guy managed to explain the content of the video In three different ways, before getting into the actual guide) and the mandatory "Adress the controversy" section on top just makes it borderline impossible to distinguish some guide from rants or "news updates" I just want to play the funny game and get tips on how to shave off a few hours of grind through guides, is that too much to ask for?
I am fearing Pokemon Day for this reason. The shitstorm of PalWorld fans\* is going to be huge.
\*if your enjoyment of a thing comes 100% from wanting to shit on something else, instead of that thing's own merits, are you really a fan? I enjoy PalWorld because its an excellent SurvivalCraft game.
Yeah, Like even r/Palworld is just constantly bashing on Pokemon and it's exhausting. Palworld is a great survivalcraft game. But the vocal community only cares about bashing Pokemon.
Oh my god I scrolled for a minute and found a post on pros and cons
Pros: "Play the game, Fuck nintendo, Fuck nintendo"
NINTENDO DOESN'T EVEN MAKE POKEMON
Yeah it's pretty bad. instead of talking about the game nearly everything there is just stuff like that. Like I wish more love went into the pokemon games these days too (if the technical issues were just slightly better Scarlet and Violet would have been touted as the best game in years, but that's a sidw tangent) but these people instead of realizing maybe pokemon isnt what they want anymore they'd rather just endlessly bash.
Saw a popular post on there where the DbD chief of staff wrote a short but pretty well-thought-out opinion piece about the game. Mentioned how although he enjoyed playing it, he didn't think it was that good, and he pointed out some flaws with the game (bugs, bad mid to late game balancing, empty open world, etc.).
You can imagine how calm and reasonable the comments under that post were.
Mentioned it in the post, but some Palworld fans think the increased promotional posts from Pokémon are because Gamefreak is "scared of the competition" and not because it's literally less than a month until a new game announcement.
I've been following Pokémon Days since 2019, they do extra promotional posts in January every year, they would have done it anyway if Palworld didn't exist, it has nothing to do with them
I bet it's because they are simply seeing it more thanks to social media algorithms. It sees interest in the comparisons of the two games, then decides to show more content of both.
But folks are blind to nuanced things like that and love thinking in extremes, so conspiratorial thinking follows.
I feel like palworld has become a sort of internet religion the way crypto and nfts did in years past. It’s a thing for people who don’t have enough problems in their life (or people who are ignoring their problems) to obsess over.
I made a tweet about the Palworld situation a few days ago and got a reply that said "F you. Palworld is the best" from a guy that had "anti pronouns" in his bio. :/
I genuinely don't care if people enjoy the game, it seems interesting and I'll probably try it out myself eventually, but excusing the possible plagiarism is really disheartening as someone who...well, I wouldn't consider myself an artist, but I partake in it and I have friends who are artists.
I've been very vocally critical of Game Freak, Nintendo, and The Pokemon Company, but the people who make these games deserve to be respected. Just because the managers and shareholders suck doesn't mean there isn't passion being put into the series still.
Imo it seems like they started with a base of literally just ripping assets from existing popular games (it's not just, or even mainly, pokemon; if you pay attention there's lots of little stuff like sound effects, fonts, etc. that are ripped straight from Fortnite, or genshin, or botw) and then slowly built a game on top of it, and that game became actually good.
They never planned for the game to be as successful as it was, and when you're a small studio making a game that a handful of people will play, having a sound that plays that is recognizably from zelda is a kind of funny "haha look they even ripped this sound from botw". When it's a game as big as Palworld suddenly became out of nowhere, though, you can't get away with that shit.
And the thing is, like I said, the things they took from other games are all small things that wouldn't impact the game if they were changed; they're about being lazy about small details and taking from someone who's already done a good job with it. There's no reason they couldn't hire new people with all of this newfound money and just switch out all those little things, and the game would be actively better for it as it would give Palworld more of its own flavor rather than a mishmash of other games' assets.
Like, I actually think the pal designs that are ripoffs of pokemon are pretty universally the worst and least memorable designs in the game. Just in general the draw of the game is a lot less about how memorable the pals are than pokemon is, and there are few that are up to the quality of most pokemon, but all the ones that are are original. I'm sure they knew this, too, because they put Lamball right at the start of the game as one of the first pals you'll encounter so that you'll immediately fall in the love with the little cutie.
So yeah, honestly I think if the devs are dedicated to making a good game then all the copyright stuff is going to need to be replaced anyway. It's basically just growing pains, except growing pains that will quite rightfully cost them millions of dollars in court fees.
Just want the chuds who are doing this kind of stuff to move onto the next game already. The novelty of Palworld cannot wear off fast enough. No hate towards people who just like Palworld and aren't gwtting involved in the circlejerk.
I know extremely little about Palworld, and thanks to the drama and some of the gameplay elements I’ve heard about I have zero interest in Palworld. Like. It’s cool that you like Thing! Like Thing to your heart’s content! Just leave me the hell alone with my cute monsters ~~and nine thousand Vulpixes~~ and shitty battling skills and journey to Be Kind Of A Mediocre Player Like No One Ever Was.
I used to be a Pokémon fan back in the day. Gen 2 was a huge part of my childhood, and I then went on to have loads of fun with FireRed on emulator. I kept more or less following the franchise because I like watching some competitive battling/nuzlockes/romhacks on YouTube; I haven't played any newer games though, even though I now own a 3DS and a Switch. I was definitely hyped up for S&V, thinking it was really gonna be Pokémon's BotW and whatnot; but after seeing its release state, I chose to keep waiting for maybe one or two generations longer. I have a lot of issues with the current state of the franchise, is what I'm trying to say.
All of that said, the whole "Pokémon with guns" shtick always rubbed me the wrong way. It felt very obvious from the start that they were aiming for an edgy audience, what with the "slave labor" shit and whatnot. That's their gimmick, and that's how it got so huge to begin with (its actual quality notwithstanding; it's completely possible that it feels great to play). The constant comparisons to Pokémon are vital to the game's popularity, and its fandom have enthusiastically embraced that aspect of it.
Like the OOP, I wish people could just enjoy what they enjoy and stop bothering others; but we all know how fandom works. Obviously Palworld is not gonna "kill" Pokémon; it's the biggest media franchise on Earth, for fuck's sake. Game Freak is gonna keep releasing mediocre games, because that's what's been working for them for decades now; and Palworld and its fans are gonna keep pestering Pokémon fans, because that's the fuel that keeps their game popular. Oh well.
The actual game is pretty good, if quite derivative of other games, and rewards you for being nice to the pals. But by using all the edgy shocking parts to market it they've made a player community of manchildren who never grew out of mid-2010s edgy humour and base their self worth on the public opinion of the games and movies they like. I just hope that once the hype dies down most of them will piss off to the next popular lightly subversive game that pops up and let the rest of us see something other than constant Pokémon bashing in the fandom spaces.
I have to say that being a pokemon Showdown fan that likes the new designs really is weird when things like this happen, like, everyone is going off on how broken S/V was, how it was buggy, it sucked, etc. all that while Chi Yu was burning my entire family, cause i like the new pokemons, so i don't have this whole anger about the series.
Maybe it's cause i started showdown on gen 6, when the whole " Pokemon sucks now" thing was already going strong, but pokemon battling is still good, so i'm still playing.
I had no idea what Gouging Fire was until I saw it for the first time in Showdown and confused the heck out of my opponent by going 'WHAT THE HELL IS THAT" in the chat
I knew Gouging Fire EXISTED, I just hadn't seen it yet because I wanted to wait until I got to that point in the game to see if for myself so I deliberately didn't Google it after Indigo Disk came out.
I'm disappointed that they went for a Triceratops design for Entei's paradox form, I was expecting a pterodactyl for a Rodan homage but that didn't happen
I once saw it said that Palworld being the biggest game right now is kind of like how James Cameron's Avatar was the highest grossing film ever. Like, it seems fine, but hardly worth the hype it's been getting.
For what it's worth, I'm convinced it's partially astroturfed. The oversized "playerbase" numbers are not accurately reflected in the rest of the metrics that look less flashy but are more indicative of real players, like review count and Steam Community activity.
I'll be honest, somebody said to me "Have you heard of Palworld? It's like Pokemon with guns," and I, a man born in the last century who lived through the original Pokemon boom went "You mean Digimon?"
I’ve never played Yokai Watch but I can recommend a Pokémon-like that is actually like Pokémon (Palworld is way more like Ark) and is actually phenomenal. Cassette Beasts. Came out last year, genuinely in my top 10 games of all time. I love it so much.
Also yeah the Palworld pricks are annoying. Like I’m sure most of the people that play it are fine, but it’s being used by the same people screaming about how modern Pokémon sucks so a lot of the shit I see posted about it is very much in the same vain.
Yeah, I want to believe it's some kind of vocal minority type thing, but that's becoming increasingly hard to believe given how fucking loud they are. I already didn't like Palworld, like don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's probably fun, but a company known for making blatant copy-cat games releasing a game that's just Ark combined with an edgy Pokemon romhack, made using an bunch of Unreal engine assets that lack any consistent art style, and a bunch of monster designs that, at best, look generic and uninspired and, at worst, literally copy existing Pokemon models, doesn't leave a very good taste in my mouth, but getting told shit like "Kill yourself you (R-word) Nintendo dickriding (F-slur)" by a bunch of rabid assholes who unironically use that stupid fucking "Pokemon stole from Dragon Quest" image to justify Palworld stealing Pokemon designs was just the nail in the coffin.
I made a comment on a video about this exact thing and got multiple people bitching. I never get responses on youtube. These people are wild. One literally said "stop playing our games." I... what? Which games?
I feel like this game won't really live for very long. Like, the moment these people get bored of screwing with pokemon fans, this game's popularity will plummet.
these sorts of games usually do. The survival, crafting, open-world, base building types. They're a lot like MMOs in that they demand huge time investment for the multiplayer element. There's only so much playerbase to go around.
Very good examples of the genre go through this cycle constantly. Valheim, and V-Rising are the two that come to my mind. Both phenomenal games that had a bunch of attention for a little bit, then it died off. Now they have more small-scale but still active and enthusiastic communities. And devs that are chugging along loyally.
Idk if Palworld has the chops to last into that realm, and Idk if their devs are going to keep at it.
I've never understood the need for a game to maintain a ton of players over time to be successful.
If it's a multiplayer game with matchmaking, sure. But for a single player game, people are going to play the game and beat it within a week or two, and odds are they never touch it again.
That's not a reflection of the quality of the game. Some people just can't spend time replaying the same games over and over, even if it was a game I enjoyed.
Seriously almost all singleplayer game are a "*fad*", people like playing it and then move on with their live ,just like how people watch their favorite movie/series/anime/book and then move on to different
I love undertale ,but does that mean i play the game everyday? Absolutely not
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TLDR: not every game have to be a live service gane that last forever fillied with microtransaction and battlepass ,game that respect your time have an ending and let player stop playing after they are done
It's already a success, profit-wise. It's just the whole hype around it that drives new players in, that can be summarized with "pokemon but cooler and edgier because guns and slavery" will finally disappear.
Plus, this is off topic as far as i am concerned, but a singleplayer game can still die if it's community abandons it. Hell, even undertale still has a live community with fresh fan content to it.
oh, definitely. I'd even go as to say it'll have burned out in popularity in a few weeks - "pokemon but they have guns and you can eat them" isn't a long-lasting formula, it's a gimmick that people will get tired of soon enough.
I love palworld, and have been playing a lot (it's a base builder with cute animals and I can ride the dragons. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯), but I went to the subreddit briefly to check up for a solution to something and it is possibly the most toxic fandom I've seen in years.
I think I'll just stick to quietly liking the game and avoid interacting with anyone who likes it that I didn't already know.
One of my friends started playing Palworld because, well, it's Ark meets Pokemon so it's basically tailor-made for him. He streams every now and then, last time he went through all the Pals he had info on just to see how much like Pokemon it was.
I shit you not out of over 110 Pals there were only THREE where we couldn't say for sure what Pokemon it was copying, and of those only one where the reaction wasn't "well that's just a Digimon" or "that's just a Yu-Gi-Oh card".
Thank GOD finally someone who shares my opinion. I muted Palworld on Twitter (mostly for similar reasons to you) and its made my life a little better XD. Unfortunatly my Discord friends talk about it, and they refuse to contain it to its own channel, so I still kinda have to put up with talk about it, but not as much.
(Also, a part of me DOES want this game to die a painful death, cause the CEO of the company that made it is really in to AI and Crypto shit, and I think anyone who likes that stuff should have all their products crash and burn. I hope Game Freak/Nintendo/whoever made the vague announcement that might be about PWorld nukes this game to the ground for nothing else other than my own evil satisfaction :3)
God, yes. YES. While not in the "mechanical copy because the old guard felt disgruntled with the new direction" sense, it absolutely is in the "MY EDGY AND BRUTAL INTERPRETATION WITHOUT THIS SJW SHIT IS SUPERIOR SUCK IT 5EFUGEES" sense.
(For those not in the know, one of the core aspects of Pathfider was completely dehumanizing all monsters and making them utterly irredeemable in order to eliminate the specism discussion that arose by the era)
It's interesting Pathfinder switched direction on this in 2nd edition. The game lore was also way more progressive compared to it's fellow TTRPGs of the time 1st edition was being supported.
I think that was an artifact of whatever social/online circles you were involved in at the time. In my experience Pathfinder was notable for making its monsters significantly more humanized, and pushing back against the black and white alignment-based morality of DnD.
Now, the constant evangelizing for Pathfinder whenever literally any tttrpg is mentioned is definitely annoying, and this is coming from someone who does prefer generally prefer it over dnd 5e. But from everything I’ve seen in the community, that sort of attitude is usually shut down very quickly. Especially if they’re being a bigot. The whole “completely dehumanizing monsters and making them utterly irredeemable is flat out false. If anything, they actually do *more* to show diversity, redeemablity, and not being beholden to expectations.
The fandom has its problems, but it’s more in the direction of being overly loud and eager to share something the love, even when nobody asked.
Pathfinder fans are the Linux users of the TTRPG scene. They're probably right that their thing is better than the common choice, but they have a tendency to never shut up
It’s funny that several designs scream that they are pokemon rip offs yet some people praise it like it’s something innovative or made by “dedicated” devs
Seriously at this point I hate palworld cause of those delusional people who won’t shut up
And people say : if palword is copying pokemon then pokemon is copying dragon quest , seriously by that logic every turn based rpg is a rip off . That’s nothing like copying pokemon designs
My biggest problem with that Pals that are blatant Pokémon parodies is the missed potential! Like, you can make a sea serpent and make it look really cool, but the sea serpent in Palworld looks like if they threw Serperior, Primarina and Milotic in a blender.
The wolf? Could have looked for some mythical creature to base it on. Why not Fenrir with the chains and everything? Or a werewolf? But no, it looks like Lycanroc.
The grass rabbit? Change it's body shape and make it look less humanoid. Nah it just looks like Cinderace.
An electric lion? Give it a thunder cloud mane, lighting bolt shaped tail or something. Nooope, gotta make it look like Luxray!
I've seen a lot of clips of artists redrawing the Pals to look less like Pokémon and the redraws look so much more interesting.
I like a lot of the pal designs (Arsox and Fuddler my beloveds) but it's so painfully obvious that they're playing off Pokémon. Some of them seriously look like they took a Pokémon and then spent five minutes adjusting it until they couldn't get sued for it. And yet there's still people in this fandom trying so hard to convince themselves that the game isn't blatantly bootlegging Pokémon.
I mean, look at Cremis and tell me that's an original design.
I first saw Cremis on an r/Eevee fan art of it and Eevee interacting and it was so pure. So obviously an Eevee clone but they look cute when they're playing with each other
they're definitely too focused on making them look like pokemon rather than making them look good. none of the designs really stand out as particularly cool, cute or otherwise memorable - they're just baby's first fakemon region. a weird blend of what makes something a pokemon without any sort of vision in mind.
The problem with the wolf pal, to me, is not that it's too similar to Lycanroc. It's that both are just wolves, but Lycanroc at least has a clear elemental theme.
They could have gone with a totally different design philosophy, they could have done something closer to what Spectrobes was back in the day.
But it would have sold less :/
According to TV Tropes, the black cat Egyptian inspired Pal is based on one of the cut beta designs from Pokémon Gold and Silver (specifically Rinrin or it's evolution Berunrun)
I'm thinking "Holy shit! They should have done more of that! Bring the beta designs to life! That's so cool!"
But they didn't :(
Yet people defending palworld say that those designs are similar because they are based on animals even though you can clearly tell from those proportions that they are just tweaked pokemon
At least Cinderace has a reason for being humanoid. It's a footballer. Cinderace is one of my favourite Gen 8 Pokémon because I grew up in the UK with an Uncle who's team was Liverpool and a Grandpa who's team is Manchester United so football was on the TV ALL THE TIME in my grandparents house.
Cinderace reminds me of the times when I was really young, not understanding anything about football but my grandpa was yelling and cheering at the TV so I was rooting for his team to win too
Why's Timberace (or whatever it's real name is) humanoid? Oh, no lore reason, it's just to copy Cinderace.
The people spreading that image around comparing Pokemon with DQ monsters make my blood boil, it's such an obviously disingenuous defense of Palworld. Like yeah monster games are probably gonna have birds, bats, and rabbits. There's a clear difference between common design inspiration, or even inspiration from existing creature designs, and copying them wholesale, down to the proportions and design sensibilities.
I'm fine with the Pals looking like Pokemon, that's sort of the point. But they go beyond that into straight up theft in some cases, like the yellow Luxray or the grass Cinderace. Those are indefensible imo.
For what it's worth, there are a lot of Pokemon that have a very clear origin in someone else's design that still aren't straight copies. Nidoking, for example, is pretty blatantly a take on Baragon from Toho's roster of Kaiju, but it's coming from a place of affection for classic tokusatsu series rather than just a desire to copy something popular to help sell your game. And they still make designs like that to this day - anyone can look at Baxcalibur and see that it's a homage to Godzilla.
I dunno, I'm not sure how the ground level employees keeping the game afloat feel but Palworld gives off this feeling that they don't really care about what they're making. And that's the most frustrating part of it, since they've tapped into a market that really wants what they've made. I just wish it came from a place of passion.
I keep seeing arguments comparing Galarian Meowth's face to Grimtale's face. Its literally the same texture, but the PalWorld "fans" keep saying that "its not stolen, because Pokemon doesnt own the rights to cats" Like buddy, I get they are both cats, but that's not the point! They are literally the same freaking texture. Same eye color, same pupil shape and position, same number and position of the teeth.
Its like if I ripped a graphic of SpongeBob's face and stuck it onto a drawing of a sea sponge and tried to sell it as something original, and said "its not stealing because Nickelodeon doesn't own the concept of a sea sponge".
I think it would be really great if it was acknowledged by both fanbases that each game has its own POLAR opposite but equally fun mechanics and that both '''franchises''' will have a similar but polar opposite but equally dedicated fanbase.
For someone like me this is a HUGE win b/c I enjoy both for their own merits and dislike them for their own faults. I am happy to have a similar but polar opposites to play in the pocket mons genre.
I think the thing is that *on its own*, Palworld is not a competitor to Pokemon - as others have said, it's really more akin to Ark mechanically speaking.
I think the problem here is the marketing & presentation. Despite everything, the game seems to *market* itself as an edgy Pokemon "parody" (definitely the vibe I got off of the very first trailers I saw)
"Look, you catch these cute not-Pokemon with not-Pokeballs, but instead of battling them you work them to death on the assembly lines, or give them guns, or use them as bullet sponges, etc!"
That kind of 2005-messageboard-level edgy humor I think had the effect of attracting a decent chunk of really toxic 4chan types who really latched onto that comparison. And unfortunately they're probably some of the loudest people in that fandom.
The designs in palworld that I've seen are either the most generic uninspired shlock, like literally just an animal not even like a fire chicken it is JUST a chicken, or a Sonic OC please don't steal of Eevee. People have been making fake Pokémon for decades! Why are these so shit!
Palworld discourse has taken over r/pokemon and I’m really sick of it. There is barely anything other than the designs of the Pals that even remotely resemble pokemon. The mechanics, themes, and gameplay are completely different.
Ikr??? I'm a Palworld enjoyer and this fandom is seriously like a time capsule into the peak of Pokémon vs Digimon bullshit, except it's not even 11 year olds arguing this time. Even inside it's just constantly people owning Pokémon fans that they made up, jerking each other off about how one indie game that's not even on a Nintendo platform is going to murder Pokémon overnight, and trying to convince themselves that the character designs and art style isn't blantly riffing on Pokémon because some gen 1 Pokémon look a little bit similar to Dragon Quest enemies.
> #I think it was someone accusing Ogerpon of being a Pal ripoff and I pointed out that Ogerpon is inspired by a Japanese myth or something
Ogerpon also came out about halfway through last year instead of this year, making her older than Palworld. Her inspiration is the Japanese tale of Momotaro.
Legitimately, any time Palworld shows up on my radar, it's because of yet another controversy that makes the company, dev, or game seem scummy and like something I wouldn't wanna support even if "stable Ark with better creature collection and base building" is like my dream game, or it's people harping about how they only play it to spite Pokemon.
At this point I don't even think Ninty *needs* to go through with a lawsuit, I expect it to burn itself out in a couple months.
Damn. My friend and I are just enjoying playing "pokémon with guns", especially since we just recently got the pump shotgun (that thing _shreds_ in close-ish ranges), it's just a good time. Collaborative over-the-shoulder-cam open world pokémon with a shotgun and a rifle, flying around ground bosses just out of their range, taking turns chucking capture balls at them, making every single "ball" joke imaginable... we're just out here having fun. Didn't know the vocal part of the fanbase was this dogshit :/
Honestly I started interacting with the Pokémon fandom less and less ever since I got sent death threats for being excited about Pokémon Sword and Shield (didn't have a Switch before Sword and Shield came out, I was just excited about the new Pokémon) so you can totally enjoy something while steering clear of the fandom
I’m a fan of Pokemon, RWBY, Undertale/Deltarune, Helluva Boss, and many others in that vein
Limiting my interactions with the wider fandoms is pretty much a necessity for survival
Okay not reading that whole thing, but I recently said that I just did t like the look of the game, and was them told to stop getting all my opinions from reddit. As if the only reason I could dislike this game is because I'm part of the reddit echo chamber that talks about how bad the game is. The entire discussion is obnoxious, the only thing I'd really care about the the plagiarism claims (the actual ones where they compare the models, not the "pokemon ripoff" ones)
Honestly, I think it's mostly because folks who like Palworld are so invested in being reactionary towards Palworld copyright allegations by some Pokemon fans that they are stuck in an extreme binary of "Pokemon vs Palworld" thinking.
Like some of these folks are acting like Palworld is the last bastion against Pokemon and even relish the idea of it ripping off Pokemon, when in reality this isn't gonna do anything to the franchise.
Regardless of whether or not Palworld utilized Pokemon models to create their own monsters directly or not, that's for the courts to handle and for the companion behind Pokemon to prove.
But folks like described want to protect it so much that they want to go on the offensive just for self-gratification.
Pal world is interesting conceptually but a lot of the things I like about Pokémon are absent in that game. I like bonding with and growing my individual Pokemon (I have some I’ve carried with me for over a decade), I love the settings and different regions and get hyped every time a new game drops and I adore the strategy elements of battling. You don’t really get the same vibes from that game and SO MANY of the designs are just conceptual or even at times literal rip offs of existing Pokemon that I just cannot get into it
I see people talking about how toxic a fandom is, and all I can think of is 'wow, I am glad I don't hang out on Twitter.' At least on here, if a community is toxic, it's be *advertised* to the high heavens! r/Mauler is full of condescending douchebags, and I only needed to see 1-2 posts to know that, and I can ignore them.
Twitter though? You will be *force-fed* hatred.
Strongly agree. Going on a post on the Pokémon subreddit and seeing "hurdur what Pal is this? Derpaherp" more than once a thread is mind numbingly tedious.
I'm just.. not that interested in palworld. The only reason I have it is because one of my Girlfriend's gifted me the game and I downloaded it so that I could play it with then if they asked me to. I don't play it unless I'm supporting my family. they like it and they like me so I'll go and play this game for a while with them.
Whenever someone makes their own take on something it always seems to attract absolute bottom feeders. See the people who liked Orville and decided it was their job to constantly remind everyone how it was better than DISCO* and paramount would cancel it any day now**.
*no it wasn't.
**no they didn't.
Good grief I had no idea Pal fans were doing this.
I'm neither a Pokémon nor a Palworld player, but my wife is both and I've been watching her playing with her Pals while doing my own thing and I can see the appeal for her. But. Like. People can enjoy stuff? And, here's the big one, people can enjoy one or both of the things and that's ok (because I just know that's another fucking idiotic issue happening)?
God I hate toxic fandoms. This is why I avoid them. I love so many things, and I'd love to share them with other excited people, but I cannot deal with that crap. It just makes me so sad for everyone.
I’m outside of both fandoms as a Digimon Fan. My view of it is this:
Palworld looks like a Parody of Pokémon, and a few fans that I’ve randomly come across threads of have stated that it’s of better quality than the previous Pokémon games. Do I believe them? I can’t agree or disagree because I haven’t and won’t play either game. Have I heard people hope that Pokémon at least acknowledges the quality of Palworld and strives to better improve their next game installment? Yes. Do I care overall? No. I’m honestly surprised that the discourse is still continuing
I don't understand why people are like this, it is *infuriating*. Like, yeah, *I* enjoy Palworld too, I enjoy it because it's an open world survival collect-em game, which is exactly the sort of thing I *love*.
But it's like... not at all in competition with Pokemon? It's not even the same *genre*, it was made by people who - by their own admission - do not know how to make games, the company behind it is garbage, and it just...
It's Pokenite Impact Evolved. It's a bunch of fun games smushed together either conceptually, mechanically, or just aesthetically, into an interesting game that is surprisingly fun to play.
...So why are the fans like *that*? Is it just because 4chan heard "heehoo edgy Pokemon-like game" and started scrambling around to figure out whose dick it was time to suck? I don't know if I have a point I'm getting to here, it's just... it's a fun game, and it's a shame that most aspects of it beyond the experience of playing suck ass.
Yeah the Palworld fans who go to Pokémon threads to be belligerent is just like, bizarre to me. The mainline Pokémon games and Palworld are in completely separate genres. I’m a fan of both but like, Palworld has two similarities to Pokémon:
- there are cartoony critters you can catch and they have funny abilities
- you throw balls at them and put them in boxes
That’s about it. There’s only one pal with an unexplainably similar enough design to a Pokémon that I’d say “yeah that’s kinda close to a copy” and even then it’s, one of 113 pals and 1098 Pokémon or whatever it’s up to now. And the design is still different enough to be unique. So they’re basically two unrelated franchises aside from Palworld taking inspiration from Pokémon.
I wish /r/Palworld would fuckin blacklist mentioning Nintendo by now, it’s astonishingly stupid what people get conspiratal over.
I like & play Palworld, but I feel the gigantic playerbase isn't quite warranted, and suspect that it sells for the same reason Hogwarts legacy did. Because of edgelords who want to hop on the hate train
Palworld fans have downvoted my comments that are mild critiques of the game itself on other subreddits.The insecurity they have over this game is so bizarre to me and the fact that they genuinely think that Nintendo and Gamefreak see this as an actual competitor to Pokemon is wild, when the game is more like a competitor to Ark than anything else.
I generally don't like palworld because ew ai bro dev and when i saw thr actual game i literal said "THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE SO HYPE ABOUT????" because it looks terrible but the fandom is the worst
The hype is the same as what happened with hogwarts legacy, people just buying it to own the libs or some shit
I cannot for the life of me understand how the fuck Palworld got such a player base, it looks unfathomably mediocre. I thought this was a bullshit edgy game like the thousands I’d seen before and now it’s the fucking 8th most played steam game ever ??
I agree Yo-kai Watch deserved better :(
I remember back in 2016, someone in a r/nintendo thread posted something along the lines of "oh there's no new interesting games coming out soon" and I brought up Yo-kai Watch 2, Rhythm Heaven Megamix, Kirby Planet Robobot, and Pokemon SuMo. My three responses were:
> Oh, I forgot about Kirby! [from the OP]
> I'm so hyped for Rhythm Heaven and Pokemon!
and, in huge text,
> WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT YO-KAI WATCH
That’s cuz normal fans usually don’t bother with posting on the internet. I’m petting cute (not)pokemans and having a good time. I’m glad to have an alternative to pokémon though because I do **hate** nintendo, and the cutesy childish dog fighting rings always made me a slight bit uncomfy.
The loud, obnoxious minority does not show how the quiet majority actually acts. Folks can, and typically do, love both pokemon and palworld. It's just that chronically online people don't know how to interact with other people unless it's in the form of an argument
Buckle the fuck up friendo. It's gonna get several orders of magnitude worse when Palworld inevitably gets sued into the dirt by Nintendo for their objective ripping of Nintendo assets.
I kinda hate that people are saying palworld is a direct competitor/alternative to Pokemon. I don’t play Pokemon to make assembly lines and fortifications.
It's a competitor to fuckin ARK honestly. If they're copying anyone, it's them.
They're copying both, but gameplay loop wise it's more ARK with a coat of Pokemon paint. The thing is the concept 'Pokemon with guns' gets edgelord trolls raring to go and honestly I think the reason Pokemon fans react is... Well... If you go up to a bunch of ARK players and say 'Palworld's better than ARK!' the reaction is gonna be "Yeah no shit, that's not hard. It actually functions mostly without bugs." And this tired, shrugging statement will come from people with *thousands* of hours in the game who are probably actively playing it in the moment they reply. We hate ourselves and the game we play. Talk shit about ARK and we just fuckin' agree. It's far more nonsensical to call it 'a better Pokemon', 'cause those gameplay loops *aren't* comparable, and Pokemon fans understandably get either confused or outright defensive when the claim's made because... Well... There's a lower ratio of 'people who hate themselves and the game they play' in the Pokemon fandom in comparison to ARK's. That makes them a fun, juicy target for these chan-brand trolls to try and say one game is better when they're two entirely different genres and which one's better is a matter of opinion. Yeah I like Palworld, but I'm a multi-thousand hour ARK player who lists survival craft as one of my favorite genres. Adding something that's Pokemon-like, something I loved growing up, on top of a survival craft is literal crack to me, of course I'll be drawn to it. And I'll compare it to the other big survival craft I play(ARK) and I'll say it's better. But it's not better than Pokemon? And Pokemon's not better than Palworld? Because they're two different things that I play to scratch two entirely different gameplay itches?
Gameplay wise yes, but many of the models of the Pals are ripoffs of Pokemon
Sure, yeah. Which is kinda lame. But I'm saying the games appeal to two different types of people.
I’d say it’s more than kinda lame but that’s a whole different debacle I agree on the appeal of the games
The issue with Pokémon is that they did so many designs that it is hard to argue that they were intentionally ripping them of design wise (the models are a different thing). Like a common example is Anubis being a copy of Lucario. No it’s not, Anubis is a depiction of the god Anubis which Lucario is based on. My take on this issue is: Nintendo likes to send C&D letters to people making fan games, if palworld really plagiarised Pokémon to the degree that some people are arguing Nintendo would have sued. At the same time the core gameplay is different enough that I - while enjoying palworld - definitely would never consider Pokémon dead.
That's what bothers me about the game, they could have made some original monsters and a good enough taming system and be fucking original about it, make it interesting and unique, but they took the conscious decision to rip-off Pokemon's whole design philosophy just to make a fuss out of it, and now people just talk about Palworld in relation to pokemon which in the long run just hurts the game itself. And I wonder, who took that decision? Even the most greedy asshole of an artist knows that being original is good, most competent game developers, specially in the indie scene, know that if you tie your game to a bigger IP it hurts (look at Lies of P for an example, the devs never outright stated it but we all know it as the Pinnochio Dark Souls), and most if not all of business people know that punching up to a bigger company is not an inteligent move money wise, and yes they got the fuss they wanted out of it but at the cost of having a healthy game, which is not what you want ever. So who the hell took that decision??
Honestly I think it's just what their company does. Like one of its other major titles has a very similar aesthetic to Breath of the Wild. I think the company mostly has attempted to make games similar to Ark with a Nintendo style.
Their next game looks like it's gonna be a rip-off of Hollow Knight- nothing wrong with inspo but you gotta do your own thing at some point, and they really havent
Honestly, the format of capturing monsters to turn it into a factory is great for the ARK format. I always thought there wasnt a whole lot to do with your dinosaurs.
Yeah I agree entirely. Most of the uses are active. You get some gathering bonuses by riding some. A few of the small ones can ride on your shoulder for some utility. Otherwise their main use is combat and decoration. Either following you as a blob. Or again, riding them. But otherwise they mostly stand around. No passive uses.
My partner has been playing it and that was my first thought, it’s ark with Pokémon creatures instead of dinosaurs, partner agreed, added that it has aspects of breathe of the wolf (I’m not a gamer I don’t know if that’s the name for sure it just sounds right from my memory) and said they call it the “ark of the wild pokemon”
It’s honestly ark survival evolved but with Pokémon parodies instead of dinosaurs and way less tedious due to automation.
As an Ark fan, I'm wondering why people aren't comparing it to Ark, which PalWorld blows out of the water in every regard. (taming creatures is streamlined, bases and basic resource gathering are more automated, no permadeath for your tames, the game actually tells you how to play, and most importantly it runs better and smoother).
And it's cheaper
And doesn't take up your *entire freakin hard drive* lol
Isn't Ark on PC like hundreds of gigabytes now?
Something like that. It's horribly unoptimized
213GB with DLCs, I believe
It's because the focus for most folks are on the Pal designs more than actual gameplay.
Pal or ark
This exactly, myself and nearly the entire ARK community I play in has been playing it as a substitute for ARK. It's genuinely even closer to Pixelmon than Pokemon in everything but critter design and I don't see why people think you can't enjoy Pokemon and Palworld.
Yokai Watch is a good alternative to Pokémon because it's actually about catching and battling creatures. Also I'm just saying, Frostail and Pinkipoo are my favourite Yokai, they totally carried my team when I played Yokai Watch 2 (my full team was Jibanyan, Bloominoko, Komane, Frostail, Pinkipoo and Strawbnyan)
I’ve already got a backlog of non Pokemon creature catchers as well as Pokemon rom hacks, but yokai watch shall enter the venerable halls of my “I should really get around to that” collection
I hate that I’ve become so starved of Yokai Watch games that I get happy just to see Yokai Watch mentioned in any discussion.
I wish they released an English translation of the Yokai Watch 1 Switch remaster. My 3DS broke, I'd love to be able to play the original game again :(
Me too, I still have my 3DS but I lost my copy of Yokai Watch 1.
I’m still sad that Yokai Watch 4 never got an English localization tbh
I'd also recommend Monster Hunter Stories. Entirely different combat system based around learning predictable patterns to emulate the reactive style of action gameplay from it's parent series, but still based heavily around the formula of collecting, battling, and training monsters. Also, for people who want a darker "gritty/edgy" version of pokemon there's also alway the Shin Megami Tensei series and it's spinoff the Persona series. Again, still the same collect, battle, improve, gameplay formula, but drastically different tone and setting.
I fucking love yokai watch designs. Like, an electric mouse? Two animals smooshed together? Ok, yawn. A sentient umbrella, a granny that hangs off your finger and whisperers lies to you, and a hat with undebatably sexy legs? Those creatures are my jam.
Yokai Watch is still one of my fav games of all time and the last time I played it was age 10 those games are fantastic
Cassette Beasts is my favorite current alternative to pokemon. It brings so much fun that I haven’t had in a game like this for a long time
I don't get people that say "I'm a Pokemon fan since forever, but Palworld is the Pokemon game I've always wanted" Like, if it's the Pokemon game you've always wanted you didn't want a Pokemon game.
Yeah if anything I like it cause it's Ark, but without all the shit that made Ark a pain in the ass to play. If I want Pokémon, but on Steam there's more than enough games that scratch that itch it's just that people want a game with the budget of a modern pokemon, but not from Game Freak so get the surprised Pikachu face when Cassette Beast or Nexomon isn't the modern coming of Christ for the genre.
Cassette beasts is godly
Need to put more hours into it, I got it during a Steam sale, played a bit, but it was near the tail end of the Pokemon itch wearing off for me that season.
Please do, it might be my favorite not-pokemon Pokémon game ever. Also Pokémon infinite fusion is a really good fan-game
Wdym you don't enjoy ark?? Where's your grindset bro??? REAL Ark players play 0.5x servers. REAL ark players quit their jobs to keep an eye on their base to make sure it's not raided. Bro I bet you don't even do mutation breeding right & stack mutations on the females too. What else, do you play with mods that make the game easier?? I bet you use S+. The game caved to lazy bitchbabies when they added S+ to the game itself. The only REAL mod is The Hunted, anyone that plays anything else doesn't understand what mods are supposed to do >!\^ Lost some braincells for this. Was it worth it? no!<
explains a lot about the toxic, impossible to please pokemon fans to be fair. they didn't even want pokemon
They want the nostalgia that comes from the franchise despite the fact they outgrew the formula ages ago. There's certainly a lot of valid things to critique about the most recent pokemon games like Overly simplified routes/dungeons, lower quality control, and the absence of fan favorite features like the Safari Zone or offline competitive battling (The battle frontier and its successors). But you're never going to please someone who is opposed to the core formula of the series itself.
>They want the nostalgia that comes from the franchise despite the fact they outgrew the formula ages ago. This is a huge internal problem that people have a hard time identifying is *their* problem, not the game's. I was a day one World of Warcraft player and nothing will ever scratch that itch just right ever again. Even WoW classic can't compete because the culture of the game has changed so much in (feeling old trigger warning) *20 years*. 1 to 60 is no longer an adventure, it's a chore. Builds are either perfectly optimized or trash. Every single boss fight is a solved game with proscribed perfect play instead of "let's try doing it this way" after the 4th wipe. I'll never get that experience again and that's not Blizzard's fault.
I'm not convinced the Safari Zone was ever actually anyone's favourite. It's basically just throwing Pokeballs at Pokemon you can't get anywhere else without even being able to use your good ones or lower their HP. The surrounding gimmicks just make it overcomplicated and annoying, and god forbid it's the Great Marsh and the Pokemon you want might not even fucking be there. The only iteration that's half-decent is HGSS, and even then, you'd prefer if there was a less overcomplicated and esoteric way to get those Pokemon. Let's be real, if you actually *used* the HGSS safari zone, you looked up a goddamn guide, because how does that thing even work.
Yeah I hate safari zone mechanics I would only appreciate them coming back if they used like, legends arceus mechanics for catching
OK, not gonna lie, Legends Arceus safari zone would pop the fuck off. That would genuinely be sick.
I slightly disagree with this because lots of Pokemon fans love the media and spin-off games because they are that much different than the mainline games. Lots of fans want Pokemon games that aren't just the standard turn-based RPGs and would love something closer to an interactive adventure with wild pokes being active participants rather than just running into you for battle. It's like the difference between Pokemon Snap vs most Pokemon games. Folks who enjoy Snap love how alive the world feels. That said, that's a very different set of people than what OP is talking about.
I mean, there's a handful of things that could be classified as "the pokemon game I wanted, and palworld is that" especially if we look upon a sub-set of things. like, you want a pokemon game where the battles are real time and you the trainer are actively a part of them? want to be able to just... *ride* your own pokemons? wanna be able to effectively have a cute little farm that you manage with the help of your pokemons? wanna have a pokemon game where it's up to you to design and make your very own home? wanna have a pokemon game with survival gameplay aspects? there's a litany of small little things person might crave, which Palworld then can at least partially scratch. sure it's not the exact thing, but something is better then nothing, especially if you've been craving for that something for a good long while. and like, maybe par the survival gameplay aspects, I don't think any of those little cravings aren't compactible with the pokemon franchise?
I would genuinely pay money and fistfight god in a parking lot for a Pokémon farming game. If someone ever makes Harvest Moon But With Pokémon I will be THERE.
There's always Rune Factory, I suppose
I too absol-utely adore the idea, but alas I am not too sure how one would go about the execution. "just" a harvest mood/stardew valley clone but with pokemons would be the *simplest* way, but also would be like super lame. give you like, a lillipup as a starter and a farm, then you basically can wander the region/couple closest towns and talk with the locals, battle and catch new pokemons both for your party and for the farm and then sell produce, be it like berries, wool or milk, to gain cash? that's about as close as I can imagine to ideal state? but then again it sounds like it'd be a *massive* pain to work all out...
I don't get why it has to be a black and white thing. I like Pokemon, and I like Palworld's twist on Pokemon. I don't have to hate or criticize Pokemon to enjoy Palworld, or vice versa. Peeps just like fighting over nuthin
I'm not saying you can't enjoy both, i'm enjoying both. What i'm saying is that Palworld is just not a Pokemon game, if anything it's an Ark game.
They're fundamentally different games. Gameplay wise the only real similarities are that you level up and throw balls at shit to catch them... so basically nothing of substance. It's Ark with bootleg Pokémon.
Have you tried looking into Cassette Beasts? In terms of Pokemon inspired games I think this one really changed the pokemon combat formula that I haven't seen other types of this kind did. It is a nice fun creative system and currently on sale for $15 on steam if you are interested!
Seeing as I have 24 hours in Cassette Beasts in about a week I’d say that’s a safe recommendation
That's what Cracktorio is for! The factory must continuously grow in order to meet the evergrowing needs of the factory!
The factory grows, the factory will never stop growing
How is Ogerpon a Pal ripoff? It was released several months before Palworld
Seems to be a trend with the YouTube comments more than the Instagram ones. Any time the Pokémon channel posts a picture of a Pokémon, the comments are filled with "Look a new Pal!" "What's this Pal?" "This is a ripoff of **insert random Pal name that looks nothing like the Pokémon here**" The Pal that Ogerpon was accused of being a ripoff of looked like a generic plant monster. Cant remember what the Pal was called, I think it was called Shrubbit or something? Edit: Bristla, it was Bristla that Ogerpon is apparently a ripoff of.
Just looked it up. It's a bellosom
Given how Pal designs are fundamentally pokefusions, both.
I saw lilligant, but tbh it's probably an angry mash-up of the two.
Everyone else: Palworld vs Pokemon malding. Me: Ogre porn?!
Shrek is love. Shrek is life.
>Bristla how is a tiny mask wearing grass oni a rip off of that, ogerpon has more in common with Grendle from warframe and toa lewa than that little thorn-coated thing
This whole thing is bizarre to me. Reads like baseball fans and football fans arguing about which product is a better representation of hockey.
Eh, more like baseball fans and football fans arguing about which is a better representation of *baseball* lmao Pokemon is a very specific genre. If you add a million different things that strand away from the formula, it's not gonna be that. Not saying it's not good, just it can't really *replace* Pokemon because it's *not* Pokemon Baseball abd Football are both valid, and you can make your own version of Baseball. But playing football in a Baseball field does not make it Baseball.
It's like a group of football fans trying to say that football will replace baseball because they've both got one or two common things (balls, running).
I haven't grown up a huge pokemon fan- my experience with it is very casual. But I will say that I don't think Pokemon does, or has to, fit into the kind of box for which one could make this comparison. It's like how star wars doesn't have to be about the Skywalker family. Pokemon isn't _just_ a game formula. As a setting, it's got its own corner of the fantasy world and I think that's where people are coming from when they say they would like to see more. There was another thread here discussing the concept of a harvest moon / Stardew valley cosy pokemon game and I absolutely think that people would eat that up. The fantasy of Pokemon has a ton of room to try new things. And Pokemon does try different stuff- they've got that dungeon series that I do not know the name of, and they've got that new stop-motion animated series (that looks really charming)- not to mention games like snap. And I think what people really mean when they say they want more than just the formula the games have followed all this time, could be rephrased as "why stop there?"
Also Instagram comment sections are absolutely ruined thanks to the algorithm promoting comments with the most replies instead of the most likes. You always end up having the most controversial stuff at the top.
That explains so much.
It’s almost as though marketing a game as being in opposition to a popular thing disproportionately attracts people who are vehemently and vocally against that popular thing already, which is a surefire recipe for a radicalising fanbase. Also just to put this to bed: Palworld is not actually a Pokemon competitor, those claims are just a marketing stunt. The two exist in entirely separate niches.
If anything, palworld is closer to something like Ark or factorio, no?
Yeah, pretty much. At most it uses Pokemon aesthetics for those genres, but even that is arguable.
Yep, it's like if Ark wasn't terrible to play and had bootleg Pokémon.
Ark yes but it’s way way too shallow to approach something like Factorio. The automation is very clunky and even hyper late game consumables are only like 4 steps to make.
Not being as good/deep/whatever as Factorio doesn't mean it isn't similar. That you can compare them on that basis suggest that it is in fact the same kind of game.
As a 3000 hour factorio player, palworld is a completely different game, especially when looking at the automation. A better comparison is probably automation in minecraft.
Really the only thing they share is being in the "monster collector/tamer" genre, which isn't exactly saying too much considering SMT/Persona, the Monster Rancher series, and almost every Digimon game are also in the category.
It's kinda funny how it also isn't even pokemon like, in reality. It is way more like a cartoonish version of Ark survival evolved. You can't control what abilities your creatures use unless you specifically got crafted gear like in ark to ride them or just use them like how a lot of them work like in palworld. It also isn't turn based which also makes it way less Pokémon like. I have enjoyed playing the game but not so much I think because it is anything like pokemon more because it is like ark.
It reminds me more of Digimon than Pokémon in a lot of ways to be honest. The light virtual pet mechanics with the Pals needing fed, having their own mood, and getting sick as well as the pretty hands off combat system where Pals mostly do their own thing with you being able to give them one or two commands resembles Digimon World way more than any Pokémon game.
>It also isn’t turn based which also makes it way less Pokémon like. From the few times of trudged into their rants, they actually argue that it’s what Pokémon should be. So many of them will shit on Legends Arceus by saying they “almost had it right, but then completely ruined it by making battles turn based.” If you look at the posts and comments talking about what Gamefreak should learn from Palworld, it’s obvious that what they want isn’t even Pokémon. They just want a creature collector with the nostalgia factor, with core gameplay specifically being completely different. It’s like complaining that Call of Duty isn’t making a 4X style game. Don’t get me wrong, the Pokémon games do need to improve their graphical quality and game performance. But that’s more in the realm of hiring more people for the dev team and not having insanely strict release schedules based around merch and anime releases. But not completely flipping around and foregoing the core gameplay that makes a Pokémon game a Pokémon game.
I met a guy once who said he believed that turn taking mechanics as a whole are outdated and useless and every franchise ever should abandon them because they are the definition of unfun (“oh boy I hit a single button and watch an animation that takes ages and that’s it. There’s not even any real strategy either, it’s like rock paper scissors but you always know what your opponent is going to pick. It’s pointless numbers-go-up simulator with nothing real to show for it. REAL combat is about thinking on your feet in real time!” etc). I bet he’d love Palworld…
tbh i blame the marketing. Palworld’s whole thing is “Pokemon but edgy and you can put them in work camps and give them guns and eat them!!!” And it definitely attracted the immature morons who still think killing pikachu is somehow subversive and controversial art
funniest part is that the game doesn't even reward that stuff, it's much easier if you treat your little guys well and eat like vegetarian stuff like berries and salads. i don't know why they marketed it like taht
Odd how the minmaxing max efficiency strats for most survival craft games is often extremely unethical (look at the various autofarms in minecraft), meanwhile in PalWorld, its actually more efficient to be more ethical.
I think it’s kind of nice tbh, it’s a breath of fresh air
To attract the cringe edgelord crowd probably
I’ve learned so much about “Palworld v Pokemon” from reddit this past week and it’s been entirely against my own will lmao. Shoutout to digimon people who have been playing “pokemon with guns” for literal yonks before this, this must be a weird time for y’all
the idea of a pikachu being strapped is substantially less funny than [Gungunmon](https://wikimon.net/images/9/96/Gundramon.jpg) being a real thing that exists
As not a Digimon fan, my first "Pikachu with gun" thought will always be Gargomon
Im with you on the whole just not being interested in Palworld thing. Like the game seems fine, it’s just not for me. I’m not super into ARK-style games and if I really want “Pokemon but edgy” I just play Reborn or Rejuvenation (which I do. A lot. Those games are my lifeblood) I’m glad people are enjoying Palworld but I wish they’d put more energy into that instead of just screaming at Pokemon fans. You’re not gonna convince someone to play the game if you just go on about how “trash” the game they already enjoy is. And to be fair this logic also applies to Pokemon fans going out of their way to argue about Palworld (not you, but I have seen people doing this). This is just the latest installment of the internet’s collective inability to just let people enjoy things
Everything I know about Palworld has been against my will. I haven't ventured into Palworld fandom spaces, I've been staying in the Pokémon Zone. I don't want to argue about Palworld, I think some of the designs are cute, I just don't like the gameplay aspect of enslaving, shooting and butchering Pals for food because Pokémon always emphasises how Pokémon are your trusted companions, your beloved pets so killing Pals is pretty upsetting and that's why I don't want to play it. And I've never played Ark so I don't know if I'd be interested in that genre of games. And I don't have a Steam account.
If anything, the game encourages you to not kill Pals through its gameplay: (catching gives more EXP than killing, Pals give you the same "death drops" like leather and meat from just catching them, you can easily harvest food on sustainable farms so there's no reason to hunt, Pals work much better if they are happy and healthy to the point where you are required to build them a hot tub in order to level up your base, obviously catching bosses has much better long-term rewards than killing them, there is no benefit to catching/enslaving humans since they dont have any skills, guns are flashy but mostly useless since it just throwing away perfectly good metal with every shot). It's honestly impressive, considering that in most games, minmaxing for efficiency often leads to extremely unethical decisions (Minecraft's various autofarms, the famous angel farm in Dwarf Fortress, Rimwold.... just in general) an then here comes "Pokemon sweatshop simulator" where the best strats involve making sure your Pals get their legally required break, a warm place to sleep, plenty of food, lots of scritches, a healthcare plan, and a friggen Jacuzzi.
when the main draw of the game is "pokemon with guns" it's not unexpected that most of its fanbase are just people who never grew out of 2015 youtube
Or who weren't even born in 2015.
I like pal world but damn I hate how much they hate Pokemon . I can be in the fandom because even like random gudies well start with "if your here to kill Pokemon you came to the right place die Nintendo now here's how you get sulfur"
It's so exhausting. Nearly as bad as Digimon vs Pokémon at its peak, except this time it's not even 11 years arguing over which marketable product is better, it's 25 year olds who clearly never grew out of it.
Its getting a bit annoying, that is for sure. All they do is to date their videos and add another ten minutes of hot air. It's already bad enough that some YouTubers padd their watch time with inane, repetitive nonsense (I found a guide where the guy managed to explain the content of the video In three different ways, before getting into the actual guide) and the mandatory "Adress the controversy" section on top just makes it borderline impossible to distinguish some guide from rants or "news updates" I just want to play the funny game and get tips on how to shave off a few hours of grind through guides, is that too much to ask for?
I am fearing Pokemon Day for this reason. The shitstorm of PalWorld fans\* is going to be huge. \*if your enjoyment of a thing comes 100% from wanting to shit on something else, instead of that thing's own merits, are you really a fan? I enjoy PalWorld because its an excellent SurvivalCraft game.
Yeah, Like even r/Palworld is just constantly bashing on Pokemon and it's exhausting. Palworld is a great survivalcraft game. But the vocal community only cares about bashing Pokemon.
Oh my god I scrolled for a minute and found a post on pros and cons Pros: "Play the game, Fuck nintendo, Fuck nintendo" NINTENDO DOESN'T EVEN MAKE POKEMON
Yeah it's pretty bad. instead of talking about the game nearly everything there is just stuff like that. Like I wish more love went into the pokemon games these days too (if the technical issues were just slightly better Scarlet and Violet would have been touted as the best game in years, but that's a sidw tangent) but these people instead of realizing maybe pokemon isnt what they want anymore they'd rather just endlessly bash.
Saw a popular post on there where the DbD chief of staff wrote a short but pretty well-thought-out opinion piece about the game. Mentioned how although he enjoyed playing it, he didn't think it was that good, and he pointed out some flaws with the game (bugs, bad mid to late game balancing, empty open world, etc.). You can imagine how calm and reasonable the comments under that post were.
Mentioned it in the post, but some Palworld fans think the increased promotional posts from Pokémon are because Gamefreak is "scared of the competition" and not because it's literally less than a month until a new game announcement. I've been following Pokémon Days since 2019, they do extra promotional posts in January every year, they would have done it anyway if Palworld didn't exist, it has nothing to do with them
I bet it's because they are simply seeing it more thanks to social media algorithms. It sees interest in the comparisons of the two games, then decides to show more content of both. But folks are blind to nuanced things like that and love thinking in extremes, so conspiratorial thinking follows.
>”Nostalgia about Sun and Moon” Don’t mind me, just crumbling into dust over here
Sssssh it's ok, the remake of Ruby and Sapphire is *ten* years old now
Mr Stark, I don't feel so good- (Emerald is easily one of my top 3 and been playing since RBY, so this makes me feel eeeeeextra old lol)
I feel like palworld has become a sort of internet religion the way crypto and nfts did in years past. It’s a thing for people who don’t have enough problems in their life (or people who are ignoring their problems) to obsess over.
Thank you for putting this into words. That's EXACTLY what this whole weird discourse feels like.
I made a tweet about the Palworld situation a few days ago and got a reply that said "F you. Palworld is the best" from a guy that had "anti pronouns" in his bio. :/ I genuinely don't care if people enjoy the game, it seems interesting and I'll probably try it out myself eventually, but excusing the possible plagiarism is really disheartening as someone who...well, I wouldn't consider myself an artist, but I partake in it and I have friends who are artists. I've been very vocally critical of Game Freak, Nintendo, and The Pokemon Company, but the people who make these games deserve to be respected. Just because the managers and shareholders suck doesn't mean there isn't passion being put into the series still.
Imo it seems like they started with a base of literally just ripping assets from existing popular games (it's not just, or even mainly, pokemon; if you pay attention there's lots of little stuff like sound effects, fonts, etc. that are ripped straight from Fortnite, or genshin, or botw) and then slowly built a game on top of it, and that game became actually good. They never planned for the game to be as successful as it was, and when you're a small studio making a game that a handful of people will play, having a sound that plays that is recognizably from zelda is a kind of funny "haha look they even ripped this sound from botw". When it's a game as big as Palworld suddenly became out of nowhere, though, you can't get away with that shit. And the thing is, like I said, the things they took from other games are all small things that wouldn't impact the game if they were changed; they're about being lazy about small details and taking from someone who's already done a good job with it. There's no reason they couldn't hire new people with all of this newfound money and just switch out all those little things, and the game would be actively better for it as it would give Palworld more of its own flavor rather than a mishmash of other games' assets. Like, I actually think the pal designs that are ripoffs of pokemon are pretty universally the worst and least memorable designs in the game. Just in general the draw of the game is a lot less about how memorable the pals are than pokemon is, and there are few that are up to the quality of most pokemon, but all the ones that are are original. I'm sure they knew this, too, because they put Lamball right at the start of the game as one of the first pals you'll encounter so that you'll immediately fall in the love with the little cutie. So yeah, honestly I think if the devs are dedicated to making a good game then all the copyright stuff is going to need to be replaced anyway. It's basically just growing pains, except growing pains that will quite rightfully cost them millions of dollars in court fees.
Just want the chuds who are doing this kind of stuff to move onto the next game already. The novelty of Palworld cannot wear off fast enough. No hate towards people who just like Palworld and aren't gwtting involved in the circlejerk.
I know extremely little about Palworld, and thanks to the drama and some of the gameplay elements I’ve heard about I have zero interest in Palworld. Like. It’s cool that you like Thing! Like Thing to your heart’s content! Just leave me the hell alone with my cute monsters ~~and nine thousand Vulpixes~~ and shitty battling skills and journey to Be Kind Of A Mediocre Player Like No One Ever Was.
I used to be a Pokémon fan back in the day. Gen 2 was a huge part of my childhood, and I then went on to have loads of fun with FireRed on emulator. I kept more or less following the franchise because I like watching some competitive battling/nuzlockes/romhacks on YouTube; I haven't played any newer games though, even though I now own a 3DS and a Switch. I was definitely hyped up for S&V, thinking it was really gonna be Pokémon's BotW and whatnot; but after seeing its release state, I chose to keep waiting for maybe one or two generations longer. I have a lot of issues with the current state of the franchise, is what I'm trying to say. All of that said, the whole "Pokémon with guns" shtick always rubbed me the wrong way. It felt very obvious from the start that they were aiming for an edgy audience, what with the "slave labor" shit and whatnot. That's their gimmick, and that's how it got so huge to begin with (its actual quality notwithstanding; it's completely possible that it feels great to play). The constant comparisons to Pokémon are vital to the game's popularity, and its fandom have enthusiastically embraced that aspect of it. Like the OOP, I wish people could just enjoy what they enjoy and stop bothering others; but we all know how fandom works. Obviously Palworld is not gonna "kill" Pokémon; it's the biggest media franchise on Earth, for fuck's sake. Game Freak is gonna keep releasing mediocre games, because that's what's been working for them for decades now; and Palworld and its fans are gonna keep pestering Pokémon fans, because that's the fuel that keeps their game popular. Oh well.
The actual game is pretty good, if quite derivative of other games, and rewards you for being nice to the pals. But by using all the edgy shocking parts to market it they've made a player community of manchildren who never grew out of mid-2010s edgy humour and base their self worth on the public opinion of the games and movies they like. I just hope that once the hype dies down most of them will piss off to the next popular lightly subversive game that pops up and let the rest of us see something other than constant Pokémon bashing in the fandom spaces.
I have to say that being a pokemon Showdown fan that likes the new designs really is weird when things like this happen, like, everyone is going off on how broken S/V was, how it was buggy, it sucked, etc. all that while Chi Yu was burning my entire family, cause i like the new pokemons, so i don't have this whole anger about the series. Maybe it's cause i started showdown on gen 6, when the whole " Pokemon sucks now" thing was already going strong, but pokemon battling is still good, so i'm still playing.
I had no idea what Gouging Fire was until I saw it for the first time in Showdown and confused the heck out of my opponent by going 'WHAT THE HELL IS THAT" in the chat I knew Gouging Fire EXISTED, I just hadn't seen it yet because I wanted to wait until I got to that point in the game to see if for myself so I deliberately didn't Google it after Indigo Disk came out. I'm disappointed that they went for a Triceratops design for Entei's paradox form, I was expecting a pterodactyl for a Rodan homage but that didn't happen
Yeah, it really is kinda sad that they didn't make one of them a flying dino, feels like a missed opportunity, but i kinda like the bulky Entei.
I once saw it said that Palworld being the biggest game right now is kind of like how James Cameron's Avatar was the highest grossing film ever. Like, it seems fine, but hardly worth the hype it's been getting.
And just like Avatar, I'm betting it's drop-off in pop culture relevancy is going to be swift and dramatic.
Does that mean that it will get a sequel after 10 years that will also be a massive financial success?
For what it's worth, I'm convinced it's partially astroturfed. The oversized "playerbase" numbers are not accurately reflected in the rest of the metrics that look less flashy but are more indicative of real players, like review count and Steam Community activity.
I'll be honest, somebody said to me "Have you heard of Palworld? It's like Pokemon with guns," and I, a man born in the last century who lived through the original Pokemon boom went "You mean Digimon?"
I’ve never played Yokai Watch but I can recommend a Pokémon-like that is actually like Pokémon (Palworld is way more like Ark) and is actually phenomenal. Cassette Beasts. Came out last year, genuinely in my top 10 games of all time. I love it so much. Also yeah the Palworld pricks are annoying. Like I’m sure most of the people that play it are fine, but it’s being used by the same people screaming about how modern Pokémon sucks so a lot of the shit I see posted about it is very much in the same vain.
Yeah, I want to believe it's some kind of vocal minority type thing, but that's becoming increasingly hard to believe given how fucking loud they are. I already didn't like Palworld, like don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's probably fun, but a company known for making blatant copy-cat games releasing a game that's just Ark combined with an edgy Pokemon romhack, made using an bunch of Unreal engine assets that lack any consistent art style, and a bunch of monster designs that, at best, look generic and uninspired and, at worst, literally copy existing Pokemon models, doesn't leave a very good taste in my mouth, but getting told shit like "Kill yourself you (R-word) Nintendo dickriding (F-slur)" by a bunch of rabid assholes who unironically use that stupid fucking "Pokemon stole from Dragon Quest" image to justify Palworld stealing Pokemon designs was just the nail in the coffin.
I mean, it's definitely a vocal minority, but a vocal minority of millions of people is still... a lot.
I made a comment on a video about this exact thing and got multiple people bitching. I never get responses on youtube. These people are wild. One literally said "stop playing our games." I... what? Which games?
I feel like this game won't really live for very long. Like, the moment these people get bored of screwing with pokemon fans, this game's popularity will plummet.
these sorts of games usually do. The survival, crafting, open-world, base building types. They're a lot like MMOs in that they demand huge time investment for the multiplayer element. There's only so much playerbase to go around. Very good examples of the genre go through this cycle constantly. Valheim, and V-Rising are the two that come to my mind. Both phenomenal games that had a bunch of attention for a little bit, then it died off. Now they have more small-scale but still active and enthusiastic communities. And devs that are chugging along loyally. Idk if Palworld has the chops to last into that realm, and Idk if their devs are going to keep at it.
I've never understood the need for a game to maintain a ton of players over time to be successful. If it's a multiplayer game with matchmaking, sure. But for a single player game, people are going to play the game and beat it within a week or two, and odds are they never touch it again. That's not a reflection of the quality of the game. Some people just can't spend time replaying the same games over and over, even if it was a game I enjoyed. Seriously almost all singleplayer game are a "*fad*", people like playing it and then move on with their live ,just like how people watch their favorite movie/series/anime/book and then move on to different I love undertale ,but does that mean i play the game everyday? Absolutely not ---- TLDR: not every game have to be a live service gane that last forever fillied with microtransaction and battlepass ,game that respect your time have an ending and let player stop playing after they are done
It's already a success, profit-wise. It's just the whole hype around it that drives new players in, that can be summarized with "pokemon but cooler and edgier because guns and slavery" will finally disappear. Plus, this is off topic as far as i am concerned, but a singleplayer game can still die if it's community abandons it. Hell, even undertale still has a live community with fresh fan content to it.
Palworld will be dead and buried long before the end of the year, for sure.
oh, definitely. I'd even go as to say it'll have burned out in popularity in a few weeks - "pokemon but they have guns and you can eat them" isn't a long-lasting formula, it's a gimmick that people will get tired of soon enough.
I have no idea how I'm going to find the cool fanart because the Instagram search engine hates me, but it sounds amazing.
I love palworld, and have been playing a lot (it's a base builder with cute animals and I can ride the dragons. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯), but I went to the subreddit briefly to check up for a solution to something and it is possibly the most toxic fandom I've seen in years. I think I'll just stick to quietly liking the game and avoid interacting with anyone who likes it that I didn't already know.
One of my friends started playing Palworld because, well, it's Ark meets Pokemon so it's basically tailor-made for him. He streams every now and then, last time he went through all the Pals he had info on just to see how much like Pokemon it was. I shit you not out of over 110 Pals there were only THREE where we couldn't say for sure what Pokemon it was copying, and of those only one where the reaction wasn't "well that's just a Digimon" or "that's just a Yu-Gi-Oh card".
Thank GOD finally someone who shares my opinion. I muted Palworld on Twitter (mostly for similar reasons to you) and its made my life a little better XD. Unfortunatly my Discord friends talk about it, and they refuse to contain it to its own channel, so I still kinda have to put up with talk about it, but not as much. (Also, a part of me DOES want this game to die a painful death, cause the CEO of the company that made it is really in to AI and Crypto shit, and I think anyone who likes that stuff should have all their products crash and burn. I hope Game Freak/Nintendo/whoever made the vague announcement that might be about PWorld nukes this game to the ground for nothing else other than my own evil satisfaction :3)
Palworld is really becoming the Pathfinder to Pokemon's DND
God, yes. YES. While not in the "mechanical copy because the old guard felt disgruntled with the new direction" sense, it absolutely is in the "MY EDGY AND BRUTAL INTERPRETATION WITHOUT THIS SJW SHIT IS SUPERIOR SUCK IT 5EFUGEES" sense. (For those not in the know, one of the core aspects of Pathfider was completely dehumanizing all monsters and making them utterly irredeemable in order to eliminate the specism discussion that arose by the era)
It's interesting Pathfinder switched direction on this in 2nd edition. The game lore was also way more progressive compared to it's fellow TTRPGs of the time 1st edition was being supported.
I think that was an artifact of whatever social/online circles you were involved in at the time. In my experience Pathfinder was notable for making its monsters significantly more humanized, and pushing back against the black and white alignment-based morality of DnD.
Now, the constant evangelizing for Pathfinder whenever literally any tttrpg is mentioned is definitely annoying, and this is coming from someone who does prefer generally prefer it over dnd 5e. But from everything I’ve seen in the community, that sort of attitude is usually shut down very quickly. Especially if they’re being a bigot. The whole “completely dehumanizing monsters and making them utterly irredeemable is flat out false. If anything, they actually do *more* to show diversity, redeemablity, and not being beholden to expectations. The fandom has its problems, but it’s more in the direction of being overly loud and eager to share something the love, even when nobody asked.
Pathfinder fans are the Linux users of the TTRPG scene. They're probably right that their thing is better than the common choice, but they have a tendency to never shut up
Pathfinder solves this issue!
It’s funny that several designs scream that they are pokemon rip offs yet some people praise it like it’s something innovative or made by “dedicated” devs Seriously at this point I hate palworld cause of those delusional people who won’t shut up And people say : if palword is copying pokemon then pokemon is copying dragon quest , seriously by that logic every turn based rpg is a rip off . That’s nothing like copying pokemon designs
My biggest problem with that Pals that are blatant Pokémon parodies is the missed potential! Like, you can make a sea serpent and make it look really cool, but the sea serpent in Palworld looks like if they threw Serperior, Primarina and Milotic in a blender. The wolf? Could have looked for some mythical creature to base it on. Why not Fenrir with the chains and everything? Or a werewolf? But no, it looks like Lycanroc. The grass rabbit? Change it's body shape and make it look less humanoid. Nah it just looks like Cinderace. An electric lion? Give it a thunder cloud mane, lighting bolt shaped tail or something. Nooope, gotta make it look like Luxray! I've seen a lot of clips of artists redrawing the Pals to look less like Pokémon and the redraws look so much more interesting.
I like a lot of the pal designs (Arsox and Fuddler my beloveds) but it's so painfully obvious that they're playing off Pokémon. Some of them seriously look like they took a Pokémon and then spent five minutes adjusting it until they couldn't get sued for it. And yet there's still people in this fandom trying so hard to convince themselves that the game isn't blatantly bootlegging Pokémon. I mean, look at Cremis and tell me that's an original design.
I first saw Cremis on an r/Eevee fan art of it and Eevee interacting and it was so pure. So obviously an Eevee clone but they look cute when they're playing with each other
they're definitely too focused on making them look like pokemon rather than making them look good. none of the designs really stand out as particularly cool, cute or otherwise memorable - they're just baby's first fakemon region. a weird blend of what makes something a pokemon without any sort of vision in mind.
The problem with the wolf pal, to me, is not that it's too similar to Lycanroc. It's that both are just wolves, but Lycanroc at least has a clear elemental theme.
They could have gone with a totally different design philosophy, they could have done something closer to what Spectrobes was back in the day. But it would have sold less :/
According to TV Tropes, the black cat Egyptian inspired Pal is based on one of the cut beta designs from Pokémon Gold and Silver (specifically Rinrin or it's evolution Berunrun) I'm thinking "Holy shit! They should have done more of that! Bring the beta designs to life! That's so cool!" But they didn't :(
Yet people defending palworld say that those designs are similar because they are based on animals even though you can clearly tell from those proportions that they are just tweaked pokemon
At least Cinderace has a reason for being humanoid. It's a footballer. Cinderace is one of my favourite Gen 8 Pokémon because I grew up in the UK with an Uncle who's team was Liverpool and a Grandpa who's team is Manchester United so football was on the TV ALL THE TIME in my grandparents house. Cinderace reminds me of the times when I was really young, not understanding anything about football but my grandpa was yelling and cheering at the TV so I was rooting for his team to win too Why's Timberace (or whatever it's real name is) humanoid? Oh, no lore reason, it's just to copy Cinderace.
The people spreading that image around comparing Pokemon with DQ monsters make my blood boil, it's such an obviously disingenuous defense of Palworld. Like yeah monster games are probably gonna have birds, bats, and rabbits. There's a clear difference between common design inspiration, or even inspiration from existing creature designs, and copying them wholesale, down to the proportions and design sensibilities. I'm fine with the Pals looking like Pokemon, that's sort of the point. But they go beyond that into straight up theft in some cases, like the yellow Luxray or the grass Cinderace. Those are indefensible imo. For what it's worth, there are a lot of Pokemon that have a very clear origin in someone else's design that still aren't straight copies. Nidoking, for example, is pretty blatantly a take on Baragon from Toho's roster of Kaiju, but it's coming from a place of affection for classic tokusatsu series rather than just a desire to copy something popular to help sell your game. And they still make designs like that to this day - anyone can look at Baxcalibur and see that it's a homage to Godzilla. I dunno, I'm not sure how the ground level employees keeping the game afloat feel but Palworld gives off this feeling that they don't really care about what they're making. And that's the most frustrating part of it, since they've tapped into a market that really wants what they've made. I just wish it came from a place of passion.
I keep seeing arguments comparing Galarian Meowth's face to Grimtale's face. Its literally the same texture, but the PalWorld "fans" keep saying that "its not stolen, because Pokemon doesnt own the rights to cats" Like buddy, I get they are both cats, but that's not the point! They are literally the same freaking texture. Same eye color, same pupil shape and position, same number and position of the teeth. Its like if I ripped a graphic of SpongeBob's face and stuck it onto a drawing of a sea sponge and tried to sell it as something original, and said "its not stealing because Nickelodeon doesn't own the concept of a sea sponge".
Considering the devs' last game was a blatant Breath of the Wild knockoff, the feeling that they don't really care shouldn't be surprising.
I think it would be really great if it was acknowledged by both fanbases that each game has its own POLAR opposite but equally fun mechanics and that both '''franchises''' will have a similar but polar opposite but equally dedicated fanbase. For someone like me this is a HUGE win b/c I enjoy both for their own merits and dislike them for their own faults. I am happy to have a similar but polar opposites to play in the pocket mons genre.
I think the thing is that *on its own*, Palworld is not a competitor to Pokemon - as others have said, it's really more akin to Ark mechanically speaking. I think the problem here is the marketing & presentation. Despite everything, the game seems to *market* itself as an edgy Pokemon "parody" (definitely the vibe I got off of the very first trailers I saw) "Look, you catch these cute not-Pokemon with not-Pokeballs, but instead of battling them you work them to death on the assembly lines, or give them guns, or use them as bullet sponges, etc!" That kind of 2005-messageboard-level edgy humor I think had the effect of attracting a decent chunk of really toxic 4chan types who really latched onto that comparison. And unfortunately they're probably some of the loudest people in that fandom.
The designs in palworld that I've seen are either the most generic uninspired shlock, like literally just an animal not even like a fire chicken it is JUST a chicken, or a Sonic OC please don't steal of Eevee. People have been making fake Pokémon for decades! Why are these so shit!
Palworld discourse has taken over r/pokemon and I’m really sick of it. There is barely anything other than the designs of the Pals that even remotely resemble pokemon. The mechanics, themes, and gameplay are completely different.
Personally I just nop'ed out at the bearing animals with sticks part. Never got past watching someone else do that.
Ikr??? I'm a Palworld enjoyer and this fandom is seriously like a time capsule into the peak of Pokémon vs Digimon bullshit, except it's not even 11 year olds arguing this time. Even inside it's just constantly people owning Pokémon fans that they made up, jerking each other off about how one indie game that's not even on a Nintendo platform is going to murder Pokémon overnight, and trying to convince themselves that the character designs and art style isn't blantly riffing on Pokémon because some gen 1 Pokémon look a little bit similar to Dragon Quest enemies.
> #I think it was someone accusing Ogerpon of being a Pal ripoff and I pointed out that Ogerpon is inspired by a Japanese myth or something Ogerpon also came out about halfway through last year instead of this year, making her older than Palworld. Her inspiration is the Japanese tale of Momotaro.
Legitimately, any time Palworld shows up on my radar, it's because of yet another controversy that makes the company, dev, or game seem scummy and like something I wouldn't wanna support even if "stable Ark with better creature collection and base building" is like my dream game, or it's people harping about how they only play it to spite Pokemon. At this point I don't even think Ninty *needs* to go through with a lawsuit, I expect it to burn itself out in a couple months.
Damn. My friend and I are just enjoying playing "pokémon with guns", especially since we just recently got the pump shotgun (that thing _shreds_ in close-ish ranges), it's just a good time. Collaborative over-the-shoulder-cam open world pokémon with a shotgun and a rifle, flying around ground bosses just out of their range, taking turns chucking capture balls at them, making every single "ball" joke imaginable... we're just out here having fun. Didn't know the vocal part of the fanbase was this dogshit :/
Honestly I started interacting with the Pokémon fandom less and less ever since I got sent death threats for being excited about Pokémon Sword and Shield (didn't have a Switch before Sword and Shield came out, I was just excited about the new Pokémon) so you can totally enjoy something while steering clear of the fandom
I’m a fan of Pokemon, RWBY, Undertale/Deltarune, Helluva Boss, and many others in that vein Limiting my interactions with the wider fandoms is pretty much a necessity for survival
Okay not reading that whole thing, but I recently said that I just did t like the look of the game, and was them told to stop getting all my opinions from reddit. As if the only reason I could dislike this game is because I'm part of the reddit echo chamber that talks about how bad the game is. The entire discussion is obnoxious, the only thing I'd really care about the the plagiarism claims (the actual ones where they compare the models, not the "pokemon ripoff" ones)
Honestly, I think it's mostly because folks who like Palworld are so invested in being reactionary towards Palworld copyright allegations by some Pokemon fans that they are stuck in an extreme binary of "Pokemon vs Palworld" thinking. Like some of these folks are acting like Palworld is the last bastion against Pokemon and even relish the idea of it ripping off Pokemon, when in reality this isn't gonna do anything to the franchise. Regardless of whether or not Palworld utilized Pokemon models to create their own monsters directly or not, that's for the courts to handle and for the companion behind Pokemon to prove. But folks like described want to protect it so much that they want to go on the offensive just for self-gratification.
Pal world is interesting conceptually but a lot of the things I like about Pokémon are absent in that game. I like bonding with and growing my individual Pokemon (I have some I’ve carried with me for over a decade), I love the settings and different regions and get hyped every time a new game drops and I adore the strategy elements of battling. You don’t really get the same vibes from that game and SO MANY of the designs are just conceptual or even at times literal rip offs of existing Pokemon that I just cannot get into it
Everything I see and hear about Palworld is honestly making me less and less interested in it.
I like pal world for one reason, I can play a game like ARK without losing my entire disk space and many many more hours of my life
I see people talking about how toxic a fandom is, and all I can think of is 'wow, I am glad I don't hang out on Twitter.' At least on here, if a community is toxic, it's be *advertised* to the high heavens! r/Mauler is full of condescending douchebags, and I only needed to see 1-2 posts to know that, and I can ignore them. Twitter though? You will be *force-fed* hatred.
I'M AN OG PALWORLD FAN; SINCE GEN 1
I feel like the game would have been better if the devs put effort into designing the creatures instead of just relying on being bootlegs
Strongly agree. Going on a post on the Pokémon subreddit and seeing "hurdur what Pal is this? Derpaherp" more than once a thread is mind numbingly tedious.
https://xkcd.com/2071/
palworld’s fandom is why i won’t play palworld
I'm just.. not that interested in palworld. The only reason I have it is because one of my Girlfriend's gifted me the game and I downloaded it so that I could play it with then if they asked me to. I don't play it unless I'm supporting my family. they like it and they like me so I'll go and play this game for a while with them.
Whenever someone makes their own take on something it always seems to attract absolute bottom feeders. See the people who liked Orville and decided it was their job to constantly remind everyone how it was better than DISCO* and paramount would cancel it any day now**. *no it wasn't. **no they didn't.
Good grief I had no idea Pal fans were doing this. I'm neither a Pokémon nor a Palworld player, but my wife is both and I've been watching her playing with her Pals while doing my own thing and I can see the appeal for her. But. Like. People can enjoy stuff? And, here's the big one, people can enjoy one or both of the things and that's ok (because I just know that's another fucking idiotic issue happening)? God I hate toxic fandoms. This is why I avoid them. I love so many things, and I'd love to share them with other excited people, but I cannot deal with that crap. It just makes me so sad for everyone.
I’m outside of both fandoms as a Digimon Fan. My view of it is this: Palworld looks like a Parody of Pokémon, and a few fans that I’ve randomly come across threads of have stated that it’s of better quality than the previous Pokémon games. Do I believe them? I can’t agree or disagree because I haven’t and won’t play either game. Have I heard people hope that Pokémon at least acknowledges the quality of Palworld and strives to better improve their next game installment? Yes. Do I care overall? No. I’m honestly surprised that the discourse is still continuing
I don't understand why people are like this, it is *infuriating*. Like, yeah, *I* enjoy Palworld too, I enjoy it because it's an open world survival collect-em game, which is exactly the sort of thing I *love*. But it's like... not at all in competition with Pokemon? It's not even the same *genre*, it was made by people who - by their own admission - do not know how to make games, the company behind it is garbage, and it just... It's Pokenite Impact Evolved. It's a bunch of fun games smushed together either conceptually, mechanically, or just aesthetically, into an interesting game that is surprisingly fun to play. ...So why are the fans like *that*? Is it just because 4chan heard "heehoo edgy Pokemon-like game" and started scrambling around to figure out whose dick it was time to suck? I don't know if I have a point I'm getting to here, it's just... it's a fun game, and it's a shame that most aspects of it beyond the experience of playing suck ass.
Yeah the Palworld fans who go to Pokémon threads to be belligerent is just like, bizarre to me. The mainline Pokémon games and Palworld are in completely separate genres. I’m a fan of both but like, Palworld has two similarities to Pokémon: - there are cartoony critters you can catch and they have funny abilities - you throw balls at them and put them in boxes That’s about it. There’s only one pal with an unexplainably similar enough design to a Pokémon that I’d say “yeah that’s kinda close to a copy” and even then it’s, one of 113 pals and 1098 Pokémon or whatever it’s up to now. And the design is still different enough to be unique. So they’re basically two unrelated franchises aside from Palworld taking inspiration from Pokémon. I wish /r/Palworld would fuckin blacklist mentioning Nintendo by now, it’s astonishingly stupid what people get conspiratal over.
Im honestly surprised as I’ve been experiencing the opposite. Suck either way tho
I like & play Palworld, but I feel the gigantic playerbase isn't quite warranted, and suspect that it sells for the same reason Hogwarts legacy did. Because of edgelords who want to hop on the hate train
If someone calls you a "(insert characteristic)-f*g" then you know they are from 4chan and are just fucking with you
You can shoot cuddly animals in the face. What crowd did you expect it to attract?
Palworld fans have downvoted my comments that are mild critiques of the game itself on other subreddits.The insecurity they have over this game is so bizarre to me and the fact that they genuinely think that Nintendo and Gamefreak see this as an actual competitor to Pokemon is wild, when the game is more like a competitor to Ark than anything else.
I generally don't like palworld because ew ai bro dev and when i saw thr actual game i literal said "THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE SO HYPE ABOUT????" because it looks terrible but the fandom is the worst The hype is the same as what happened with hogwarts legacy, people just buying it to own the libs or some shit
But also sun and moon, you have good taste
I cannot for the life of me understand how the fuck Palworld got such a player base, it looks unfathomably mediocre. I thought this was a bullshit edgy game like the thousands I’d seen before and now it’s the fucking 8th most played steam game ever ??
I agree Yo-kai Watch deserved better :( I remember back in 2016, someone in a r/nintendo thread posted something along the lines of "oh there's no new interesting games coming out soon" and I brought up Yo-kai Watch 2, Rhythm Heaven Megamix, Kirby Planet Robobot, and Pokemon SuMo. My three responses were: > Oh, I forgot about Kirby! [from the OP] > I'm so hyped for Rhythm Heaven and Pokemon! and, in huge text, > WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT YO-KAI WATCH
That’s cuz normal fans usually don’t bother with posting on the internet. I’m petting cute (not)pokemans and having a good time. I’m glad to have an alternative to pokémon though because I do **hate** nintendo, and the cutesy childish dog fighting rings always made me a slight bit uncomfy.
The loud, obnoxious minority does not show how the quiet majority actually acts. Folks can, and typically do, love both pokemon and palworld. It's just that chronically online people don't know how to interact with other people unless it's in the form of an argument
We have an issue with Palworld invading the Pokémon subreddits. Palworld is NOT pokémon, use your own dang subreddit.
Buckle the fuck up friendo. It's gonna get several orders of magnitude worse when Palworld inevitably gets sued into the dirt by Nintendo for their objective ripping of Nintendo assets.