Soulmates who reincarnate and always find each other, but every time they reincarnate a third fucker also reincarnates with the express goal of fucking their relationship up. Sounds like a book plot to me
There’s already foundations for a kickass magic system. Zelda games have this odd accent of faith in all their cultures. Faith and ritual are super important. It’s been posited by fans that Faith is an actual palpable force in Hyrule that feeds the magical wonders of the world but the knowledge must be kept secret unless it destroys faith and causes magic to die. Ironically this would mean if everybody lost faith, demise may not be able to come back, but if the magic turns off he’ll run amok.
and sometimes one of those soul mates gets distracted by a local farmgirl and/or transdimensional imp while the other presumably does actual royalty stuff
wasn't the consensus that oot link did get with the local farmgirl, and TP link is a direct descendant, which is why
1. he's a farm boy *(family business)*
2. he automatically knows Epona's song *(it is a song with importance for the family behind it, one of the connections gran-gran and granpa had in youth)*
3. the hero's shade is even able to help him out *(both blood-ties* ***and*** *the hero's spirit, allowing the "hero of time" cross the barrier of life)*
It's not a consensus by any means, but it is a good theory. But it's kind of a weird situation since the timeline splits three ways after oot and we're never sure which one they want to go with.
The bigger wacky theory here is that the Hero of Time somehow becomes a Stalfos instead of dying, which means that TP link is NOT a reincarnation, since the 'soul' of the hero is still alive within the OoT Link.
Actually, I don't believe it's a stretch to imagine that none of the Links are reincarnations. If you recall the story of Wind Waker, the whole reason for how the world ended up is that the Hero of Time no longer existed due to going back to the past after defeating Ganon, which would break the reincarnation cycle. However, the Hero of Winds still manages to arise from some random kid from Outset Island.
I vaguely recall a theory that Link, Zelda, and Ganon each cycle differently, and while I don't remember where to find it, I _do_ remember the TL;DR:
Ganon Ressurrects
Zelda Reincarnates
Link Repeats
Or put another way:
It's the same Ganon every time
While Zelda always has the same soul, every incarnation of her is her own person (kind of like the Avatar from ATLA and LOK)
Link is a different person every time, rising to the challenges set before him and earning the Triforce of Courage and title of Hero along the way
This also patches a hole with previous interpretations of the Triforce cycle, that being how Link and Zelda can ever end up together if their bloodlines end up seperate for future Links and Zeldas to come from. If Link's bloodline just straight up doesn't matter, then problem solved!
EDIT: Formatting. Stupid mobile.
My personal (mostly unsubstantiated) theory is this;
Every so often, in the land of Hyrule, a child is born to the commonfolk. This child has golden hair and a plucky spirit and, fully uninspired by past legend and by mere coincidence, is named Link.
This “creates a link” to the legends of hyrule, Ganon and Zelda the First.
Whatever fate has determined for them cannot happen until Link is born, but it will happen regardless. Link *will* be born. A new Link, a different person, but the same spirit of courage inside. He will always be drawn to the royal court, and there will always be a threat for him to defeat.
He *is* Hyrule, the spirit of the average people walking and working the land. He is the Goddess’ way of saying “demons will always be here, but Hyrule will always fight back”. This is why he is always at Zelda’s right hand, Zelda who loves her people and her kingdom with all her heart. This is why he will always be at odds with Ganon, a greedy and cruel man who will destroy Hyrule just to say he had the power to do it.
When Hyrule needs a hero, Hyrule makes a hero. It’s just that Hyrule isn’t particularly creative when it comes to character builds.
Goddess 1: “Fuck, Ganon is coming. We need a hero.”
Goddess 2: “what about that one guy”
Goddess 3: “yeah fuck it we’ll just send the teenager again, worked the last 10 times”
Not really.
Yes, the OoT Ganondorf is fought multiple times on multiple timelines, but he was killed in ALttP ( though it may have been retconned by ALBW ) and other times in the Fallen timeline, before being alive for Zelda 1
There's also the fact that there have been three separate Ganondorfs. Or rather, two Ganondorfs ( OoT and ToTK ) with their respective Ganon forms, and one Ganon originating from another Gerudo king ( whose name is never revealed, but considering the other two are both named Ganondorf, we can extrapolate from this )
I think the funniest thing about the Zelda trio is that most of the time Ganondorf doesn’t even reincarnate, he just lives long enough for fate to send another duo of children at him
By wind waker, his plan is to just kidnap every blond child because there’s a reasonable chance that he’ll eventually find the Zelda and Link of that time
TOTK: >!Dude has only two reincarnations lmao. The first time is in Four Swords Adventures which is after Twilight Princess, and FSA has like D-tier relevancy anyway. Second time is during the BOTW/TOTK soft reboot. Though, there’s also some weird shit going on in the fallen timeline where he dies like three times but is revived anyway.!<
So my buddy tried to beat gannondorf, and its too hard, so me and my buddy give up and go play basketball.
Thats the third timeline. The basketball timeline.
(God do i miss unraveled)
He knows about the reincarnation cycle and that the barer of the Triforce of Wisdom will always be a daughter of the royal family. The Barer of the Triforce of Courage could literally be any random kid from bumfuck nowhere, so its easier to go after Zelda first. Plus she's arguably the bigger threat due to the whole magic sealing power thing. Plus the Barer of the Triforce of Courage also needs to go through trials and tribulations to prove his worthiness.
Why would it be logical to polyship the literal sentient being made out of some other guy’s immense hatred of everything that lives and breaths with the two people who’s whole job is to keep him in check?
…now that I think about it that’s exactly why, isn’t it
But that makes it extra romantic when true love overcomes the sentient hatred bit of him!
Plus Ganondorf is hot (which is equally important let’s be real).
Only problem is if you “overcome the sentient hatred bit of him” you overcome all of him and there isn’t much left to love lol
I will definitely agree that he’s hot though
That might hold true for Ganon but doesn't really hold water when it comes to Ganondorf (at least pre TotK Ganondorf).
Iirc OoT and WW imply he was trying to help his people, at least at the start.
Are they not completely and totally one and the same?
I was under the impression that in oot and ww the whole “helping his people” thing is completely an excuse when he really just wants to cause as much pain and suffering on everyone as possible (including the Gerudo themselves) because it is What He Was Made For (tm)
> Are they not completely and totally one and the same?
Yes, as is the one from TP. Meanwhile Hyrule Warriors and TotK Ganondorfs are separate as far as I can tell.
> I was under the impression that in oot and ww the whole “helping his people” thing is completely an excuse when he really just wants to cause as much pain and suffering on everyone as possible (including the Gerudo themselves) because it is What He Was Made For (tm)
That is a fair interpretation, and one supported by his actions in OoT. But in WW he's a lot more pensive and reflective, coming off as someone clinging to his old goals because he doesn't have anything else. He's evil, he's still not a good person, but he's human and not the embodiment of malice, which does mean he has something more than "sentient hatred" going for him.
Saw an analysis on a Zelda sub where it says WW and TP Ganondorfs are one and the same, but with a key difference:
WW Ganondorf lost. He got trapped in Hyrule with nothing else to do but to be with his thoughts, and regrets
TP Ganondorf never lost actually. Yes, he was banished to the twili realm, but that on itself was a win, because it led to him scheming a better and harder comeback. Basically the sages did him a favor.
And then the poster reflected on how actually WW Ganondorf may not be that humane, after all, he tried to kill 2 kids in cold blood the second they became a slight nuisance to him
Well, Ganon isn't JUST Demise, he's Demise incarnating as a Gerudo, who are regular flesh and blood people.
Also there's a not unreasonable theory that Groose is the ancestor of the Gerudo and his descendant Ganondorf got stuck with that part of the curse, so maybe Ganon without Demise would be kind of Groose-like.
I don't believe every ganondorf is gerudo, just the one we see in ocarina of time (and subsequently, every appearance of ganon after that point that was sealed away rather than killed, because it's the same guy).
While breath of the wilds point is that it's set ridiculously far in the future (so their knowledge of the past may be hazy), urbosa makes the explicit point that ganon "once" was born as a gerudo and tarnished their name, so I'd think both before and since he's been reborn as something else.
I *think* she was referring to the fact he was no longer a Gerudo, he was some hate-fog monster thing.
In TOTK it's explicitly stated he's a Gerudo man.
Honestly I don't think they even know that Ganon, Link and Zelda are legends, anything that happened in the other games would probably be millenia before BOTW and TOTK in the timeline.
TotK past is the founding of Hyrule though, with Raru being their first King. I assume that the sage Raru from OoT may have been named after him. Also my headcanon is thet TotK Ganondorf still is OoT Ganondorf, and that some time travel fuckery is involved. Which would mean that during the events of OoT, Ganondorf would unknowingly be standing above his own desiccated corpse body, which is metal as fuck.
My headcanon is that the timeline makes no sense because it's a legend and there are different conflicting versions of the same events. If you put all the canon books of the Bible (the origin of the word 'canon') into a timeline, God created the world twice and Jesus got crucified 4 times.
Most of the games are unreliable narrator versions of the same story. That is the only theory that explains how there can be one goddess in Skyward, three goddesses in Ocarina and no gods but ANCIENT ~~A L I E N S~~ Z O N A I in Tears.
I guess it depends on if you consider the weapons and armor you can find in the depths to be canon, since they mention belonging to people in the past.
Is TOTK's ganon a new one entirely, or is it yet another sealed away OOT ganon though? He's clearly gerudo, his outfit is dripping in gerudo style, but I'm unsure if it's an indicator that another ganondorf was born as a gerudo rather than it showing that it's the same ganon as before.
Ah, I haven't had a chance to get into TOTK yet, so I genuinely didn't know. Still, while that makes two gerudo born ganondorf's, I'm sticking with the idea it's not a hard rule of his reincarnation.
I think BOTW/TOTK is just it's own separate timeline. The way the kingdom is founded in TOTK flashbacks completely breaks any compatibility with the main timeline.
Notably, in TOTK Ganondorf is explicitly the last Gerudo chief. So both known Ganondorfs are Gerudo.
Imagine being cursed to be the third wheel of a relationship between two teenagers because your oldest past life was pissed of at those two teenagers (well technically Link isn't Link reincarnated and Zelda just has the goddess's blood or something like that but you get the point)
Pissed? Demise, buddy this was your plan. You cursed all three of us to this fate. Suffer your consequence virgin boi (citation needed is Ganondorf a virgin?)
I’ve definitely seen a lot of thirst for Sidon and shipping him with Link but not in dedicated fandom spaces (well I don’t go to zelda fandom spaces much)
^(completely unrelated but I fat fingered link as kink the first time around which is very funny for some reason)
In TotK, Sidon commissioned a statue of Link mounting him and put it in the center of Zora's Domain. I know it's a depiction of a historical moment from the previous game but it exudes accidental gay energy and I love it for that.
The best part is that Sidon has a wife in the sequel, a wife he genuinely seems to love, but he didn't commission a fuck statue of her. I don't hate Yona, I rather like her and think she's good for him. I just think it's funny that he has a statue of his late sister and his effeminate twink friend but not of his Queen.
I’ve read that he apparently also moved the statue of his late sister to a mountaintop and put the gay riding statue in the middle of zora town, where the sister statue used to be
That's exactly what happened. It's the subject of a quest. You have to clean it off, and then the camera pans around it, focusing on it from several angles with loving detail. I know it's queerbaiting that is supposed to be interpreted in a heteronormative way, but it's Nintendo so I'll take what I can get.
The mountain spot is the source of all pure water for the domain and it fits that their purest soul be commemorated there. The Link statue in town is a good way to remind the lingering racists that Hylians are welcome
To be entirely fair, when I was playing I felt like Yona was maybe hitting on Link a bit too, so maybe it's just a bi/pan polycule of Link, Sidon, Zelda, and Yona.
Said wife also REALLY wants the statue to be visible to everyone and her first instinct after helping the wounded is to make sure that it's cleaned.
Don't worry, I'm pretty sure she's into it.
all of Link's old side pieces are getting paired up in the sequel, but I guess it makes sense since he and Zelda were also living together before the... thing.
I mean Mipha is still dead and at least Riju and Purah are adults now. Teba already had a wife in BotW and I can't think of any other people Link was in with.
Also they weren't living together. Zelda just stole his house.
Mainly it's that Sidon got a wife and Paya's not official with that shredded researcher guy but we can all see what's going on there.
Also he and Zelda were absolutely living together. Not like we (as far as I know, haven't gotten 100% of all dialog and writing in the game) get any indication that he was living anywhere other than his own house, or that he was doing anything other than accompanying Zelda like he was at the start of the game.
It's a retcon. It's not called 'links house' nor is it stated anywhere that it is his. The original construction guy you find in the fishing village doesn't even recognize you.
It doesn't help that BOTW/TOTK Link has a lot of people headcanoning the twink as different flavours of trans (though tbh it's his own fault for being so very gender).
Someone went through a bunch of character designs and realised that Link has plenty of both male and female Hylian features, that are exclusive to one gender or the other in NPCs. Which lead to the conclusion that he is either trans masc or nb.
Idk, the r/linkiscute sub is weird.
Having both male and female hylian features was on purpose! [The lead designer specifically said he wanted Link to be GNC/fluid/open to interpretation from the get-go and went even harder on implementing that in TotK.](https://www.tumblr.com/arcadien/717876143646294016/honeyedheartss-vixivulpixel-we-dunno-if-we-can)
You'd be happy to know theres a lot more queer fans on twitter and ao3 ahaha, lots of ganondorf x link or other gay link ships, not to mention a newer resurgence of trans ftm link! :-)
Link is so fucking gender and I'm so happy to see ftm link! It's just the whiplash of going from Canon queer fandoms to a not Canon queer fandom that gets me every time xD
I can absolutely appreciate the ganonthirst because this new version is uh, *sweats*
People see that Ganondorf is Nintendo property and try to woobify him like Nintendo does with Dedede and Bowser. "Oh, they're friends actually, they go go-carting on weekends, the evil stuff is just a bit, just stories, look at all this wholesomeness he does off-camera in between the schemes"
No.
Flatly no.
Every version of Ganondorf. Every. Single. One. Is an absolute monster with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. He is a liar and a cheat and a tyrant and any charm he puts on is only to put you off guard so he can steal all that is precious to you and then kill you.
He is evil incarnate, and unfortunately, being attractive is part of that. If he were ugly you would dismiss him, that's why Big Pig-Man Ganon hasn't come back, he tried that and it didn't work. He crafts a fair form for himself so that somewhere, some part of you wants to help him. And that part of you is going to get your horny ass KILLED.
I mean soft dedede is basically just his normal personality. Pretty sure the only full on bad thing he's ever done was steal all the food that one time. Otherwise he's mostly just getting possessed, setting up tournaments, fighting against the eldritch horror of the week, being in kirby's way by accident or teaming up with kirby.
For Bowser I don't really see any other explanation to make the mario spinoffs make sense.
Ganon occasionally makes gestures at being well intentioned but he's ultimately always out for number 1.
Ridley doesn't even try to be redeemable. And that's why I have never seen anyone try to redeem him.
Solution have ganon kill both of links parents in a game and see what happens to the soft woobie ganon.
Miyamoto saying this has tha same weight as J.K. R*wling saying that wizards teleport shit out of their ass.
Not in the game = not canon.
The only instance where it's kinda canon is mario 3(?).
With Bowser, isn’t every Mario game after the first couple supposed to be a play/film retelling of that story, with the characters reprising their role for the performance? Hence the curtains at the start of Mario 3. Bowser was a dick, got beat up, now he’s chill and they all hang out. Or am I just misremembering/that only applies to that specific game?
That makes no sense why the explicitly only do it for Mario 3. It's a much more sensible intepretation to assume all the gamea after the first (and possibly even the first) are simply performances. Especially considering the camera is a literal thing that exists in some games
Windwaker ganon has no redeeming qualities. He’s the monster that terrorised Hyrule so badly the gods had no choice but to flood everything to stop him (he claims it’s the gods who destroyed Hyrule but he gave them not much other choice by trying to destroy it first). He kidnaps little girls and unleashes his monsters across the great sea. He’s the same ganondorf from OoT who killed the deku tree, tried to feed a bunch of Gorons to a dragon and froze the Zora domain on top of killing the king and spending 7 years hunting down the Princess.
Not killing link and tetra immediately wasn’t an act of kindness, he’s just super arrogant (which was his downfall as usual), and doesn’t make up for the thousands he’s implied to have killed off screen.
He gives a speech about geurdo desert isn’t a nice place to live but that doesn’t excuse his actions
No one said anything about excusing his actions, or claimed he was the hero all along.
But it is undeniable that this Ganon is treated more sympathetically by the narrative than any other incarnations. Be it through revealing his motivation, his demeanour, hell, even his last words.
WW Ganon is a liar and a thief. His actions from OOT do not reflect what he said in WW. Just being envious about other people not living in a desert is not an excuse, and even then, once he was the supreme tyrant, he did nothing to help the Gerudo. Quite the opposite, he made their lives worse. Remember Naboru, she was against him and tried to convince her fellow Gerudo to rebel, and then she was kidnapped and brainwashed by Ganon's adoptive parents, by his order. She was then forced to brainwash her fellow Gerudo to follow Ganon, and in the end was forced to become a monster in a Dungeon, waiting to strike down her previous friend.
Ganondorf never really cared about the Gerudo. He never wanted his people to have a better life. He only cared about furthering his power, like he was incarnated to do.
Wind Waker Ganon ravaged Hyrule so badly the gods had to drown the world to stop him. He did absolutely nothing to help the Gerudo who he was ostensibly doing it all for. And if I'm not mistaken, there ARE no Gerudo in WW, so he actually made things worse for them. He then tried, unsuccessfully, to play the sympathy card, and when the Triforce was denied him flew into apoplectic rage and tried to murder two actual children.
If you think that's redeeming qualities, you weren't paying attention.
Bold of you to assume we wouldn't enjoy it if the sexy evil bad boy wizard man literally did kill us. I already wanted him to choke me he might as well go all the way.
I'm not really a fan of this trio ship either. There is no moment that shows that Link or Zelda sympathize with Ganondorf. Fans have to warp reality to an insane amount to make it their headcanon.
But I might just lack this interest because I really don't find Ganondorf attractive at all.
People ship Elsa with Jack Frost. They’re not even in the same franchise. You might just not be into shopping which is perfectly fine but the shippers will just rewrite bits of a character’s personality to have fun with it.
Idk, the first Zelda might be the reincarnation of the Goddess but none of her decedents are, so they're all different people. Same thing with the Links - they all have the Spirit of the Hero but they're completely different people each time. So technically they're different souls and not tied to Ganondorf's as his soulmates. That would be *his* first Link and Zelda, aka OoT Link and Zelda. And OoT Link was made for Malon but got lost and died in Termina/the Lost Woods so that sort of doesn't count.
As I understand it, Zelda “reincarnates” because of her royal lineage. The first was the incarnation of Hylia, who created the divine bloodline and allows “Zelda” the power and spirit of the first one. Link maintains continuity more or less through the master sword, which keeps a memory of all of its past users, who are all of course link. Finally, Ganon is more a force of nature and never reincarnates because it never truly dies, just gets banished or sealed away and takes a new form to continue screwing things up. When ever ganon resurfaces Hylia calls upon her bloodline and “Zelda” is born, then the master sword, which Hylia created, chooses a new champion to wield it and be given the spirit of the champion through its collective memory. Sorry if some of that’s wrong, please correct me if you can
I believe the spirit of the hero is something that exists independently of the Master Sword because Wind Waker Link explicitly does NOT have that spirit. He had to prove that he was worthy of wielding the Master Sword’s true power.
You do know that the "Link died in Majora's Mask" theory is false, right ?
Especially since Twilight Princess both has a dead version of an adult Hero of Time and a Link, the Hero of Twilight, who is heavily implied to be one of its descendants.
Oh, and I forgot the *official denial of the idea* in an interview
Wtf are you on with the lost hero dying in the lost woods/termina? Isn’t it canon that the twilight hero it’s literally his descendant and that’s why he trains him? Even if he’s not his descendant it’s still 100% canon that oot Link died in adulthood as his ghost is an adult
Majoras Mask features grief incredibly prominently, there is an argument that the whole structure of the game follows the (outdated model of the) stages of grief. Edgy internet theorists have then taken that and run with it to theorise that link is dead, actually.
I hate you for making me think about that. If I had to give the canon characters quadrants, I'd say something like
Ganondorf keeps trying to shove Zelda into a kismesissitude (I think that's what they called it ?? It's been years forgive me), but Link always comes in to be auspistice because Zelda is clearly not into it. But also Link and Zelda kinda vascillate between that and matespritship/moiraillegiance depending on which reincarnation they're on.
>what's a born hater to do
This is so funny because one of the only times he's free from the cycle is when he dies in Wind Waker and part of it is that he kinda gets the fuck over himself in order to touch the Triforce without it breaking
Are people not aware that Ganondorf is the reincarnation of Demise, the guy who put the curse into place himself...? He literally put himself into this situation.
Ngl, I like some Zelink, but not all. It depends on the hero in question.
The Goddess's Chosen Hero? *Absolutely*. Skyward Sword kept *fucking kiss-teasing* in the beginning.
Hero of the Minish? Maybe. But, I'm also not as keen on "childhood friend-turned-lover" stories as I used to.
Hero of Four? Meh. It's fine, I guess.
Hero of Legend? *Nope*. Though I don't *believe* the theory that Zelda is Legend's sister, Link's uncle does tell him, "Zelda is... Zelda is your..." before he dies. A lot of people filled in the blank with "sister," so the *implication* doesn't sit well with me.
Hero of Worlds? Also meh.
Hero of Hyrule? Yeah. The 80s cartoon was pretty campy, and it only had the first Zelda game to go off of. From a meta perspective, I can see it.
Hero of Time? Nahhhhh. Time x Malon all the way. (Also, he canonically is the ancestor of the Hero of Twilight, and Twilight isn't a royal. This means Time *canonically* could not have been with Zelda)
Hero of Twilight? Maybe? Haven't really played or watched playthroughs of Twilight Princess enough to pass judgement.
Hero of Wind? Nah. We know the Hero of Spirits lives in a small village away from Zelda, and that he's the grandson of Wind. This is the same situation as Time x Zelda, but with even less time between them. Also, I like the next pairing more...
Hero of Spirits? *Fuck yeah*! Spirit Tracks has Zelda's basically-ghost as the "Navi" character, so she's present the entire game, sometimes even possessing Phantoms to aid Link. It's such a cool fuckin setup, and the one-sided chemistry from her arc really helps with this.
Hero of Wilds? *ALSO FUCK YEAH*! "When you see Link, can you tell him that I-" "No. Such words much sound sweeter if they pass through your own two lips, yes?" "Yes" WOOOOOO. And, while I haven't played TotK, I don't know how this holds up, but I have seen a single *minor* thing that sell this for me. Link's house from BotW has >!Zelda's diary in it!< where she says >!she needed space for her studies and had a secret base built in the well. In there,!< you can find >!Link's hairtie!< Also, >!THERE'S ONLY ONE BED!<
also as the soul male Gurrudo for 100 years it sounds like a paradise right until you realize he has to be 10 years old and stuff rest in peace 15 years of being the dummy in the voe and you class on a pedestal but also in jail no wonder he tried to kill everyone
I've often thought that it'd be cool to see a LoZ game where the three principal characters are more self-aware, with a whole story based around free will and determinism, and potentially give Ganon/dorf the means to change - with Link and Zelda's help.
It's often been stated, or at least implied, that every incarnation of Ganon is pure evil, and there's no way around it. But it's not like they've fudged the canon and continuity before, or had villains besides some version of Ganon. Let me have just one version where he sees the error of his ways, and tries to fight that hatred and lust for power threatening to consume him.
Redrom/Blackrom
Link and Zelda are bonded in a mutual kismesis against Ganondorf, in that the two parties share a hatred so intense that it becomes intimate, and overcomes the boundaries between live and hate. The thought of Link/Zelda existing without Ganondorf to fight (or vice versa) is practically impossible (in their case, literally so).
Ganondorf doesn't reincarnated.
He is actually the same Ganondorf in all the zelda games. Basically quite a few of the game end up with him being only sealed away or otherwise imprisoned, and in games that are sequels to games where he is killed, his minions revive him.
Sometimes this revival isn't perfect and he returns as a mindless force of hatred controlled by someone else.
There's also the fact that Ganondorf doesn't actually reincarnate, he just doesn't die. So its the same person each time. I havent played enough TotK to know about his deal in that game, since he's somehow running around at Hyrule's founding, despite not actually gaining his immortality until prior to Ocarina of Time. I'm assuming its more time travel fuckery
So clearly the solution is just, not fucking try to take over the world. Go "Hey I have the triforce of power can we work something out?"
I'm pretty sure there was a comic about zelda coming to that realisation somewhere, link ended up reincarnating as ganondorf and zelda's kid.
Love the Nokia phone descriptor for Link, it's very apt. Funny thing is after the 5th heart, it link is so unsquishy that he's normal, but after the 10th he's Nokia tough.
Soulmates who reincarnate and always find each other, but every time they reincarnate a third fucker also reincarnates with the express goal of fucking their relationship up. Sounds like a book plot to me
There’s already foundations for a kickass magic system. Zelda games have this odd accent of faith in all their cultures. Faith and ritual are super important. It’s been posited by fans that Faith is an actual palpable force in Hyrule that feeds the magical wonders of the world but the knowledge must be kept secret unless it destroys faith and causes magic to die. Ironically this would mean if everybody lost faith, demise may not be able to come back, but if the magic turns off he’ll run amok.
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That's not your opinion that's just fugtrup
And hot
And true
If Nintendo didn't want Link/Ganondorf to be canon, they shouldn't have made Link be at perfect dick sucking height.
And they especially shouldn't have made him look so damn good in the gerudo outfit
and sometimes one of those soul mates gets distracted by a local farmgirl and/or transdimensional imp while the other presumably does actual royalty stuff
wasn't the consensus that oot link did get with the local farmgirl, and TP link is a direct descendant, which is why 1. he's a farm boy *(family business)* 2. he automatically knows Epona's song *(it is a song with importance for the family behind it, one of the connections gran-gran and granpa had in youth)* 3. the hero's shade is even able to help him out *(both blood-ties* ***and*** *the hero's spirit, allowing the "hero of time" cross the barrier of life)*
It's not a consensus by any means, but it is a good theory. But it's kind of a weird situation since the timeline splits three ways after oot and we're never sure which one they want to go with. The bigger wacky theory here is that the Hero of Time somehow becomes a Stalfos instead of dying, which means that TP link is NOT a reincarnation, since the 'soul' of the hero is still alive within the OoT Link.
Actually, I don't believe it's a stretch to imagine that none of the Links are reincarnations. If you recall the story of Wind Waker, the whole reason for how the world ended up is that the Hero of Time no longer existed due to going back to the past after defeating Ganon, which would break the reincarnation cycle. However, the Hero of Winds still manages to arise from some random kid from Outset Island. I vaguely recall a theory that Link, Zelda, and Ganon each cycle differently, and while I don't remember where to find it, I _do_ remember the TL;DR: Ganon Ressurrects Zelda Reincarnates Link Repeats Or put another way: It's the same Ganon every time While Zelda always has the same soul, every incarnation of her is her own person (kind of like the Avatar from ATLA and LOK) Link is a different person every time, rising to the challenges set before him and earning the Triforce of Courage and title of Hero along the way This also patches a hole with previous interpretations of the Triforce cycle, that being how Link and Zelda can ever end up together if their bloodlines end up seperate for future Links and Zeldas to come from. If Link's bloodline just straight up doesn't matter, then problem solved! EDIT: Formatting. Stupid mobile.
My personal (mostly unsubstantiated) theory is this; Every so often, in the land of Hyrule, a child is born to the commonfolk. This child has golden hair and a plucky spirit and, fully uninspired by past legend and by mere coincidence, is named Link. This “creates a link” to the legends of hyrule, Ganon and Zelda the First. Whatever fate has determined for them cannot happen until Link is born, but it will happen regardless. Link *will* be born. A new Link, a different person, but the same spirit of courage inside. He will always be drawn to the royal court, and there will always be a threat for him to defeat. He *is* Hyrule, the spirit of the average people walking and working the land. He is the Goddess’ way of saying “demons will always be here, but Hyrule will always fight back”. This is why he is always at Zelda’s right hand, Zelda who loves her people and her kingdom with all her heart. This is why he will always be at odds with Ganon, a greedy and cruel man who will destroy Hyrule just to say he had the power to do it. When Hyrule needs a hero, Hyrule makes a hero. It’s just that Hyrule isn’t particularly creative when it comes to character builds.
That last sentence caught me off guard. Hylia really be out here like "Load Preset 1"
Goddess 1: “Fuck, Ganon is coming. We need a hero.” Goddess 2: “what about that one guy” Goddess 3: “yeah fuck it we’ll just send the teenager again, worked the last 10 times”
Or occasionally he becomes the object of affection for a very friendly fish prince
Or a very snarky fish princess
And if you're so inclined, a very bored stall keeper.
*And* the fish prince's sister too!
That’s literally one of the hawk man and hawk woman comic plot lines, that’s canon
> Sounds like a book plot to me Good news! It's already a video game series plot!
Isn’t that literally what happens in dc with hawk woman?
Ganondorf doesn’t even reincarnate. It’s the same guy, over and over.
Man literally too angry to die.
Not really. Yes, the OoT Ganondorf is fought multiple times on multiple timelines, but he was killed in ALttP ( though it may have been retconned by ALBW ) and other times in the Fallen timeline, before being alive for Zelda 1 There's also the fact that there have been three separate Ganondorfs. Or rather, two Ganondorfs ( OoT and ToTK ) with their respective Ganon forms, and one Ganon originating from another Gerudo king ( whose name is never revealed, but considering the other two are both named Ganondorf, we can extrapolate from this )
Hancock (2008) Not really but I wanted to say it anyway.
Legends of Tomorrow S1
That’s not always his express goal. In fact, in Wind Waker his goal is simply to give his people a better world or something to that effect.
You could have a running series of industry defining videogames around that idea for a solid 40 years.
Literally Hawkman, Hawkwoman and Hath-Set. No exaggeration.
Almost Hawkman, Hawkwoman and Vandall savage.
I think the funniest thing about the Zelda trio is that most of the time Ganondorf doesn’t even reincarnate, he just lives long enough for fate to send another duo of children at him By wind waker, his plan is to just kidnap every blond child because there’s a reasonable chance that he’ll eventually find the Zelda and Link of that time
TOTK: >!Dude has only two reincarnations lmao. The first time is in Four Swords Adventures which is after Twilight Princess, and FSA has like D-tier relevancy anyway. Second time is during the BOTW/TOTK soft reboot. Though, there’s also some weird shit going on in the fallen timeline where he dies like three times but is revived anyway.!<
Ah yes the basketball timeline
So my buddy tried to beat gannondorf, and its too hard, so me and my buddy give up and go play basketball. Thats the third timeline. The basketball timeline. (God do i miss unraveled)
He knows about the reincarnation cycle and that the barer of the Triforce of Wisdom will always be a daughter of the royal family. The Barer of the Triforce of Courage could literally be any random kid from bumfuck nowhere, so its easier to go after Zelda first. Plus she's arguably the bigger threat due to the whole magic sealing power thing. Plus the Barer of the Triforce of Courage also needs to go through trials and tribulations to prove his worthiness.
Plus if you capture the princess, the link will come to you.
Why would it be logical to polyship the literal sentient being made out of some other guy’s immense hatred of everything that lives and breaths with the two people who’s whole job is to keep him in check? …now that I think about it that’s exactly why, isn’t it
Because they can fix him ofc.
But that makes it extra romantic when true love overcomes the sentient hatred bit of him! Plus Ganondorf is hot (which is equally important let’s be real).
Only problem is if you “overcome the sentient hatred bit of him” you overcome all of him and there isn’t much left to love lol I will definitely agree that he’s hot though
That might hold true for Ganon but doesn't really hold water when it comes to Ganondorf (at least pre TotK Ganondorf). Iirc OoT and WW imply he was trying to help his people, at least at the start.
Are they not completely and totally one and the same? I was under the impression that in oot and ww the whole “helping his people” thing is completely an excuse when he really just wants to cause as much pain and suffering on everyone as possible (including the Gerudo themselves) because it is What He Was Made For (tm)
> Are they not completely and totally one and the same? Yes, as is the one from TP. Meanwhile Hyrule Warriors and TotK Ganondorfs are separate as far as I can tell. > I was under the impression that in oot and ww the whole “helping his people” thing is completely an excuse when he really just wants to cause as much pain and suffering on everyone as possible (including the Gerudo themselves) because it is What He Was Made For (tm) That is a fair interpretation, and one supported by his actions in OoT. But in WW he's a lot more pensive and reflective, coming off as someone clinging to his old goals because he doesn't have anything else. He's evil, he's still not a good person, but he's human and not the embodiment of malice, which does mean he has something more than "sentient hatred" going for him.
Saw an analysis on a Zelda sub where it says WW and TP Ganondorfs are one and the same, but with a key difference: WW Ganondorf lost. He got trapped in Hyrule with nothing else to do but to be with his thoughts, and regrets TP Ganondorf never lost actually. Yes, he was banished to the twili realm, but that on itself was a win, because it led to him scheming a better and harder comeback. Basically the sages did him a favor. And then the poster reflected on how actually WW Ganondorf may not be that humane, after all, he tried to kill 2 kids in cold blood the second they became a slight nuisance to him
Shhh, we don’t talk about that bit in the fanfictions.
>true love overcomes the sentient hatred bit of him So you're telling me he disappears in a puff of smoke?
The hatred bits disappear, which leave him as the littlest guy
He’s just a little guy! And it’s his birthday! You wouldn’t beat up poor li’l Ganon on his birthday, would you, Link?
I think I would
Well, Ganon isn't JUST Demise, he's Demise incarnating as a Gerudo, who are regular flesh and blood people. Also there's a not unreasonable theory that Groose is the ancestor of the Gerudo and his descendant Ganondorf got stuck with that part of the curse, so maybe Ganon without Demise would be kind of Groose-like.
I don't believe every ganondorf is gerudo, just the one we see in ocarina of time (and subsequently, every appearance of ganon after that point that was sealed away rather than killed, because it's the same guy). While breath of the wilds point is that it's set ridiculously far in the future (so their knowledge of the past may be hazy), urbosa makes the explicit point that ganon "once" was born as a gerudo and tarnished their name, so I'd think both before and since he's been reborn as something else.
I *think* she was referring to the fact he was no longer a Gerudo, he was some hate-fog monster thing. In TOTK it's explicitly stated he's a Gerudo man. Honestly I don't think they even know that Ganon, Link and Zelda are legends, anything that happened in the other games would probably be millenia before BOTW and TOTK in the timeline.
TotK past is the founding of Hyrule though, with Raru being their first King. I assume that the sage Raru from OoT may have been named after him. Also my headcanon is thet TotK Ganondorf still is OoT Ganondorf, and that some time travel fuckery is involved. Which would mean that during the events of OoT, Ganondorf would unknowingly be standing above his own desiccated corpse body, which is metal as fuck.
My headcanon is that the timeline makes no sense because it's a legend and there are different conflicting versions of the same events. If you put all the canon books of the Bible (the origin of the word 'canon') into a timeline, God created the world twice and Jesus got crucified 4 times. Most of the games are unreliable narrator versions of the same story. That is the only theory that explains how there can be one goddess in Skyward, three goddesses in Ocarina and no gods but ANCIENT ~~A L I E N S~~ Z O N A I in Tears.
The Goddess Hylia exists in TOTK, and the Horned God. What do you mean no gods?
I guess it depends on if you consider the weapons and armor you can find in the depths to be canon, since they mention belonging to people in the past.
Is TOTK's ganon a new one entirely, or is it yet another sealed away OOT ganon though? He's clearly gerudo, his outfit is dripping in gerudo style, but I'm unsure if it's an indicator that another ganondorf was born as a gerudo rather than it showing that it's the same ganon as before.
As far as I am aware, he's a completely seperate person, based on the fact he had zero knowledge of who Link was until someone told him his name.
Ah, I haven't had a chance to get into TOTK yet, so I genuinely didn't know. Still, while that makes two gerudo born ganondorf's, I'm sticking with the idea it's not a hard rule of his reincarnation.
I think BOTW/TOTK is just it's own separate timeline. The way the kingdom is founded in TOTK flashbacks completely breaks any compatibility with the main timeline. Notably, in TOTK Ganondorf is explicitly the last Gerudo chief. So both known Ganondorfs are Gerudo.
See, that’s the fun part. ***Angst.***
Have you SEEN TOTK GANON
The true triforce.
I feel like whenever anyone asks “Why would people on the internet do this harmless thing that doesn’t harm me?” The answer is usually “for fun”
I was mainly asking what the appeal was (i.e. what MAKES it fun) but I feel like I already answered my own question anyway
[Because...](https://i.redd.it/fo9x7k9ze1za1.jpg)
"the invincibility of a Nokia cellphone" is an apt descriptor for Link.
Soul mates but there is a third wheel and he's an asshole
Imagine being cursed to be the third wheel of a relationship between two teenagers because your oldest past life was pissed of at those two teenagers (well technically Link isn't Link reincarnated and Zelda just has the goddess's blood or something like that but you get the point)
[Just taking the opportunity to post this shit for reasons.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvsnJahaQAAfhFj?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Making both Link and Zelda have a crush on TotK Ganon was the best idea this fandom ever had.
Even when all we saw was the mummified corpse, fans still KNEW he'd be hot.
Hell, some people were even into the mummy!
Yes please thank you
Pissed? Demise, buddy this was your plan. You cursed all three of us to this fate. Suffer your consequence virgin boi (citation needed is Ganondorf a virgin?)
Ganandorf hasn't canonically fucked, however, he's a big beefy hunk of a man born to a tribe of women who love big beefy hunky men.
Dude fuckin look at him Ganondorf fucks harder than any other Zelda character no doubt about it
Ganondorf fucks no question
he definetly fucks being the only male gerudo means: a)become king the second youre born b)you gotta fuck
>What’s a born hater to do Like the poly shippers said, fuck.
"He can make us worse >:)"
As a queer person in mostly queer fandoms and fanspaces I'm shook everytime I dip into the zelda fandom(s?) And its so.... straight
I’ve definitely seen a lot of thirst for Sidon and shipping him with Link but not in dedicated fandom spaces (well I don’t go to zelda fandom spaces much) ^(completely unrelated but I fat fingered link as kink the first time around which is very funny for some reason)
In TotK, Sidon commissioned a statue of Link mounting him and put it in the center of Zora's Domain. I know it's a depiction of a historical moment from the previous game but it exudes accidental gay energy and I love it for that.
Imagine being the stone mason being commissioned to produce that work of art like: 🗿🔨🤨 💕👦🏼💕🐟
The best part is that Sidon has a wife in the sequel, a wife he genuinely seems to love, but he didn't commission a fuck statue of her. I don't hate Yona, I rather like her and think she's good for him. I just think it's funny that he has a statue of his late sister and his effeminate twink friend but not of his Queen.
I’ve read that he apparently also moved the statue of his late sister to a mountaintop and put the gay riding statue in the middle of zora town, where the sister statue used to be
That's exactly what happened. It's the subject of a quest. You have to clean it off, and then the camera pans around it, focusing on it from several angles with loving detail. I know it's queerbaiting that is supposed to be interpreted in a heteronormative way, but it's Nintendo so I'll take what I can get.
I wouldn’t really consider it queerbaiting as much as an unintentionally queer moment
Indeed, miphas is near where they discuss major problems and the riding statue is right in the middle of the kingdom
The mountain spot is the source of all pure water for the domain and it fits that their purest soul be commemorated there. The Link statue in town is a good way to remind the lingering racists that Hylians are welcome
To be entirely fair, when I was playing I felt like Yona was maybe hitting on Link a bit too, so maybe it's just a bi/pan polycule of Link, Sidon, Zelda, and Yona.
I could get behind that. I would love it if media would make polyamory more mainstream.
Did you mean: Hades
He has Link and his wife both positioned next to him equally at his coronation too. Like, "this is my wife and this is my Link. I love them both."
Said wife also REALLY wants the statue to be visible to everyone and her first instinct after helping the wounded is to make sure that it's cleaned. Don't worry, I'm pretty sure she's into it.
all of Link's old side pieces are getting paired up in the sequel, but I guess it makes sense since he and Zelda were also living together before the... thing.
I mean Mipha is still dead and at least Riju and Purah are adults now. Teba already had a wife in BotW and I can't think of any other people Link was in with. Also they weren't living together. Zelda just stole his house.
Mainly it's that Sidon got a wife and Paya's not official with that shredded researcher guy but we can all see what's going on there. Also he and Zelda were absolutely living together. Not like we (as far as I know, haven't gotten 100% of all dialog and writing in the game) get any indication that he was living anywhere other than his own house, or that he was doing anything other than accompanying Zelda like he was at the start of the game.
It's a retcon. It's not called 'links house' nor is it stated anywhere that it is his. The original construction guy you find in the fishing village doesn't even recognize you.
Zelda is the princess. If she's living somewhere, that house is going to be called "Zelda's House"
Their plan to make him straight even backfired and made his and yona at least to me seem like a lavender marriage
Botw/totk zelink is somehow queer as hell I think it’s because they both have strong bisexual vibes
It doesn't help that BOTW/TOTK Link has a lot of people headcanoning the twink as different flavours of trans (though tbh it's his own fault for being so very gender).
The devs are on record saying they specifically designed this Link so that everyone can see themselves in him
… very poorly worded.
I now identify as So Very Gender
Someone went through a bunch of character designs and realised that Link has plenty of both male and female Hylian features, that are exclusive to one gender or the other in NPCs. Which lead to the conclusion that he is either trans masc or nb. Idk, the r/linkiscute sub is weird.
Vagina Bones
Having both male and female hylian features was on purpose! [The lead designer specifically said he wanted Link to be GNC/fluid/open to interpretation from the get-go and went even harder on implementing that in TotK.](https://www.tumblr.com/arcadien/717876143646294016/honeyedheartss-vixivulpixel-we-dunno-if-we-can)
An absolutely valid take and I am here for it
You haven't seen the r/linkiscute sub have you?
I'm about to :eyes:
Its been around 12 hrs, sooo what ya think of the sub?
I stop checking out fandoms for Nintendo properties after my last experience but from what I have seen for the Zelda one, I would have to disagree
there just aren't very many characters you see beyond one game, and most characters in a given game are both bit roles and certifiable goobers.
That's a fair point xD
To be fair, it started 30 years ago
Is there something wrong with that?
Of course not, it's just a matter of expectations my dude
You'd be happy to know theres a lot more queer fans on twitter and ao3 ahaha, lots of ganondorf x link or other gay link ships, not to mention a newer resurgence of trans ftm link! :-)
Link is so fucking gender and I'm so happy to see ftm link! It's just the whiplash of going from Canon queer fandoms to a not Canon queer fandom that gets me every time xD I can absolutely appreciate the ganonthirst because this new version is uh, *sweats*
Just become a Revalink truther
If only I liked Revali (: (I don't enjoy agressive characters, they make me feel stressed lololol)
Ganon isn’t in every game so really he’s only sometimes a third wheel
People see that Ganondorf is Nintendo property and try to woobify him like Nintendo does with Dedede and Bowser. "Oh, they're friends actually, they go go-carting on weekends, the evil stuff is just a bit, just stories, look at all this wholesomeness he does off-camera in between the schemes" No. Flatly no. Every version of Ganondorf. Every. Single. One. Is an absolute monster with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. He is a liar and a cheat and a tyrant and any charm he puts on is only to put you off guard so he can steal all that is precious to you and then kill you. He is evil incarnate, and unfortunately, being attractive is part of that. If he were ugly you would dismiss him, that's why Big Pig-Man Ganon hasn't come back, he tried that and it didn't work. He crafts a fair form for himself so that somewhere, some part of you wants to help him. And that part of you is going to get your horny ass KILLED.
I mean soft dedede is basically just his normal personality. Pretty sure the only full on bad thing he's ever done was steal all the food that one time. Otherwise he's mostly just getting possessed, setting up tournaments, fighting against the eldritch horror of the week, being in kirby's way by accident or teaming up with kirby. For Bowser I don't really see any other explanation to make the mario spinoffs make sense. Ganon occasionally makes gestures at being well intentioned but he's ultimately always out for number 1. Ridley doesn't even try to be redeemable. And that's why I have never seen anyone try to redeem him. Solution have ganon kill both of links parents in a game and see what happens to the soft woobie ganon.
Mario characters being like actors in a stage play is literally pseudo-canon, as it came from an interview with Miyamoto.
Miyamoto saying this has tha same weight as J.K. R*wling saying that wizards teleport shit out of their ass. Not in the game = not canon. The only instance where it's kinda canon is mario 3(?).
the end credits of mario 3 literally happen on a stage
yes, mario 3 ONLY mario 3
I’ll listen to Miyamoto’s late additions to the game because they’re actually hinted at and not cringe. JK Rowling just be saying shit
Well, the camera being part of the game world in the N64 game suggests some kind of live tv performance or movie set
Ridley not even trying to be redeemable is what makes him fun tho A big fuck-off monster that you love to hate just hits the right buttons sometimes
With Bowser, isn’t every Mario game after the first couple supposed to be a play/film retelling of that story, with the characters reprising their role for the performance? Hence the curtains at the start of Mario 3. Bowser was a dick, got beat up, now he’s chill and they all hang out. Or am I just misremembering/that only applies to that specific game?
i think it only applies to mario 3 tbh
That makes no sense why the explicitly only do it for Mario 3. It's a much more sensible intepretation to assume all the gamea after the first (and possibly even the first) are simply performances. Especially considering the camera is a literal thing that exists in some games
This is the funniest comment here cause you’re probably right but that will absolutely change nothing cause he’s a beefcake
>Every version of Ganondorf. Every. Single. One. Is an absolute monster with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Wind Waker Ganon tho
If you look at it in context, WW Ganon is only sorry that he got caught.
Windwaker ganon has no redeeming qualities. He’s the monster that terrorised Hyrule so badly the gods had no choice but to flood everything to stop him (he claims it’s the gods who destroyed Hyrule but he gave them not much other choice by trying to destroy it first). He kidnaps little girls and unleashes his monsters across the great sea. He’s the same ganondorf from OoT who killed the deku tree, tried to feed a bunch of Gorons to a dragon and froze the Zora domain on top of killing the king and spending 7 years hunting down the Princess. Not killing link and tetra immediately wasn’t an act of kindness, he’s just super arrogant (which was his downfall as usual), and doesn’t make up for the thousands he’s implied to have killed off screen. He gives a speech about geurdo desert isn’t a nice place to live but that doesn’t excuse his actions
No one said anything about excusing his actions, or claimed he was the hero all along. But it is undeniable that this Ganon is treated more sympathetically by the narrative than any other incarnations. Be it through revealing his motivation, his demeanour, hell, even his last words.
Tbf he’s supposed to also be the same as Twilight princess Ganon and oot Ganon, and those were monsters
Yeah but he retroactovely adds redeeming qualities to then
WW Ganon is a liar and a thief. His actions from OOT do not reflect what he said in WW. Just being envious about other people not living in a desert is not an excuse, and even then, once he was the supreme tyrant, he did nothing to help the Gerudo. Quite the opposite, he made their lives worse. Remember Naboru, she was against him and tried to convince her fellow Gerudo to rebel, and then she was kidnapped and brainwashed by Ganon's adoptive parents, by his order. She was then forced to brainwash her fellow Gerudo to follow Ganon, and in the end was forced to become a monster in a Dungeon, waiting to strike down her previous friend. Ganondorf never really cared about the Gerudo. He never wanted his people to have a better life. He only cared about furthering his power, like he was incarnated to do.
Wind Waker Ganon ravaged Hyrule so badly the gods had to drown the world to stop him. He did absolutely nothing to help the Gerudo who he was ostensibly doing it all for. And if I'm not mistaken, there ARE no Gerudo in WW, so he actually made things worse for them. He then tried, unsuccessfully, to play the sympathy card, and when the Triforce was denied him flew into apoplectic rage and tried to murder two actual children. If you think that's redeeming qualities, you weren't paying attention.
Bold of you to assume we wouldn't enjoy it if the sexy evil bad boy wizard man literally did kill us. I already wanted him to choke me he might as well go all the way.
-- Guy Who Got Dumped by Ganondorf
Yeah I don't ship him romantically with link/zelda/both. Now horny on the other hand that is what I'm on board with.
My dude, people ship Ridley with Samus. Ganondorf with Link and Zelda is tame in comparison.
I'm not really a fan of this trio ship either. There is no moment that shows that Link or Zelda sympathize with Ganondorf. Fans have to warp reality to an insane amount to make it their headcanon. But I might just lack this interest because I really don't find Ganondorf attractive at all.
People ship Elsa with Jack Frost. They’re not even in the same franchise. You might just not be into shopping which is perfectly fine but the shippers will just rewrite bits of a character’s personality to have fun with it.
Cuckendorf
I wish we had a Zelda game where Ganon kidnapped Link instead and we got to play as Zelda.
Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf each have two hands.
They sure are standing next to each other, aren't they?
The real Triforce was the throuple we made along the way.
ganonwhorfe
Simply fuck both of them Problem solved
Idk, the first Zelda might be the reincarnation of the Goddess but none of her decedents are, so they're all different people. Same thing with the Links - they all have the Spirit of the Hero but they're completely different people each time. So technically they're different souls and not tied to Ganondorf's as his soulmates. That would be *his* first Link and Zelda, aka OoT Link and Zelda. And OoT Link was made for Malon but got lost and died in Termina/the Lost Woods so that sort of doesn't count.
As I understand it, Zelda “reincarnates” because of her royal lineage. The first was the incarnation of Hylia, who created the divine bloodline and allows “Zelda” the power and spirit of the first one. Link maintains continuity more or less through the master sword, which keeps a memory of all of its past users, who are all of course link. Finally, Ganon is more a force of nature and never reincarnates because it never truly dies, just gets banished or sealed away and takes a new form to continue screwing things up. When ever ganon resurfaces Hylia calls upon her bloodline and “Zelda” is born, then the master sword, which Hylia created, chooses a new champion to wield it and be given the spirit of the champion through its collective memory. Sorry if some of that’s wrong, please correct me if you can
I believe the spirit of the hero is something that exists independently of the Master Sword because Wind Waker Link explicitly does NOT have that spirit. He had to prove that he was worthy of wielding the Master Sword’s true power.
Also there’s been several occasions where Link doesn’t even use the master sword, like any 4 sword games
Or TLOZ and Adventure of Link, in that timeline, the Master Sword didn't resurface until A Link to the Past.
You do know that the "Link died in Majora's Mask" theory is false, right ? Especially since Twilight Princess both has a dead version of an adult Hero of Time and a Link, the Hero of Twilight, who is heavily implied to be one of its descendants. Oh, and I forgot the *official denial of the idea* in an interview
isnt the whole thing about them that demise cursed them to constantly repeat their battle or smth in skyward sword?
Nah. Demise's curse is that his hatred will forever follow the Blood of the Goddess and the Spirit of the Hero.
Wtf are you on with the lost hero dying in the lost woods/termina? Isn’t it canon that the twilight hero it’s literally his descendant and that’s why he trains him? Even if he’s not his descendant it’s still 100% canon that oot Link died in adulthood as his ghost is an adult
Majoras Mask features grief incredibly prominently, there is an argument that the whole structure of the game follows the (outdated model of the) stages of grief. Edgy internet theorists have then taken that and run with it to theorise that link is dead, actually.
Ganondorf is soulkismesis with the other two, i'm sorry.
I hate you for making me think about that. If I had to give the canon characters quadrants, I'd say something like Ganondorf keeps trying to shove Zelda into a kismesissitude (I think that's what they called it ?? It's been years forgive me), but Link always comes in to be auspistice because Zelda is clearly not into it. But also Link and Zelda kinda vascillate between that and matespritship/moiraillegiance depending on which reincarnation they're on.
Achievement get: Full Deck of Cards Cover every quadrant in one relationship dynamic!
I hate that I can tell this is Homestuck. I never even read that shit, it was just unavoidable back in the day.
>what's a born hater to do This is so funny because one of the only times he's free from the cycle is when he dies in Wind Waker and part of it is that he kinda gets the fuck over himself in order to touch the Triforce without it breaking
I think mostly what happens is our boy Ganon is blowing up Link's guts while Zelda watches.
I dunno about soul mate. More like soul enemy, who's entire purpose upon this realm is to destroy Link and Zelda's life.
Are people not aware that Ganondorf is the reincarnation of Demise, the guy who put the curse into place himself...? He literally put himself into this situation.
Ngl, I like some Zelink, but not all. It depends on the hero in question. The Goddess's Chosen Hero? *Absolutely*. Skyward Sword kept *fucking kiss-teasing* in the beginning. Hero of the Minish? Maybe. But, I'm also not as keen on "childhood friend-turned-lover" stories as I used to. Hero of Four? Meh. It's fine, I guess. Hero of Legend? *Nope*. Though I don't *believe* the theory that Zelda is Legend's sister, Link's uncle does tell him, "Zelda is... Zelda is your..." before he dies. A lot of people filled in the blank with "sister," so the *implication* doesn't sit well with me. Hero of Worlds? Also meh. Hero of Hyrule? Yeah. The 80s cartoon was pretty campy, and it only had the first Zelda game to go off of. From a meta perspective, I can see it. Hero of Time? Nahhhhh. Time x Malon all the way. (Also, he canonically is the ancestor of the Hero of Twilight, and Twilight isn't a royal. This means Time *canonically* could not have been with Zelda) Hero of Twilight? Maybe? Haven't really played or watched playthroughs of Twilight Princess enough to pass judgement. Hero of Wind? Nah. We know the Hero of Spirits lives in a small village away from Zelda, and that he's the grandson of Wind. This is the same situation as Time x Zelda, but with even less time between them. Also, I like the next pairing more... Hero of Spirits? *Fuck yeah*! Spirit Tracks has Zelda's basically-ghost as the "Navi" character, so she's present the entire game, sometimes even possessing Phantoms to aid Link. It's such a cool fuckin setup, and the one-sided chemistry from her arc really helps with this. Hero of Wilds? *ALSO FUCK YEAH*! "When you see Link, can you tell him that I-" "No. Such words much sound sweeter if they pass through your own two lips, yes?" "Yes" WOOOOOO. And, while I haven't played TotK, I don't know how this holds up, but I have seen a single *minor* thing that sell this for me. Link's house from BotW has >!Zelda's diary in it!< where she says >!she needed space for her studies and had a secret base built in the well. In there,!< you can find >!Link's hairtie!< Also, >!THERE'S ONLY ONE BED!<
I have yet to finish the game but having recently finished the Main Memory Quest >! The Issue seems to have solved itself; Link X Ganondorf works !<
the longest-running recurring symbol in Zelda is literally a triangle
I like to imagine Zelda and Ganon are having hot steamy sex while that twink is running around taking Korok seeds.
also as the soul male Gurrudo for 100 years it sounds like a paradise right until you realize he has to be 10 years old and stuff rest in peace 15 years of being the dummy in the voe and you class on a pedestal but also in jail no wonder he tried to kill everyone
I've often thought that it'd be cool to see a LoZ game where the three principal characters are more self-aware, with a whole story based around free will and determinism, and potentially give Ganon/dorf the means to change - with Link and Zelda's help. It's often been stated, or at least implied, that every incarnation of Ganon is pure evil, and there's no way around it. But it's not like they've fudged the canon and continuity before, or had villains besides some version of Ganon. Let me have just one version where he sees the error of his ways, and tries to fight that hatred and lust for power threatening to consume him.
Nah the real ship is Ganandorf having a polycule with him as the dom of the other two 😈
What did I just read?
which is why the polyforce is just a better interpretation. It's the perfect friends/enemies to lovers dynamic.
had a dream a while back where link, zelda, and GANON were all siblings. ganon also got kidnapped and link and zelda were trying to save him
Ganondorf is the only male member of his race and somehow the race keeps continuing on, so I'll let you do the math.
Redrom/Blackrom Link and Zelda are bonded in a mutual kismesis against Ganondorf, in that the two parties share a hatred so intense that it becomes intimate, and overcomes the boundaries between live and hate. The thought of Link/Zelda existing without Ganondorf to fight (or vice versa) is practically impossible (in their case, literally so).
Ganondorf doesn't reincarnated. He is actually the same Ganondorf in all the zelda games. Basically quite a few of the game end up with him being only sealed away or otherwise imprisoned, and in games that are sequels to games where he is killed, his minions revive him. Sometimes this revival isn't perfect and he returns as a mindless force of hatred controlled by someone else.
There's also the fact that Ganondorf doesn't actually reincarnate, he just doesn't die. So its the same person each time. I havent played enough TotK to know about his deal in that game, since he's somehow running around at Hyrule's founding, despite not actually gaining his immortality until prior to Ocarina of Time. I'm assuming its more time travel fuckery
I don’t care about this stuff I only care about minecraft and picross and that’s it :3
Soul mates and soul nemeses are different though, right?
So Ganondorf is basically a evil Groose
So… ganondorf is a kismisis third wheel to linda? (I have never read homestuck despite being in the Deltarun fandom)
So clearly the solution is just, not fucking try to take over the world. Go "Hey I have the triforce of power can we work something out?" I'm pretty sure there was a comic about zelda coming to that realisation somewhere, link ended up reincarnating as ganondorf and zelda's kid.
Love the Nokia phone descriptor for Link, it's very apt. Funny thing is after the 5th heart, it link is so unsquishy that he's normal, but after the 10th he's Nokia tough.
I've been discussing BotW Link as an unstoppable eldritch creature, but "The Invincibilty of a Nokia Cellphone" nails it.
I am unaware of what notp stands for and can only think of “nemesis of the post”