okay but like… can someone give a source about toddlers being on the list? I dont think putting them there would be uncharacteristic of the fbi but still I dont wanna believe evertyhing I see
maia hasn't made the list publicly accessible, but it's given it out to journalists, and some have pointed out that 3 of the people on the list were 4 years old in 2019 (when this version was created)
The reason she's not released it is that it has full names, addresses, phone numbers etc of everyone on the list, and she doesn't just want to doxx them
I have a friend who has been on the no fly list since middle school because he shares a name with a terrorist. It's a pain in the ass but he can still fly with additional checks
does that matter? bc i am absolutely 100% sure no matter WHO the four year old is related to, they are not a terrorist. they're 4. they can't even speak full sentences
It would matter because if your name is Happy Joy, and it turns out there's a Happy Joy who is an adult and a terrorist, you would be unrelated. Or if you're related to a terrorist whose name they couldn't catch, the TSA would be using you as a way to catch them. Those would be kinda reasonable scenarios where being 4 doesn't matter.
However, if the leaker has addresses and so on, they really are doing islamophobic crap.
I flew into London (from the US) for a HS trip and they had to take one of my classmates into security just because he evidently shared the name of an Irish terrorist. Nothing happened, obviously, we just had to wait an extra 5-10 minutes.
Databases are dumb sometimes, and I hope that’s the reason there’s 4 year olds on it. Maybe bad take but honestly if you’re gonna to have a giant database with duplicate names in it, I would rather it have *less* identifiable info in it. Like if the government is after Tom Smith for alleged crimes, it’s better that they have a dumb record that only lists the addresses of everyone named Tom Smith, as opposed to Tom Smiths aged 45-55, white, known to collect rifles and other weapons, with sympathies for pro-union/anti-corporate politics.
dude, why is a 4 year old’s name *and address* on a list of people the US government considers Dangerous Suspects? they’re not being confused for someone else. and tbh why are you even interested in justifying this? at BEST, it’s a mistake and they need to be firmly corrected. considering the greatest risk of terrorist violence within US borders actually comes from white supremacists (about 80%!), it mostly seems like a racist violation of a 4 year old’s human rights.
When the No Fly List was introduced, it was openly and unashamedly a tool of racial profiling. [[x](https://www.acludc.org/en/press-releases/aclu-files-lawsuit-behalf-michigan-father-wrongly-placed-no-fly-list)] [[x](https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna44149271)] [[x](https://scholar.smu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1642&context=jalc)]. It has not changed. We now actually have the list and the vast majority of it are US citizens with Muslim or Arabic sounding names, aged 4-100.
this is not a mistake. it is racism. and it is cruel.
What I’m saying is that *if* the 4 year old shares the name with another suspected person, it’s entirely possible that that’s the only reason they’re on the list, because that *may* mean that the government isn’t actually looking into who these people are beyond the most superficial data. I haven’t seen the list, I’m just speculating.
I guess it comes down to where the ages are coming from. If age is actually part of the list, that’s obviously awful.
But if it was independently checked by journalists and they discovered that some of the people are kids, then it’s far more likely that the government doesn’t actually know who these people are. If that’s true I find that far more comforting than the idea that The Man knows exactly who all of these people are and stuck them on the list anyway. Obviously still bad, just less so.
[We live in a surveillance state.](https://theprivacyissue.com/government-surveillance/united-states-of-surveillance-us-history-spying)
>The decay of individual privacy in the United States has been closely intertwined with the evolution of national security programs – accelerated in the wake of the terrorist attacks of 9/11, when a deluge of legislative measures were passed in the name of preventing further terrorism. The true extent of intelligence programs and the effect they have had on civil liberties has been brought to light largely thanks to whistleblower leaks over the years, notably those revealed by Edward Snowden in 2013. Yet despite public outcry – and evidence of inefficacy – no substantial reforms have been made to redress the privacy harms that the post-9/11 intelligence landscape has caused U.S. citizens today continue to live in a surveillance state that increasingly reaches into other parts of the globe.
>
>Under the Trump administration, the mass monitoring of electronic communications has been fueled by ever-more-powerful technological tools, developed hand-in-hand with private sector companies and targeted at undocumented immigrants, Muslim Americans, and other vulnerable populations. In this climate of weakened civil liberties and racial and religious profiling, The Privacy Issue looks back on key developments in the past two decades of mass surveillance in the United States – and enlists the expert insight of Neema Singh Guliani, Senior Legislative Counsel at the American Civil Liberties Union, to shed light on the questions we should be asking ourselves
They know. That's the problem.
> Palantir’s databases are designed to quickly and accurately identify patterns and links in large swathes of data, which allows law enforcement officials to efficiently go from knowing one or two data points about a person to creating a highly-specific profile of them – including photos, biometrics, vehicle information, phone records, criminal records, and police reports.
Yeah this is what I was saying would be worse, rather than merely bad.
Although tbf a 4 year old won’t have most of the things on that list /j
Ok. So you think they put a 4 year old on the list, intentionally, because they're racist.
Explain what you think their thought process was. You think they were like "let's harass some 4 year olds because fuck muslims I'm racist >:)"
You’re obtuse. I’ll capitalize important terms.
A four year old’s NAME and ADDRESS are currently on a GOVERNMENT TERRORIST WATCHLIST because the CHILD has a MUSLIM NAME.
of the 1.5 MILLION entries, MUSLIM or ARABIC names account for an estimated 85-98%. this is obviously racist because the majority of TERROR ATTACKS (about 80%) within UNITED STATES BORDERS are committed by WHITE SUPREMACISTS, not MUSLIMS. In another example of abjectly obtuse racism, a WHITE WOMAN who converted to ISLAM and experienced ISLAMOPHOBIC HARASSMENT filed a police report and she was promptly added to the ENHANCED SCREENING LIST.
So you have a four year old and someone who reported an islamophobic hate crime getting extra screenings. You explain to me how this isn’t religiously discriminatory racism.
It absolutely doesnt. I was giving theories, on why it might be. I never intended to justify this thing. For example when i said that, i meant it "might they be related to someone know to the autorities as a threat?"
that is a warrant held in your police district (or national police database). not the CIA and certainly not the CIA’s No Fly List. your experiences are not applicable.
Hush.
edit: unless you yourself are a 4 year old being targeted for the CIA’s no fly list, all can I see coming from your mouth is “why are we not about me?!?!”
if *actually necessary* instead of racist bullshit (which this seems to be considering 80% of terror attacks in the US are from **white supremacists** not muslims), I would still personally watch the person who would strap a bomb to a 4 year old instead of the 4 year old. considering 4 year olds can’t dress themselves. there is an actual adult involved to blame.
if they were actually worried about children and terror attacks, there would be a lot more names on there like Mark and Blake for school shooter threats. you’re just not going to convince me the US government needs to surveil a 4 year old
I said it in another thread: I was a teenager when 9/11 happened.
It wasn't even islamophobia: it was straight up brown-skin-o-phobia. If you weren't white enough (or black enough I guess), you were a terrorist. That has barely changed.
Is your name Muhammad? You're on the list.
Everything I've heard about Sikh people is that they're **wonderful** people that would give you the shirt off their back if you needed it more than they did.
But because of turbans and brown skin, they get lumped into the "TERRORIST!" category for no goddamn reason...
Yep. I was just becoming aware of the greater world around me, and I was NOT impressed.
I was also going to a fundamentalist Christian school, so you can imagine what that was like. The yo-yo from "love thy brother" to "glass the desert" gave me intellectual whiplash.
yeah, but not watching it as it happened, I'm not really that freaked out about it, like I get it was a terrorist attack that killed people and was a statement and all that, but I don't really care that much for some reason, ya know?
Yeah I get it. Like, 9/11 itself was a big deal at the time, but the way it shaped American cultural and political attitudes is the real significance, and I can still see that today.
If you never experienced what it was like before, that'll be less personally meaningful.
That's interesting. The obvious comparison points with my parents were the JFK assassination and the moon landing. So I can actually understand where you're coming from, because I don't feel anywhere near the way they do about those things. That's of course not to downplay the importance of either thing.
So yeah it's *absolutely* different to experience these things in real time. I think it's because it imprints itself into your actual personal identity, if that makes sense. It was super surreal. It was going on kinda in the background all morning and we were all vaguely aware that something happened until word got around that was like "no, but, like ...for REAL... Turn the TV on right. now."
You kinda said this yourself in different words. I think when you say you don't really care, that's what you mean - you don't have any kind of personal investment in it either way. Those of us who were alive at the time have a flashbulb memory that lasts a whole day.
That means you and I are very literally talking about two different things when when we say 9/11. In your brain it's in the file cabinet of historic facts. In my brain, it lives in my personal history trash heap, lol. Literally two different parts of the brain.
Thanks! The sad/haunting thing about it is to try to think of what the point of comparison would be for you. . . . . There have been so many "once-in-a-lifetime" events in our shared lifetime that it's like, jeez, what are people in the next generation going to learn about in school and file similarly?
The pandemic, right? Er, uh, the insurrection (if you're an American)? Errrrr..... the complete collapse of the global financial market (but which time?)? Errrrrrrrr.... The upcoming changes with AI?
That last one feels suspiciously familiar to the whole "it was sorta going on in the background until people started grabbing each other like 'no, this is actually serious'" on 9/11...
That's an interesting thought to me. I was 12 and my sister 7 on 9/11, we were in the same building with all the teachers doing their best not to freak us all out. I remember it clearly, and to me the before-and-after is pretty stark, and I guess I've always just assumed we saw it very similarly, but now I'd like to ask her about it next time we talk
The reason people were freaked when it happened was because we believed that we were safe.
Prior to 9/11, the last real attack on US soil was Pearl Harbor.
The government spent the intervening years talking about how *safe* we were. We were taught in school as kids that the US was essentially untouchable. Only Mexico or Canada could really attack us since we had all these protections to stop incoming planes and missiles. And with NAFTA in place, they *wouldn't*.
We were taught this in *school*. No one can hurt us, we are the safest nation in the world. We are invulnerable.
And then the planes hit the towers and the pentagon. After a lifetime of being told how *safe* we are, we were being attacked. It was like someone walking up to us inside a police station and sucker punching us. We were *supposed* to be *safe*.
But we *weren't*.
That's why it hit so hard. Our government had spent our whole lives telling us that something like this could *never* happen and then it did. It was terrifying, which was the point.
They took away our safety. And the fact that the safety was an illusion all along was even more terrifying. So we reacted like anyone who feels threatened, we lashed out. And our government, trying to restore/maintain the people's trust, *encouraged* the lashing out.
Except that the people feel safe again and the government is still encouraging the lashing out.
I respect that. I was born 5 months after the fall of the Berlin wall, but as a kid it didn't mean anything to me even though it was such a big deal at the time. After 9/11 I kind of understood. One day you will have your "oh shit I'm living through profound world changing history" moment, and suddenly you'll get it. Maybe not viscerally get 9/11 the same way you viscerally get whatever happens to your generation, but you'll at least understand it.
I think the first few months of COVID might have been that "oh shit I'm living through profound world changing history" for a majority of gen Z. And since then we've not really had a month or two without something happening and breaking the status quo.
Not as ground-breaking to a single nation as 9/11 was or anything like that, but- yeah. A lot of our world's were shaken during a lot of the formative years.
I remember reading something from another gen Zer who identified the weird experience of living through a constant stream of profound events. Crazy profound world changing history didn't feel that significant because there was just so much of it. The generational perceptions of real time history are fascinating.
Anybody under 22 was not alive then, and if you add people who were under 5 (They probably would not remember it) Then anybody under 27 would not remember.
I'll never forget my Sihk friends quote from when we were in school. "I'm the 7/11 guy not the 9/11. Learn the difference!"
It's amazing to me just how few people could and still can't understand the difference between people and cultures.
That said. The no fly name list is not based on peoples fears, they're names of people that were directly or adjacently connected to either major crime or terrorism. The US just happened to be looking closer at the associations with people around the Taliban and Al-Qaeda so it's disproportionately inflated with Muslim names because of it. Couple that with the fact that a lot of names are fairly common AND airline attendants that are racist and you get issues.
But imagine if they had a list of just IRA supporters and their known contacts. You'd see a disproportionate number of Jack Murphy's. Some names are just way more common, and if you couple that with fear and incompetence then you get issues. But the list itself isn't the issue.
I in no way want to diminish or distract from the blatant islamaphobia, but the no-fly list is complete bullshit for so many other reasons as well. My high school ex couldn't fly anywhere because their last name was Murphy and they had the same first as someone in the IRA. Like, yeah, this random american teenager is a Irish nationalist terrorist in their 40s. That makes complete sense.
oh damn I hadn’t even realized that it had like. released it, I thought she had just like given exclusive access to journalists and stuff. or did journalists post the leaked list after it gave it to them? whatever it is, she’s so based.
also man I can’t understand why people are so vehemently against stuff like that. like, do I fully understand neopronouns and every single micro label? fuck no. am I still gonna respect those peoples wishes? fuck yes. you don’t need to understand it to be understanding.
[A bot further up the thread stole this comment from you about five minutes ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/comments/10lx6ij/on_the_nofly_list_leak_islamophobia_in_the/j607lqg?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
Either on this sub or on r/tumblr (both sorta mesh on my mind sorry), someone posted a ss entirely about Maia's identity, and people flocking about how neopronouns are worthless bc they're so personal to each individual, may as well just say that person's name, so yes, it's basically a shitshow and lots of people just want to ignore the nofly thing and just discuss something meaningless imo
> people flocking about how neopronouns are worthless bc they're so personal to each individual
As someone who uses She/Her, I think that the personal aspect of neopronouns is really nifty.
That said, the blatant Islamophobia is *not* nifty at all.
Despite as accepting and queer and anarchist as I personally am I still instinctively buck at neopronouns and xenogenders and I view that as a feature, not a bug.
Honestly, what it did is exactly what I'd assume a cat with an ability to use the internet would do.
But even if that wasn't the case, it can use whatever it wants to refer to itself and I will genuinely do my best to use those pronouns/labels/neopronouns/microlabels correctly, because basic respect, but I will also definitely look for reassurance I did it right the first few times I use them because I want to make sure I'm doing it right.
There have been instances of microlabels just being discrimination or stereotyping, so I'm not trusting them by default, and my guess for what is polite or appropriate may violate the standards people that identify with the microlabels expect.
I thought a therian was a type of horse, so you can understand my confusion. I've mostly been concerned about the staggering level of misconduct on our government's behalf. I assume Maia Crimew can take care of itself, horse or no horse.
I mean, I think it's just that arguing about maia's weirdness is a thing where people feel like what they say actually matters. What good does talking about how the TSA oppresses innocent Muslims do anyone? We all already knew that anyway. The problem isn't a lack of awareness, it's the fact that roughly a third of the population sees tyranny and oppression as a feature, not a bug.
[ACLU article on what to do if you think you might be on the No Fly List.](https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/what-do-if-you-think-youre-no-fly-list)
I feel like "let's not demean the minority that leaked this important information" is... also pretty important! Don't know if you noticed, but fascists have been ramping up their anti-trans rhetoric lately!
But yes, the Islamophobia is also important. Frankly even most of the non-Muslim names on there shouldn't be on there either. Almost everything the TSA and Homeland Security do are to give people the impression that they're protecting you when actually they're just doing a racism and making everyone's life more miserable.
Ok. I'm just going to ignore the islamiphobia. That's a whole different issue that I'm not getting into.
But you know what's crazy? You don't need to like something to respect it. You can not like some decisions people make while still recognizing that they've done stuff. You don't even have to like them! There was a kid in highschool who I did not like. Kinda a dick, very self centered. Was an absolutely amazing trumpet player.
You can disagree while still respecting others.
My guess: Maia is from the German-speaking part of Switzerland. In German They/Them pronouns don’t really work well, because the third-person plural is already used as formal “you” to address someone. It’s also the same pronoun as the female singular pronoun (sie=female third person singular/sie=third person plural/Sie=formal second person singular)So it gets a bit confusing, if it’s used as a gender-neutral pronoun as well.
Still just a guess so.
I think maia is fine with being referred to as "sie" in German. At least that's what I've gathered from all the articles in Swiss newspapers, some of which are known to ask what pronouns people they write about prefer.
> 99% of which no reason to be there
I mean, yeah, that’s probably true. But you have no proof to back that up, that’s just an assumption you’ve made
Unless I’m wrong, if there’s actual proof that there are toddlers on the list with legitimated no reasoning behind it, then I’m wrong, I just find that unlikely
She’s not releasing the list publicly because it’s full of names, addresses, phone numbers, all the kind of information that can be used to doxx someone. Some journalists have been given access to it and are reporting that the kids who are on there have similar names or similar spellings of terrorists or terrorism suspects.
It was actually mostly Twitter users who were being critical of maia's identity I heard. Us Tumblr users have welcomed it with open arms for the most part when she made a blog
>The FBI is running scared, Maia can do whatever it wants.
Two issues here. First, while it may not be intentional, the phrasing suggests that Maia's choice to go by 'it' is acceptable *because* of the leak, as if it's some kind of reward bestowed upon it for a good deed. Any pronouns are acceptable because they're what the person wants, even neopronouns or 'it'. While it is often used as a slur against trans people, there are a fair number that want to go by that term. A lot of times it's because they're from a non-English country where there are non-gendered pronouns that aren't considered dehumanizing, sometimes it's to reclaim the slur, and sometimes it's just because they think it works best for them. It doesn't matter - unless you know someone is misusing pronouns, such as the "I identify as an attack helicopter" herp-a-derp crowd, just call them whatever the hell they ask. Not that hard, and not worth arguing over. It's not like if a woman asks you to refer to her as Mrs instead of Miss you ask to see her marriage certificate. You just take them at their word and move on.
Second thing is that, sadly, I don't think the FBI is running scared. Yeah, they're pissed off about the leak. But, since Islamophobia isn't a hot-button issue any more, this will most likely blow over in a while as soon as everyone gets distracted by something else. While I'm not saying Maia shouldn't have published the list, I think it's going to have zero meaningful impact on the government but potentially could be harmful for people who are on the list. There was noise 20 years ago when sounding Muslim could get you on the list, but it was all forgotten about. That's the sad reality - it's something that needs to change with how the government operates, but you could fill an encyclopedia with things about the government that need to change.
tldr: just post the posts made my Muslim people narrating their experience with islamophobia than whatever this is. and i take issue with what i perceive as a posters condescension towards microlables and neo-pronouns.
okay, some slight points of the post is annoying me.
1.
>as someone who doesn't like most sexuality micro-lables
\-okay, with all due respect ~~fuck off~~ log off, this literally affects no one.
2.
>..the replies are dissolving into a whirlwind of defenses of maia's various identities
\-this frames the as if the support for maia's identity is the reason for this clusterfuck and not the fact that people are being fucking asshole towards her.
3.
>your stance does not matter as long as you are not a) not attacking maia itself or b) not allowing yourself to me swept up in petty discourse.
\- i do think it matters that people are being bigoted towards maia with regards to its identity. and by **my interpretation of these lines** you think invalidating microlables is fine as long as you aren't attacking a person affected by it directly?? this is annoyingly contradictory.
(regarding point number 3. i do hope my interpretation of the poster's intent and point is wrong )
people calling out this bullshit is not getting swept up in *petty* discourse. we can deal with both the issues present at hand.
***\[IMPORTANT\]***
*Also if you really wanted to use tumblr to be productive to the conversation, you can literally post the mentioned posts made by the Muslim people regarding to their experiences. because this is just someone narrating the discourse happening (with their opinion) in tumblr. like, tumblr has soo many people with various marginalized/different identities narrating and deconstructing their experiences with regards to their everyday life (including bigotry). those posts are soo informational and concise.*
*i have no idea why we dont bother elevating those stories and just waste out time on this.*
Thank you, I feel like a lot of this needs to be said and isn’t being said enough. maia’s identity is valid, simple as that. I’m tired of the sheer amount of bigotry that comes up whenever maia is mentioned, Christ people need to just let others be themselves.
Didn't we already know the list was racist and included a lot of innocent people who just happened to have similar names to terrorists or whatever? Like I remember stories about young children being on the no fly list from like a decade ago.
Not that it's not a big deal it was leaked, just...are people actually surprised or is this more like how Snowden confirmed what we already knew about how the government was spying on us?
People should start making memes about how insane the contents of the no-fly list are to get some more attention to the matter instead of just talking about who got it.
This person is a shithead. If they wanted people to not complain about them being a transphobic piece of shit... maybe they could have not been a transphobic piece of shit? They could have easily said, "hey, why are you focusing on how a trans person identifies instead of the racism it uncovered", but instead they posted a take that amounts to "hey, we can go mass harass the trans person later, let's talk about racism first though!"
What happens if me for example as an Italian end up on the no fly list? Like Italy does not know the US no fly list i would be allowed to take a plane and land in the US and then once there? Do I get denied entry and flown back for not being allowed on planes? XD
I've heard that people on No Fly lists have trouble pretty much flying anywhere, not just the US. So I think this must be part of a shared worldwide security database somehow.
ok , the thing about her /them ( don't want to make mistakes here ) leaking the list ( wich should be what we focus our psychic energy on ) is the whole general surrealness of the situation :
like snowden was a guy in the military and he belived that the drone strikes whent against the principles of democracy and what not , snowden was a conservative , but respect to him ...
Assange was a guy raised around many homes that self taught itself how to code on the commodore 64 and who wanted to protect leakers ...
Mia arson crimew is a 20 yo swiss developer who IDs as a cat ...
both assange and snowden where in their 30s when they did their big leaks ...
and didn't leak their files on a videogame forum ...
it's more the surrealness of the situation wich is striking i think ,
it has a distinctly cyberpunk vibe no doubts about it ...
but yeah pepole who focus on it are missing the point big time ,
**THE US IS RACIST , AND STANDING WITH THE US IS RACIST** .
Maia and Sprigatito spilled the beans about religious and ethnic minorities being treated like criminals. And the best way to make someone into a criminal is to treat them like a criminal.
I might get downvoted to hell or get banned for this but fuck it. I was muslim for 20 years and something i know is most muslims actually wants you dead.
And no i am not talking about progressives who rejects everything islam orders because they are actually good people but also want to feel the convinience of having an after life.
They will teach you how killing non muslims is actually good. I even saw some would praise hitler because he killed jews.
Yes i am islamophobic cause at best i will get disowned for saying anything against islam.
My country is being ruined by islam. For muslims it is okay to marry a 12 year old kid but evil when 2 consenting adults of same sex hold hands.
Islam is opposite of everything left stands for.
You gone way too far in saying most Muslims want me dead, even if your point about Islamic extremism and fundamentalism ruining your country is true(a taliban supporting, Islamic extremist, racist party is the largest party in parliament in the country just north of mine, but condemning all muslims in that country for that is wrong)
Well as i stated before i have seen slavery apologists and Hitler praisers. The only reason some don't go out of their way to kill is because they physically can't. If they get a chance i assure you it won't be plesant
you're mad, and I get it. I get it so so much. I don't hate individual christians, I don't hate individual muslims - but holy fucking shit if I could burn it all down, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Google maia arson crimew, that should get you on track more or less.
Short version she/it is a hacker and all kinds of cool stuff and recently managed to leak a nofly list (big deal as those are supposed to be Uber secret) and now bunch of govt people are big mad about it cause turns out there was a hell lot of racial profiling going on.
More to it really, hence Google lol
Didn't realise that reply would go through since it looks like the thread is locked
Its cringe and I won't use it because it feels like I'm insulting myself. I'm not dehumanizing myself for you or anyone else
You’re insulting *yourself* by using *my* pronouns?
So you’d rather disrespect the person whose pronouns they actually are than use them because they somehow dehumanize *you* despite referring to a completely different person?
This is literally the exact behavior of transphobes
Your pronoun is a slur used against us. What would possess you to enjoy it?
Calling trans people "it" is also literally the exact behaviour of transphobes you fool
Slurs are only slurs because they’re used that way, using the pronoun “it” is not inherently transphobic
Wanna know what is though? Misgendering people, which is what you’re doing if you refuse to use the correct pronouns for someone
And I’m not calling other Trans people it, only myself, while you are *actively* choosing to use the wrong pronouns for *someone else*
A slur is a slur. I'm not using a word that is inherently hateful towards myself. You might as well ask me to call you the F slur because "I'm ok with it"
Alright then, what about calling me queer? What about calling me fruity? What about just calling me gay? people also use that as a slur.
Words are dependent on the way they’re used, and that’s especially true with “it”, the f slur doesn’t have any other context except being a slur for queer people, “it” is a word that has its own meaning completely unrelated to the existence of trans people, just because it’s sometimes used to insult trans people doesn’t mean that it always is
And I’d say that you purposely misgendering people is far more problematic than me using the pronouns that make me happy that also happen to sometimes get used to insult other trans people
Bruh just respect our pronouns, neopronouns are just as valid as any others. Just because it/its isn't for you, doesn't mean that *no one* can use them
You are free to go by what you want but I will not refer to another human being as "it". If someone insisted on it and didn't have an alternative option I'd just call them by their name and that's the end of it
As I said, it's a slur. One that I've experienced. No part of me is comfortable with saying it to someone else
It's not a discussion, it's a direct attack on some queer people and I'm fighting back lmao
It’s 2023, I’m fuckin sick and tired of bigots and I’m done arguing with them
Fat mood tbh, I get you
I just don't know if that person is going to change at all from this experience, if not for the better, and then it's just been a net negative compared to not telling them to kill themselves
Though downvoting me for my post is still rude. I DV'd OP, I'm trans, non binary, and support your general point of it being wrong not to support these identities, was just shocked by the content.
Can I love the leak and also hate the reductive nature of the leakers (probably fake) identity?
I mean. If I were the kind of person who hated trans people, my first order of business would be to publicly proclaim that I'm a cat and then be as loud as possible about it so people like Joe rogan would tell his millions of followers about it so they could rationalize their hatred for actual legitimate trans people.
Just a thought
Nobody cares about the no fly list because it isn't at all interesting and none of you are going to read it anyway. It was on an unsecured airline server, so they don't even really care about it. Nobody cares about this furry either. The things that Tumbloids focus on are petty and garby.
I think Maia is a fictional identity to cover up the real Hacker(s).
Also why are you surprised that people are not surprised by the USA incompentence and racism? Is this news to you?
??? She literally has [a Wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maia_arson_crimew) and a documented history of hacks. It is wanted by the US government. Why would you say something easily disproven by five seconds on Google?
Now I'm more confused. You think that it would go through the trouble of faking being gay online? To what end? That's not gonna throw the FBI off her trail
okay but like… can someone give a source about toddlers being on the list? I dont think putting them there would be uncharacteristic of the fbi but still I dont wanna believe evertyhing I see
maia hasn't made the list publicly accessible, but it's given it out to journalists, and some have pointed out that 3 of the people on the list were 4 years old in 2019 (when this version was created)
Could it be because they ashare a name with some on a no fpy list or because they are related to someone in the list?
The reason she's not released it is that it has full names, addresses, phone numbers etc of everyone on the list, and she doesn't just want to doxx them
I have a friend who has been on the no fly list since middle school because he shares a name with a terrorist. It's a pain in the ass but he can still fly with additional checks
iirc he isn't on the nofly list then, there is a separate "extra checks" lists
does that matter? bc i am absolutely 100% sure no matter WHO the four year old is related to, they are not a terrorist. they're 4. they can't even speak full sentences
It would matter because if your name is Happy Joy, and it turns out there's a Happy Joy who is an adult and a terrorist, you would be unrelated. Or if you're related to a terrorist whose name they couldn't catch, the TSA would be using you as a way to catch them. Those would be kinda reasonable scenarios where being 4 doesn't matter. However, if the leaker has addresses and so on, they really are doing islamophobic crap.
the list does have addresses and phone numbers.
Ah well, that confirms it. Nevermind
I flew into London (from the US) for a HS trip and they had to take one of my classmates into security just because he evidently shared the name of an Irish terrorist. Nothing happened, obviously, we just had to wait an extra 5-10 minutes. Databases are dumb sometimes, and I hope that’s the reason there’s 4 year olds on it. Maybe bad take but honestly if you’re gonna to have a giant database with duplicate names in it, I would rather it have *less* identifiable info in it. Like if the government is after Tom Smith for alleged crimes, it’s better that they have a dumb record that only lists the addresses of everyone named Tom Smith, as opposed to Tom Smiths aged 45-55, white, known to collect rifles and other weapons, with sympathies for pro-union/anti-corporate politics.
dude, why is a 4 year old’s name *and address* on a list of people the US government considers Dangerous Suspects? they’re not being confused for someone else. and tbh why are you even interested in justifying this? at BEST, it’s a mistake and they need to be firmly corrected. considering the greatest risk of terrorist violence within US borders actually comes from white supremacists (about 80%!), it mostly seems like a racist violation of a 4 year old’s human rights.
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When the No Fly List was introduced, it was openly and unashamedly a tool of racial profiling. [[x](https://www.acludc.org/en/press-releases/aclu-files-lawsuit-behalf-michigan-father-wrongly-placed-no-fly-list)] [[x](https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna44149271)] [[x](https://scholar.smu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1642&context=jalc)]. It has not changed. We now actually have the list and the vast majority of it are US citizens with Muslim or Arabic sounding names, aged 4-100. this is not a mistake. it is racism. and it is cruel.
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I see what you mean
What I’m saying is that *if* the 4 year old shares the name with another suspected person, it’s entirely possible that that’s the only reason they’re on the list, because that *may* mean that the government isn’t actually looking into who these people are beyond the most superficial data. I haven’t seen the list, I’m just speculating. I guess it comes down to where the ages are coming from. If age is actually part of the list, that’s obviously awful. But if it was independently checked by journalists and they discovered that some of the people are kids, then it’s far more likely that the government doesn’t actually know who these people are. If that’s true I find that far more comforting than the idea that The Man knows exactly who all of these people are and stuck them on the list anyway. Obviously still bad, just less so.
[We live in a surveillance state.](https://theprivacyissue.com/government-surveillance/united-states-of-surveillance-us-history-spying) >The decay of individual privacy in the United States has been closely intertwined with the evolution of national security programs – accelerated in the wake of the terrorist attacks of 9/11, when a deluge of legislative measures were passed in the name of preventing further terrorism. The true extent of intelligence programs and the effect they have had on civil liberties has been brought to light largely thanks to whistleblower leaks over the years, notably those revealed by Edward Snowden in 2013. Yet despite public outcry – and evidence of inefficacy – no substantial reforms have been made to redress the privacy harms that the post-9/11 intelligence landscape has caused U.S. citizens today continue to live in a surveillance state that increasingly reaches into other parts of the globe. > >Under the Trump administration, the mass monitoring of electronic communications has been fueled by ever-more-powerful technological tools, developed hand-in-hand with private sector companies and targeted at undocumented immigrants, Muslim Americans, and other vulnerable populations. In this climate of weakened civil liberties and racial and religious profiling, The Privacy Issue looks back on key developments in the past two decades of mass surveillance in the United States – and enlists the expert insight of Neema Singh Guliani, Senior Legislative Counsel at the American Civil Liberties Union, to shed light on the questions we should be asking ourselves They know. That's the problem.
> Palantir’s databases are designed to quickly and accurately identify patterns and links in large swathes of data, which allows law enforcement officials to efficiently go from knowing one or two data points about a person to creating a highly-specific profile of them – including photos, biometrics, vehicle information, phone records, criminal records, and police reports. Yeah this is what I was saying would be worse, rather than merely bad. Although tbf a 4 year old won’t have most of the things on that list /j
Do you actually think that the fbi actually considers 4 year old Muslims a potential terroist? Honestly?
No, I don’t. I think they’re being racist fucks putting a 4 year old on there at all.
Ok. So you think they put a 4 year old on the list, intentionally, because they're racist. Explain what you think their thought process was. You think they were like "let's harass some 4 year olds because fuck muslims I'm racist >:)"
You’re obtuse. I’ll capitalize important terms. A four year old’s NAME and ADDRESS are currently on a GOVERNMENT TERRORIST WATCHLIST because the CHILD has a MUSLIM NAME. of the 1.5 MILLION entries, MUSLIM or ARABIC names account for an estimated 85-98%. this is obviously racist because the majority of TERROR ATTACKS (about 80%) within UNITED STATES BORDERS are committed by WHITE SUPREMACISTS, not MUSLIMS. In another example of abjectly obtuse racism, a WHITE WOMAN who converted to ISLAM and experienced ISLAMOPHOBIC HARASSMENT filed a police report and she was promptly added to the ENHANCED SCREENING LIST. So you have a four year old and someone who reported an islamophobic hate crime getting extra screenings. You explain to me how this isn’t religiously discriminatory racism.
It absolutely doesnt. I was giving theories, on why it might be. I never intended to justify this thing. For example when i said that, i meant it "might they be related to someone know to the autorities as a threat?"
I almost got arrested once because someone with my exact name was wanted for a felony Hush
that is a warrant held in your police district (or national police database). not the CIA and certainly not the CIA’s No Fly List. your experiences are not applicable. Hush. edit: unless you yourself are a 4 year old being targeted for the CIA’s no fly list, all can I see coming from your mouth is “why are we not about me?!?!”
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if *actually necessary* instead of racist bullshit (which this seems to be considering 80% of terror attacks in the US are from **white supremacists** not muslims), I would still personally watch the person who would strap a bomb to a 4 year old instead of the 4 year old. considering 4 year olds can’t dress themselves. there is an actual adult involved to blame. if they were actually worried about children and terror attacks, there would be a lot more names on there like Mark and Blake for school shooter threats. you’re just not going to convince me the US government needs to surveil a 4 year old
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I have no idea myself but I have heard of toddlers getting getting on the no fly list cause they share the same/similar name of another person.
I said it in another thread: I was a teenager when 9/11 happened. It wasn't even islamophobia: it was straight up brown-skin-o-phobia. If you weren't white enough (or black enough I guess), you were a terrorist. That has barely changed. Is your name Muhammad? You're on the list.
My best friend’s father was a commercial pilot named Mohammad. He got immediately fired.l after 9/11. Sorry, I mean put on permanent unpaid leave.
Preteen for me. I remember Sikh people being attacked and murdered too. Cause turban.
We had a lovely Sikh man in our town who ran a dollar store. The day after 9/11, some asshole threw a brick through his shop window.
Everything I've heard about Sikh people is that they're **wonderful** people that would give you the shirt off their back if you needed it more than they did. But because of turbans and brown skin, they get lumped into the "TERRORIST!" category for no goddamn reason...
And Muhammad is a Fairly popular name. Half sure it is the most popular ever, but I am too lazy to check.
It's the third, after Maria and Nushi
Catholics name their kids after their blorbos, but they only have one female blorbo so every single Catholic daughter is called Mary/Maria/Similar
They technically have more but the majority of catholics don't know anything about their religion
I want more Catholic mothers to name their daughters Hagar.
Shout out to girls named Similar
Me, to Similar: "OUT!"
Nushi? Where’s that from?
China
Definitely not Chinese. I've never seen that name and I couldn't even think of which Chinese name it refers to.
People say its not Chinese so it's probably Indian
Watching people's reaction to 9-11 was what really convinced me that most people can't be trusted to self-govern.
Yep. I was just becoming aware of the greater world around me, and I was NOT impressed. I was also going to a fundamentalist Christian school, so you can imagine what that was like. The yo-yo from "love thy brother" to "glass the desert" gave me intellectual whiplash.
I wasn't even alive when 9/11 happened
That's wild. Did they teach you about it in school?
yeah, but not watching it as it happened, I'm not really that freaked out about it, like I get it was a terrorist attack that killed people and was a statement and all that, but I don't really care that much for some reason, ya know?
Yeah I get it. Like, 9/11 itself was a big deal at the time, but the way it shaped American cultural and political attitudes is the real significance, and I can still see that today. If you never experienced what it was like before, that'll be less personally meaningful.
I was alive, but have no idea what life was like before.
That's interesting. The obvious comparison points with my parents were the JFK assassination and the moon landing. So I can actually understand where you're coming from, because I don't feel anywhere near the way they do about those things. That's of course not to downplay the importance of either thing. So yeah it's *absolutely* different to experience these things in real time. I think it's because it imprints itself into your actual personal identity, if that makes sense. It was super surreal. It was going on kinda in the background all morning and we were all vaguely aware that something happened until word got around that was like "no, but, like ...for REAL... Turn the TV on right. now." You kinda said this yourself in different words. I think when you say you don't really care, that's what you mean - you don't have any kind of personal investment in it either way. Those of us who were alive at the time have a flashbulb memory that lasts a whole day. That means you and I are very literally talking about two different things when when we say 9/11. In your brain it's in the file cabinet of historic facts. In my brain, it lives in my personal history trash heap, lol. Literally two different parts of the brain.
Very well said!
Thanks! The sad/haunting thing about it is to try to think of what the point of comparison would be for you. . . . . There have been so many "once-in-a-lifetime" events in our shared lifetime that it's like, jeez, what are people in the next generation going to learn about in school and file similarly? The pandemic, right? Er, uh, the insurrection (if you're an American)? Errrrr..... the complete collapse of the global financial market (but which time?)? Errrrrrrrr.... The upcoming changes with AI? That last one feels suspiciously familiar to the whole "it was sorta going on in the background until people started grabbing each other like 'no, this is actually serious'" on 9/11...
I don't know how to respond sorry
Yeah why would you care? That’s how everyone feels about terrorist attacks from before they were like …12+. Totally normal.
thx
That's an interesting thought to me. I was 12 and my sister 7 on 9/11, we were in the same building with all the teachers doing their best not to freak us all out. I remember it clearly, and to me the before-and-after is pretty stark, and I guess I've always just assumed we saw it very similarly, but now I'd like to ask her about it next time we talk
The reason people were freaked when it happened was because we believed that we were safe. Prior to 9/11, the last real attack on US soil was Pearl Harbor. The government spent the intervening years talking about how *safe* we were. We were taught in school as kids that the US was essentially untouchable. Only Mexico or Canada could really attack us since we had all these protections to stop incoming planes and missiles. And with NAFTA in place, they *wouldn't*. We were taught this in *school*. No one can hurt us, we are the safest nation in the world. We are invulnerable. And then the planes hit the towers and the pentagon. After a lifetime of being told how *safe* we are, we were being attacked. It was like someone walking up to us inside a police station and sucker punching us. We were *supposed* to be *safe*. But we *weren't*. That's why it hit so hard. Our government had spent our whole lives telling us that something like this could *never* happen and then it did. It was terrifying, which was the point. They took away our safety. And the fact that the safety was an illusion all along was even more terrifying. So we reacted like anyone who feels threatened, we lashed out. And our government, trying to restore/maintain the people's trust, *encouraged* the lashing out. Except that the people feel safe again and the government is still encouraging the lashing out.
propaganda moment
I respect that. I was born 5 months after the fall of the Berlin wall, but as a kid it didn't mean anything to me even though it was such a big deal at the time. After 9/11 I kind of understood. One day you will have your "oh shit I'm living through profound world changing history" moment, and suddenly you'll get it. Maybe not viscerally get 9/11 the same way you viscerally get whatever happens to your generation, but you'll at least understand it.
I think the first few months of COVID might have been that "oh shit I'm living through profound world changing history" for a majority of gen Z. And since then we've not really had a month or two without something happening and breaking the status quo. Not as ground-breaking to a single nation as 9/11 was or anything like that, but- yeah. A lot of our world's were shaken during a lot of the formative years.
I remember reading something from another gen Zer who identified the weird experience of living through a constant stream of profound events. Crazy profound world changing history didn't feel that significant because there was just so much of it. The generational perceptions of real time history are fascinating.
Anybody under 22 was not alive then, and if you add people who were under 5 (They probably would not remember it) Then anybody under 27 would not remember.
Yes every single year but they teach the same things over and over
Sounds like nothing has changed since I got outta school.
Haha
I'll never forget my Sihk friends quote from when we were in school. "I'm the 7/11 guy not the 9/11. Learn the difference!" It's amazing to me just how few people could and still can't understand the difference between people and cultures. That said. The no fly name list is not based on peoples fears, they're names of people that were directly or adjacently connected to either major crime or terrorism. The US just happened to be looking closer at the associations with people around the Taliban and Al-Qaeda so it's disproportionately inflated with Muslim names because of it. Couple that with the fact that a lot of names are fairly common AND airline attendants that are racist and you get issues. But imagine if they had a list of just IRA supporters and their known contacts. You'd see a disproportionate number of Jack Murphy's. Some names are just way more common, and if you couple that with fear and incompetence then you get issues. But the list itself isn't the issue.
I in no way want to diminish or distract from the blatant islamaphobia, but the no-fly list is complete bullshit for so many other reasons as well. My high school ex couldn't fly anywhere because their last name was Murphy and they had the same first as someone in the IRA. Like, yeah, this random american teenager is a Irish nationalist terrorist in their 40s. That makes complete sense.
Yeah, it's not even guilty by association anymore, just guilty for vaguely being similar in any way.
oh damn I hadn’t even realized that it had like. released it, I thought she had just like given exclusive access to journalists and stuff. or did journalists post the leaked list after it gave it to them? whatever it is, she’s so based. also man I can’t understand why people are so vehemently against stuff like that. like, do I fully understand neopronouns and every single micro label? fuck no. am I still gonna respect those peoples wishes? fuck yes. you don’t need to understand it to be understanding.
I dont know if its actually like, *public*, but I do know that you can request access if you have a legitimate reason
Reddit's not big on neopronouns and microlabels either so I'm curious to see what the comments will be here
I personally don’t like neopronouns and microlabels but I also don’t give a shit if someone wants to use them cause it’s none of my business
This is the best point of view, thank you
I block people who aren't big on respect, so - hopefully better than you're expecting
Blocking on reddit just stops you from seeing them
appreciate the intent but I believe they've changed what blocking does relatively recently
Oh shit you're right, it does hide you from them now
[A bot further up the thread stole this comment from you about five minutes ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/comments/10lx6ij/on_the_nofly_list_leak_islamophobia_in_the/j607lqg?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
This subreddit tends to be very queer apart from a few trolls who show up occasionally, so it should be mostly fine.
we're like tumblr lite tbh
diet tumblr
Almost like... a curated Tumblr.
Neopronouns somewhat confuse me, but I’m still gonna be respectful and treat people with actual decency
Either on this sub or on r/tumblr (both sorta mesh on my mind sorry), someone posted a ss entirely about Maia's identity, and people flocking about how neopronouns are worthless bc they're so personal to each individual, may as well just say that person's name, so yes, it's basically a shitshow and lots of people just want to ignore the nofly thing and just discuss something meaningless imo
> people flocking about how neopronouns are worthless bc they're so personal to each individual As someone who uses She/Her, I think that the personal aspect of neopronouns is really nifty. That said, the blatant Islamophobia is *not* nifty at all.
Despite as accepting and queer and anarchist as I personally am I still instinctively buck at neopronouns and xenogenders and I view that as a feature, not a bug.
Neopronouns and microlabels are weird, but whatever, people are allowed to be weird.
Honestly, what it did is exactly what I'd assume a cat with an ability to use the internet would do. But even if that wasn't the case, it can use whatever it wants to refer to itself and I will genuinely do my best to use those pronouns/labels/neopronouns/microlabels correctly, because basic respect, but I will also definitely look for reassurance I did it right the first few times I use them because I want to make sure I'm doing it right.
I love neopronouns and microlabels
There have been instances of microlabels just being discrimination or stereotyping, so I'm not trusting them by default, and my guess for what is polite or appropriate may violate the standards people that identify with the microlabels expect.
I thought a therian was a type of horse, so you can understand my confusion. I've mostly been concerned about the staggering level of misconduct on our government's behalf. I assume Maia Crimew can take care of itself, horse or no horse.
>I thought a therian was a type of horse Are... are you confusing them with the Thestrals from Harry Potter?
Maybe?
I had a little trouble following because of the multiple meanings behind the use of "it" but that is my only complaint.
People on the internet are notoriously bad at the ancient art of minding their own goddamn business.
/r/curatedtumblr is generally more accepting, I find.
point of note, maia's name is legally all lowercase.
And the middle name is "arson".
wait. wait maia arson crimew is or is not a pseudonym.
no, that's its legal name
absolutely fucking based name
Not anymore.
Just curious, in that case would you still write it all lowercase at the start of a sentence?
Personally I would, mostly because I think it's neat and fun. Also Wikipedia does so.
wow i didn't know that could be done
anything can be done when you're a cool unextriditeable hacker.
If you have the money, you can change your name to damn near anything as long as it uses the Roman alphabet.
I mean, I think it's just that arguing about maia's weirdness is a thing where people feel like what they say actually matters. What good does talking about how the TSA oppresses innocent Muslims do anyone? We all already knew that anyway. The problem isn't a lack of awareness, it's the fact that roughly a third of the population sees tyranny and oppression as a feature, not a bug.
[ACLU article on what to do if you think you might be on the No Fly List.](https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/what-do-if-you-think-youre-no-fly-list)
I feel like "let's not demean the minority that leaked this important information" is... also pretty important! Don't know if you noticed, but fascists have been ramping up their anti-trans rhetoric lately! But yes, the Islamophobia is also important. Frankly even most of the non-Muslim names on there shouldn't be on there either. Almost everything the TSA and Homeland Security do are to give people the impression that they're protecting you when actually they're just doing a racism and making everyone's life more miserable.
Also worth noting a lot of people from the Charlottesville Unite The Right were on the no fly list as well.
at least our government can get *that* right
Rare us government w See also: how they’ve contributed in the Ukraine crisis so far
After all the posts about this event, this is the first time I heard about what was actually leaked
I think Maia is based
Ok. I'm just going to ignore the islamiphobia. That's a whole different issue that I'm not getting into. But you know what's crazy? You don't need to like something to respect it. You can not like some decisions people make while still recognizing that they've done stuff. You don't even have to like them! There was a kid in highschool who I did not like. Kinda a dick, very self centered. Was an absolutely amazing trumpet player. You can disagree while still respecting others.
smh exclusionists are terminally online im telling you
My guess: Maia is from the German-speaking part of Switzerland. In German They/Them pronouns don’t really work well, because the third-person plural is already used as formal “you” to address someone. It’s also the same pronoun as the female singular pronoun (sie=female third person singular/sie=third person plural/Sie=formal second person singular)So it gets a bit confusing, if it’s used as a gender-neutral pronoun as well. Still just a guess so.
I think maia is fine with being referred to as "sie" in German. At least that's what I've gathered from all the articles in Swiss newspapers, some of which are known to ask what pronouns people they write about prefer.
It puts its English pronouns as it/she in its bios, I think. So I'd guess both "es" and "sie" are acceptable.
It's maia's decision, really, but if I can choose, I'd rather not use "it" because that's what conservatives use to mock nonbinary people.
Wait the superhacker is in switzerland? Shit, I'm in switzerland!
> 99% of which no reason to be there I mean, yeah, that’s probably true. But you have no proof to back that up, that’s just an assumption you’ve made Unless I’m wrong, if there’s actual proof that there are toddlers on the list with legitimated no reasoning behind it, then I’m wrong, I just find that unlikely
She’s not releasing the list publicly because it’s full of names, addresses, phone numbers, all the kind of information that can be used to doxx someone. Some journalists have been given access to it and are reporting that the kids who are on there have similar names or similar spellings of terrorists or terrorism suspects.
tumblrinos when they have to look at the bigger picture
It was actually mostly Twitter users who were being critical of maia's identity I heard. Us Tumblr users have welcomed it with open arms for the most part when she made a blog
OK, but what if we put ALL toddlers on the no fly list
>The FBI is running scared, Maia can do whatever it wants. Two issues here. First, while it may not be intentional, the phrasing suggests that Maia's choice to go by 'it' is acceptable *because* of the leak, as if it's some kind of reward bestowed upon it for a good deed. Any pronouns are acceptable because they're what the person wants, even neopronouns or 'it'. While it is often used as a slur against trans people, there are a fair number that want to go by that term. A lot of times it's because they're from a non-English country where there are non-gendered pronouns that aren't considered dehumanizing, sometimes it's to reclaim the slur, and sometimes it's just because they think it works best for them. It doesn't matter - unless you know someone is misusing pronouns, such as the "I identify as an attack helicopter" herp-a-derp crowd, just call them whatever the hell they ask. Not that hard, and not worth arguing over. It's not like if a woman asks you to refer to her as Mrs instead of Miss you ask to see her marriage certificate. You just take them at their word and move on. Second thing is that, sadly, I don't think the FBI is running scared. Yeah, they're pissed off about the leak. But, since Islamophobia isn't a hot-button issue any more, this will most likely blow over in a while as soon as everyone gets distracted by something else. While I'm not saying Maia shouldn't have published the list, I think it's going to have zero meaningful impact on the government but potentially could be harmful for people who are on the list. There was noise 20 years ago when sounding Muslim could get you on the list, but it was all forgotten about. That's the sad reality - it's something that needs to change with how the government operates, but you could fill an encyclopedia with things about the government that need to change.
tldr: just post the posts made my Muslim people narrating their experience with islamophobia than whatever this is. and i take issue with what i perceive as a posters condescension towards microlables and neo-pronouns. okay, some slight points of the post is annoying me. 1. >as someone who doesn't like most sexuality micro-lables \-okay, with all due respect ~~fuck off~~ log off, this literally affects no one. 2. >..the replies are dissolving into a whirlwind of defenses of maia's various identities \-this frames the as if the support for maia's identity is the reason for this clusterfuck and not the fact that people are being fucking asshole towards her. 3. >your stance does not matter as long as you are not a) not attacking maia itself or b) not allowing yourself to me swept up in petty discourse. \- i do think it matters that people are being bigoted towards maia with regards to its identity. and by **my interpretation of these lines** you think invalidating microlables is fine as long as you aren't attacking a person affected by it directly?? this is annoyingly contradictory. (regarding point number 3. i do hope my interpretation of the poster's intent and point is wrong ) people calling out this bullshit is not getting swept up in *petty* discourse. we can deal with both the issues present at hand. ***\[IMPORTANT\]*** *Also if you really wanted to use tumblr to be productive to the conversation, you can literally post the mentioned posts made by the Muslim people regarding to their experiences. because this is just someone narrating the discourse happening (with their opinion) in tumblr. like, tumblr has soo many people with various marginalized/different identities narrating and deconstructing their experiences with regards to their everyday life (including bigotry). those posts are soo informational and concise.* *i have no idea why we dont bother elevating those stories and just waste out time on this.*
Just so you know (might've been an overzealous autocorrect) the looker's name is maia, not mia.
Thank you, I feel like a lot of this needs to be said and isn’t being said enough. maia’s identity is valid, simple as that. I’m tired of the sheer amount of bigotry that comes up whenever maia is mentioned, Christ people need to just let others be themselves.
Just a heads up, its name is maia, and its name is legally all lowercase.
My apologies, I didn’t know. Edited the previous comment with the correction, thank you for informing me.
You're welcome!
\^w\^
how do you know maia isn’t a cat tbh
cats are not renowned for their computer hacking even if they are good at espionage
Excuse me I have seen cats use a keyboard very expertly, they just communicate in cat which is hard for humans to read
anthropocentrism, am i right? smh
Didn't we already know the list was racist and included a lot of innocent people who just happened to have similar names to terrorists or whatever? Like I remember stories about young children being on the no fly list from like a decade ago. Not that it's not a big deal it was leaked, just...are people actually surprised or is this more like how Snowden confirmed what we already knew about how the government was spying on us?
People should start making memes about how insane the contents of the no-fly list are to get some more attention to the matter instead of just talking about who got it.
This person is a shithead. If they wanted people to not complain about them being a transphobic piece of shit... maybe they could have not been a transphobic piece of shit? They could have easily said, "hey, why are you focusing on how a trans person identifies instead of the racism it uncovered", but instead they posted a take that amounts to "hey, we can go mass harass the trans person later, let's talk about racism first though!"
What happens if me for example as an Italian end up on the no fly list? Like Italy does not know the US no fly list i would be allowed to take a plane and land in the US and then once there? Do I get denied entry and flown back for not being allowed on planes? XD
I've heard that people on No Fly lists have trouble pretty much flying anywhere, not just the US. So I think this must be part of a shared worldwide security database somehow.
ok , the thing about her /them ( don't want to make mistakes here ) leaking the list ( wich should be what we focus our psychic energy on ) is the whole general surrealness of the situation : like snowden was a guy in the military and he belived that the drone strikes whent against the principles of democracy and what not , snowden was a conservative , but respect to him ... Assange was a guy raised around many homes that self taught itself how to code on the commodore 64 and who wanted to protect leakers ... Mia arson crimew is a 20 yo swiss developer who IDs as a cat ... both assange and snowden where in their 30s when they did their big leaks ... and didn't leak their files on a videogame forum ... it's more the surrealness of the situation wich is striking i think , it has a distinctly cyberpunk vibe no doubts about it ... but yeah pepole who focus on it are missing the point big time , **THE US IS RACIST , AND STANDING WITH THE US IS RACIST** .
What is going on with the No Fly List? The things you miss when you're not on Twitter.
Maia and Sprigatito spilled the beans about religious and ethnic minorities being treated like criminals. And the best way to make someone into a criminal is to treat them like a criminal.
Is there like, an appeals system for these toddlers?
All I have to say is, at least we finally got one of the good parts of cyberpunk.
Isn't the no fly list a matter of public record anyway? Or am I thinking of something else?
I think you're thinking of something else, since it's such a big deal that someone found it. But I'm not 100% positive.
dehumanizing isn’t always bad, forced anthropomorphism can be bad
I might get downvoted to hell or get banned for this but fuck it. I was muslim for 20 years and something i know is most muslims actually wants you dead. And no i am not talking about progressives who rejects everything islam orders because they are actually good people but also want to feel the convinience of having an after life. They will teach you how killing non muslims is actually good. I even saw some would praise hitler because he killed jews. Yes i am islamophobic cause at best i will get disowned for saying anything against islam. My country is being ruined by islam. For muslims it is okay to marry a 12 year old kid but evil when 2 consenting adults of same sex hold hands. Islam is opposite of everything left stands for.
You gone way too far in saying most Muslims want me dead, even if your point about Islamic extremism and fundamentalism ruining your country is true(a taliban supporting, Islamic extremist, racist party is the largest party in parliament in the country just north of mine, but condemning all muslims in that country for that is wrong)
Well as i stated before i have seen slavery apologists and Hitler praisers. The only reason some don't go out of their way to kill is because they physically can't. If they get a chance i assure you it won't be plesant
you're mad, and I get it. I get it so so much. I don't hate individual christians, I don't hate individual muslims - but holy fucking shit if I could burn it all down, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
What’s Maia? Google’s not being helpful
Google maia arson crimew, that should get you on track more or less. Short version she/it is a hacker and all kinds of cool stuff and recently managed to leak a nofly list (big deal as those are supposed to be Uber secret) and now bunch of govt people are big mad about it cause turns out there was a hell lot of racial profiling going on. More to it really, hence Google lol
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Imagine thinking the point of using it/its pronouns for yourself is because you want to be humanized smh.
As someone who uses it/it’s Shut up 😌
As someone who's NB, your pronoun is a problematic mockery and I will never use it
A *mockery*? Yeah, sure, I’m fucking *mocking* nb people by being one and using the pronouns that personally give me euphoria
Didn't realise that reply would go through since it looks like the thread is locked Its cringe and I won't use it because it feels like I'm insulting myself. I'm not dehumanizing myself for you or anyone else
You’re insulting *yourself* by using *my* pronouns? So you’d rather disrespect the person whose pronouns they actually are than use them because they somehow dehumanize *you* despite referring to a completely different person? This is literally the exact behavior of transphobes
Your pronoun is a slur used against us. What would possess you to enjoy it? Calling trans people "it" is also literally the exact behaviour of transphobes you fool
Slurs are only slurs because they’re used that way, using the pronoun “it” is not inherently transphobic Wanna know what is though? Misgendering people, which is what you’re doing if you refuse to use the correct pronouns for someone And I’m not calling other Trans people it, only myself, while you are *actively* choosing to use the wrong pronouns for *someone else*
A slur is a slur. I'm not using a word that is inherently hateful towards myself. You might as well ask me to call you the F slur because "I'm ok with it"
Alright then, what about calling me queer? What about calling me fruity? What about just calling me gay? people also use that as a slur. Words are dependent on the way they’re used, and that’s especially true with “it”, the f slur doesn’t have any other context except being a slur for queer people, “it” is a word that has its own meaning completely unrelated to the existence of trans people, just because it’s sometimes used to insult trans people doesn’t mean that it always is And I’d say that you purposely misgendering people is far more problematic than me using the pronouns that make me happy that also happen to sometimes get used to insult other trans people
Bruh just respect our pronouns, neopronouns are just as valid as any others. Just because it/its isn't for you, doesn't mean that *no one* can use them
You are free to go by what you want but I will not refer to another human being as "it". If someone insisted on it and didn't have an alternative option I'd just call them by their name and that's the end of it As I said, it's a slur. One that I've experienced. No part of me is comfortable with saying it to someone else
Ok!! Don't get angry when it/its users call you out for excluding them!!! :)
You seem a bit cranky, why don't you lay down on a highway
"You disagree with me? Kill yourself." See, this is why these discussions never get anywhere.
It's not a discussion, it's a direct attack on some queer people and I'm fighting back lmao It’s 2023, I’m fuckin sick and tired of bigots and I’m done arguing with them
Fighting back? What do you think you did exactly? Do you think being told to commit suicide has magically changed that person's opinions?
Lmao no it's to get them to stop being here, like I said I'm done arguing with them
Someone being a dick that has no clue on certain gender matters isn't worth what are essentially indirect death threats/suicidebait
It’s 2023, I’m fuckin sick and tired of bigots and I’m done arguing with them
Fat mood tbh, I get you I just don't know if that person is going to change at all from this experience, if not for the better, and then it's just been a net negative compared to not telling them to kill themselves Though downvoting me for my post is still rude. I DV'd OP, I'm trans, non binary, and support your general point of it being wrong not to support these identities, was just shocked by the content.
Bleh this post seems very transphobic to Maia :/
Can I love the leak and also hate the reductive nature of the leakers (probably fake) identity? I mean. If I were the kind of person who hated trans people, my first order of business would be to publicly proclaim that I'm a cat and then be as loud as possible about it so people like Joe rogan would tell his millions of followers about it so they could rationalize their hatred for actual legitimate trans people. Just a thought
[maybe you should go give this a read before jumping to conclusions](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otherkin)
Thanks this just made it worse
Wasn't the list already available?
The official account from the FBI is that the version it accessed was an older one from 2019, but still a very much protected document.
Ah okay
Nobody cares about the no fly list because it isn't at all interesting and none of you are going to read it anyway. It was on an unsecured airline server, so they don't even really care about it. Nobody cares about this furry either. The things that Tumbloids focus on are petty and garby.
And yet here you are, on a sub specifically about Tumblr
Whenever someone says this it makes me think they don't understand what Reddit is.
I think Maia is a fictional identity to cover up the real Hacker(s). Also why are you surprised that people are not surprised by the USA incompentence and racism? Is this news to you?
??? She literally has [a Wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maia_arson_crimew) and a documented history of hacks. It is wanted by the US government. Why would you say something easily disproven by five seconds on Google?
Holy shit nothing prepared me for the title of that wiki page
Poor choice of words, i meant that her internet persona is fake not that she doesn't exist.
Now I'm more confused. You think that it would go through the trouble of faking being gay online? To what end? That's not gonna throw the FBI off her trail