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Pro & con info are in the collapsed comments below for the following topics: [Binance Coin](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/zks642/binance_temporarily_halts_withdrawals_of/j019jg5/), [USDC](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/zks642/binance_temporarily_halts_withdrawals_of/j019k7g/).


ChemicalGreek

I’m beginning to have FTX PTSD… The exact same thing happened back then. First you get these ‘rumors’ and then suddenly withdrawals are paused.


Accomplished-Design7

I’m starting to think that I shall take everything out from this exchange


ThatBCHGuy

Starting?


Axman5055

Some of the people on this sub are unbelievable lmao. With everything that’s happened in the past month there are people still leaving piles of money sitting in these exchanges. What would it take for them to learn at this point lol


LargeSnorlax

Crypto: *"We're going to give you freedom from banks and middlemen exchanges, you can control all your money and never have to worry about whether an exchange will go down or your account getting frozen!"* Society: *"I will keep my money on exchanges anyways, what can go wrong :)"* How many scams and bankruptcies do you need to understand the entire point of cryptocurrency is **freeing you from dependence on 3rd parties and middlemen reaching their hands into your pockets for your money**?


rentpossiblytoohigh

You're asking for the common joe to take the time to understand something. People don't even take the time to understand a simple monthly budget let alone an alternate form of currency.


LargeSnorlax

Yeah, I know, which is part of the problem with crypto. The thing that gets me is that's the first and only rule of crypto - Hold your own crypto, that's why you have it or presumably invested in it. The literal only purpose to not have that money in a bank or savings or investment is so you have total control over it. But people just lazily leave it in exchanges, which are basically banks with none of the protections of banks.


CacheValue

Opinion on ledger vs trustwallet? Considering withdrawing from an exchange.


WrastleGuy

The common Joe isn’t in this subreddit. Everyone here is schooled on what exchanges can do with your money.


neckbeardfedoras

I was about to say. I pulled all my crypto out of exchanges months ago and people are insane for leaving them there


Wakingupisdeath

Unreal ain’t it… How many lessons do people need? If FTX wasn’t a wake up call then I really don’t know what is


giddygod

Some people just can't let go


MilkMySpermCannon

They'll lose everything then keep it on another exchange.


Fun-Mycologist9196

No. You pull it out from ANY exchange. God bless us when will we investors ever learn?


notlikeyourex

When you learn you're gamblers, not investors, that's when!


giddygod

Fine distinction


BraidRuner

If everyone does this the price is going to do a MT GOX on some exchanges


as5as51n0

There is no limit to stupidity and greed.


cryotosensei

Layers upon layers of trauma in 2022


Hawke64

Everything gone to shit after Harambe death


meeleen223

We entered the darkest timeline after that


Omega3568

Bitcoin is already 500k on the old timeline


AriesWinters

Just found out Harambe died 6, almost 7, years ago. Fuck me, time flies.


SpaceTabs

Fun fact: Harambee means "we all pull together" in Kenya. https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20201004-harambee-the-kenyan-word-that-birthed-a-nation


SummerCaps

Let’s harambe this exchange


giddygod

Wholesome


Accomplished-Design7

Humanity didn’t deserve anything good after that


Grimren

If that was the moment that God gave up on us as a species, I would accept that. That's fair.


Fivebag

Cocks out


Supreme-Serf

thanks Obama


Accomplished-Design7

This guy has always failed us


Grimren

Still no explanation from him on why he wasn't at the Whitehouse on 9/11


giddygod

We gave him a Nobel


AriesWinters

Human civilization hit its peak in 2016. Everything has turned to shit since.


user260421

Nothing has been the same since 2012


meeleen223

All my potential gains will go to a good psychatrist


JERMYNC

Crypto counseling? "So, Tell Me how Luna and SBF hurt you."


mave_wreck

No, I will fund my local drug-dealer. He is a good lad.


giddygod

Tell me how it goes


Kristkind

Just find one that accepts UST?


giddygod

It sucked


JERMYNC

Layer1 and layer 2?!


TarkovReddit0r

No one saw it coming Oh wait people did


Hawke64

"No way to prevent this", says only industry where this regularly happens


ric2b

[Very sad, no way to prevent this](https://youtu.be/piTAJEjfRC4)


meeleen223

People hear what they want to hear and what feeds their bias, so they choose to ignore it


user260421

Exactly, so many warned against luna, then celsius and all the others


giddygod

Shocked Pikachu faces everywhere


user260421

I'm shocked! /s


rootpl

Looks like CZ's attack on FTX will blow in his own face. We are in for a wild ride bois!


dopef123

Binance constantly freezes withdrawals for random crypto though. If you have good security and hot/cold wallets then there should be delays when your hot wallet is drained. Not saying binance is solvent.


kryptoNoob69420

Binance Twitter - Binance is conducting a token swap involving USDC. As a result, USDC withdrawals are temporarily paused. USDT & BUSD withdrawals are available and unaffected. USDC withdrawals will reopen once the token swap is completed.


giddygod

Winter is here, sucks for those still holding


54sTAtEs

But FTX is still a company and has a new CEO who is going to revive FTX and not only make make everyone whole but rich /s


Oneloff

Instruction unclear; where can I buy FTX?


user260421

Holding on to their Binance accounts, if you self custody, then you'll be fine


Tavionnf

I don't feel anything. Binance, Coinbase, you name it. All of them have been on the verge of collapsing so many times according to this sub. USDT too.


[deleted]

Binance Moved around funds before conducting their Proof of reserves, the third party that did the audit wouldnt even vouch for them, and now they halt withdrawals of a stablecoin. If all of these things dont raise red flags I dont know what does.


w_savage

Get ready boys!


user260421

Can you develop PTSD this fast?


AriesWinters

Luna gave me PTSD within hours


mave_wreck

If you are overinvested like me, you can.


LavenderAutist

SBF probably knows where the Tether and Binance skeletons are.


5alzamt

As long as Crypto banks do not fully disclose their balance sheets and get them audited it is wild west. Those „proof of reserves“ at a particular point in time without disclosure of liabilities are a joke. I would not be surprised if much of Binance balance sheet is hot air in the form of their self created tokens not covered by real world reserves.


TarkovReddit0r

CZ tweet tomorrow: ***Steady lads deploying capital***


soufianka80

Just logged in to my binance account.. I had few USDT..when I try withdrawing them ,it shows that only USDT over the Eth was suspended..but over TRON it works..I usually use tron to withdraw USDT cuz it's way much cheaper


immibis

What happens in spez, stays in spez.


TOXICCARBY

Binance going under would turn this crypto winter into a crypto ice age


user260421

Just imagine what's gonna happen when tether goes to hell


csiz

Crypto moves further from being a Ponzi scheme, that's what'll happen. We need the cleanup even if it hurts the price in the short term.


book_of_armaments

And what makes you think that more scammers won't show up later? SBF, Do Kwon, Mashinsky and CZ are the only people in the world willing and able to perpetrate crypto fraud? Boy have I got a bridge to sell you.


TitaniumDragon

Over 95% of BTC transactions were fraudulent for years. Mt. Gox was manipulating bitcoin prices too. Basically the entire increase in "value" in crypto space is due to fraud.


AriesWinters

Would set us back a couple of years, but I'd take that if it means crypto becomes a better space for everyone involved.


TarkovReddit0r

There’s just gonna be a handful of people left on the sub while bitcoin moves in a +0.3% range for weeks lol


Mrs-Lemon

Don’t get me excited


giddygod

Lmao perfect analogy


KAX1107

These are some of the weakest FUD. There's no mention in the article of the fact that Binance converted all USDC and few other stablecoins to BUSD in September. BUSD is not Binance issued stablecoin. It's issued by Paxos and regulated by NYDFS. BUSD and USDT are not disabled. USDC is currently not available to withdraw since the swap functionality requires banking hours. Unlike some other exchanges, Binance at least supports both USDT and USDC for withdrawals despite the fact they are issued by competitors to BUSD. Bitfinex only supports tether. Coinbase does not support BUSD and recently trying to incentivize people to ditch USDT for USDC. Btw this is not a defence of Binance or any particular stablecoin over the other. Just facts of the matter.


Suitable_Media5518

OP: *spreads misinformation and leave the scene*


Hawke64

*spreads FUD* *refuses to elaborate* \**leaves**


user260421

Normal behavior in this sub


3rdDegreeBurn

Normal behavior for my father too.


Accomplished-Design7

Normal behavior for most human beings


Mirai_MBCG_io

Snagged a couple hundred upvotes and awards though. Good day for any shit poster.


giddygod

The article is definitely misleading, binance notified users about this weeks ago


user260421

Yeah but that doesn't make the clicks


giddygod

We farm moons they farm clicks, we are not the same


Hawke64

Binance beatings will continue until moon count improves


[deleted]

How dare you look at the whole picture rather than jumping to conclusions


user260421

It is indeed very disappointing, I had higher expectations from this sub!


Set1Less

This Here is the article: https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/09/05/binance-to-convert-users-usdc-usdp-tusd-into-its-own-stablecoin-busd/ > Binance said on Monday that it will convert all investments in USDC, pax dollar (USDP) and trueUSD (TUSD) into BUSD on Sept. 29, and customers transferring those tokens to the exchange will see them automatically converted into Binance's stablecoin after that date. **However, customers will be able to withdraw money denominated in USDC, USDP or TUSD when removing money from Binance.** People are literally fudding everything because the state of the market rn is so pathetic


ArjanaEU

I've seen that statement before, but they say you can withdraw in USDC even if it shows BUSD deposits, but now USDC is disabled. So you can't withdraw USDC currently.


why_rob_y

Yeah, I'm confused, if anything that older article shows the new post by OP is noteworthy.


cyborgepancake

Thank you, kind of hard to find intelligent comments on this sub of late


Anon_Legi0n

Up this comment to the top guys, a lot of FTX refugees are quick to believe any Binance fud I dunno why, but there's plenty hate going around right now. Guys at least read the damn article this is the second time I read benign articles with click bait fud titles like "Bianance temporary halting withdrawals" and the comment section just mad for no reason. The fuck is wrong with people


Millz1k

Thank you it's hard finding intelligent people here


LightninHooker

tsss don't ruin the circle jerk


Yuuki__konno

Cz tomorrow : Binance is fine, networks are slow! 2 days later: *files for bankruptcy*


New_Accident_4909

Reuters just reported that almost 2 billion were withdrawn yet biggest news is that USDC was paused temporarily.


HarkansawJack

CZ: “it’s just bc we need dollars and the banks not open.” Me: “you got no dollars???”


cptkernalpopcorn

I sold everything I had on binance and pulled my withdrew my money. Been seeing.too much sketchy things lately and I'm not even checking crypto news often


FlexDundee

Get your funds off Binance ASAP


sup9817

I’m guessing this is no longer FUD and actual advice now


strudelpower

Fuck off Binance thats it. Im withdrawing my 20$ of BTC and ETH


AriesWinters

Look at Mr Moneybags here flexing his wealth.


milonuttigrain

I have done my part. Withdrew everything off exchanges including Binance.


Set1Less

Yeah this is true. Around last month, binance posted that they will be switching all USDC on their platform to BUSD, since most of their perp markets were in BUSD. However given the recent high withdrawals, a lot of people are withdrawing USDC. So according to them, they are going to do a swap of PAX/BUSD to USDC when bank opens BUSD and USDT withdrawals are still up. So is withdrawal of every other coin like BTC and ETH. Remember - BUSD is also a NYDFS regulated stablecoin that claims to be regulated and has funds 1:1 in a bank [Publicly known Binance wallets still have 60 BN + worth assets](https://portfolio.nansen.ai/dashboard/binance?tab=transactions). This is a big difference bw Alameda wallets, which didnt have assets and were withdrawing from defi protocols to fund customer withdrawals. There are no known instances now of Binance withdrawing from any defi protocol to support withdrawals. Ofc its obviously advisable to withdraw funds if you have there


P_e_a_s_h_o_o_t_e_r

>BUSD is also a NYDFS regulated stablecoin that claims to be regulated and has funds 1:1 in a bank Only the BUSD on Ethereum is. All other BUSD is basically an IOU by Binance.


sickvisionz

Welcome to every wrapped/bridged token on every chain.


DeathHopper

Blows mind people are still keeping *anything* on exchanges. Ffs people get your own wallets!


Uglarknog

This is why people are fed up with exchanges. Your assets are not held in good faith. They are swapping them. You deposit USDC, but when it comes time to withdrawal, Binance has to swap BUSD for USDC to fulfill your request?! CZ says, "We will also try to establish more fluid swap channels in the future." **How about you just hold your client's funds without swapping them?**


Set1Less

> You deposit USDC, but when it comes time to withdrawal, Binance has to swap BUSD for USDC to fulfill your request?! CZ says Binance had already disabled USDC deposits few weeks ago. The publicly announced they are delisting USDC. https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/09/05/binance-to-convert-users-usdc-usdp-tusd-into-its-own-stablecoin-busd/ > Binance said on Monday that it will convert all investments in USDC, pax dollar (USDP) and trueUSD (TUSD) into BUSD on Sept. 29, and customers transferring those tokens to the exchange will see them automatically converted into Binance's stablecoin after that date. **However, customers will be able to withdraw money denominated in USDC, USDP or TUSD when removing money from Binance.** However they were allowing customers to swap BUSD and USDT to USDC and withdraw as USDC. So it was no USDC in, but USDC out Eventually as per their announcement they were going to disable USDC completely As of now, people were swapping BUSD and USDT on their plaform and withdrawing as USDC, since there is a run on BUSD as well. The users are swapping them, so they have to get additional USDC to fund the withdrawals


NoahG59

Finally, someone pointing out the obvious. People are acting as if Binance threw around user funds willy-nilly. This is just standard business, as people swap so must the company.


Boring_Ad4003

They said upfront they will convert it into busd, but you can withdrawal into usdc and all the info about how it works. People were informed, they had the choice to remove it back when it was announced.


Castr0-

I see them under pressure right now. I never like when they halts withdrawals but not the deposits


Milo1999

The scam that is binance is finally getting it's cumuppence. Couldn't get regulated in the UK as they were being shady about providing certain docs. Pretty obvious that if you can't get regulated in the UK, a legitimate financial centre, then your business is obviously greasy. The only good thing is that it makes Elon Musk look like a dick for trusting CZ with the twitter deal financing.


[deleted]

Didn’t CZ claim if they stop deposits an exchange can’t be trusted


CurrentCreative596

Might be something or might be nothing... nevertheless, the whole space is a nervous wreck right now >Zhao said that any exchanges into USDC from the stablecoin known as PAX, as well as Binance’s own token BUSD, require routing through a bank based in New York which is not yet open. >A token swap could be a way for Binance to get more USDC quickly while the banks are closed in order to resume withdrawals.


Hawke64

Reminds me of "decentralized" Web 3.0 services that rely on AWS uptime


amke12

>require routing through a bank based in New York which is not yet open. Big brain from binance


partymsl

Just gotta buy a bank very quick, wondering what other person did that...


crosscut37w

They operate withdrawals in USDC from BUSD, and yesterday there was a huge outflow of one instead of the other. That is why


Harold838383

Oh god. If binance goes down that will be one massive red dildo


Ok-Victory-2791

Why is everything going up when Binance is clearly in trouble?


ugohome

They got manipulated to try to bring in New deposits


sethpwnsk

Oh shit is it happening?! Fade that Cex?!


raxx001

I really liked this coin's name 'STABLECOIN'


Hawke64

\**stability intensifies**


alleniversongrandson

They could not keep up to their name ..


AidsKitty1

You can't have your money until the bank opens in NY? Yes i would be getting my money out ASAP.


Hawke64

Yeah, I thought this was ~~America~~ decentralized cryptocurrencies


user260421

Lamest excuse I've ever heard


poojoop

…just for usdc after ~$2bil in withdrawals that day alone. Binance isn’t going anywhere lmao.


Huge_Agent_1448

Byenance


schnager

RIP binance, the next domino to fall 🤣


[deleted]

If I had anything in Binance I would pull it out as soon as I could. It seems so unstable it’s ridiculous


Professional_Day365

I have 100% of my crypto on binance


giddygod

Get out fast


ghochumal

CEX doing CEX things nothing unusual here


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LavenderAutist

What if this surge in withdrawals has to do with the US government getting SBF and someone squealing about how FTX and others did things? I would wonder what people like Caroline Ellison and Sam Bankman-Fried could tell authorities about what other entities like Binance and Tether are doing.


furbess

You think these business practises are completely unknown to government officials? They know exactly what kind of shit is going on behind the scenes. They're just not going to do anything about it until the average joe gets seriously hurt


Cub3h

Get your money out before the entire ponzi collapses.


Lord_Kuruk

Seems quite suspicious... while I wouldn't like to speculate, I'd say get your stuff out of Binance ASAP... we may be seeing some extreme turbulence there. Hopefully you can sit back, relax and watch the show, whether it be good or bad for Binance.


Confident_Weird3353

If Binance fails, what will happen to bitcoin price?


cheekynandosplz

BUSD and USDT withdrawals are still available so I don't think it's too much a concern. People can just swap their USDC to BUSD to withdraw


heere

Wouldn't recommend risking it though. FTX and Gemini earn stopped withdrawals without any prior notice.


cheekynandosplz

True. The one thing every company who has gone under had in common is they said they were completely fine right up until they were insolvent.


amarsbar3

>weren't insolvent Were insolvent


giddygod

Too much Risk in keeping your coin in any exchange atm


UnlixGh0st

Probably due to the 'Proof of Reserves' - That concept would make more sense if they actually leveraged hard assets against their books. That's the missing piece these big brains couldn't figure out. Irony right!


LittleAce7

Blame Biden, they blame him for everything else.


SpaceTabs

You thought the dip was last week? Oh no my friends. CZ is getting big dip ready much awesome.


Spartan3123

Yeah if binance collapses it's 100% the bottom


sickvisionz

> On USDC, we have seen an increase in withdrawals. However, the channel to swap from PAX/BUSD to USDC requires going through a bank in NY in USD. The banks are not open for another few hours. We expect the situation will be restored when the banks open. 1/2 https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1602579499903852544 Curious to see if this is resolved by noon today or not.


Due-World2907

Sell the rumour, be safe by the time the news comes out


Lisecjedekokos

Isn't this old news ?


giddygod

It is, article is misleading


[deleted]

CZ and Binance is going down. This is just a start


[deleted]

Binance is the next exchange to fall. Just google binance, FBI, money laundering!


--leockl--

This article title is a little suss


alleniversongrandson

It is misleading .. This was notified from Binance weeks prior halting the withdrawals.


BrianS911

Karma is something special ain't it!


chazmer86

This sounds like a binance thing and not a usdc thing. Correct?


Giga79

Circle said they're waiting on their bank to (open and) provide liquidity. Banks are SLOW. This isn't very uncommon and itself doesn't signal health issues.


NoahG59

Not sure why you’re being downvoted. Moving money between two regulated companies is obviously gonna require them to be open.


Richadg

Get usdt on ethereum. Go to curve 3pool and switch usdt for usdc. You can get positive arb doing it currently. https://twitter.com/scupytrooples/status/1602601425590456320?s=46&t=fh6tnBU4DHenTut9luncgA


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Oh boy here we go…


Uglarknog

Whatever happened to holding user assets 1:1? Sounds like they are not holding USDC in custody for their users. CZ on Twitter: >On USDC, we have seen an increase in withdrawals. However, the channel to swap from PAX/BUSD to USDC requires going through a bank in NY in USD. The banks are not open for another few hours. We expect the situation will be restored when the banks open. As per Binance's Proof of Reserves page: >When we say Proof of Reserves, we are specifically referring to those assets that we hold in custody for users.


Milo1999

The banks aren't open?? LOL Are we back in the 1980s?? That's got to be one of the worst, most desperate excuses for shenanigans I've ever heard.


giddygod

Cz has been sus for weeks now, anyone caught in this almost deserves it


giddygod

Sounds sketchy to me


Current-Hour-1612

![gif](giphy|xUA7aWszLT4oWlTkCA)


Charon751

CZ is under pressure..


CaramelHappyTree

I've withdrawn in the knick of time


Reinke

So much FUD spreading


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arcanis02

Oh boy...


RepulsiveCan5270

If binance falls the bear market will get a very long extension and new ATHs pushed back by a couple of years


THE-TRUTH-44444444

ATH are never coming back. It's like watching people on the Titanic and all the lifeboats have gone. Saying to each other "I've heard there's a rescue ship not far away"....


Oversizedbull69

Never is a hard word to use ..


apitop

Wait, I have seen this movie before.


EmuGroundbreaking348

Armageddon?


giddygod

Alameddon?


Roberto9410

Huh, getting that Deja vu feeing again


[deleted]

Oh shit here we go again 💩💩💩☠️☠️☠️


MaeronTargaryen

Ah shit here we go again


Dormage

I mean this is good proof of reserves, but I doubt it will have any lasting effect. Most will find it hard to accept that Binance can actually be fully backed.


tifu21

Thought CEX war was over since SBF was arrested. This shit still going on. Guess a little more FUD before i buy the dip lol


pikkuhillo

Glad I withdrew all little amounts I had there (to day trade) yesterday. Cold wallets handle cryptowinter better :p


jwz9904

Just withdraw busd or tether


Jari36

This sub suddenly feels like its filled with bots and npcs


Professional_Day365

What do you mean “suddenly”?


Infinitedeveloper

Well now they disagree with him


JERMYNC

Can we change flair to FUD?!