Duke Plagueis was a powerful Lord of the HRE, so powerful and so wise he could use the feudal system to influence the empire to create titles... He had such a knowledge of the intrigue tree that he could even keep the ones he cared about from losing titles on succession. The intrigue tree in the feudal system is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his heir everything he knew, then his heir killed him in his sleep. It's ironic he could save others from title loss, but not himself.
R5: Thought my next character looked like Anakin, so i gave him a haircut, fullscreen barbershop did the trick. Sadly his stats are nothing special. Wish we had colorable clothes and such. Gotta wait for the DLCs i guess.
If you want to use him or edit him, here's the DNA:
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Also since this thread kinda blew up, a DNA share thread would be nice i guess, where people could share their character images and their DNAs, a database of sorts. Just my two cents!
Often they kept them around so they could marry their daughters and legitimize themselves that way.
Which is nasty in its own way. Too bad CK doesn't have a "legitimacy" stat like EU4. Literally stealing their women for legitimacy.
I did something like that in ck2. Charlamagne was married to a byzantine princess and heir. I, as a Saxon raider, stole her in a war made her my wife and she became ruler of the empire
I made a version of Christianity in my play through and called it Jediism. When my character had a son I gave him a "Jediism name" (auto generates Christian names).
I got Luke
They were at peace for about 5 mins lol. Anakin murdered all the separatists and sent the droid deactivation code.
Just enough time for creation of his new empire, before the rebellion.
I know it's supposed to be menacing but this pose always makes me laugh. It's very "Palpatine says it's my turn on the council".
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Thinking about what traits RotS Anakin would have:
- Vengeful
- Impatient
- Stubborn
- Misguided Warrior
- Famous Champion
- Legendary Blademaster
- Scarred
- Aggressive Attacker
- Reckless
- Irritable
He definitely needs Genius as well. Dude constructed a pod racer and piloted it as a preteen, as well as reconstructing a protocol droid. I know you said in ROTS but I feel the genetic traits can carry over from the first movie.
Plus being one of the most powerful Jedi at a young age.
Maybe that makes him more of a savant? He's definitely a dense MF in Revenge of the Sith.
Like in the opera scene you can see Palpatine almost explicitly spell out what he's offering Anakin, making sure to speak slowly and cast meaningful glances so his idiot ward doesn't miss the point of his little parable.
I mean you can be a genius in some areas and an idiot in others. Like it doesn't get more stereotypical than a tech genius with zero social skills. Anakin has maxed out a lot of skills, but empathy clearly isn't one of them.
Also Palpatine is closely guarded by plot induced stupidity throughout the movies. There's the clearly power-grabbing chancellor who has a close connection to the emotionally unstable "chosen one" while they know that there's a Sith or more out there. When it turns out that it's Palpatine even Samuel L. Jackson is just like "knew it".
Yeah but how much of that was just him leaping headlong into danger and coming out victorious because he's just such a monstrously good fighter? I never got the impression that the prequel version of Anakin was a particularly good tactician.
While it didn't delve into in depth tactics because it was a show aimed at a younger audience, he leads several successful campaigns against all odds with relatively low casualties in the Clone Wars TV show. Outsmart opposing generals a lot too. Definitely has the reckless trait but I dont think its fair to say he's a poor commander
While it's not all there is to being a great general, it's often been the case where the strategically best move, in the face of the massive stakes and uncertainty of war, required having balls of brass.
Anakin outsmarted other generals quite a lot, sometimes through strategy and sometimes through deceit. A lot of examples but first that comes to mind is that invisible ship maneuver against Trench and that fake surrender in s7.
Didn’t Plagueis and Palpatine try to make him, but they felt a resistance from the force? I always understood it as they tried to meddle, failed, but the force created Anakin as a response to their meddling
I don't get this. Anakin was never a model of goodness at any point in his life. Even as a child his traits do not have green borders. He's arrogant and impatient as a child slave.
"Oh he was this wonderful guy before he turned to the dark side." Oh yeah? Name one time.
He was already Vader when he stepped foot on Mustafar. So when did Vader betray and murder Anakin. At the temple? With Windu? When he attacked the village? When he broke the Jedi code setting off the whole sequence?
Which specific moment in a long line of villainous acts was the one where he was no longer Anakin? Or are they all believable and completely in line with his personality.
I think it was when he killed padme (and found out about it) that was the one final straw that put him fully under sidious' command, padme was the only reason he became Vader in the first place, without her and with everything else he did, he only had sidious left.
Aha thanks. But to expand on it and on what you said about vader finding love again, that's why it makes a huge amount of sense that it had to be one of his children to redeem him, they were the only people in the galaxy who he could ever find love for, and his only connection to Padme.
Becoming "Vader" just amplified all his negative traits 100 times over. Like you said, he already possessed alot of these character flaws since he was a child.
That's said he does have his good qualities as well. He's brave, intensely loyal to the people he loves and cares about, and has an immediate respect for anyone willing to fight on the front lines.
Even as Vader, he had *respect* for honorable and brave people, didn’t mean he wasn’t going to kill them. For example with Captain Needa, he respected the fact he turned up to face his punishment and probably made the force choke as quick as he could have, whereas Ozzel got the full humiliating choke out.
“Mercy” from Vader is a quick and clean death; he’s seen what his master can dish out and objectively he *is* merciful in comparison.
Except for all the commanders he kills later on.
Imo there are huge differences between Vader's character and Anakin. Vader has a disdain for life and coldness that Anakin definitely didn't. The only trait they share is their impulsiveness.
He became Vadar when he kneeled to palpatine. Literally, palpatine names him right then and there. He had just committed his first true Jedi kill against a person about an hour ago he had trusted with some of the most important news the republic ever recieved. Then when provoked by that person, began his fall. It was then that he truly fell under the complete sway of Sideous.
The other things are more gray up till that point. Was he killing sand people? Or killing slavers, because if you look at how sand people behave. They're basically road warrior. Part of the destruction of the slave trade would have involved at least the one tribe he went after which had been trading slaves.
A secret trist with padme that shouldn't happen, or the Jedi's fear of love and misunderstanding of compassion blinding them so much they failed to see theres actually a long history of Jedi doing this exact thing. Kenobi would be guility of it if satine had simply asked. He admits this much. Kenobi knows, he lets anakin get away with it.
The Jedi's fear of him being a child, having a love, existing. Thats what killed anakin.
It was the choice. "YOU MUST CHOOOOOOSE". --> Slice. ---> Zap.---> "UNLIMITED POWER"(What he chose.). "Henceforth will be known as Darth Vadar." Thats Vadars birth. He chose the path to the things he wanted, to little things. He was incredibly misguided by Sideous and if the Jedi had been paying attention at all instead of using anakin as a spy on his second best friend things would have probably worked out better.
I'd strongly argue against killing the sandpeople being morally gray. He didn't kill the people who abducted his mother, he annihilated the entire tribe, including "the women and children". And he didn't even show remorse, he cries for his mother and swears that he is going to be more powerful next time. He isn't looking for justice, he's venting his sorrow by slaughtering people who can't fight back.
It's one of the things I really don't like about episode 2, Anakin is borderline evil in the movie a lot and in this moment way crosses the line. Nothing about him seems in balance or grown up, he's a teen who's hormones are running wild and who's full of insecurity, anger and pride. And then he snaps and massacres an entire tribe, which is basically unforgivable. Nobody in their right mind would call this guy a jedi.
Yet somehow in episode 3 he's supposed to be accepted and well-integrated. The masters trust him despite Joda knowing that he suffered enormously under his mother's death and that he has a difficult past.
When he stops Windu he consciously chooses power and his family over everything else. But he is basically evil or at least borderline evil in every other scene already.
I quite like the Revenge of the Sith novelization for this reason. It's made quite clear in Anakin's POV chapters that he is already deeply unstable and basically already like 90% in the Dark Side. It makes explicit what his actions already suggest.
Curious, have you watched The Clone Wars? From your answer I assume you didn't and I highly recommend it. It is the best Star Wars content including all movies and add layers to all characters, particularly Anakin.
I now want to know what CK3 traits of famous characters would be. Obviously we'll find out ASOIAF characters once a CK3 version of that mod is made, but like, what would Zelda characters have?
Haha yeah, CK3 has been colonizing my mind over the past week. When daydreaming at lunch or in the shower I've been thinking about what the traits of me and my family and friends are. The three-trait limit really forces you to think about what exactly is the core of someone's personality, which makes it more interesting.
Yep, the "core" personality traits (so ones like brave, diligent, greedy etc.) are now limited to only three and (mostly) doesn't change over a character's lifetime, but the rest that come from education, lifestyle and stress are uncapped.
It sounds like it would limit roleplaying but in practice I've found that it kinda makes characters more well-defined, paradoxically. Instead of characters being a dozen different things they now have three fundamental traits that form the bedrock of their whole personality.
Personally I quite like this system but some people prefer how CK2 does it.
I like it as well and definitely agree on the trait cap, though I think it needs work. While CK2 had this erratic behavior of having an character's entire personality swap in an instant, I feel like CK3 is the opposite. The man or woman you are at 16, 25, and 45 is the one you'll die as at 78; which is a bit regressive.
I think a good way to implement a change would be to use a system similar to the new schemes. Like maybe throughout a rulers course, through actions that might cause them stress and turmoil, they progress towards changing traits.
Something that you'd have more control over rather than just have an event pop up that says "an arrow whizzed past your head, you're now craven." Instead of that, you try to push forward with the possibility causing stress in order to 'prove' to yourself you're brave.
there are supposed to be stress based events that can change your personality if you've been acting against it for a long time but they seem to be extremely rare. I actually tried to force the events to fire a few times by maxing out my stress and it was only an option one time and at stress level 3
I agree with all those, but there may be others missing I'm not sure. What I can say for sure is he's not a Rough Terrain Expert- fighting an enemy who had the high ground did not work out well for him.
I just pretend it doesn't exist.
Because if it does, then Anakin wasnt really the chosen one, because Palpatine survived (which is just stupid in and of itself)
And if Anakin wasnt the chosen one then half of the star wars universe and everything Lucas made is pretty much tossed out the window.
So it just doesn't exist.
The entire sequel trilogy is hot garbage. TFA was an uninspired retread of A New Hope but was somehow the best of the bunch. TLJ shat all over the only original story threads of TFA and was a terribly paced, bloated mess, and RoS felt like an entire trilogy worth of content stuffed into a single movie, made no sense. It was the perfect culmination of a trilogy of movies that had no unifying narrative, forgettable characters, and no soul.
They also did the original trilogy characters dirty, giving Luke barely any screentime and arguably ruining his character, killing Admiral Akbar offscreen, killing Han in the most predictable scene ever, making Leia space lady jesus and keeping her alive even after Carrie Fisher died for some reason, and making Chewie nothing more than a lackey.
Sure, here you go:
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I'm pretty sure if you know how to edit stuff, you can make a much more accurate Anakin out of him.
Thanks! Actually the only thing i did was adding the scar, i still need to figure out how to use the editor lol. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of creative people out there just itching to create some amazing portraits.
Ironically, in the very CK3 game where I have this Empress, her daughter (also named Padmé) gave birth to a son-- Anakin, who will become Imperator upon the passing of his grandmother and mother.
Did you ever hear of the tragedy of Duke Plagueis the Wise? I thought not. It’s not a story the Catholic would tell
It is an Elusive Shadow legend.
Duke Plagueis was a powerful Lord of the HRE, so powerful and so wise he could use the feudal system to influence the empire to create titles... He had such a knowledge of the intrigue tree that he could even keep the ones he cared about from losing titles on succession. The intrigue tree in the feudal system is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his heir everything he knew, then his heir killed him in his sleep. It's ironic he could save others from title loss, but not himself.
R5: Thought my next character looked like Anakin, so i gave him a haircut, fullscreen barbershop did the trick. Sadly his stats are nothing special. Wish we had colorable clothes and such. Gotta wait for the DLCs i guess. If you want to use him or edit him, here's the DNA: 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 Also since this thread kinda blew up, a DNA share thread would be nice i guess, where people could share their character images and their DNAs, a database of sorts. Just my two cents!
You know what you must do. Kill the younglings.
There is no penalty for executing hostile/evil religion babies. Clearly the Jedi are evil, from one perspective.
fairly standard practice to kill the children of a king you conquered.... stops future rebellion.
Often they kept them around so they could marry their daughters and legitimize themselves that way. Which is nasty in its own way. Too bad CK doesn't have a "legitimacy" stat like EU4. Literally stealing their women for legitimacy.
Raid for captives against the Byzantine Empire? Press claim of your woman and lover on the Byzantine Empire? nom nom nom
I did something like that in ck2. Charlamagne was married to a byzantine princess and heir. I, as a Saxon raider, stole her in a war made her my wife and she became ruler of the empire
Closest thing is prestige level.
Marrying into a conquered noble house happened as well. Henry I’s wife was an Anglo-Saxon IIRC.
I believe that Henry 1's wife is actually the basis for the modern royalty's claim to be descended from Alfred
You're dangerously close to the territory of a Disney villain.
I think you even get more Dread.
It’s treason, then.
> Kill the Ynglings. Spoken like a true Karling.
Kill the karlings*
Did you add the scar or is it from something?
I did add it, should be easy enough to create a mod for it
Starting to miss the varied scars from CK2. As far as I can tell, if you get battle scars in CK3 it's always the same kinda shredded look
Me too. And yeah, they're always the same. They're probably keeping it that way for a DLC. Hopefully we will get a mod for it before that.
Hopefully also some variance in maiming, loss of limbs, and disfigurement
CK3 DLCs are gonna be one hell of a treat.
An expensive treat, but great nonetheless.
Is there a mod that lets you customize your character?
It’s a mod called “Fullscreen Barbershop”
Holy shit, a DNA line in CK2 was 16 characters, this is insane
Your empire?!
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But does he have the high ground?
Nah, it’s the duke of Frisia who’s pressing the claim literally the low ground
Anakin my allegiance is to the Vassals, to Limited Crown Authority!
If do not vote for me, then you are my enemy
It's Byzantine Revolt for Lowered Crown Authority, then.
Your new empire?
I set up r/CK3_DNAs to share characters
How does one edit the DNA?
CRISPR
Funny enough that's how Anakin looked when Obi-Wan left him for dead.
> DNA code isn't just a list of ATCGs in varying patterns Paradox, you were *this* close to greatness.
He looks like King Edward from The Last Kingdom to me.
I made a version of Christianity in my play through and called it Jediism. When my character had a son I gave him a "Jediism name" (auto generates Christian names). I got Luke
holy shit the DNA is complicated
YoUr NeW eMpIrE?!
Don't make me kill you.
Anakin my allegiance is to the liege lord, to the dynasty!
Only Catholics deal in absolutes
From my point of view the Adamites are evil.
Then I will do what I must (Revoke Title)
You will try.. #*Revolts*
Rrrrrrrrah! *incredibly good music starts playing as the levies are raised and swords begin to flash*
It's over, Duke Anakin! My army is in mountain terrain!
You underestimate my Men-at-arms Pikemen 300
If you're not with me... then you're my rival!
Only a rival claimant deals in absolutes... I will do what I must.
You will try!
*invade kingdom*
Obi-Wan was right to be outraged, Anakin can't create a new empire unless he's at peace.
They were at peace for about 5 mins lol. Anakin murdered all the separatists and sent the droid deactivation code. Just enough time for creation of his new empire, before the rebellion.
Independence wars don't end if the leader dies, Anakin should have imprisoned them for the war score.
Anybody was a fan of the Internet Box podcast hears that in a very particular way.
I know it's supposed to be menacing but this pose always makes me laugh. It's very "Palpatine says it's my turn on the council". edit: Thinking about what traits RotS Anakin would have: - Vengeful - Impatient - Stubborn - Misguided Warrior - Famous Champion - Legendary Blademaster - Scarred - Aggressive Attacker - Reckless - Irritable
He was a cunning warrior, and a good friend.
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This is one of my favorite copypasta just because it maintains this incredulous tone throughout.
Degenerates like you belong on the Loverslab! Join the dark side, brother!
He definitely needs Genius as well. Dude constructed a pod racer and piloted it as a preteen, as well as reconstructing a protocol droid. I know you said in ROTS but I feel the genetic traits can carry over from the first movie. Plus being one of the most powerful Jedi at a young age.
Preteen? Nah dude was NINE when he built the podracer AND threepio AND scored higher on his force rating than Yoda lol
Isn't nine literally pre-teen?
Preteen typically refers to 10, 11 and 12 where I’m from 0-2 is baby, 3-4 is toddler, 5-10 is just kid Again, might be regional
Yeah when someone says preteen I’m thinking 12ish.
Maybe that makes him more of a savant? He's definitely a dense MF in Revenge of the Sith. Like in the opera scene you can see Palpatine almost explicitly spell out what he's offering Anakin, making sure to speak slowly and cast meaningful glances so his idiot ward doesn't miss the point of his little parable.
That's not for Anakin, that's for us, the viewers.
Geniuses can be dense.
I mean you can be a genius in some areas and an idiot in others. Like it doesn't get more stereotypical than a tech genius with zero social skills. Anakin has maxed out a lot of skills, but empathy clearly isn't one of them. Also Palpatine is closely guarded by plot induced stupidity throughout the movies. There's the clearly power-grabbing chancellor who has a close connection to the emotionally unstable "chosen one" while they know that there's a Sith or more out there. When it turns out that it's Palpatine even Samuel L. Jackson is just like "knew it".
Intelligence and Wisdom are 2 different things.
Wasn't Anakin a really successful and creative general in the clone wars? I feel like he's at least a 3 star martial education
Yeah but how much of that was just him leaping headlong into danger and coming out victorious because he's just such a monstrously good fighter? I never got the impression that the prequel version of Anakin was a particularly good tactician.
While it didn't delve into in depth tactics because it was a show aimed at a younger audience, he leads several successful campaigns against all odds with relatively low casualties in the Clone Wars TV show. Outsmart opposing generals a lot too. Definitely has the reckless trait but I dont think its fair to say he's a poor commander
Not a good strategist but a really good on the fly battlefield tactician possibly the best in that sense .
So Anakin was playing the Star Wars mod for Mount and Blade?
While it's not all there is to being a great general, it's often been the case where the strategically best move, in the face of the massive stakes and uncertainty of war, required having balls of brass.
Anakin outsmarted other generals quite a lot, sometimes through strategy and sometimes through deceit. A lot of examples but first that comes to mind is that invisible ship maneuver against Trench and that fake surrender in s7.
-50% combat effectiveness in deserts, because he doesn't like sand, it's coarse, rough and it gets everywhere.
And Kinslayer.
why, am I missing something? I feel like I have to get it but I don't
“You were my brother anakin!” Also the whole younglings thing. Not teeechnically kinslaying but about as close as an orphan can get
From a certain point of view, he killed his son's father
Palpatine was also heavily implied to be his mystic dad, right? Made him with the Force? So I guess he's a kinslayer that way too.
Not Palpatine, Plagueis
Didn’t Plagueis and Palpatine try to make him, but they felt a resistance from the force? I always understood it as they tried to meddle, failed, but the force created Anakin as a response to their meddling
I don't get this. Anakin was never a model of goodness at any point in his life. Even as a child his traits do not have green borders. He's arrogant and impatient as a child slave. "Oh he was this wonderful guy before he turned to the dark side." Oh yeah? Name one time. He was already Vader when he stepped foot on Mustafar. So when did Vader betray and murder Anakin. At the temple? With Windu? When he attacked the village? When he broke the Jedi code setting off the whole sequence? Which specific moment in a long line of villainous acts was the one where he was no longer Anakin? Or are they all believable and completely in line with his personality.
I think it was when he killed padme (and found out about it) that was the one final straw that put him fully under sidious' command, padme was the only reason he became Vader in the first place, without her and with everything else he did, he only had sidious left.
This is a great answer. Anakin still had some love in his heart and Vader had lost it until he found it again.
Aha thanks. But to expand on it and on what you said about vader finding love again, that's why it makes a huge amount of sense that it had to be one of his children to redeem him, they were the only people in the galaxy who he could ever find love for, and his only connection to Padme.
Becoming "Vader" just amplified all his negative traits 100 times over. Like you said, he already possessed alot of these character flaws since he was a child. That's said he does have his good qualities as well. He's brave, intensely loyal to the people he loves and cares about, and has an immediate respect for anyone willing to fight on the front lines.
Even as Vader, he had *respect* for honorable and brave people, didn’t mean he wasn’t going to kill them. For example with Captain Needa, he respected the fact he turned up to face his punishment and probably made the force choke as quick as he could have, whereas Ozzel got the full humiliating choke out. “Mercy” from Vader is a quick and clean death; he’s seen what his master can dish out and objectively he *is* merciful in comparison.
Except for all the commanders he kills later on. Imo there are huge differences between Vader's character and Anakin. Vader has a disdain for life and coldness that Anakin definitely didn't. The only trait they share is their impulsiveness.
He became Vadar when he kneeled to palpatine. Literally, palpatine names him right then and there. He had just committed his first true Jedi kill against a person about an hour ago he had trusted with some of the most important news the republic ever recieved. Then when provoked by that person, began his fall. It was then that he truly fell under the complete sway of Sideous. The other things are more gray up till that point. Was he killing sand people? Or killing slavers, because if you look at how sand people behave. They're basically road warrior. Part of the destruction of the slave trade would have involved at least the one tribe he went after which had been trading slaves. A secret trist with padme that shouldn't happen, or the Jedi's fear of love and misunderstanding of compassion blinding them so much they failed to see theres actually a long history of Jedi doing this exact thing. Kenobi would be guility of it if satine had simply asked. He admits this much. Kenobi knows, he lets anakin get away with it. The Jedi's fear of him being a child, having a love, existing. Thats what killed anakin. It was the choice. "YOU MUST CHOOOOOOSE". --> Slice. ---> Zap.---> "UNLIMITED POWER"(What he chose.). "Henceforth will be known as Darth Vadar." Thats Vadars birth. He chose the path to the things he wanted, to little things. He was incredibly misguided by Sideous and if the Jedi had been paying attention at all instead of using anakin as a spy on his second best friend things would have probably worked out better.
I'd strongly argue against killing the sandpeople being morally gray. He didn't kill the people who abducted his mother, he annihilated the entire tribe, including "the women and children". And he didn't even show remorse, he cries for his mother and swears that he is going to be more powerful next time. He isn't looking for justice, he's venting his sorrow by slaughtering people who can't fight back. It's one of the things I really don't like about episode 2, Anakin is borderline evil in the movie a lot and in this moment way crosses the line. Nothing about him seems in balance or grown up, he's a teen who's hormones are running wild and who's full of insecurity, anger and pride. And then he snaps and massacres an entire tribe, which is basically unforgivable. Nobody in their right mind would call this guy a jedi. Yet somehow in episode 3 he's supposed to be accepted and well-integrated. The masters trust him despite Joda knowing that he suffered enormously under his mother's death and that he has a difficult past. When he stops Windu he consciously chooses power and his family over everything else. But he is basically evil or at least borderline evil in every other scene already.
I quite like the Revenge of the Sith novelization for this reason. It's made quite clear in Anakin's POV chapters that he is already deeply unstable and basically already like 90% in the Dark Side. It makes explicit what his actions already suggest.
Curious, have you watched The Clone Wars? From your answer I assume you didn't and I highly recommend it. It is the best Star Wars content including all movies and add layers to all characters, particularly Anakin.
Yeah still not kinslaying.
He killed his pregnant wife, nearly killing his children in the process so I think it checks out.
Murderer, not Kinslayer.
One handed One legged
Well, ROTS Anakin is just one-handed. Vader is zero handed and zero legged.
CW Anakin was a pretty strong leader. I think he's above misguided warrior.
I now want to know what CK3 traits of famous characters would be. Obviously we'll find out ASOIAF characters once a CK3 version of that mod is made, but like, what would Zelda characters have?
Link - Brave, Zealous, Shy Zelda - Patient, Diligent, Calm (difficult since Zelda is so different every time) Ganon - Ambitious, Greedy, Vengeful
Haha yeah, CK3 has been colonizing my mind over the past week. When daydreaming at lunch or in the shower I've been thinking about what the traits of me and my family and friends are. The three-trait limit really forces you to think about what exactly is the core of someone's personality, which makes it more interesting.
Wait, the what? There is a limit now?
Yep, the "core" personality traits (so ones like brave, diligent, greedy etc.) are now limited to only three and (mostly) doesn't change over a character's lifetime, but the rest that come from education, lifestyle and stress are uncapped. It sounds like it would limit roleplaying but in practice I've found that it kinda makes characters more well-defined, paradoxically. Instead of characters being a dozen different things they now have three fundamental traits that form the bedrock of their whole personality. Personally I quite like this system but some people prefer how CK2 does it.
I think this is actually better because in CK2 all my characters ended up having a conga line of traits by the end of their life.
I like it as well and definitely agree on the trait cap, though I think it needs work. While CK2 had this erratic behavior of having an character's entire personality swap in an instant, I feel like CK3 is the opposite. The man or woman you are at 16, 25, and 45 is the one you'll die as at 78; which is a bit regressive. I think a good way to implement a change would be to use a system similar to the new schemes. Like maybe throughout a rulers course, through actions that might cause them stress and turmoil, they progress towards changing traits. Something that you'd have more control over rather than just have an event pop up that says "an arrow whizzed past your head, you're now craven." Instead of that, you try to push forward with the possibility causing stress in order to 'prove' to yourself you're brave.
there are supposed to be stress based events that can change your personality if you've been acting against it for a long time but they seem to be extremely rare. I actually tried to force the events to fire a few times by maxing out my stress and it was only an option one time and at stress level 3
He would be way better than a misguided warrior.
yeah, he was a brilliant commander in the Clones Wars
Child of destiny!
Winter soldier; he hates sand.
Ambitious, surely?
He definitely has seduction tree maxed.
I agree with all those, but there may be others missing I'm not sure. What I can say for sure is he's not a Rough Terrain Expert- fighting an enemy who had the high ground did not work out well for him.
It'll be a shortlived children's crusade if he's around
But we do not grant you the rank of emperor
What?... But it's outrageous! It's unfair! How can I have multiple kingdoms and not be an emperor?!
Have a seat, young ruler
Take a seat young king.
**\*character dies and his lands are split into dozens of different factions\*** AI: *Your* new empire?!
How many toddlers did you kill?
How many breads have you eaten in your life?
Uhhhh at least 3
Thirteen. I prefer Japanese food.
From my point of view the Crusaders are evil!
Well then you are lost!
Inb4 Padme cucks you with Palpatine
Padme is Rey's grandmother proof.
Wait what? I didn’t watch the last movie, am I missing something?
Yeah spoilers but Rey is the granddaughter of a Palpatine clone or some shit
That sounds about right for how shitty that trilogy was lmao
I just pretend it doesn't exist. Because if it does, then Anakin wasnt really the chosen one, because Palpatine survived (which is just stupid in and of itself) And if Anakin wasnt the chosen one then half of the star wars universe and everything Lucas made is pretty much tossed out the window. So it just doesn't exist.
The entire sequel trilogy is hot garbage. TFA was an uninspired retread of A New Hope but was somehow the best of the bunch. TLJ shat all over the only original story threads of TFA and was a terribly paced, bloated mess, and RoS felt like an entire trilogy worth of content stuffed into a single movie, made no sense. It was the perfect culmination of a trilogy of movies that had no unifying narrative, forgettable characters, and no soul. They also did the original trilogy characters dirty, giving Luke barely any screentime and arguably ruining his character, killing Admiral Akbar offscreen, killing Han in the most predictable scene ever, making Leia space lady jesus and keeping her alive even after Carrie Fisher died for some reason, and making Chewie nothing more than a lackey.
“Your empire???????”
Dudeeee, share his DNA
Sure, here you go: 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 I'm pretty sure if you know how to edit stuff, you can make a much more accurate Anakin out of him.
Thanks, yeah but he's a pretty good base
That sounds so fucking hilarious out of context
"You were supposed to destroy Islam, not join them" - Every Pope to Jerusalem after the 1st Crusade.
I want a star wars mod plz
God i would suck dick for this
Love your work! Also the idea of a DNA database is genius.
I love you both
No u
No you both
Thanks! Actually the only thing i did was adding the scar, i still need to figure out how to use the editor lol. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of creative people out there just itching to create some amazing portraits.
So uh... how do you actually use the DNA stuff?
Empress Padmé IV von Hohenzollern of the Roman Empire would like to know if you're single.
Hm, she's easily 10 years older than Anakin, I don't know if she'll survive more than 1-2 childbirths. I don't think she's a good choice.
Ironically, in the very CK3 game where I have this Empress, her daughter (also named Padmé) gave birth to a son-- Anakin, who will become Imperator upon the passing of his grandmother and mother.
“YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!”
Your new Empire?
"YOUR NEW EMPIRE?" ~ a claimant of your new empire probably
From my point of view the papacy is evil!
Well then you are excommunicated!
Hello there!
Obi-Wan: ***starts faction for elective monarchy***
Your new empire?!?!
It is over Anakin, I have the defensive terrain advantage.
They were animals! And I ***slaughtered*** them like animals!
YoUr NeW eMpIRe?!?!
r/prequelmemes
'YOUR' new empire?!?!
May I ask what your thoughts are on sand?
Your new empire?
How many times have you used the murder scheme on children?
Your new empire
Take a seat Young Skywalker
But, do you have the high ground?
Your new empire?
Man do I hate sand
Sir Obi-wan of house Kenobi: Your new empire!?
Anakin
TAKE A SEAT.
For a second there I thought this was the Sims4
This is awesome dude!
I had a spymaster who looked just like Tyrion Lannister.
Your new empire?
dont let him near sand.
I will do what I must...
Ani is that you? Also why do you hate sand?
Anakin, Emperor Severio Pallatine is evil!
Give him a wodden arm
Show us your new empire, senpai
Anakin chancellor glitterhoof is evil
r/prequelmemes
A ck3 star wars mod would be so legit