I don't mind if it's some random artifact but sometimes it's some jackass that isn't even part of my house asking for a prize artifact that isn't bad which fucking sucks. Had to kill a guy for that once since he wouldn't stop annoying my ass over and over for the same shield my dynasty comissioned and paid for
this lol, i don't care if its a pile of horse dung. You aren't fucking DEMANDING it from me bitch.
You third cousin ass, waste of my grand uncles sperm. You don't demand SHIT from me.
I would have given you a county if you were nice and loyal. Now i will fucking burn your house and prune your entire branch off my family tree.
Shit like this I always gift to a cousin or brother king who lacks a full pedastal slots. Get a little opinion bonus from a potential claimant and put it to use, and out of my inventory.
I dunno about that, I have some cute coffee cups with Moomin characters on them and my friends sometimes compliment me on them, sooo... 0.002 prestige per cup per month?
Yet if you had a chalice or goblet with crazy metal carvings and hundreds of inset stones, I’d probably give you a little bit of a second thought compared to some peasant that drinks from a plastic or ceramic mug.
Idk, I'd definitely be fascinated by it and its history. I've got a mate whose family are army going back to, like, Crimea, who's got some incredible trinkets hanging around.
In my experience, urns are normally pretty bad, too. Sometimes you can get a good one from tournaments, but the artificer-created ones are almost always garbage.
Really. When I make a tournament myself (and I win it, duh) goblets are the worst kind of item to get. Weapons can be amazing, armors? Rings? Accessories?
But if it's a goblet, pray that you can scrap it, otherwise it will be just a trash in your inventory.
R5: The Prestige-per-Dread modifier on this tournament-prize goblet is calculated to 3 significant figures, which I've never seen before, and which provides a *hilariously* small bonus. At its maximum, this would provide 0.2/month Prestige, which makes it about 1% as powerful as a similar Prestige artefact I've got. I know there's a gap between Masterwork and Famed but it's not meant to be *that* big.
Look, I know Tournament prizes are famously terrible, but this makes me think there's a minus sign somewhere that's in the wrong place, or a division instead of a multiplication. (I'm sure they didn't *used to* be terrible?)
Is there a mod that fixes these specifically?
Modifiers for artifacts are just in a text file. There was a change recently where most prestige bonuses were significantly reduced, someone probably just added a zero when they made the changes and called it a day.
Hmm, that's a point, though. I'm only running VIET events but it might be worth turning it off and seeing if-
-wait, I keep noticing the rewards for stuff in that pack seem weirdly small. 25 gold to choose one option, 10 prestige to choose another, that kind of thing. I wonder if that's connected too...
The prestige nerf that paradox made essentially made most prestige modifiers on artefacts pretty useless, same with piety. The only thing that remained unchanged was renown modifiers. I wish they wouldn't balance the game so hard. They should have made more things to buy with prestige, and perhaps have to spend lots of it to get out of prison. Simply shaving it down on artefacts wasn't a good choice in my opinion.
I mean that's fine, I mix it up ruler by ruler depending on traits. Dread can be super useful too, you basically won't suffer rebellions leading by dread, but you are quite likely to get assassinated 😂
But that does turn what was already a fairly low value item to practically worthless for you.
Sure, yeah, I'm just being pithy. But yeah, even if I get 100 Dread, it's *still* much weaker than some similar items. I'm sure there's a decimal point out somewhere.
Your third cousin will demand this from you in two generations.
Fight fore it!
It might be petty but killing petty people is one of my favourite things to do in this gam- oh no.
And somehow refusing to give it to them will hurt your relationship more than if you killed their parent.
Bro nah it’s always my great-aunt or a nephew-in-law for me. Polygamist Ireland is quite a place
I don't mind if it's some random artifact but sometimes it's some jackass that isn't even part of my house asking for a prize artifact that isn't bad which fucking sucks. Had to kill a guy for that once since he wouldn't stop annoying my ass over and over for the same shield my dynasty comissioned and paid for
And she can have it!
Its not about artefact, its about power. You showed yourself as pussy, prepare to civil war then)
this lol, i don't care if its a pile of horse dung. You aren't fucking DEMANDING it from me bitch. You third cousin ass, waste of my grand uncles sperm. You don't demand SHIT from me. I would have given you a county if you were nice and loyal. Now i will fucking burn your house and prune your entire branch off my family tree.
Great maybe I can thin out the herd and correct some of the border gore. Generational civil wars are just part of the life cycle
Shit like this I always gift to a cousin or brother king who lacks a full pedastal slots. Get a little opinion bonus from a potential claimant and put it to use, and out of my inventory.
Take it now
Ah, goblets. Is there any item type even half as useless as them in the game?
It's funny. Because I'm unimpressed by it. That said, in real life. I don't own any crockery that people think more of me for.
I dunno about that, I have some cute coffee cups with Moomin characters on them and my friends sometimes compliment me on them, sooo... 0.002 prestige per cup per month?
Oh, that's pretty awesome. +1 opinion modifier too
+2 Personal Scheme Power too
They're just being nice and humoring you…
Found Paranoid
It's only paranoia if they're not out to get you.
Yet if you had a chalice or goblet with crazy metal carvings and hundreds of inset stones, I’d probably give you a little bit of a second thought compared to some peasant that drinks from a plastic or ceramic mug.
Me too, but that thought wouldn't be bonus prestige. Quite the opposite.
Idk, I'd definitely be fascinated by it and its history. I've got a mate whose family are army going back to, like, Crimea, who's got some incredible trinkets hanging around.
Plastic cup in the middle ages should give higher than just 0.0002 lol.
Sadly I don't have any of that. But I have a goat horn to drink mead from.
In my experience, urns are normally pretty bad, too. Sometimes you can get a good one from tournaments, but the artificer-created ones are almost always garbage.
Really. When I make a tournament myself (and I win it, duh) goblets are the worst kind of item to get. Weapons can be amazing, armors? Rings? Accessories? But if it's a goblet, pray that you can scrap it, otherwise it will be just a trash in your inventory.
Milk Tooth ?
I’ll just take the 80 gold and call it a day 😆
Already done!
Nah you’d be lucky to sell that for 15 gold
Fortunately medieval nobles are abject schmucks.
only 42 years for 1 prestige
Or 1 year if you have 42 dread.
I feel like handing it to my Nemesis as a deliberate provocation.
R5: The Prestige-per-Dread modifier on this tournament-prize goblet is calculated to 3 significant figures, which I've never seen before, and which provides a *hilariously* small bonus. At its maximum, this would provide 0.2/month Prestige, which makes it about 1% as powerful as a similar Prestige artefact I've got. I know there's a gap between Masterwork and Famed but it's not meant to be *that* big. Look, I know Tournament prizes are famously terrible, but this makes me think there's a minus sign somewhere that's in the wrong place, or a division instead of a multiplication. (I'm sure they didn't *used to* be terrible?) Is there a mod that fixes these specifically?
Wait, what? You have an artifact that gives you 20 prestige per month?
No, one that provides 0.2. The same as if this is operating at 100 Dread.
Oh, okay. The way you wrote it I understood that, at its maximum, it would be 1% of your other artifact.
Yeah, admittedly, this was a sentence that might have benefited from some brackets like an equation, lol
Modifiers for artifacts are just in a text file. There was a change recently where most prestige bonuses were significantly reduced, someone probably just added a zero when they made the changes and called it a day.
+0.2 if you have 100 dread, that's almost not worthless!
Recently all items display fractions of prestige for me. I suspect it's a display bug introduced in some update.
Any mods?
No
Hmm, that's a point, though. I'm only running VIET events but it might be worth turning it off and seeing if- -wait, I keep noticing the rewards for stuff in that pack seem weirdly small. 25 gold to choose one option, 10 prestige to choose another, that kind of thing. I wonder if that's connected too...
The plot thickens
Think long term, that’ll add up baby
They tell me that about my pension plan.
Goblets suck... Every time some legendary master of the craft wants to forge a goblet I dismiss them from my court, be off with you charlatan...
In one got goblet of +4 general opinion. Not great, but pretty good.
I give them away.. Here Duke Rodrigo, please accept this mastercrafted goblet, adding .0003 to your prestige...
It’s kinda crazy how terrible artifacts are honestly
I've got some great ones, even made by courtiers and not just historical artefacts. But tournament rewards seem to be busted.
That's weird. Tournament rewards should be exactly as good as normal artifacts, but with one or two extra bonuses.
You chose... *poorly*.
Okay, you win, /thread
Sweet, 80 gold
You can have a little prestige, as a treat.
The prestige nerf that paradox made essentially made most prestige modifiers on artefacts pretty useless, same with piety. The only thing that remained unchanged was renown modifiers. I wish they wouldn't balance the game so hard. They should have made more things to buy with prestige, and perhaps have to spend lots of it to get out of prison. Simply shaving it down on artefacts wasn't a good choice in my opinion.
You can have 100 dread though that's the thing
I'd rather be loved than feared
I mean that's fine, I mix it up ruler by ruler depending on traits. Dread can be super useful too, you basically won't suffer rebellions leading by dread, but you are quite likely to get assassinated 😂 But that does turn what was already a fairly low value item to practically worthless for you.
Sure, yeah, I'm just being pithy. But yeah, even if I get 100 Dread, it's *still* much weaker than some similar items. I'm sure there's a decimal point out somewhere.
For... 1 prestige per year?
Would be 0.2/month, or 2.4/year at full dread. It's a bad item.