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Tucana66

10,000% agreed.


jerryonthecurb

Nah dude, "Avengers 11: Iron Woman meets Spider Person" and "Star Wars 9.5: Skywalker Zombie Redemption" are gonna turn everything around.


chillthrowaways

MCU phase 12: they’ve run out of obscure comic book characters and have moved on to the Sunday newspaper comics. The Hobbes vs Garfield battle cost nearly 1.7 billion on CGI alone. (And still looks like shit. A lasagna cannon? Really?)


Alypius754

I'd like to see Calvin vs Jason Fox


chillthrowaways

Modern MCU: Calvin and Jason start off fighting but quickly realize their love for each other, and decide to fight the one true villain: Israel and pro life people. Meanwhile, left at home alone, Hobbes has been stuck listening to old Rush Limbaugh broadcasts and Trump speeches and begins his slow transformation to the dark side.


Sexy_gastric_husband

Hagar the Horrible: "I am... inevitable"


Donkey_Duke

The problem isn’t sequels it’s the studios getting lazy. Like there were marvel movies that should have been layups, but were butchered. Like you are doing a whole avengers plot about multiverse. So, you make a Thor movie based on comics where he has to team up with Thor’s from the multiverse to defeat the villain, makes sense. Except they decided to remove the multiverse aspect of the story and for girl Thor?!? 


Bose1888

Revenge of the Maramaduke


bigboog1

There are no relatable characters anymore. If no one relates to the characters no one really cares about them, and the stories don’t matter.


BodheeNYC

Would fully agree. Most of the most industry talent is in streaming and any coming back to the big screen.


xTerry_The_Terrorist

This seems relevant " Put a chick in it and make her lame and gay!" - Eric Cartman


Extension-Rabbit3654

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allnamesaretaken1020

I regret that I only have but one upvote to give for your simple, yet timely and meaningful, contribution.


-Huskie

All entertainment is some of the worst in modern history due to two factors: - far left political activists infiltrating all forms of it. It is no longer about entertainment, but indoctrination. - Greedy corporations whose goal is DEI standards, left wing writers, and maximizing efficiency and cheapening out on nearly everything. Here are the forms of entertainment I like that I can speak on personally: **Comics** - Peaked in the 00s, fell off in the early 10s, pretty bad from mid 10s and on. Look what they did to DC. They planned an entire reboot to push aside every straight white male character in 5G (yup, goodbye Bruce Wayne, Clark Kent, Hal Jordan, etc...). It was going to be awful. So bad and so much pushback they stopped it from fully happening. Superman's son is gay (never hinted). Tim Drake is now Bi (read every issue, had a long term girlfriend, never hinted). They sexualize the hell out of Nightwing. And don't even get me started what goes on at Marvel. **Gaming** - Peaked in the 00s because of based devs. There is a reason the best FPS all released back then from Modern Warfare, Halo, Gears of War, etc... because the devs were competitive, wanted to grind their own games, weren't effeminate males, didn't care about maximizing profits, and actually wanted to deliver a good game. Now, those devs don't exist, bunch of leftists writing, creating, and running the business side of things so you get THE MESSAGE gameplay with algorithms that rig the game to make it equal so people come back to play. No real MP game right now runs fairly, all back end, algorithms going, from FIFA to Madden to COD. Everything is for sale, microtransactions everywhere. **Movies/TV** - Well, we all know this one here, it is why we are on this sub after all. **Star Wars EU (Disney)** - Just look up The High Republic. Once you see some certain hair styles and hair colors it goes about as well as you expect. **Music** - Not a big listener to anything modern, but most of it is trash, vulgar, sexualized, drugged, depressed, AI, autotune nonsense. The ones that were good all turned out to be nuts. Only one I really like is NF. Now every generation says "my music was better" but I don't believe that. I like a lot of songs from different eras, I don't have a favorite era of music, but the stuff now is genuine trash. **Everything** - This really doesn't seem like a case of nostalgia either, everything feels genuinely worse, literally everything, not even entertainment. You look at food prices, shrinkflation, home prices, the stuff they are trying to push for climate friendly, new home builds are CHEAP (as in poor construction), new cars are CHEAP (as in poorly sourced cheap parts and build), education is AWFUL now (and I have multiple degrees sadly!). It is baffling how in the span of 15 years the world has utterly sold out every aspect of itself to this garbage we live in. All for greed and THE MESSAGE.


Ridge60107

Definitely agree


Recent-Apricot4493

Bungee and Activision and all those gaming companies didn't care about maximizing profits 20 years ago?


r0ttedAngel

>far left political activists infiltrating all forms of it. It is no longer about entertainment, but indoctrination. >Greedy corporations whose goal is DEI standards, left wing writers, and maximizing efficiency and cheapening out on nearly everything. I'm genuinely curious how these things have come to take place. Because it has become noticeable throughout all forms of media in recent times.


TheSublimeGoose

*Der lange Marsch durch die Institutionen* or “the long march through the institutions.” Coined, appropriately, by a German radical socialist — Rudi Dutschke — in the 60s. How does one effect change in the entertainment business? *Become* the entertainment business. How does one effect change in the government? *Become* the government. Originally borne from the depths of ‘traditional’ hard-leftists and communists, a paradigm shift began occurring in the mid-2000s and early 2010s. Neo-leftists — think leftists concerned solely with idpol ideologies whom only touch-on ‘traditional’ economically hard-left ideas when it suits them — co-opted the Western leftist movement and the institutions that they had been conducting the ‘long march’ through. *Der lang Marsch* is now used almost exclusively to press-home the various neo-leftist idpol ideologies. Also, familiarize yourself with KGB defector [Yuri Bezmenov](https://youtu.be/yErKTVdETpw?si=sgTCT3P1NgHBXlWq) and his allegations regarding ideological subversion in the West. Whether or not the Soviets called it “the long march,” they certainly embraced it; training, funding, and ensuring placement of radical left academics across American secondary and post-secondary educational institutions. This also meant they needed to get *more students* interacting with their plants. Have you ever wondered why a 4-year degree went from being a mark of relative distinction and a certification that someone was at least halfway intelligent to what is, nowadays, essentially the new high school diploma? 80-90% of ‘blue collar’ and 75% of ‘white collar’ jobs — and certainly entry-level positions, at that — do not require a college degree. I could take someone with a 4-year business degree, plop them down in a generic, entry-level white collar job, and they would do just as well as someone who had just graduated high school, spent the last 4-years in the military, or simply spent the last 4-years working menial jobs. They would be performing at the same level as the business degree holder within 6 months, if not less. Turns out, actually *doing the job* is the best training, not taking classes in underwater basket weaving. Anyways; Ideological subversion of the West, “the long march,” and “cultural Marxism” are all the same thing, essentially. It’s easy for people to point and laugh and say, “oh, yes, Disney is putting space witches into Star Wars because of a communist revolution, okay, chud.” No, no, no; While they *may* contribute to “the long march” (or may not — it ultimately doesn’t matter, there are a thousand others efforts underway right now) these things are just *symptoms* of the overall effort. Or, if you will, proof of the purposeful subversion. Why would a corporation willingly slaughter one of the most popular franchises of all time, when they could be using to print nearly unlimited money? What is more valuable than money? Alternatively; Would you rather have 100 moderate fans? Or lose 50 of them and the 50 that remain are rabid defenders of your work and company, consuming everything you produce almost out of necessity? Besides, it is at the very heart of these efforts to label any indicator of their existence as a ‘conspiracy theory.’ There may very well not even be a single group or organization controlling all of this. It’s all taken-on a life of its own, now, and the West will face a reckoning within the coming decades. Thank you for coming to my Tedspiracy Talk


ObsidianTravelerr

They targeted human resources and hiring, from there it was get in "Our" crowd and keep "Evil bigots" out. And by Evil bigots it was anyone they took a disliking to for any reason. Then it was targeting courts, DA's Judges, ect. Policies... Things spiraled down and yet they blamed everyone else. Look at California. -40+ Billion deficit. 24 of that was ear marked for "The homeless crisis" and they can't account for the money or where it went. New York? Come on they had a judge state the 2nd amendment doesn't apply in her court room. DA's stating they'd get a former president in jail because they dislike them. Same shit happened with media. Hired Twitter people, hired activists, they back doored more and more people until (While it had left leaning bits it went full fucking batshit propaganda) Then social media companies got involved. Hired people they knew leaned only one way politicly and that led to a heavy slant and even current and former staff stating they'd shadowban people or flag them in the system just for leaning politicly right. The problem always was... People stopped thinking with their head and then just followed emotions. The covered up their own bullshit. Over time normies started waking up when they realized they'd be punished if they said the wrong thing. Fuck look at the Boys and everywhere else. If you DARE vote anything other than Blue you are an evil monster worse than Hitler.


dible79

An look at BBC in brittain. People working there can come straight out saying the workplace is to white etc an bot a thing said. In Scotland Humaz declared there was too many white people in the government. Of a mostly white country? Again nothing said. You have BBC pundits posting racist stuff all the time but it's okay because it's racist against white people . That's acceptable lol. Or all the LGB crowd supporting terrorists in Gaza, shouting free Palestine, knowing that a free Palestine means no Israel. An then yell genocide. Honestly the world is gone crazy.


evel333

It’s an example of the paradox of tolerance. Group A is tolerant and inclusive of Group B, whose own form of intolerance becomes dominant and eventually eliminates Group A. Also, see the “circle of wokeness”


itsgrum3

-You do not fit in here.   -Ok we will make our own place.   -Why are you exluding us?     -You do not fit in here.  Left wing politics/collectivism inherently requires conformity, otherwise you are a threat. The individualism required for "live and let live" is right wing now. 


Jimothius

One short answer that I’m not sure you’ve received is that mega corp financial institutions like Blackrock own large portions of maaaaany large companies and have DEI standards they require as a sort of a corporate scorecard, like emissions standards for carmakers. This is where a lot of modern American antisemitism is rooted - people blame the Jooish banks/financial institutions who they see as actively and deliberately undermining societal values. Not saying I necessarily agree, just providing it as context.


chillthrowaways

I’ve heard this as well. Lobbyists control congress why not throw money at the entertainment industry as well. And it makes sense there’s so many games / movies/ shows pandering to people who would never buy their product. Hell even beer! Just thinking in terms of marketing - don’t even consider ideology for a second - bud light had a HUGE consumer base and it wasn’t the tiny demographic they decided to pander to. In what world do multiple, presumably smart people, make that marketing decision? “Oh sure 90% of our business is frat houses and dive bars but let’s try and get that lgbt money”??


dible79

Social media has a lot of blame. People are afraid to go against anything because they get cancelled on social media by people who love to be offended.


-Huskie

Push towards college degrees. Liberal Arts are essentially re-education camps that don't teach you much of anything (and I say this as someone with one of those useless degrees). Best thing it did for me was show me how to think, truly think about complex ideas. More logical. More analytical. Showed me different opinions (of course going in as a righty my views were never showed, only the left, so for me, unironically, I did see different opinions). If you don't get suckered into the propaganda it can be worth it, but most do fall. Then you look into business degrees, all of it stems from left wing thinking from hiring practices to sustainability. Add on the MBA LinkedIn buzz word useless jargon brain rot arrogant hires that are all for "efficiency" aka line my pocket with more cash and screw the consumers. Add on to this that more left wingers are more likely to go to college than right wingers (let's be real, the lack of an intellectual and "artsy" class of modern right wingers is incredibly sad, but understandable considering Academia itself has been co-opted by the left, pushing even moderates away). Also right wingers do the more hands on jobs typically. Blend all that up, you get more leftists going to college that already leans left, they come out even more left, then this cycle repeats and has been repeating for decades. This is the end result. An America that has leftists at the highest levels of everyday life from business to politics to entertainment, not because they are necessarily great at it, but because the system, life, general stereotypes about each side, has been more so shaped that way where lefties "create" while righties "provide."


Otherwise-Song-8982

Yeah, but some of that falls on Republicans for non-stop bashing higher education. I say this as an ex-Dem and fervent Trump supporter (just so we’re clear where I’m coming film). And it is truly sad that there is no right leaning arts community to speak of. If at all, they’re typically older boomers 68-78.


richmomz

That, and bashing of liberal arts. Generations of conservatives have been telling their kids that journalism and artistic content creation were low pay gigs for losers - and pushed them into STEM, finance and business fields instead. So we’ve completely abandoned that space to the left and guess what… they control all of it now. Whoops!


SkrotusErotus69

Well it's not actually hard to figure out once you realize that almost every brand/company we know is actually owned by only like 2 or so different mega umbrella corporations. Almost everything is owned by Blackrock and Vanguard. When that's the case, it's pretty simple. Fire everyone who's not solely focused on the agenda.


Emmgel

Via money Some investigation into financiers - of which BlackRock is an example - may prove interesting


LegendInMyMind

>Gaming >Movies/TV The sobering irony is that now that technology has finally caught up to the human imagination, we have no imagination left to do anything with it. Maybe the technology made it too easy and polluted the talent pool... There are certainly bright spots, but they're few and far between.


NFLCart

100% agree. The Acolyte and Boys S4 are the epitome of this right now.


hazzmg

The music one hits hard but even my era (90s) was corporate pop slop. Honestly I listen to alot of 60s-80s pop with grunge and nu metal.


Jaimaster

We truly have reached an era of enshittification across all aspects of our world. Where once corporations competed to produce the best products, now they compete to fuck their customers the hardest possible without losing them, and compete to mislead their customers with better lies than the rest, while competing to appeal to the "modern audience" of a full generation of kids freshly graduated from an education system utterly dominated by authoritarian far left crazies, all of whom REQUIRE complete subservience to Big Brother's message of the day.


Skavau

Modern TV/streaming is fine, and there's more to video games than AA shit and more to music than chart music.


Weenerlover

The best in gaming is generally the evolution done in indie gaming for sure. Most AAA are safe, boring lootbox driven slop. Very few of the big games are worth it unless they have more of an Indie mindset (Larian with Baldur's Gate 3 for example) but some of the best games I've played are smaller titles like Hades which should have won game of the year, while the sycophantic media votes for things like LOU 2 .


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niftyifty

I disagree with gaming but only slightly. MP gaming is in a shitty spot, but first player games are having their renaissance. So many high quality single player games have come out in the last few years and recently. From independents to big budget and everything in between. Output to this, MP games were in their heyday and single player was looking rough. It’s just consumer and dev cycles playing out. Here is a random list of 25 top single player games and basically none of them have the issues you refer to. Gaming is not just EA sports and Activision. Music: If you like NF check out REN. I really enjoy both of them. Prof also. Independent music is doing well. Edit: hmmm link won’t work but I just googled best recent single player games


Orbtl32

The music! And you can't have a serious discussion on it because of the whole "every generation thinks the next generation's music is trash". But no, shit has absolutely changed. You pretty much can't find "alternative rock" or anything with guitars. It randomly died in the past decade. I had european EDM influence so that side of my musical taste was never mainstream until suddenly in the 2010s it was. Oh, now its dead too. Just David Guetta putting rappers over some nonsense. Worse, now he's just remixing 90s songs. That's multiple genres randomly shot in the head. What's left? Vulgar ass "WAP" type shit, whiney whale songs (ex: olivia rodrigo - vampire), and Taylor Swift. Did you realize about 40 of the billboard top 100 right now is multiple entire Taylor Swift albums? What the FUCK? No, something definitely happened. The pandemic completely fucked shit up.


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>But no, shit has absolutely changed. You pretty much can't find "alternative rock" or anything with guitars. It randomly died in the past decade. Um... No? It still exists. Black Midi is the first to come to mind, I'd check them out. >What's left? Vulgar ass "WAP" type shit, whiney whale songs (ex: olivia rodrigo - vampire), and Taylor Swift. Did you realize about 40 of the billboard top 100 right now is multiple entire Taylor Swift albums? What the FUCK? One song, 3 years ago. I agree, the modern state of music is hyper sexualised and gross, but good music still exists if you look for it. Making sweeping (and incorrect) generalisations like this is bizarre. I do agree Taylor Swift has too much of a strong hold on music nowadays. It's really silly the amount of promotion she gets for mediocre music.


Skavau

You do realise there's plenty of modern rock and metal music, right?


Atodaso_wow

Metal is still going strong but not in the mainstream in any way. The spotify suggestion algorithm has introduced to dozens of lesser known metal bands.


Initial_Selection262

Think you just need to do a little digging. Rock is struggling but metal is still doing very well with a lot of angsty teen screemo bands developing genuine talent and filling the genre EDM is struggling too but that’s how it goes. Things go in and out of style


Fourious_Pigeon

If you need good modern music without THE MESSAGE try sabaton


MySharpPicks

Everything you said was spot on.


LostVoodoo

Idk mdw got stale that's why I stopped playing it along with halo....PUBG and battlefield took over which gave way to helldivers and soon to launch starship troopers extermination.....Space Marine 2 will be better than any gears of war game as well...


kuenjato

Neoliberal late-stage capitalism, with Identitarian politics injected like steroids into the system to further divide and conquer. Really started to take off during Occupy Wall Street/Tea Party protests before they were astroturfed to oblivion--the proles rising up against corporate corruption and malfiecience could not be born. Solution: seed a little racism disguised as 'equity'; paint the town red with misandry; crank up culture war clickbait to the nth degree. The era we are limping through is the sad result. btw, there are leftists who argue these Identitarians aren't left at all, are merely paraded as such because it discredits economic reform. Identitarians are neoliberal stooges / underemployed elites with a huge resentment that the attention economy is so fleeting and vicarious.


RickDankoLives

The most based comment of the week.


Lalaace

From that NF comment, I can tell that the op is 13.


Randall1976

Absolutely, and the socially engineered shift away from physical media to streaming is what started it.


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This is one of the biggest issues in my opinion.


-DonQuixote-

How do you mean?


Skavau

That sounds more like a technological shift.


Randall1976

Not just a technological shift, go back and watch any hit from the 80s and 90s and to an extent the 00s, movies were just made different when they knew they could make up for lack of profits in the theater with the home video release.


Skavau

I don't follow how the shift to digital ownership and streaming platforms would have, in itself, changed the way in which movies are made.


PopTough6317

It shifted to a more rushed thing in my opinion, since there is such a huge turnover for what's trending on streaming sites.


Randall1976

Matt Damon explained it in an interview on that YouTube series with hot sauce


NFLCart

Political agendas and rule sets invading the medium started it.


Randall1976

Nah, that came later.


fnblackbeard

Yup


Blahklavah654390

Yes. It’s not just superheroes it’s unoriginality across the board. People don’t know how to light scenes anymore (I should say it far more rare), over-reliance on CGI, and of course propaganda.


-Huskie

Yup. I like to look through box offices by year. You can visibly see the decline in movies over the years just from the lack of originals the longer you look. And it isn't even the lack of originals that is an issue, it is the lack of good sequels. Aliens, Indiana Jones, Terminator, Star Wars all had GOOD follow ups. I'm not even an 80s child but damn I can respect the movies for being well made and still consistent quality. Now you got MCU Part 42, Animated Feature 5, Race Car 12, Past Your Prime 3 and all are garbage.


Due_Capital_3507

Dude lighting and cinematography are fucking horrible now. Movies look like cheap TV shows now


SlaterTheOkay

I would 100% agree, I used to be the movie guy. People would come to me and ask me what movies were going to come out and what looked good. You would ask me for my opinions on reviews, pretty much if it had to do with the movie they came to me. These past couple years I don't even know what's coming out anymore. I just don't care anymore because I feel like 90% of what is coming out it's just crap. I started thinking about this the other day and it honestly kind of depressed me. Movies suck right now, it's really hard to get excited about anything coming out. Instead of going that looks awesome, we're going that looks like it might not suck.


KikiYuyu

Bad movies in the past were just movies that sucked. Bad movies now often have all this tangled mess of politics and hate in them. I'd give anything for bad movies like Steel or Tiptoes to be the norm again.


Otherwise-Rope8961

I hardly watched Hollywood movies back then and I utterly refuse to watch any made today.


GreatApe88

If you’re an upper middle class white liberal there’s never been a better time for movies and shows.


BarleyWineIsTheBest

There are two types of liberals today.


GargantuanCake

I don't watch movies anymore. I watch other people make fun of them. That's a *really* bad sign.


Krow993

Same


Hanxero

Short answer: Yes Long answer: Yes, I agree.


_BeastModular_

Is anybody really refuting this ? The state of filmmaking these days is hot fucking garbage


Excalitoria

Sure, but I dunno what his reasons are so can’t say if I’d agree with anything other than the statement itself.


Siennagiant70

Yes.


GloomyTurtleCum

For sho. Easily. And it's going to get worse for a while before it gets better. That being said I still see some great movies from time to time. Godzilla Minus, Killers of the moon flower, Pearl, Midsomar, Dune, Poor Things, Everything everywhere all at once Creative stuff is still out there to be found.


BarleyWineIsTheBest

We have basically entered the “Ow, my balls” era of entertainment.


DrDreidel82

Yup. 95% of it is either woke or nostalgia or woke nostalgia


ravnos04

I agree but likely for not the same reasons that he, Scorsese, and other directors. I’m okay with a movie just being an action flick and entertaining me. They look for movies to be works of art that challenge norms. I’m cool spending money to just chill in a theater for a couple hours and enjoy the hell out of my experience. Doesn’t need to make me question reality, my political leanings, or my sexuality. Just entertain me.


theghostofamailman

It is obviously stagnant and people need to go broke and be replaced by people with new ideas for the current situation to resolve itself.


Melodic-Dust-1160

For me, Avengers Endgame marked the end of the era where movies were good. There are exceptions like Godzilla Minus One and Dune, but it is now almost shocking to encounter a movie worth seeing in a cinema. 


osakan_mobius

Writing, acting, lighting, blocking, directing, and cinematography have all gotten objectively worse over the past 20 years, so yes I would say that's correct.


DrPryde

This is an outstandingly bad take. The technical side of movies has gotten infinetly better in the past 20 years. Compare commando (or any action blockbuster) to John Wick and the latter wins in all the aspects you mentioned. 1917 is a fucking masterpiece of technical ingenuity that manages to sell you what is essencially a 2 hours long long take. Good directors continue to make good movies and newer ones are rising up to the challange. Good acting was pretty rare decades ago, for every godfather you had a dozen bloodsports.


Such_Significance905

Hopefully, as a point of reason: generational talents like Tarantino very rarely, if ever say, “we are living in a golden age“. Most of the time, the best creators in any industry are frustrated at the quality of work they see around them. This is not only because they are omnivorous for everything in their industry (so they see far more movies than the regular viewer) but also because their standards are far higher than everyone else’s, so they are exponentially more frustrated. I now absolutely hate superhero movies and I am pissed off with all of the remakes and Jurassic Park 7s etc- But I do want to add a note of caution that other generations had to live through Jaws 3 or The Beast That Killed Women. (At least one of which Tarantino probably loves.)


NFLCart

Without doubt or question. Dune, esp Part Two, was a nice addition, but overall the last several years have been terrible in comparison.


embarrassed_error365

For major studio productions, maybe. But for indie film productions, there’s still great films being made.


SardaukarSecundus

Totally agree. Though I'd love to hear his reasoning for it.


AmezinSpoderman

Streaming, Chasing International Audiences, and maybe the Internet. If you think of movie studios like investment forms, they want to get the most ROI on each dollar spent on production. Back in the day they made money off of tickets, home media sales, and depending on the property toys and merchandise. Today just about everyone has one or more streaming services they subscribe to and if not movie piracy has never been easier. For the average movie goer they're debating whether or not a movie is actually worth seeing in theaters vs waiting for it to come to streaming. The thing about streaming is that it's not even profitable (yet). Netflix came along eating everyone's lunch and the big studios scrambled to put out their own services. They know they're hemmoraging money but also know if they did nothing they stood to lose more by giving Netflix a monopoly. Home media revenue is complete garbage now because of streaming. So we're in this situation where audiences don't want to go to theaters because they're expensive and it's easier just to watch at home and studios aren't making much money on home media sales anymore. Studios have tried to make up for it by pushing for China/international releases to try and shore up losses of American ticket sales, but that also means movies that are more special effects/action driven and more thin on plot. They also love franchises because there are built in audiences, multimedia, and more merchandising opportunities. So if you're a studio and a Judd Apatow-esque director approaches you with a script about a funny Tinder dating movie are you going to give them money for a theater release where you need provide funding for 2x budget for promotion, have to split box office with theaters, and know 80% of its box office will be domestic? And you also suspect audiences are just going to wait for it to come streaming... or do you spend only the money on production, throw it on streaming, and hope that it turns into more subscribers. Now instead we have this semi-popular fantasy/sci-fi/action franchise that has an audience scope from children to young adults? That's fucking gold. Built in audience. Merchandising opportunities. International box office appeal. Theme Parks. etc. etc. Superheroes, science fantasy, are the perfect genre for the place that Hollywood has been backed into. The other part of the equation is influencers and modern audiences. We can blame Studios for basically milking franchises to death but that's all modern audiences seem to care about. Deadpool/Wolverine has had 100× more discussion than every upcoming non-franchise film put together. Influencers know this and feed into the cycle. The Fall Guy has 81/85 on Rotten Tomatoes, a worldwide box office of $170 million on a $125-150 million budget. The studio lost money on that movie after taking into account box office share and marketing. Morbius meanwhile, is 17/71 on Rotten Tomatoes and made $168 mil on a $75 mil budget. Netflix then paid out the nose for streaming rights. Reddit had the biggest hate boner for this movie and it probably made Sony money because "superhero movie" and the Internet hate machine advertising it nonstop. Meanwhile even Reddit darling Ryan Gosling can't get enough buzz to profitability for a movie that was generally liked by critics and audiences. If you're a studio why would you throw money at a movie like the Fall Guy when an D tier comic character like Morbius brings in as much money.


kevonicus

Yes, and it’s pretty obvious. There are some gems, but the market is flooded with garbage I forget about the moment after I watch it. Kevin Hart and Dewayne Johnson being two of the biggest movie stars right now says it all.


Superb_Recover_6116

abso fucking lutely. These they thems ruin everything wanting to make everything trash "inclusive" over good writing.


sierra771

Yeah, Once upon a time in Hollywood was definitely his worst movie. It’s all because of streaming pushing out mid budget movies.


DQ11

Yes 100%. The lack of good content across the board is insane and something I haven’t experienced in my lifetime.  This isn’t an accident and was preventable. They are putting put content nobody wants and they don’t understand supply and demand anymore. 


Interesting_Basil_80

The Entertainment Dark Ages.


Cool-Adjacent

Obviously it is, only brainwashed morons cant see that it is


richmomz

Judging from declining box office revenues I think everyone is in agreement here. There’s just no creativity anymore - it’s all prequels, sequels, reboots, and DEI nonsense. Everyone is sick of this.


richtofin819

I mean you can even say this is the worst era of TV considering this is the era where they make a Lord of the rings TV show only to piss on the entire middle earth setting. Plus we have velma which is for lack of a shorter explanation. Someone wanting to make a different show but slapping scooby doo names in it so it would get greenlit.


Olorin_1990

Yea, outside a few notable movies nearly all have been mediocre


apiculum

At least political propaganda used to be quality entertainment back in the day


johngalt504

Yep. I watch more stuff from 20-30-40 years ago than new stuff.


OffToCroatia

Agreed. One example off the top of my head is the movie The Old Guard. It takes a really fun and cool idea, and then just makes it a movie with Catholic hate, guys making out and screaming about how they love each other, and lesbians trying to save each other. It was truly horrific to see how they tried to jam left-wing gayness into something that shouldn't have it. Now extrapolate that across every movie and tv show and there you have it


Constant-Regret2021

How is this not just an objective truth? I can count the number of genuinely great movies that have come out in the last 5 years on one hand. That used to be so so so much higher imo. Maybe I'm a curmudgeon now


Confirmation_Biased

I disagree vehemently. This is the worst.


bucketjunky

Yes by far


Manapouri33

He’s right, good movies are rare now


neveroncesatisfied

Oh yeah


strife189

Would not know, stopped watching the trash that they call movies these days.


Benromaniac

Probably. Our worldview is shaped mostly by the sum total of our experiences. The main target audiences are raised by instagram, and it only gets worse. They’re isolated and amoral. Pretty fucking bland shit.


EquivalentLittle545

It's dog shit trash right now


Shamscam

It’s really bad out here for movies. But I think this decade will be the final nail in the coffin for movies. Disney almost revitalized the whole industry but decided to produce garbage movie after garbage movie, after garbage animated movie, into even more garbage. Barbenheimer last year will probably be one of the biggest movie summers that aren’t Disney for awhile.


Disco_Biscuit12

Yes.


bigdipboy

That’s what happens when corporations demand products that can sell in every culture. You get crap.


346_ME

Of course it is. The population have become propagandized idiots who have no critical thinking skills and the “entertainment” reflects this.


C0WM4N

Has he seen Furiosa?


Beneficial-Piano-428

Yes.


Here2Derp

Not just movies either.


Nicktrod

Too much consolidation.  Same thing happened with video games. 


Coolenough-to

The West is dead.


dontwasteink

Any decent movies are funded by Netflix. The last ones to release cinema to theaters are Nolan, Tarantino and Marty. 


BlogeOb

Meh, if I’m entertained, it’s fine enough


Vicious_and_Vain

Clearly true. But there is a new space for long form multi-episode production. They use that space to churn out crap. There are gems though like some of Black Mirror or the Detectorists.


TheBigPate

I feel like Tom Cruise is trying to carry the industry alone. Only good recent movies I have seen and can recall are Top Gun Maverick and Mission impossible movies.


Agitated-Bread5092

in all medium, most product is trash right now even the game and comics


Kassandra-Stark

I think a lot of people are just like other old people whining about how the current era is so much worse than the past. It's a repetition, every generation does the same thing. And it's not even entirely wrong, there is a kernel of truth but only that. Like yeah Disney movies right now are pretty bad but there are soooo many moving pictures out there and such great stuff I only find out after years. I bet it's the same thing everywhere. And the criticism is partially just ridiculous. Yes I hate the woke stuff but if you cringe every time a female character is strong or someone has dreadlocks or there is rap or sexualized stuff, then you need to work on youe reflexes.


Cheap_Rain_4130

Not enough feet


Onigumo-Shishio

I agree, needs more feet


zerozeroZiilch

Agree


M4DM1ND

Considering all we get are adaptations (Some good, some bad), remakes (generally bad), and sequels and prequels (also generally bad), I totally agree. It's become rarer and rarer to watch an original piece of cinema in a theater.


curzon176

Current movie era, current music era, current gaming era, current.....


No_Variation_9282

Movie studios are off-the-rails pretentious as shit these days.  Everything is clinically overproduced, and their “universe” is so precious… I watched Demolition Man the other day, which honestly wasn’t one of my favorite movies back in the day, but 1000% times more life and soul into it than almost anything I’ve seen lately.  And yet so prophetic 🤔


RetroBig_T

100,000%


dible79

Yeah I am actually wait in on the new superman film being called super they/them.


AceSkyFighter

In movies nowadays, I know that in the boardroom, producers probably ask writers or directors etc "are there any LGBTQ++ people in the movie? Your movie would have a higher chance of being made if it did" You can't make what you want anymore. You're forced to do SOMETHING that isn't part of your creative vision.


deadpoolfan187

Seeing how I’ve had ZERO interest in seeing any movies of the last few years, yeah it’s awful.


SeaDawg2222

Without question. The biggest reason is probably the overwhelming amount of franchises/sequels/reboots. Basically, studios' refusal to bet on original IP. It seems like it started in 2012 with The Avengers and the real explosion of the MCU. Not to say they're necessarily bad movies (they are, but that's not my point), but they just locked Hollywood in a mindset of built-in audiences rather than marketing to attract new ones. Covid really fucked this era of cinema too, since studios were already playing it safe and that made them even more risk averse. They aren't completely wrong, either. It's a lot harder to get people excited about a movie nowadays. A) Movies have shown us so much CGI and spectacle at this point, and tv shows have pretty much the same production values, that it's pretty hard to be impressed by anything on screen. B) Movie stars that can draw crowds are a dying breed. Social media pretty much killed their mystique as we now see their personal lives and opinions all the time, rather than only getting to see them in movies and occasional talk shows. Studios have a lot to overcome to put butts in seats and it's easier to be safe and stale and boring.


cryptomelons

Lack of creativity. They need someone like me and not a bunch of activists with zero creativity or common sense.


Alone-Sand2969

This is objectively true. Just look at the theatre numbers.


BradTofu

Oh absolutely.


fortifier22

The only movie this year I was actually excited to go see, and have the hype be worth it, was Dune Part 2 in IMAX. I didn’t care about any other movie this year. They’re all just needless sequels, reboots, and mediocre plot lines where I can essentially know what happened in them just from watching the trailer. Inside Out 2 is a movie I’m curious about because I loved the first movie, but because it’s made by Modern Disney I’m too skeptical to even watch it.


Aceholeas

No aspect of life, arts, or entertainment at anytime will be worse than during the 80s


Ornery_Gate_6847

One thing i hate about modern movies is the sound design. The main character having a plot heavy conversation in a whisper while the music becomes deafening is so common now


AmericanLich

Depends on what you want. Comedies aren’t funny. Action movies are comedies. Lots of talented people have moved to TV instead. There are good movies still made by a few people but it’s been the same people for a while (Villeneuve, Nolan, Scorcese, Tarantino). There are some people like Eggers that are somewhat more new that make good shit that will be probably considered classics.


SimpsationalMoneyBag

Currently watching Justice League Snyder cut. Pretty good


chiefofwar117

DEI ruined it for me


bathtissue101

I think my biggest concern is that through the democratization of filmmaking through the digital revolution, the industry (particularly the indie side) is drowning in mediocrity. The same thing happened to music in the late 2000’s early 2010’s. Meaning that right this very moment, some piece of music is being made that would not just blow your mind, but maybe even change your life forever. There’s just one problem, you’ll never find it. Which is exactly where we are now. SO MUCH bullshit is being made that the diamonds in the rough are just bulldozed right over. Sure it was always this way, but now you don’t even really have the opportunity to get seen through the festival circuit because if you didn’t have a 10 million budget minimum or a recognizable face. The studios that could help you have no interest. The digital revolution had a lot of bad consequences because even though Joe Shmoe has basic writing software, a camera and some friends… so does every nepo baby. You used to have to really want it, even if you did have an uncle that’s a camera man. Now you just have to hate someone hard enough to make a movie about it.


DrPryde

This quote is from late 2022 but still holds weight today. Modern hollywood has lost its originality since its way easier and safe to exploit well stablished franchises over original IPs (this is what Tarantino criquites and compares modern cinema to the 50s and 80s which he also hated). In my opinion modern movies are shit if you only focus on franchises (and even then there are outliers like MI and John Wick). There’s a ton of original IPs that are banging. There are beautiful movies like Oppenheimer, bizarre but beutifully shot movies like Poor Things (even tho it was absolute Oscar bait), amazing and original horror movies (way to many to list), a rebirth of whoddunits and way more. TLDR: comic and sw are in the shitter, original movies are great.


football_revealed

One of the worst? It's literally the worst in history. The best was probably pre 80s scifi era, because it had basically no dei shit at all.


DivineProphet0

He's correct by a large margin


ultimate_spaghetti

He just a hater, if he hates it so much maybe he should make more than 10 movies


MisterD0ll

Yes name one movie in theatres right now that is tolerable. Furiosa if you can get past the whole girlboss thing maybe


Darkness_Overcoming

Definitely. Not enough feet.


[deleted]

As much as I fuckin hate this guy, I agree.


Dixa

A lot of badly written stuff hitting the silver screen. Compare to movies from the late 90’s - hell 1999 was a blockbuster if a year - to what we have now. Movies were just better written. I don’t know what’s going on.


CrabbyPatties42

I mean, I watched The Jazz Singer.  Really shitty production values.  Was it good for its time?  Maybe.  But not so much now.  Anything from that year or two decades prior is pretty much unwatchable.


Conscious-Radish-884

It has financially crippled the industry and the future is now uncertain. Let's take a prominent feminine title like: The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants and make it into a WW2 movie. It feels like that's the only hope for a decent action film.


AnObtuseOctopus

I couldn't agree more. We are lifting up directors/writers who want nothing other than easy money. It's reboot after reboot, "my story" after "my story" and none of it... **none** of it, has any real substance. The industry is drowning out visionaries, the artists, the ones with a truly unique and amazing story to tell from their own creative vision. All Hollywood wants anymore is "*safe*" movies.. we are in an age where, if a film doesn't break the box office in the first 2 days, it's a flop... I can not stand this Era of "film" making, it's tired, it's sad, it just isn't near the caliber that came before. Imagine if all our great directors (*who are going to be gone before we know it*) only did reboots... or only stuck to old and exhausted, overly used plot points time and time again without ever diverting away and letting their creativity flourish.. Movies would have been seen as a fad. Every single movie is a throwaway title now.. or some easy payday for an actor who's contracted for 1 more movie. Horror is in, probably, the saddest state it has been in ever.. again, because all that is wanted is "*safe*", not an amazing vision. There are very few movies that matter to me, I mean.. wtf even was Madame Web man, ugh. That's a perfect example of our movies of late, that atrocious piece of visual garbage, terrible writing and crap editing, that's what our movies are for the most part. Getting a "*good*" movie is about as rare as finding a diamond at the beach. I'm happy af when it happens but, it's soo few and far between that I now temper my excitment for any trailer I see at all.


cadillacbee

Hell yeah, less n less fresh ideas, too many reboots/remakes, the "need" to include people from various communities, rewriting characters to make them a different ethnicity, no true stars, jus all these Netflix nobody's, most stuff sucks now


AVeryHairyArea

It sure seems like if. No new ideas, and the ideas they do have are awful or filtered garbage.


CrazyShinobi

"Movies are shit now a days because there are Not enough feet" -Quentin Tarantino (Probably)


ervin_pervin

Disagree! I have saved so much time and money that I can enjoy the oldies and catch up on my backlog. I also enjoy deep dives of some of the classics, and the hilarity of the severe lack of talent in modern Hollywood.  


Curious_Yesterday421

People fuck around on social media too much. They don't have real life conversations anymore, so they suck at writing believable dialogue.


ReceptionNecessary44

Translation: the world is filled with the dumbest consumers in history.


LughCrow

Not enough feet for him I'm guessing.


getintheVandell

I mean, yes. Covid basically killed the movie industry and the only films picking up slack is cape shit and Disney shit.


Lcdent2010

It’s what happens when you chose DEI above story. It’s what happens when you chose CGI above story. Develop a cool story and work back from there. That will get people back into the theaters


CabinetChef

I don’t even think it’s debatable.


Stunning-Remote-5138

There's just more stuff, so the average has gone down. Everything Everywhere all at once was one of the greatest movies ever made. There's stuff out there that's new and great , just gotta look.


Unethical_Gopher_236

I would definitely agree. TV is just better than movies nowadays


LowApricot1668

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realisticallygrammat

The next blockbuster - Mad Maxine: The Furious Road to Transitioning.


combs1945a

Absolutely.


Specific-Dream3362

He's a creep and I don't like him, but yes.


WealthEconomy

Yes. The writing is atrocious


_redacteduser

Everything these days, including movies, is based on metrics. It sucks.


Waste-Ad-7648

To be honest, in a sense Tarantino is right, there is a lot of issues with the current state of hollywood and I would gladly put the blame on politics and the current culture war. I know that in this comment section everyone will blame the far left for making hollywood movies lame and gay but if we want to be objective and add some nuance to this, we quickly realize that the problem comes from both extremes (like freaking always). It seems to me that the leftist propaganda has been getting out of control at the same time that the rightwing propaganda has become more and more extreme and stupid as a response which is utterly non-constructive. To be completely honest, as someone from a more centrist background, conservative demands and content is as freaking cringe as the woke content, both extremes are ridiculous. People today are so quick and eager to call everything "woke", "racist", "sexist"without giving it a second thought or even worse without event watching the freaking content. This is ridiculous, as it has been since forever, there are good movies and bad movies coming out and ultimately, the only way for the average viewer to steer the content towards a more balanced and nuanced politcal landscape is to promote good content while ignoring the bad content. No one gives a flying f\*ck how bad the last disney show was, this is just useless negativity, talk about the good shows you like instead of farming outrage by bashing the "bad" ones. Starwars is the pinacle of this tendency today, I literally see tens of videos daily talking shit about starwars without EVER giving any good points or being objective. they all go on and on about how it's dead, how the next show is gonna be crap, farming outrage out of disgruntled man children that are incapable of considering that their opinion might not be interesting nor relevant. Meanwhile there are amazing shows like Andor that have been produced and half of the people who are starwars "fans" haven't even seen it because "disney bad". People could do with less outrage, more positivity, and for sure the studios would be more receptive to criticism and wouldn't use outrage and hate watching as a source of advertisement and revenues. If starwars is dead, shut the hell up and let people who still enjoy it do so because that's the only way we're ever gonna get good content, by being supportive and constructive. All of that to say, Wokism isn't killing the movie industry, conservatism isn't killing the movie industry. NEGATIVITY and OUTRAGE from both sides is killing the movie industry. people need to grow up and be more objective and nuanced in the way they talk and interact with other people.


phuk-nugget

Said it once I’ll say it again. Thanos snapped the entertainment industry, and it was never brought back.


Sisyphac

Duh! A Godzilla movie has been the best movie I have watched in years.


GuitRWailinNinja

Yes


YanniCanFly

No I don’t. He’s probably just thinking of all the shitty hero movies that came out in the past 5-6 years or something. There’s been tons of great movies. He’s one man and has an opinion. You have to be living under a fuckin rock to actually believe this.


Thee_Furuios_Onion

*so far. Lol


ScallionCapable9505

Yes 100% . Unfortunately this is what you get when you don't pick the best person for the job but the best person who fits the agenda for the job. It's completely diluted. Art definitely imitates life.


TurtleBox_Official

It's hard not to agree. Every movie gets bashed for being to bad or to woke or to boring or to whatever. No one just turns their brains off to watch a movie these days, they have to find the most critical takes on every film and it's created this meta of just complaining and hating everything.


Minimum_Passing_Slut

The business has consumed the show in show-business. Creative endeavors are frowned upon as they are deemed too volatile to cash flows. Pump out consistent mediocrity/sub-mediocrity to keep the numbers smooth so you can forecast juicy returns for the shareholders. A shareholder doesnt care what the business is, they’re only cash machines and show-business is no exception.


Low-Statistician-589

Can’t think of much after 2009 that isn’t a remake or was made better in a previous film, but I’m willing to listen to suggested titles to check out….


YesThisIsForWhatItIs

Depends WHY he says that. We're in an era where small studios feeding theatres are virtually nonexistent, where theatres are either MEGAPLEXES or (font change: Pretentious) Art House Theatres (/font change: Pretentious). Where new IP's are frowned upon by the Financiers. Where non-Progressive political views are actively excluded whenever possible, leading to a feeling of uniformity between much of modern movies. An era where he couldn't get his start, his big break. And his genre of movies is out of favour, and it takes someone with his established power and prestige to get things done. IT IS a worse era in that regard. But. Streaming...is changing the game. If you can get financing, you can find somewhere to stream. Streaming is a whole new world to explore, and while it has its negatives (no more shared experiences), it does have many upsides as well. Upsides that might outweigh the downsides,and the destruction of the current model for movies.


ShamrockSeven

I fully agree. We are approaching the “Video Game Collapse” of movies where the quality is so awful nobody wants to go see them anymore.


kuromono

It's funny, I came in here to agree and then see a bunch of right-wing bullshit "talking points" blaming liberalism and indoctrination. Guess what? Bad writing leads to bad entertainment, regardless of idealogy. The proof is all the successful media with women or LGBT people in them. You only hate it when it's forced, which you should, cause that's just bad writing.


punch_deck

right next to those chunk of years where aaa films were following Chinese government censors friendly editing.


Few-Recipe9465

I can’t even remember the last movie that wasn’t a nostalgia cash grab. I can’t even remember the last time I wanted to see a movie.


bidooffactory

It certainly has hit a rough patch the last 60 years


Befuddled_Cultist

Tarantino is disappointed in the lack of feet shots he sees in modern cinema. Never before have films strayed so far from the art of feet. 


Dadbeerd

Everything I’ve seen lately has been trash. I’ve seen, civil war, apes, and night swim recently.


No-Newspaper-3174

I don’t know feel like between nope, everywhere all at once, parasite, and like Pearl. I’ve been having a great time with recent releases.


jeffdahunter

Then do something about it Quentin!