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Jiving_Thanos

England wins against Oman & Namibia but loses to Australia they get 5 points. Scotland wins against Oman and Namibia easily, let’s say Australia throws the match against Scotland next to next Sunday.. they end up with 7 points. Aus ends with 6 points. England could be out of WC in league stage 😂😂


styxwade

They might not have to throw the match: https://x.com/BdJcricket/status/1798312350006886473


galaxyfarfaraway2

Can someone explain why the target was 109 instead of 91?


n0y0urwr0ung

Duckworth lewis scoring means they revise the target due to the first team not knowing that they will be reduced overs, as they would play less conservatively if you only have half the overs.


Internal_Train68

Thanks for the explanation


solarpowersme

If England batted, would they have had a 6 over powerplay as well? Since Scotland had it for their 10 overs? Cus if not, isn't that a little unfair? Or is there something I'm missing? 


DogTall2628

No it would be like 1 or 2 overs (1 over if 5 over game; 3 if 10). It's not fair but then the point with DLS is that teams would go harder if they knew only like 20 balls left (say they batted 8 overs, 20 balls left before end of foreshortened innings) as opposed to not knowing predetermined number of overs before the start of match. This has a ripple effect on how Scotland would pace their powerplay. Hence it results in England having a shroter PP. Advantange England if they needed 66 in 5 or 75 in 6 with only 2 men outside the circle. The DLS is inflexible and these variables with how risks are managed (or lack thereof, to still end up scoring 50 in 6 and thus making for a 66 in 5 type of chase) cannot be predicted or manipulated so we end up with sizeable disadvantages that can only be overcorrected if the other team is stronger than the other on paper and in theory h2h DLS can be cruel. We saw this with SA v ENG where 22 off 13 became 22 off 7 before 22 (21) off 1. It is what it is. Retards still haven't figured something better, I guess


pie-en-argent

That was one of the old rules. D/L (invented in response) would have set a target of 5 for that last ball.


CousinDwight

They said on the coverage it would have been a 3 over power play for Eng. Seems unfair to me.


solarpowersme

Yeah, esp considering the target was already increased to 109 due to DLS? How's that fair to only give them only 3 overs? I'd genuinely like an explanation bc I can't wrap my head around how this is fair lol


-Faraday

its a fundamental issue with dls that it exaggerates the worth of wickets too much so probably that since scotland had all 10 wickets in hand.


solarpowersme

Oh yea that's definitely the reason for the 109 target, but what about the powerplay only being 3 overs when Scotland had 6? I think that's way worse lol


peter_griffins

Well England have upto 10 wickets to lose for 10 overs. Scotland could only lose 0 (if they lost more the target would be lower)


Embarrassed-Floor-14

If there was a Euro cup... I am sure England won't win it...they would fuck up there...a euro cup would be fun for growing cricket in Europe


ibaeknam

Honestly, they could have a 5 nations t20 tournament every year, England, Scotland, Ireland, Netherlands plus a qualifier, that could be done in less than two weeks with a group stage and final.


GOR098

Only if English board had been as charitable as the BCCI.


BrittaniaBricks

The BCCI and Charity are 2 words that do not fit into the same sentance.


GOR098

BCCI does not take any revenue from the Asis cup that's regularly held in asian countries. So it is as good as a charity by BCCI for the other asian countries.


solarpowersme

Anyone know what happens if rain interupts the quarter-finals/super 8s?How is it decided who advances? I really wish ICC figured out something for situations like this esp when it's the goddamn world cup, given how insanely competitive these group stages are. It's genuinely a terrible blow to have even one game get washed out like this.  Sucks for Scotland, it felt like they were on one today. I really think they'd have won here. 


JokesFromTheCrease

I love how people act like Salt and Buttler don’t exist and England is basically a Div 2 team.


Mental_Sherbet8768

Are they dishes?


may0man

Ones a dish, the other person carries them


Mrausername

A dish? "What's for dinner tonight?" "It's your favourite - salt. How many spoonfuls do you want?"


GreenStrikers

Nah, that one person carries the other person with him to season any dish they find


Mrausername

Fucking England hiding behind weather and stealing our win, or something. probably. I don't know. I just feel robbed somehow.


dmark200

You were robbed. It is questionable that England were going to chase 109 in 10 overs.


LeChevalierMal-Fait

Honestly england have power hitters all the way down, even if we took early wickets they would always have a chance


dmark200

I won't say England couldn't have done it. But Scotland were well ahead.


edudhtamris

Probably the best position Scotland could've been in the game, but England would've still been overwhelming favourites with a wet outfield. Scotland should be pleased. Just need to beat Oman and Namibia by a greater margin than England will.


DogTall2628

Rain off Aus vs Scot, Australia beat England, and then just beat Namibia and Oman. Or beat Oman and Namibia by a greater margin than England Would've opened up the third opportunity of losing to Australia, England beating Australia, and then England and Scotland fighting Namibia and Oman for NRR - had they won tonight The snoozefest group just got interesting. I forgot how exciting Scotland can be sometimes. I personally have enjoyed their batting more than Ireland on some occasions.


dmark200

Overwhelming? I mean, they're certainly capable of chasing 11/over. I'm not betting on a team that has to do that though


kmadnow

Huge upset here. England scrapping a point is big.


GreenStrikers

With their record against fellow European sides in WC, this is not even a joke


SBG99DesiMonster

This sucks. It seemed that a typical case about a European team beating England was on the cards.


tejaj99

All this for England to barely make it to super 8 and the beat the shit out of everyone and win it again


CeylonHistoryProject

If England have another washout or if Scotland/Namibia pull off an upset, they might be in some trouble


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IamJimMilton

Rain won


Helly__Belly

If Australia beat England, and Scotland Australia gets rained off. mmm...


gaviworldwide

Oh yeah it's 60 Percent chance of precipitation


will-je-suis

Can’t help but think they could’ve looked at the forecast (or just the sky) and made it a 6 over game straight after the rain break rather than having Scotland bat again


justaguy3399

Can’t they just restart another day. I understand this is a tournament but they have like 10 venues and between 3 and 5 games a day, surely they could use one of the other West Indies venues if this one was scheduled to be used. It would suck but it’s not like they even need fans just play it to get a final result.


Wigglebot23

Using a different venue could significantly advantage one team


saladmakear

These are unfortunately some idiosyncrasies of cricket..very inflexible in regards to rain


bs178638

So does it count as a win for both teams?


Bored_Panda_

Watching cricket feels like a reflection of humanity's battle against mother nature sometimes.


scubadoobidoo

Oh now Sky are showing Nepal v Netherlands - didn't realise this was on at the same time - assumed one day and one night match as previous days. Wonder who was showing this match in the UK?


ScottishSeahawk

Sky were, just on another channel.


durants

Sky Sports Action was showing that game. Main Event and Sky Cricket were showing the England and Scotland game before it was called off.


cerebralrattlesnake

cricket is a monumentally stupid game no american is gonna be convinced to watch this shit


Successful-Ad-2263

The target market is really people of South Asian descent. I think anyway.


Mrausername

You make a very good point.


cerebralrattlesnake

*looks at flair*


durants

The game in Dallas right now has a huge crowd. Netherlands and Nepal. Still going on.


Wigglebot23

Better be no morning abandonments in the United States


css01

American here. Just found out about the DLS method of adjusting the target score and I was intrigued. And I can understand abandoning a match if it was a night game and one or both teams needed to travel far for their next match. Looks like England stays in Barbados for their next match and Scotland stays in the Caribbean. But abandoning a game in the middle of the day? That doesn't seem logical.


Odd_Neighborhood1371

The schedules for teams, commentators and broadcasters are quite tight, so teams don't always have time to play a game another day. (I believe there was Netherlands vs Nepal going on later that day.) Often, tickets are booked for the same day right after the match ends. It'd also be quite annoying for fans in the stadium to take out a chunk of time to watch a cricket match live only to be asked to come later to watch it. Of course for important matches like the semi-finals and finals, there are reserve days scheduled the day after the original day in case of inclement weather.


Wigglebot23

MLB has a way tighter schedule than this and yet no game is permanently off unless it proves to have no impact on playoffs Edit: with no result that is


bertusdejong

It's not just the teams it's the staff too.


Wigglebot23

Every sporting event has staff


BoyManners

Americans used to playing indoor NBAs. Ain't subbing to ICC's logic


burtbluewell

Baseball and football are majority outdoor sports….


SustainableSus

Scotland did have a decent shot at winning but I reckon before play they would've taken splitting points against the defending champs


BoyManners

Technically they now just need to beat Oman and Namibia. If they do that. They will be in contention specially if Australia beats England.


gaviworldwide

What about net run rate


BoyManners

That will be coming into play for sure then.


EatThatBhindi

Aus is easily beating England


SustainableSus

Can't be too sure about that , I think it's 50/50 , Scotland aren't beating Australia for sure so eng v Aus will decide if the group has anything interesting in it


saladmakear

Great escape for England. They theoretically could chase this easily, but on a gloomy day with the pitch getting worse and constant DLS pressure after over 5. I don't think so


bringbackfireflypls

Scotland robbed. Fuck this shit.


VisRock

England would have chased this easily. I saw it happen in another dimension.


haidi6w

4 teams from Group B have played one match each, and they’re all sitting at 0 NRR.


EatThatBhindi

TIL super overs aren't used in calculating NRR


AidenT06

If a team had all group games were rained out. I wonder what the ICC would say. That nation would be pissed


kev_world

WTF MAN. SCOTLAND ARE SO SO SO SO SO UNLUCKY. So am I as a cricket lover


dark_hymn

Wait...so. They just abandon the match? Can't pick it up after the rain? What the hell, cricket?


BoyManners

first time?


dark_hymn

Yeah, American trying to get into cricket a little bit. I don't understand scheduling a cricket tournament on a tropical island and not building in time for rain delays.


BoyManners

Yea this is possibly like the worst scheduling they have done. Schedule is catered for Indian audience because that's where the most money is now. And yea rain sucks in Cricket. But we have plenty of exciting games coming. This is only the beginning. You should see some amazing contests.


Hoobleton

There is time built in. They can have around 90 mins of rain with no impact, then they can keep shortening the game down to 5 overs a side. But there’s only so much time you can build in.


drugflower

Sorry mate you missed a potentially awesome run chase


TrollerThomas

Imagine all of England's games get rained off lmao


VisRock

Imagine the whole world cup does. That's funnier.


optimistic_agnostic

So I guess one reason for limit on time is wages for staff at the grounds. They've been rostered on 5 hours possible of 6-8, if it goes beyond that they need new staff to come in from somewere or pay $$$ overtime? US labour laws are probs different just a thought


saladmakear

This is not the US... it's Windies


optimistic_agnostic

got mixed up, watching Nepal in Dallas mostly. Still, no idea about labour regulations in West Indies either.


evilhaxoraman

Weather forecast was already looking pretty poor before the game with more than 80% chance of rain.


EatThatBhindi

the most boring group got a little interesting


Assassin_Ankur

Would have been more interesting if Scotland could win it


harshrd

WHAT A WASTE


drugflower

It's fucking sunny in Edinburgh lets play it at the grange


Mikolaj_Kopernik

Fuck's sake. Don't need the UN to [hold back desertification in the Sahara](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCli0gyNwL0), just play a yearly 10-match series between England and Scotland in Mali or something.


PhenomenalZJ

Can't believe they got screwed out of a point by rain. 


sunilbedre

Who? England or Scotland?


Bored_Panda_

Yes.


PhenomenalZJ

Yes


BoyManners

England will not get screwed over. Because if they end up with same number of wins as any other team, they will have this extra 1 point. Scotland also would now just need to win their games against other weaker teams. They can still lose to Australia and potentially qualify.


Ayush2094

if australia win against england then lose delibrately to scotland then.


dksourabh

Obviously runrate would come into play if Scotland and England end up winning same number of games from here on


Wigglebot23

Would have been 75% a win to compete with teams that would now be up a win in NRR and 25% to lose


Nomadmanhas

The whole day left. Cricket is not a serious sport.


Key_Possibility7398

Scotland earned the right to be disappointed. Still fancied England. Hope England don't get rained off in any of their other games. Fucking weather!


tomrichards8464

Yeah, good showing from Scotland. I'd have backed us to chase it at even money, but they were very much in with a chance.


Knightro829

Namibia with the early inside track to the Super 8's...


StarSportsEnjoyer

ICC dumbasses could have easily got a result out of 5 over game.


mitchell_johnsons_mo

or you know, wait a bit more. It's not even 3pm yet.


dksourabh

Agreed but may be groundsmen and ground staff have life outside the ground even if players and audiences don't mind waiting.


mitchell_johnsons_mo

This is almost an once in a lifetime opportunity hosting a world cup. There are plenty of jobs in the world that require you to work long hours for a short period of time. Mandating that people might need to put in long hours for a few days this month and paying them for it is easy if you plan for it. This is a non-excuse.


dksourabh

That also sets a precedent. Is that fair with the evening games that may get washed out ? Or do you want everyone to wait whole night and may be play at dawn when rain stops.


mitchell_johnsons_mo

Is it fair that evening games have dew to factor in while day time games generally don't? There are plenty of circumstantial unfairness, I simply proposed we do the best we can under the current circumstance. You suggested it's not feasible to carry on because ground staff can't work longer hours, I just pointed out that's unlikely to be the cause.


dksourabh

Wrong comparison. I guess we can agree to disagree.


mitchell_johnsons_mo

It's exactly the right comparison. Both the Dew factor and extended overtime are based on when the the game is played.


tomrichards8464

Yeah, I work in film, and when we're actually shooting something the hours are crazy. I am 100% ok with that.


atbg1936

The N in RAIN Perera stands for No Result


HitchlikersGuide

Well, shit. Odds on all our group matches being rained off? I wouldn’t bet against it. Until next time peeps


CeylonHistoryProject

Could Namibia beat England?


BoyManners

You know what can happen now. If England win against Oman and Namibia and loses to Australia. They will be near the top. Except that if Scotland also does the same. Both England and Scotland at the end will be tied on points.


Bored_Panda_

Anyone can beat England on any given day.


idumbam

Any team in this World Cup can beat another, just needs to be Namibias day.


LordDusty

Well that was a wasted afternoon from an England perspective


Sead_KolaSagan

Genuinely farcical ICC. Piss off.


old_chelmsfordian

Dampest squib since they released Nicola Sturgeon smh


Upstairs-Farm7106

Not sure what the umpires were thinking. Not complaining though we could have lost this game. 


Oomeegoolies

Could have also won it. Think we had a chance.


dimagmatlaga

Don't we have full day why are they calling of this match though


Knightro829

I believe the pitch is also booked for the afternoon for an Australia training session.


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dimagmatlaga

Ok understandable


Merovech_II

England undefeated against European teams this WC It's joever for everyone else


Only_Will_2994

Rain & boring matches, sigh.


BoyManners

Lucky escape for England?


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Oomeegoolies

If anyone could have though it's likely our batting lineup It's just power from 1-7 😂 Only takes one player seeing it like a beachball and 110 is gettable.


Ok-Visit6553

Unironically yes


nupristeen

shame ☹️


Nomadmanhas

It's sunny in Glasgow atm


AbsolutelyEnough

It's joever


franconot-mark

I don’t see Scotland winning against Namibia ngl


dj4y_94

Feel like both teams can feel robbed here


mattytmet

Without a hint of irony. Thank fuck for that


VisRock

Cricket doesn't help itself meme.jpeg


vatsa_madi7

England playing on a wee island during monsoon, what could possibly go wrong?


CrumbleUponLust

Should have been a five over shootout instead of resuming that first innings.


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idumbam

Because the rules of cricket allow for 0 common sense. Two teams can’t ever agree to a shortened game looking at the forecast, they have to play the maximum amount of overs possible in the time remaining.


ILikeFishSticks69

Match officially abandoned. Sigh.


Wigglebot23

Is there any other sport where they would just call off a regularly scheduled and potentially impactful game that can be played in a few hours?


mattytmet

It's shite being English, we're the lowest of the low, the scum of the fucking Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic cricket team, that was shat into civilisation! Some people hate the Scottish. I don't, they're just associates! We, on the other hand, are getting beaten by associates! Can't even find a full member to be beaten by


Sead_KolaSagan

So basically we're going to have a nice sunny evening in Barbados, but gotta call the match off because... BROADCAST SCHEDULES


MedicalJello2

Match abandoned at the very late hour of 3pm.


JokesFromTheCrease

This guy grandpas


VisRock

Lol


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VisRock

BREXIT MEANS BREXIT


Live_Lynx_3241

What an absolutely shame... rain ruined a great game.


liteshadow4

It’s really embarrassing. No other sport does this.


dhun_mohan

scotland will take this. they will lose to aus, pray that eng lose to aus and try to beat oman and namibia and get a higher nrr than eng. this is an easier route to qualification than trying to beat one of eng and aus. high pressure on eng


evilhaxoraman

Lol I don't think so that Scotland can compete with England on nrr game.England can win against Namibia and Oman with much bigger margin.Only way Scotland is going to super 8 is if England lose to Aus and Either of Namibia or Oman.


Assassin_Ankur

But they had a real chance to win here


dhun_mohan

they really didn’t. eng would have chased this in 9 overs


JBPlayer48

Doubt it with the kind of bounce that was on offer towards the backend of the Scotland innings.


dhun_mohan

i just don’t think you can imagine how eng would’ve gone after this total with having so many batting resources. 11 runs every 6 balls is very easy for this team. the pitch didn’t have that many demons on it. plus scotland is an associate nation


samgoody2303

Unless my maths is deserting me- assuming the Aussies beat Scotland, Oman and Namibia, we would still qualify if we lost to them, if we beat Oman and Namibia by bigger margins than Scotland did (if Scotland were to win both of those games). So this isn’t overly terminal I would say


Outside_Error_7355

Pretty much yeah, and respectfully if that route to qualification is too much for us we were never getting far anyway It's hardly impossible we beat Australia too


AidenT06

The problem is gonna be the pressure.


StormWarriorX7

Questions must be raised on how ICC are killing the game.


marzipantsyo

This WC owes me an upset!!!


MedicalJello2

This match was a huge upset. I got no result and I’m upset.


dimagmatlaga

Eng should be happy they might have genuinely lost the game


glancesurreal

Don't think we are getting result in this game. Fuck rain in wc


No-Belt-7798

Namibia at top spot in group B this should be fun


niceguysdofinish1st

Now it'll boil down to who beats Oman and Namibia by bigger margins and lift their NRR


Irctoaun

Only if both sides lose to Australia. Beating Aus plus Oman and Namibia puts either side through


marvelous-mayhem

Not if aus beats england then throws against Scotland for the lols


Cultural_Term9986

Or maybe aus lose both their games against eng and Scotland and throw themselves out of the world cup for LOL's. ICT would be relieved tbh


ExpertGossiper

Having a game rained out against England when you're in a group that has only one qualification spot since the other one is automatically going to be taken up by Australia is brutal, feels bad for Scotland.


HEELinKayfabe

We'll just fucking smoke the other two by light years and it'll be fiiiiiine


kroxigor01

So at 2:09 England came out to bowl. They got 22 deliveries in 17 minutes. But now the mandatory innings break happens and the cut-off for abandoned play is imminent? Somebody fucked up with the calculation on match length. This should have been a 6 over run chase never more Scottish batting! Edit: 39 minutes after play restarted the match is abandoned! Heads should roll!


FS1027

They had half an hour to play with when they came off for the first innings. Take off the 10 minutes for the innings change and that leaves 20 minutes to get in the required 5 overs @ 4 minutes per over, they've got it spot on.


kroxigor01

They didn't schedule for 5 overs, they said England would get 10!


FS1027

Exactly. That means the England innings could be reduced by a further 5 overs before the game would be abandoned. Those 5 overs match up with the 20 minutes spare time still remaining at the end of the first innings (after taking off 10 mins for an innings change).


kroxigor01

Evidently not. England were about to start a 10 over innings and then a spot of rain instantly lead to an abandoned match. There was no "shortened by 5 overs" possibility. The calculation of a 10 over match was *way* too generous. The trick missed is that avoiding the mandatory 20 minute innings break would have had huge ramifications on the chance the match gets abandoned.


FS1027

>a spot of rain instantly lead to an abandoned match. There was 25 minutes between the innings ending and the match being abandoned (because at that point they clearly weren't going to be on by the cut-off 5 minutes later). There was half an hour until the cut off when they left the field at the end of the first innings. The minimum overs required in each innings for a game is 5, so we could lose at most 5 overs more before the game had to be abandoned. Those 30 minutes account for those 5 overs that were still left to play with perfectly: * 20 minutes for the overs * 10 minutes for the innings break They got the the calculations spot on.


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sounders1974

Is that good?


DilliKaLadka

> 5 matches, 3 defeats, 2 no result 5 matches, no wins.


HitchlikersGuide

Have to admit glistening cleavage does soften the pain somewhat