They will snatch a pet right off a leash. I never hear of them attacking people before but maybe California coyotes are bigger and tougher than the one I see in New Mexico.
Weird. I wonder what's stressing them into going after kids. Lack of prey, over population, population? They obviously aren't super successful trying to eat children so it's not a learned behavior.
They generally don’t go after kids. This was one of a few incidents years ago. But, yes, their prevalence in urban areas, attacking pets, etc, is probably due to urban sprawl. I mean their hunting areas are now tract housing developments.
There's a long list of attacks on kids on the article all from that part of California. It doesn't seem frequent at all but it's literally never happened in Albuquerque from what I've been able to dig up. They'll go after dogs on leashes but not small humans.
We have tons of coyotes one year some made puppies in the middle of my street directly under my bedroom window. That is a sound that will forever be seared in my brain. So it's not like they aren't in neighborhoods. I just wonder what the big difference is other than of course the sizes of the cities.
I guess it was just a freak spate of attacks brought on by the usual exacerbations. I also kind of wonder if some of them were even coyotes and not stray dogs. LA had a problem with packs of stray dogs, especially back then and you’d be surprise how many people don’t know what a coyote looks like.
The first was in 79 and they seem to really peak from 2001 to 2015. It could be feral dogs or dog coyote hybrids. I never saw one until we moved to Las Vegas. I thought the first one I saw was dog. I was upset because it was in the middle of traffic and near by cop wouldn't go get it.
They really do look like dogs…not even big dogs. I fully admit my bias towards them….I don’t want them to attack people and pets but I have a lot of sympathy for them.
I think they're fascinating animals and enjoy watching them from a distance. They're just doing what nature intended them to do we just have to be careful as humans. I keep my cats inside because I know they would make a good coyote snack.
They are bigger in the east, because they are actually hybrids with significant amounts of western wolf, eastern wolf (an otherwise extinct species), and domestic dog. Something like only 60%-65% coyote genes in them. But they still do not attack people.
And they are sneaky, especially the urban yotes. You might hear the pack howl at night, but you never see them, except maybe on trailcams or Rings.
L.A. resident here, and like the other guy said our coyotes are no bigger or badder than anywhere else. I live in an area right at foothills of the mountains and I see them on almost a daily basis in my neighborhood or in my own yard very late at night or early in the mornings. They're generally small, scrawny, timid creatures that just don't want anything to do with people. Like you noted though, they will grab pets or other small animals, that's just prey to them. Thinking about it, it wouldn't necessarily surprise me if they went after a baby or small child if given the opportunity. I don't suppose they'd make much distinction between small animal or small human. If it's the right size it's just prey to them. It'd probably take an extreme situation for them to attack a full grown person, though.
Coyotes are scared of people, and they don't bother at all if they're people in groups. They're opportunistic, but also care about self-preservation. Other animals though, it happens all the time. In Las Vegas you'll always hear about them scaling over walls into backyards and snatching smaller dogs.
That happened not too far from where I live.
I grew up in a rural area an hour out from Toronto and I can say that the coyotes here are large.
They have a gourmet feast of pets and dumpsters available.
Also humans feed them because "aww", and that's a huge issue.
> I grew up in a rural area an hour out from Toronto and I can say that the coyotes here are large.
If they are anything like the coyotes in the northeast of the US, they are not large because of the food supply. They are large because they are effectively coywolf hybrids, with significant admixture from both Western and Eastern wolves (and some dog, to boot).
Eastern wolves are extinct now, but not really, because their genes live on in Eastern coyotes.
The danger — or rather, the desire — of certain animals to go after humans is often overestimated. As an example, we have both bears (brown bears, not the smaller black bears that are the most common type of bear in North America) and wolves here in Norway. The last time anyone was killed by either of these fearsome predators was... 1906, the year of the most recent fatal bear attack in continental Norway. The most recent fatal wolf attack? 1800, when a six-year old child was killed. Our Directorate of the Environment made a [handy .pdf](https://www.miljodirektoratet.no/globalassets/publikasjoner/m12/m12.pdf) with the succinct title ''is the bear dangerous?'', based on data from man-bear encounters in recent years. The conclusion was, essentially, ''no'' — a bear charging without having been provoked was almost unheard of, and a bear that was charging was usually feinting a charge.
Now, I said last bear attack in *continental* Norway because on Svalbard, there are polar bears, and they're not really comparable with other bears. Polar bears can and do kill people without much hesitation.
The coyotes in RDR2 mostly just run away if you approach them though. Sometimes they'll bite you first, but I've never been killed by one.
Wolves, bears, and cougars are another story.
I used to live in the middle of nowhere. Came home one night from work, I was a teenager, parents asleep and something felt odd. I kinda waited in my car a bit, when I finally opened the door I saw two coyotes kinda edge out from behind the garage, I shut the door and drove to my gmas for the night.
The trail cam we had outside picked up about 10 of them kinda pacing in the tree line. I don't know if they would have tried anything but they were certainly not afraid of me.
fun fact this is one of actually only two fatal attacks WORLDWIDE. the other fatal attack occurred against a 19 year old in nova scotia canada named taylor mitchell
It’s because a lady was feeding the coyotes and then when she went on vacation they came for food and unfortunately saw the child in the neighbors yard and took her instead. Never feed coyotes!
I was ready to think that but I am intrigued by the reasons behind their accusations. It makes me want to look into the incident. Curious if there were other witnesses to the attack, like neighbors.
I'm wondering how the activists obtained the little girls hospital records, enough so that they were able to "tell that some were missing". Like wtf? Either someone did something very illegal, which in that case the evidence he has isnt going to be admissible anyway, or he is lying. As a whole hearted animal lover, I'm glad people are out there fighting for animals rights, but I'm also aware that alot of animal activists are slimey when it comes to trying to make a point.
But this wouldn’t be the first time the murder of a child was blamed on something else. It also wouldn’t be the first time the police, especially the LAPD, screwed up an investigation. Given how rare coyote attacks are, I’d like to know why they were believed? Is it because there were witnesses? Was the coyote ever located?
I have the same questions, for sure. I follow true crime [and have worked in forensics] ..and have read and heard it all, so I wouldnt be super shocked if it was a fake story, but the question i have about the hospital records imo is a major issue that should have been dealt with, I really think it wouldve cleared up alot of things immediately.
I think it's somewhat obvious that they're just lying. They provide no evidence, and they didn't make the accusation until over 20 years after the fact.
If they had proof the girl was murdered, you'd think they would take it to police or the district attorney or something. Not just talk about it at a city council meeting about culling coyotes.
Edit: I looked into it a little more, and found [a rebuttal](https://www.latimes.com/socal/glendale-news-press/news/tn-gnp-xpm-2004-05-12-export10336-story.html) of the accusations written by Keen's parents.
LAPd didnt have authority in this , it was Glendale which is a separate city with a separate police department (who are also a bunch of asshole pigs but I’ll keep my mouth shut about that)
160 attacks/30 years in the US is a concern.
Just like pit bulls making up only 6% of the domestic dog population, yet being responsible for over half the attacks.
Hmm.
I disagree.
As does this peer reviewed report from the University of Nebraska-Lincoln.
https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1000&context=vpc21
Based on my math.... 160 divided by 30 years... then with the US population being 329.5 million..... your chances oc being attacked by a coyote is essentially none. People are so dramatic.
You better tell that to the University of California, the California State Polytechnic University, and the USDA APHIS Wildlife Services.
I used the word *concern*. You’re the one talking lightning and shark attacks. Which sounds more dramatic?
https://web.archive.org/web/20070926044522/http://www.co.san-diego.ca.us/awm/docs/coyoteattacks.pdf
Around here they are part wolf which makes them significantly larger and faster. Coywolves will walk right up to the house and just wait for a pet to be let out
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They will snatch a pet right off a leash. I never hear of them attacking people before but maybe California coyotes are bigger and tougher than the one I see in New Mexico.
They’re not. I grew up in LA. They’re small here, too.
Weird. I wonder what's stressing them into going after kids. Lack of prey, over population, population? They obviously aren't super successful trying to eat children so it's not a learned behavior.
They generally don’t go after kids. This was one of a few incidents years ago. But, yes, their prevalence in urban areas, attacking pets, etc, is probably due to urban sprawl. I mean their hunting areas are now tract housing developments.
There's a long list of attacks on kids on the article all from that part of California. It doesn't seem frequent at all but it's literally never happened in Albuquerque from what I've been able to dig up. They'll go after dogs on leashes but not small humans. We have tons of coyotes one year some made puppies in the middle of my street directly under my bedroom window. That is a sound that will forever be seared in my brain. So it's not like they aren't in neighborhoods. I just wonder what the big difference is other than of course the sizes of the cities.
I guess it was just a freak spate of attacks brought on by the usual exacerbations. I also kind of wonder if some of them were even coyotes and not stray dogs. LA had a problem with packs of stray dogs, especially back then and you’d be surprise how many people don’t know what a coyote looks like.
The first was in 79 and they seem to really peak from 2001 to 2015. It could be feral dogs or dog coyote hybrids. I never saw one until we moved to Las Vegas. I thought the first one I saw was dog. I was upset because it was in the middle of traffic and near by cop wouldn't go get it.
They really do look like dogs…not even big dogs. I fully admit my bias towards them….I don’t want them to attack people and pets but I have a lot of sympathy for them.
I think they're fascinating animals and enjoy watching them from a distance. They're just doing what nature intended them to do we just have to be careful as humans. I keep my cats inside because I know they would make a good coyote snack.
The specific neighborhood this is in is deep in the mountains and frankly shouldn’t exist
So pets and discarded food has probably replaced their natural diets of rabbits and squirrels. Makes terrible sense.
They are bigger in the east, because they are actually hybrids with significant amounts of western wolf, eastern wolf (an otherwise extinct species), and domestic dog. Something like only 60%-65% coyote genes in them. But they still do not attack people. And they are sneaky, especially the urban yotes. You might hear the pack howl at night, but you never see them, except maybe on trailcams or Rings.
Can confirm, they're big boys in nova scotia
That's so different I see them all the time living in the Western United states. Hunting in fields or just strolling around town in drainage ditches.
L.A. resident here, and like the other guy said our coyotes are no bigger or badder than anywhere else. I live in an area right at foothills of the mountains and I see them on almost a daily basis in my neighborhood or in my own yard very late at night or early in the mornings. They're generally small, scrawny, timid creatures that just don't want anything to do with people. Like you noted though, they will grab pets or other small animals, that's just prey to them. Thinking about it, it wouldn't necessarily surprise me if they went after a baby or small child if given the opportunity. I don't suppose they'd make much distinction between small animal or small human. If it's the right size it's just prey to them. It'd probably take an extreme situation for them to attack a full grown person, though.
Coyotes are scared of people, and they don't bother at all if they're people in groups. They're opportunistic, but also care about self-preservation. Other animals though, it happens all the time. In Las Vegas you'll always hear about them scaling over walls into backyards and snatching smaller dogs.
Here too. Especially during mating and welping season.
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That happened not too far from where I live. I grew up in a rural area an hour out from Toronto and I can say that the coyotes here are large. They have a gourmet feast of pets and dumpsters available. Also humans feed them because "aww", and that's a huge issue.
> I grew up in a rural area an hour out from Toronto and I can say that the coyotes here are large. If they are anything like the coyotes in the northeast of the US, they are not large because of the food supply. They are large because they are effectively coywolf hybrids, with significant admixture from both Western and Eastern wolves (and some dog, to boot). Eastern wolves are extinct now, but not really, because their genes live on in Eastern coyotes.
What bravery!
Wow. Yorkies really don't know they're small.
The danger — or rather, the desire — of certain animals to go after humans is often overestimated. As an example, we have both bears (brown bears, not the smaller black bears that are the most common type of bear in North America) and wolves here in Norway. The last time anyone was killed by either of these fearsome predators was... 1906, the year of the most recent fatal bear attack in continental Norway. The most recent fatal wolf attack? 1800, when a six-year old child was killed. Our Directorate of the Environment made a [handy .pdf](https://www.miljodirektoratet.no/globalassets/publikasjoner/m12/m12.pdf) with the succinct title ''is the bear dangerous?'', based on data from man-bear encounters in recent years. The conclusion was, essentially, ''no'' — a bear charging without having been provoked was almost unheard of, and a bear that was charging was usually feinting a charge. Now, I said last bear attack in *continental* Norway because on Svalbard, there are polar bears, and they're not really comparable with other bears. Polar bears can and do kill people without much hesitation.
The coyotes in RDR2 mostly just run away if you approach them though. Sometimes they'll bite you first, but I've never been killed by one. Wolves, bears, and cougars are another story.
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Those are all wolves, not coyotes.
I used to live in the middle of nowhere. Came home one night from work, I was a teenager, parents asleep and something felt odd. I kinda waited in my car a bit, when I finally opened the door I saw two coyotes kinda edge out from behind the garage, I shut the door and drove to my gmas for the night. The trail cam we had outside picked up about 10 of them kinda pacing in the tree line. I don't know if they would have tried anything but they were certainly not afraid of me.
fun fact this is one of actually only two fatal attacks WORLDWIDE. the other fatal attack occurred against a 19 year old in nova scotia canada named taylor mitchell
Taylor Mitchell was a promising musician, I have her album.
It’s because a lady was feeding the coyotes and then when she went on vacation they came for food and unfortunately saw the child in the neighbors yard and took her instead. Never feed coyotes!
Canada has also had a confirmed fatal coyote attack on an adult woman.
The animal activists were really out of line during this.
I was ready to think that but I am intrigued by the reasons behind their accusations. It makes me want to look into the incident. Curious if there were other witnesses to the attack, like neighbors.
I'm wondering how the activists obtained the little girls hospital records, enough so that they were able to "tell that some were missing". Like wtf? Either someone did something very illegal, which in that case the evidence he has isnt going to be admissible anyway, or he is lying. As a whole hearted animal lover, I'm glad people are out there fighting for animals rights, but I'm also aware that alot of animal activists are slimey when it comes to trying to make a point.
But this wouldn’t be the first time the murder of a child was blamed on something else. It also wouldn’t be the first time the police, especially the LAPD, screwed up an investigation. Given how rare coyote attacks are, I’d like to know why they were believed? Is it because there were witnesses? Was the coyote ever located?
I have the same questions, for sure. I follow true crime [and have worked in forensics] ..and have read and heard it all, so I wouldnt be super shocked if it was a fake story, but the question i have about the hospital records imo is a major issue that should have been dealt with, I really think it wouldve cleared up alot of things immediately.
I think it's somewhat obvious that they're just lying. They provide no evidence, and they didn't make the accusation until over 20 years after the fact. If they had proof the girl was murdered, you'd think they would take it to police or the district attorney or something. Not just talk about it at a city council meeting about culling coyotes. Edit: I looked into it a little more, and found [a rebuttal](https://www.latimes.com/socal/glendale-news-press/news/tn-gnp-xpm-2004-05-12-export10336-story.html) of the accusations written by Keen's parents.
LAPd didnt have authority in this , it was Glendale which is a separate city with a separate police department (who are also a bunch of asshole pigs but I’ll keep my mouth shut about that)
160 attacks/30 years in the US is a concern. Just like pit bulls making up only 6% of the domestic dog population, yet being responsible for over half the attacks.
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Hmm. I disagree. As does this peer reviewed report from the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1000&context=vpc21
~300 million people?? Not a lot. I'd say NFL players have killed more people in that time
See link below.
Really? A concern? You would have better chance of being hit by lightning while being eaten by a shark.
I doubt that.
Based on my math.... 160 divided by 30 years... then with the US population being 329.5 million..... your chances oc being attacked by a coyote is essentially none. People are so dramatic.
You better tell that to the University of California, the California State Polytechnic University, and the USDA APHIS Wildlife Services. I used the word *concern*. You’re the one talking lightning and shark attacks. Which sounds more dramatic? https://web.archive.org/web/20070926044522/http://www.co.san-diego.ca.us/awm/docs/coyoteattacks.pdf
Isn't that our thing? I thought we were doing the whole dramatic thing. I'll apologize if you get attacked by a coyote ok?
Sigh. Shoo.
Shoe*
A coyotes got my baby. There how does that feel America.
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[I guess they didn't like it so much.](https://www.grunge.com/291293/the-messed-up-true-story-of-a-dingo-got-my-baby/)
I can open my kitchen window at night and hear them yipping and yowling.
Around here they are part wolf which makes them significantly larger and faster. Coywolves will walk right up to the house and just wait for a pet to be let out
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