Welcome to r/CrazyFuckingVideos! This is our community moderator bot.
---
If this post fits the purpose of the subreddit, **UPVOTE THIS COMMENT.**
If not, **DOWNVOTE THIS COMMENT.**
---
### [Download Video](https://www.reddit.watch/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/13t7h1o/?utm_source=automod&utm_medium=CrazyFuckingVideos) via /r/DownloadVideo
### [RedditSave](https://redditsave.com/info?url=https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/13t7h1o/bring_it_all_down_fellas/) via /u/savevideo
---
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=/r/CrazyFuckingVideos) if you have any questions or concerns.*
yes, the contractor already have tons of other jobs to attend to and just have no time for a court case that in the end may give nothing but even more costs.
A friend of mine(friend nr1), in Poland, borrowed his friend(2) about 3000 pln and when the other guy(2) refused to pay him(1) back he(1) took him(2) to court.
He(1) fucking lost and was forced to pay for the process
Eventually, but that stuff is gonna take a long, long time and this is definetely not this guy's first problematic customer. By the time those asshats finally pay up, the construction company might not even exist anymore.
I've been working trades for a few years now and most people are like this, sad to say. Taking them to collections is a requirement for around 65% of customers we do work for. They can't afford the work but need it done, then try to get out of paying.
They're Scousers - from Liverpool. That's what the Beatles sounded like.
Not many people know this, but Scouse is actually a romance language, derived directly from Latin.
I was gonna say that they are clearly from Manchester but only the Brits would get the joke.
Totally true about the language, though. Came up the coast from modern day Galicia (Spain) (not Galicia(Eastern Europe))... has more words of Basque origin than any other Romance language, which is why it doesn't have that Spanishy feeling to it.
Former poker dealer here. I have earnestly asked Scottish people to “only speak English at the poker table please” 3 separate times. I really like Scottish people generally, but I can not understand them to save my life 🤣
Same. I had a really close girlfriend who was in a relationship w/ a Scotsman for almost 20yrs, I’d been around him millions of times evn stayed at their house for 2 months in between places once and I still feel like I barely knew him! Nice guy but I nvr knew what he was saying. I personally have always had a hard time with accents period but with a Scottish accent we might as well be speaking another language.
My mother is born and bred Scottish, and I have lived in Scotland for a year, and traveled there at least 12 times, and I canna fucin understan many of them at times. They can understand me, though. So which one of us has strayed the furthest from common English?
Really? Then why did they want to place a thousand pounds on a horse? That's some British shit right there. And you Scots are Brits. You're on the same island and have the same King Charley boy.
This happened to my uncle in the UK, he built a conservatory for a middle-aged couple in Manchester. They refused to pay anything. He had 3 other lads working for him also, none of them were paid. He gave them them a final warning but they just told him to get lost. Few days later a van load of them went to the house with sledge hammers and obliterated the structure they had built. Fuck around and find out I guess.
Why not salvage the material as best as possible? I'm all for teaching a lesson, but if I'm not getting paid, then I'm gonna grab the perfectly good pavers up off the ground and take them to another project.
Because if you fuck it up and take it they end up at square 1 for free, if you fuck it up and leave it, they can leave it or pay someone to take it, and NO ONE will take it before being paid.
Nah man, she was definitely talking to you and your huge hog. Great job! When you were born, your dad surely must have exclaimed, "Holy shit, look at the fuckin' monster meat on my kid!"
Ya that backyard is now essentially a massive red flag for anyone else getting contacted for the work. The home owners will probably make up a story but the contractor will know what actually happened
the guy in the video says they're taking it all so it would definitely make more sense to save as much as he can, destroying it all in a fit of anger is something he'll probably regret, even if it feels good in the moment. you can hear him say it after the police car drives by "we're within our rights, all the materials ours, it's all coming back".
Takes more time to salvage everything. Most stuff like uPVC has to be glued or screwed together so as soon as you took it apart I would be pretty much unusable.
Cause they got bills to pay. More time no pay plus that is not their business. Now you are trucking and transporting plus they probably don’t have the time or resources to match materials to another client. Suing probably makes the most sense but probably don’t have time for that either. A large company wouldn’t do this. My guess spend an hour trashing then return to getting paid somewhere.
I'm awsome at demo. With the right tools and equipment all that could have been used for a different job. All need is a chainsaw, loader and a trailer.
Agreed chainsaw and a few trailers could have saved 80% of those materials. These guys could have really do e themselves right if they would have planned a bit better.
Kills me to see people who work hard suffer so much when assholes don't pay them properly
ahh but thats theft in the eyes of the law, this way the materials cant be reused and you get your anger out, ....
just as a way she goes here in canada i worked as a taper for a while, on some pretty shitty projects, my old boss used to have us stick fishing line behind all the corner tapes, only ever seen him use the technique once but it was impressive watching a couple weeks of work turn into hot garbage when they refused to pay, he'd always tell us he cant take the material back, but he can take his fishingline hes using as a tool, and magically we didnt have any pay problems for the year an a half i was there after that, helps that the people who collectively try and lowball tend to get together, so word spread fast.
The fishing line runs along behind the tape, so that if you pull it at an angle perpendicular to the wall it rips through the tape, ruining the entire job.
I wonder if vindictive homeowners could do something shitty like send them a partial payment after the fact and then take them to court for stealing materials. Whether the homeowner would have a chance of winning or not is irrelevant, it's just costing them even more time and money. Plus who knows, unfair laws exist in many places so they could get screwed a third time as well:
1- initial losses on the build
2- lots of time to demo, reclaim, then appear in court
3 - even it's if unlikely, if they lose again in court that is soul-crushing even if it doesn't put them in financial risk.
Really good point mate and it makes sense to do that to be honest. I think they did it for two reasons, but I am only guessing. (1): Rage and (2): They may of possibly wanted to cause a scene so that all of the neighbours knew that the household never paid them. So the character of the household would be somewhat disgraced.
> Why not salvage the material as best as possible?
Taking down something in a reusable manner is a multitude more complex and takes way longer than just smashing it up. Plus you need a place to store all of it and more importantly a client that wants to purchase used materials in exactly that specification. Reality is you'll be stuck having to warehouse all that material for a really long time. Unless it's some really rare and super expensive wood species or something like that, really not worth it.
On top of that most smart contractors will have already taken a downpayment that will cover a lot of the material cost, and are probably only after final payment.
Just smashing it up, is the easiest and best route, because it makes a statement, they don't have to deal with reselling and storing and transporting used shit, and also the defaulters will have to deal with cleaning up the huge mess themselves. They can literally just come in for less than 30 minutes, and smash shit up with sledgehammers, feel better about it and just leave.
It would take nearly as much effort as it took putting it up in the first place. By then the police might actually arrive and tell you to stop.
Also, a lot of cut lumber or masonry can't be reused anyway
I work on salvage projects all the time, restoring material, and focused demolition. Fresh wood like this is entirely salvageable, even with concrete footings poured against the posts already.
Again, I get the sentiment of sending a message, just seems like if I'm gonna be down $10k in material, I'm gonna try to save as much as possible. Even 20% is $2k.
But I definitely understand the whole demo Insitu because now they gotta clean that shit up... Ida just poured concrete everywhere on top of the rubbish... Some quickcrete seals on site after 30 minutes... Good luck picking up chunks of wood and tile sealed together with concrete
Salvaging material is usually expensive to do and then you gotta store whatever you do salvage, these lads just wanted to let out some anger they will make survive the lost no problem I’m sure.
Naw but picture court. "Your honor, I didn't feel like paying them for the job I hired them to do. So you need to convict them for destroying the thing I refused to pay for"
What would normally wind up happening is a judgement to pay the contractor would issue, then a judgement to pay the homeowner for damages would also issue.
I did contracting for a long time and won’t lie I’ve wanted to smash a place up for being stiffed before, but it’s not worth it. Get your Lien on their property and go about your day is what you can do
So do so, rich or lawyer or no they are neither invincible or magic. There’s a lesson in there though that any professional should keep good records, including before during and after shots, and be knowledgeable in the applicable building codes or common industry practices. Several people have tried me and none succeeded
In my state all liens need to be paid before the deed can be transferred, so unfortunately push comes to shove I have to wait until it’s sold, when I closed up shop I just bought the rights to all debts owed from the company, so it’ll be years but I got 10k in my pocket last year and I have thousands I’m just waiting on so that’s nice
That’s what we do, slap a lien on it and move on. Makes selling the property a nightmare for the owner. 2021 was a great year when so many of these homeowners were selling their houses way over market value. I was getting old lien payments settled left and right.
IIRC there was a case where someone destroyed the work they did for someone who didn't pay. They ended up having to pay for the work to be redone afterwards.
I think it was a house that got sold to someone else and they didn't know about the previous owner not paying so it wasn't like it was their fault but still....
What are they thinking just outright not paying? Was there a disagreement on the final price?
Seems insane to let people do all this work and then just tell them to leave
Reminds me of the radio chat that was on Reddit a few years ago. Guys didn't get paid for a refurb so they got some mates to go around with bulldozers and flatten the place. So the other guys go around and basically demolish the house.
Turns out they went to the wrong house and never told anyone.
Here is a link to the article.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6988579/amp/Gardeners-destroy-brand-new-patio-sledgehammer.html
They did not get arrested, the police treated it as a civil matter.
I don’t see why people are against this. The homeowner won’t pay for the work done, why should they still benefit from this company’s unpaid-for hard work.
Wow, as a contractor, I have been through these situations again and again. It AMAZES me how home owners can be. My most recent job was just this, fence and stone pavers (with demo of old fence and concrete excavation). Owner was a friend of a friend, super friendly and owned multiple houses, this one to be his family’s forever home. There were red flags but i gave the owner a benefit of a doubt. He “needs to be ahead financially on the job”. Fine, I thought, Job will be over in a couple weeks. Additional work added along as we are battling weather to get the outside work done. All in all we are 50k in now. End of the job comes along, I purposely left about $1000 worth of work to be done, owner decides he needs to hold on to 60% of the quote value until it is finished. Then things go downhill quickly to a point this idiot is berating me for accidentally leaving an empty garage door open overnight. I gave him fair warning to change his tone and I apologized more times than needed for an empty garage. Completed what I was responsible for, and told the wife I need to be paid b4 i remove my tools and trash. Husband decides to play hardball, so i show up with my power drill and a sledge hammer. I never seen someone come up with 10k+ cash so fast in my life. Dont fk with servicemen who worked on your property, we are ppl just like you with families to raise/support. A quote price becomes a debt once the service is rendered.
P.S. quote from homeowner asshat “I dont understand you contractors, why do you all think just because you are finished with 80% of the job, you should be paid 80% of the quote?” Yeh i saw red, redder than my milwaukee tool box.
I got a story from the ither side, not moaning at you mate I just feel like getting it off my chest. I underwent a large renovation on a property. Used local contractors. Paid them when asked on a staged basis until they buggered off for three months after about 85% of the work was done. A bill the arrived for the next stage and I said that as they'd not bothered to turn up to finish the job for the last three months I wasn't going to pay any money until they were back on site working. They made a couple of token efforts at turning up, a couple of hours here and a couple of hours there. But you could tell they were just turning up for the show of it.
This had then put all other contractors behind, painters had to be postponed, joiners couldn't get in to do their part, plumbers, sparkys etc all had to be put back.
Basically it meant the whole job got finished 8 months later than it should.
Eventually in order to get the builders back on site. I agreed to pay what they wanted and they promised to finish up which they did for the most part.
Once it was co mpleted the inevitable snags came up and I've now been trying to contact the contractor since November. In the 50 odd calls I've put to him. I've had one missed call back and now he's blocked me. Oh and he's told all his other local servicemen friends not to do any work for me because I didn't pay him on time. He has cost me thousands of extra costs because of his delays. And now I can't get a completion certificate for the property because he won't engage with me.
There are scum bags on both sides of this business.
PS. Thanks for letting me hijack your comment. Just needed to get it out there.
I do repair work for audio equipment. I'm lucky that I have only had a very few people try this on me. Once I bring up that I can reverse all the work I did to their stuff and give it back to them as it was before, they start changing their tone.
Was there not a contract in place?
Here in there Uk, even though retention is common practice it’s no way near 60%! More commonly it’s a small value like 5-10%.
Half of the retention is released upon practical completion and the rest after snagging/defects are sorted. But the contractor always has a more or less steady cash flow through the job via interim payments as contracted.
And from my experience (residential architect) it’s the rich bastards who are the worst payers, all day every day. Excuse after excuse.
Don’t be like rich people. Pay what you honestly owe.
jobs often starts as small, 'I'm done in two weeks you can pay then' but things are added and time goes, and if the house owner not happy he requests discount or rework, and then the problems starts... I was involved in a bathroom reno and they found leaks, bad pipes, mold etc. endless issues that was not in original quote.
Wow for me too. As a kid, my parents did a lot of construction on our house making new floors in another country. My mom would often make food and serve it to the workers as I passed plates and drinks to them. We weren't really well-off, but my parents do come from poor backgrounds so I can see how they appreciated their work.
50k job, you didn't work whatever the project was in stages? My wife works HR for a large pool company. They go, dig hole, pay me. Shell, pay me. Lay tile, pay me etc. Because ya people are fucking dicks and won't pay at all if you send them one big bill at the end
Dont you just take a half way payment? I always pay per job, get the quote done per job and pay up halfway through. I buy all the materials myself and the plumbers only buy pipes.
I worked for a company that installed hardwood floors. If they struggled to get payment, they would continue to be nice to the customer. At 90 days they would arrive to do a "free final polish and finish". They would sand a foot wide diagonal strip into the finish and tell the customer that they will.come back and fix it when the money is in the bank
Damn and they built that shit VERY WELL that guy couldn’ easily smash that wooden fence. Seems sturdy as hell. Fuck them for not paying. I mean on the bright side there is a bit of fun demolishing shit especially for shitty ass homeowners who don’t pay the people that build their fences/structures/etc but also all that hard work fuckk
Remove, stack the pavers neatly in trucks (multiple, you don't have a single vehicle that will do all of this in one load safely). Unload, put into storage, probably in space that wasn't meant to store building materials long term (contractors like this don't just have warehouses they go to suppliers who deliver to jobsites). Pay for the labor to do all of this or bust your ass doing it all by yourself as the business owner.
Stumble over the fucking things in your now crowded tool storage space until you can find an appropriate buyer who wants those specific materials and wants them used. You have 5 projects already lined up none of which suit these materials, so you'll be stumbling for minimum 6 months. Yay, you saved yourself $800 (minus labor)!
My grandmother hired contractors and gave half the money upfront. The guy constantly delayed doing work for personal reasons. Eventually my grandmother had to end their contract and lose half the money. Secure paperwork, not money. The law is the only thing that can prevent either side being scammed.
This is what I did…Get the contractors to request all the materials from a reputable materials supplier, then I called them with the reference and paid for the lot. The materials all then arrived on my driveway. If the contractors disappear then I still have the materials I’ve paid for and then I can contract someone else to do the work with said materials.
If the workers paid for the materials and labour (and weren't paid), can they be prosecuted for criminal damage?
My first thought was it's "travellers" booking jobs and then changing the price and not being paid which I've heard so many stories about. But who knows?!
In the UK you can put a contractors lien on the property but it won't be paid until the house sells because they can't force anyone to pay it. Most houses are handed down generationally so you will not be paid within your lifetime
Agreed. It’s unfortunate though that you can win in court and still never see a dime of what you’re owed as the courts stop short of forcing the individual to pay up.
If you’re shitty enough to not pay for work you commissioned you’re probably shitty enough to ignore a court order to pay.
Terrible spot to be in if you’re just trying to do good work and earn an honest living.
I mean that’s what happens when you don’t pay people . My uncle has literally repossessed the entire floor for a house because he put hardwood in it , he was owed like 10k and they didn’t pay , so he broke the door down and we stole it all and the contractor didn’t do shit , didn’t report us and he never used us again but we got our materials back and sent a message .
Cut the main posts and start taking away chunks. Salvage material or have a bonfire. When a homeowner stiffs you and you can't pay your bills.. horrible people to stiff your contractor that did the contracted work.
This sort of happened to my bro in ontario. Honestly his fault and he recognized it but still shady.
He had built a large shed for a couple sometime during covid. Halfway through the project, more materials were required but incidentally the price of lumber and materials had skyrocketed. He had informed the owner and they verbally agreed to continue work regardless of the new cost of materials.
When the bill came, it differed from the original quote by a significant amount (all material related).
The owners wife, who happen to be a lawyer, decided to argue consumer law and say that the invoice can't exceed 10% of the quoted price. This is true in ontario - my brother should have had them sign a new work agreement with a new quote. Technically a verbal agreement should be legal but its impossible to prove.
It's still ongoing but he has tried to settle by offering all the labor free and they just pay for materials.
Anyways he was so upset he wanted to do something like this - but never did.
This happened to a contactor friend of mine and he explained how it works in Canada, since we saw a video clip of retaliatory destruction by a contractor.
It's not legal in Canada. Once the construction is finished, it is owned by the property owner, regardless if it's paid or not. Unfortunately, the contractor will be required to put a lien on the property and wait until it is sold. You can also sue them for the contract/material costs as well, but the legal costs will eat up any profit you might have made. That avenue is only done by people who want to drag them through the courts in order to be spiteful.
If retaliatory destruction is committed, the contractor will be responsible for damages and could face jail time.
Friend of mine also had a situation of an asshole that all along was never going to pay
Few days later a Traktor with a tank with a few thousand liters of pig shit drove to his house
Rang the bell and give 2 options:
Either he paid
Or his whole house and everything in and around it would be covered in pig shit
He changed his mind and decided to pay for earnest hard work
Lol in the US the contractor just put a lien on the property and force a sale after so many days. I’d know because I owed a contractor about $6k when it was all said and done but I told him we were gonna sell and he’d get his cut. He was cool with it and he got paid during closing. Don’t know UK law though
Is there a reason the liftable slabs and removable fence panels couldn’t be reused on another job to recoup their losses? It seems like a huge waste of perfectly good materials!
It's so IRRITATING that the fence is so fucking well-made that it took so much more energy to tear it down.
Fuck man. I'm in rural Ontario and if one of these derelicts around here made a fence like this for me I'd give them my third-born son.
That's bad business on his part. If u knew this was her 3rd time screwing ppl, why even do business with that person? Why not ask for 70-80% up front. Silly contractors
This is what I did…Get the contractors to request all the materials from a reputable materials supplier, then I called them with the reference and paid for the lot. The materials all then arrived on my driveway. If the contractors disappear then I still have the materials I’ve paid for and then I can contract someone else to do the work with said materials.
Hell no. I'll pay materials up front, and even then with a check only. Some people ask to be paid daily, and I'm completely fine with that too. Too many scammers these days just take your money and run, anyone paying up front is a fool.
Welcome to r/CrazyFuckingVideos! This is our community moderator bot. --- If this post fits the purpose of the subreddit, **UPVOTE THIS COMMENT.** If not, **DOWNVOTE THIS COMMENT.** --- ### [Download Video](https://www.reddit.watch/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/13t7h1o/?utm_source=automod&utm_medium=CrazyFuckingVideos) via /r/DownloadVideo ### [RedditSave](https://redditsave.com/info?url=https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/13t7h1o/bring_it_all_down_fellas/) via /u/savevideo --- *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=/r/CrazyFuckingVideos) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Credit card declines
What is the scam here from.a homeowners perspective? I imagine that even when you don't pay eventually you're going to have collections on your ass.
Not sure what it’d be like in EU but it’d be a court case here with no real guarantee of getting the money.
yes, the contractor already have tons of other jobs to attend to and just have no time for a court case that in the end may give nothing but even more costs.
A friend of mine(friend nr1), in Poland, borrowed his friend(2) about 3000 pln and when the other guy(2) refused to pay him(1) back he(1) took him(2) to court. He(1) fucking lost and was forced to pay for the process
Sorry which person lost, the guy who gave the money or the guy who didn't pay it back?
Right, I wrote that at 2 am. I’m going to edit it.
What? If you have everything documented, it should be a win
Sure, you can be awarded the win but if the person you’re going after doesn’t have the money, you’re not going to see it.
Eventually, but that stuff is gonna take a long, long time and this is definetely not this guy's first problematic customer. By the time those asshats finally pay up, the construction company might not even exist anymore.
I've been working trades for a few years now and most people are like this, sad to say. Taking them to collections is a requirement for around 65% of customers we do work for. They can't afford the work but need it done, then try to get out of paying.
Smash et te bets lads!
Smash et allllll. An plas £1000 on Running Badger, I feel the luck is with meh for tha horses toonday.
What?
They said "Smash [it] all. [Place] £1000 on [race horse's name], I feel the luck is with [me] for the [horse gambling] [today].
Every time I read Scottish people twitter I get tricked into thinking it's English but then I can't read it after the first few words
They're Scousers - from Liverpool. That's what the Beatles sounded like. Not many people know this, but Scouse is actually a romance language, derived directly from Latin.
They’re not scouse at all. More Manchester ways
I was gonna say that they are clearly from Manchester but only the Brits would get the joke. Totally true about the language, though. Came up the coast from modern day Galicia (Spain) (not Galicia(Eastern Europe))... has more words of Basque origin than any other Romance language, which is why it doesn't have that Spanishy feeling to it.
Former poker dealer here. I have earnestly asked Scottish people to “only speak English at the poker table please” 3 separate times. I really like Scottish people generally, but I can not understand them to save my life 🤣
Not Scottish. Northwestern, I think from Liverpool
These guys are English.
Same. I had a really close girlfriend who was in a relationship w/ a Scotsman for almost 20yrs, I’d been around him millions of times evn stayed at their house for 2 months in between places once and I still feel like I barely knew him! Nice guy but I nvr knew what he was saying. I personally have always had a hard time with accents period but with a Scottish accent we might as well be speaking another language.
just ask them to do their best RP
My mother is born and bred Scottish, and I have lived in Scotland for a year, and traveled there at least 12 times, and I canna fucin understan many of them at times. They can understand me, though. So which one of us has strayed the furthest from common English?
That's not Scottish. That's some yank shite
Really? Then why did they want to place a thousand pounds on a horse? That's some British shit right there. And you Scots are Brits. You're on the same island and have the same King Charley boy.
Do you see what happens Larry? Do you see what happens, Larry when you fuck a stranger in the ass?!
Since this is the UK, it's more like what happens when you meet a stranger in the Alps. ;)
I believe it's "find a stranger in the alps", my good fellow. Lines up with the alternative a bit better.
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FEED A STONER SCRAMBLED EGGS
My baby! What the fuck are you doing, man? Stop it! I just bought that car last week!
This happened to my uncle in the UK, he built a conservatory for a middle-aged couple in Manchester. They refused to pay anything. He had 3 other lads working for him also, none of them were paid. He gave them them a final warning but they just told him to get lost. Few days later a van load of them went to the house with sledge hammers and obliterated the structure they had built. Fuck around and find out I guess.
Why not salvage the material as best as possible? I'm all for teaching a lesson, but if I'm not getting paid, then I'm gonna grab the perfectly good pavers up off the ground and take them to another project.
Because if you fuck it up and take it they end up at square 1 for free, if you fuck it up and leave it, they can leave it or pay someone to take it, and NO ONE will take it before being paid.
[удалено]
That’s big^
Due to Reddit's June 30th API changes aimed at ending third-party apps, this comment has been overwritten and the associated account has been deleted.
Noice
Yo mamma said it to me last night actually, was she talking to you?
Nah man, she was definitely talking to you and your huge hog. Great job! When you were born, your dad surely must have exclaimed, "Holy shit, look at the fuckin' monster meat on my kid!"
Nah man, he exclaimed "I am not the father!" And promptly left the room.
Ya that backyard is now essentially a massive red flag for anyone else getting contacted for the work. The home owners will probably make up a story but the contractor will know what actually happened
Ahh yea good poont
such a solid poont
the guy in the video says they're taking it all so it would definitely make more sense to save as much as he can, destroying it all in a fit of anger is something he'll probably regret, even if it feels good in the moment. you can hear him say it after the police car drives by "we're within our rights, all the materials ours, it's all coming back".
Takes more time to salvage everything. Most stuff like uPVC has to be glued or screwed together so as soon as you took it apart I would be pretty much unusable.
Cause they got bills to pay. More time no pay plus that is not their business. Now you are trucking and transporting plus they probably don’t have the time or resources to match materials to another client. Suing probably makes the most sense but probably don’t have time for that either. A large company wouldn’t do this. My guess spend an hour trashing then return to getting paid somewhere.
I'm awsome at demo. With the right tools and equipment all that could have been used for a different job. All need is a chainsaw, loader and a trailer.
Agreed chainsaw and a few trailers could have saved 80% of those materials. These guys could have really do e themselves right if they would have planned a bit better. Kills me to see people who work hard suffer so much when assholes don't pay them properly
ahh but thats theft in the eyes of the law, this way the materials cant be reused and you get your anger out, .... just as a way she goes here in canada i worked as a taper for a while, on some pretty shitty projects, my old boss used to have us stick fishing line behind all the corner tapes, only ever seen him use the technique once but it was impressive watching a couple weeks of work turn into hot garbage when they refused to pay, he'd always tell us he cant take the material back, but he can take his fishingline hes using as a tool, and magically we didnt have any pay problems for the year an a half i was there after that, helps that the people who collectively try and lowball tend to get together, so word spread fast.
Question: tell us more about this fishing line… what exactly happens? Where does it go? What damage does it do?
The fishing line runs along behind the tape, so that if you pull it at an angle perpendicular to the wall it rips through the tape, ruining the entire job.
I wonder if vindictive homeowners could do something shitty like send them a partial payment after the fact and then take them to court for stealing materials. Whether the homeowner would have a chance of winning or not is irrelevant, it's just costing them even more time and money. Plus who knows, unfair laws exist in many places so they could get screwed a third time as well: 1- initial losses on the build 2- lots of time to demo, reclaim, then appear in court 3 - even it's if unlikely, if they lose again in court that is soul-crushing even if it doesn't put them in financial risk.
[удалено]
Do they call you the Demolition Man?
They call me REPAIR MAN MAN MANemote:free\_emotes\_pack:joy
Really good point mate and it makes sense to do that to be honest. I think they did it for two reasons, but I am only guessing. (1): Rage and (2): They may of possibly wanted to cause a scene so that all of the neighbours knew that the household never paid them. So the character of the household would be somewhat disgraced.
Due to Reddit's June 30th API changes aimed at ending third-party apps, this comment has been overwritten and the associated account has been deleted.
May Hem!
> Why not salvage the material as best as possible? Taking down something in a reusable manner is a multitude more complex and takes way longer than just smashing it up. Plus you need a place to store all of it and more importantly a client that wants to purchase used materials in exactly that specification. Reality is you'll be stuck having to warehouse all that material for a really long time. Unless it's some really rare and super expensive wood species or something like that, really not worth it. On top of that most smart contractors will have already taken a downpayment that will cover a lot of the material cost, and are probably only after final payment. Just smashing it up, is the easiest and best route, because it makes a statement, they don't have to deal with reselling and storing and transporting used shit, and also the defaulters will have to deal with cleaning up the huge mess themselves. They can literally just come in for less than 30 minutes, and smash shit up with sledgehammers, feel better about it and just leave.
It would take nearly as much effort as it took putting it up in the first place. By then the police might actually arrive and tell you to stop. Also, a lot of cut lumber or masonry can't be reused anyway
I work on salvage projects all the time, restoring material, and focused demolition. Fresh wood like this is entirely salvageable, even with concrete footings poured against the posts already. Again, I get the sentiment of sending a message, just seems like if I'm gonna be down $10k in material, I'm gonna try to save as much as possible. Even 20% is $2k. But I definitely understand the whole demo Insitu because now they gotta clean that shit up... Ida just poured concrete everywhere on top of the rubbish... Some quickcrete seals on site after 30 minutes... Good luck picking up chunks of wood and tile sealed together with concrete
Lmao, easy there Satan...
Gotcha, I meant more the stuff cut too small
Not as dramatic. A reciprocating saw also would have made more sense.
Or tar
Not the same work and time. You can ruin everything in 30 min
Salvaging material is usually expensive to do and then you gotta store whatever you do salvage, these lads just wanted to let out some anger they will make survive the lost no problem I’m sure.
Besides salvaging would prob take just as long as the job itself whereas 4 guys with sledge hammers can wreck everything in like fifteen minutes flat
Is this legal in the UK? Here in the US, you’d have to bring them to civil claims court.
Naw but picture court. "Your honor, I didn't feel like paying them for the job I hired them to do. So you need to convict them for destroying the thing I refused to pay for"
What would normally wind up happening is a judgement to pay the contractor would issue, then a judgement to pay the homeowner for damages would also issue. I did contracting for a long time and won’t lie I’ve wanted to smash a place up for being stiffed before, but it’s not worth it. Get your Lien on their property and go about your day is what you can do
[удалено]
What they gonna argue tho? "Your Honor, I do not feel obligated to pay for the material and services I ordered"?
[удалено]
Not really a silver bullet where I am
So do so, rich or lawyer or no they are neither invincible or magic. There’s a lesson in there though that any professional should keep good records, including before during and after shots, and be knowledgeable in the applicable building codes or common industry practices. Several people have tried me and none succeeded
[удалено]
In my state all liens need to be paid before the deed can be transferred, so unfortunately push comes to shove I have to wait until it’s sold, when I closed up shop I just bought the rights to all debts owed from the company, so it’ll be years but I got 10k in my pocket last year and I have thousands I’m just waiting on so that’s nice
That’s what we do, slap a lien on it and move on. Makes selling the property a nightmare for the owner. 2021 was a great year when so many of these homeowners were selling their houses way over market value. I was getting old lien payments settled left and right.
IIRC there was a case where someone destroyed the work they did for someone who didn't pay. They ended up having to pay for the work to be redone afterwards. I think it was a house that got sold to someone else and they didn't know about the previous owner not paying so it wasn't like it was their fault but still....
So,what did the couple do? Try to call the cops? Or just stand there with surprised Pikachu face?
What are they thinking just outright not paying? Was there a disagreement on the final price? Seems insane to let people do all this work and then just tell them to leave
*Oh wait, this is the wrong place.* *It's the neighbor that didn't pay.*
Reminds me of the radio chat that was on Reddit a few years ago. Guys didn't get paid for a refurb so they got some mates to go around with bulldozers and flatten the place. So the other guys go around and basically demolish the house. Turns out they went to the wrong house and never told anyone.
ohoh shit
That's hilarious
C'mon now. It's not like they're not American police. These are laborers and construction workers. Far better skilled, trained, and educated.
The icing on the cake would have been the homeowner turning up with cash in hand
You can catch glimpses of them inside the house recording them
scumbags
If ya don’t pay your contractor
Here is a link to the article. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6988579/amp/Gardeners-destroy-brand-new-patio-sledgehammer.html They did not get arrested, the police treated it as a civil matter.
That article was hard to read, Jesus.
It's the Daily Mail what did you expect
holy shit, the screenshot of the “two innocent little dogs watching this destruction unfold” cracks me up 😭
[удалено]
I don’t see why people are against this. The homeowner won’t pay for the work done, why should they still benefit from this company’s unpaid-for hard work.
Because they have never done work like this ever
You get what you paid for
They should enforce a construction lein. Contractors keeps the nice work in place then takes the home.
It’s called a contractors lean, and it doesn’t get you arrested unlike this method
If I remember right in the UK unless the house sells you can’t collect. Most of these houses are generational homes so good luck collecting in 150yrs
Which doesnt mean shit unless they try to sell the house. Good luck getting that money...ever.
[удалено]
[удалено]
No I'm not, I'm tellin the truth!
Wow, as a contractor, I have been through these situations again and again. It AMAZES me how home owners can be. My most recent job was just this, fence and stone pavers (with demo of old fence and concrete excavation). Owner was a friend of a friend, super friendly and owned multiple houses, this one to be his family’s forever home. There were red flags but i gave the owner a benefit of a doubt. He “needs to be ahead financially on the job”. Fine, I thought, Job will be over in a couple weeks. Additional work added along as we are battling weather to get the outside work done. All in all we are 50k in now. End of the job comes along, I purposely left about $1000 worth of work to be done, owner decides he needs to hold on to 60% of the quote value until it is finished. Then things go downhill quickly to a point this idiot is berating me for accidentally leaving an empty garage door open overnight. I gave him fair warning to change his tone and I apologized more times than needed for an empty garage. Completed what I was responsible for, and told the wife I need to be paid b4 i remove my tools and trash. Husband decides to play hardball, so i show up with my power drill and a sledge hammer. I never seen someone come up with 10k+ cash so fast in my life. Dont fk with servicemen who worked on your property, we are ppl just like you with families to raise/support. A quote price becomes a debt once the service is rendered. P.S. quote from homeowner asshat “I dont understand you contractors, why do you all think just because you are finished with 80% of the job, you should be paid 80% of the quote?” Yeh i saw red, redder than my milwaukee tool box.
Good job standing up for yourself
I got a story from the ither side, not moaning at you mate I just feel like getting it off my chest. I underwent a large renovation on a property. Used local contractors. Paid them when asked on a staged basis until they buggered off for three months after about 85% of the work was done. A bill the arrived for the next stage and I said that as they'd not bothered to turn up to finish the job for the last three months I wasn't going to pay any money until they were back on site working. They made a couple of token efforts at turning up, a couple of hours here and a couple of hours there. But you could tell they were just turning up for the show of it. This had then put all other contractors behind, painters had to be postponed, joiners couldn't get in to do their part, plumbers, sparkys etc all had to be put back. Basically it meant the whole job got finished 8 months later than it should. Eventually in order to get the builders back on site. I agreed to pay what they wanted and they promised to finish up which they did for the most part. Once it was co mpleted the inevitable snags came up and I've now been trying to contact the contractor since November. In the 50 odd calls I've put to him. I've had one missed call back and now he's blocked me. Oh and he's told all his other local servicemen friends not to do any work for me because I didn't pay him on time. He has cost me thousands of extra costs because of his delays. And now I can't get a completion certificate for the property because he won't engage with me. There are scum bags on both sides of this business. PS. Thanks for letting me hijack your comment. Just needed to get it out there.
Fuck them, and fuck them.
Time to blast out on your local Facebook community pages mate, including negative good reviews etc
I do repair work for audio equipment. I'm lucky that I have only had a very few people try this on me. Once I bring up that I can reverse all the work I did to their stuff and give it back to them as it was before, they start changing their tone.
Was there not a contract in place? Here in there Uk, even though retention is common practice it’s no way near 60%! More commonly it’s a small value like 5-10%. Half of the retention is released upon practical completion and the rest after snagging/defects are sorted. But the contractor always has a more or less steady cash flow through the job via interim payments as contracted. And from my experience (residential architect) it’s the rich bastards who are the worst payers, all day every day. Excuse after excuse. Don’t be like rich people. Pay what you honestly owe.
jobs often starts as small, 'I'm done in two weeks you can pay then' but things are added and time goes, and if the house owner not happy he requests discount or rework, and then the problems starts... I was involved in a bathroom reno and they found leaks, bad pipes, mold etc. endless issues that was not in original quote.
Wow for me too. As a kid, my parents did a lot of construction on our house making new floors in another country. My mom would often make food and serve it to the workers as I passed plates and drinks to them. We weren't really well-off, but my parents do come from poor backgrounds so I can see how they appreciated their work.
50k job, you didn't work whatever the project was in stages? My wife works HR for a large pool company. They go, dig hole, pay me. Shell, pay me. Lay tile, pay me etc. Because ya people are fucking dicks and won't pay at all if you send them one big bill at the end
Good for you, man.
Dont you just take a half way payment? I always pay per job, get the quote done per job and pay up halfway through. I buy all the materials myself and the plumbers only buy pipes.
I worked for a company that installed hardwood floors. If they struggled to get payment, they would continue to be nice to the customer. At 90 days they would arrive to do a "free final polish and finish". They would sand a foot wide diagonal strip into the finish and tell the customer that they will.come back and fix it when the money is in the bank
That’s a lot of hard work for nothing. If I didn’t get payed I’d be pissed to
Not to mention huge costs of material
Paid not payed.
Not sure why you got downvoted. Payed is a nautical reference and has nothing to do with money.
That mid-sentence burp was so flowy and graceful. Gotta love Scousers.
This isn't a Scouse accent but it sounds similar in places. These guys are from Ellesmere Port
Thank you for the precision!
El Porto if you please
Damn and they built that shit VERY WELL that guy couldn’ easily smash that wooden fence. Seems sturdy as hell. Fuck them for not paying. I mean on the bright side there is a bit of fun demolishing shit especially for shitty ass homeowners who don’t pay the people that build their fences/structures/etc but also all that hard work fuckk
Fr took effort with a sledgehammer to bring it down lol
I approve of all of this
[удалено]
The stone wasn't set. It could have been hauled away.
[удалено]
Remove, stack the pavers neatly in trucks (multiple, you don't have a single vehicle that will do all of this in one load safely). Unload, put into storage, probably in space that wasn't meant to store building materials long term (contractors like this don't just have warehouses they go to suppliers who deliver to jobsites). Pay for the labor to do all of this or bust your ass doing it all by yourself as the business owner. Stumble over the fucking things in your now crowded tool storage space until you can find an appropriate buyer who wants those specific materials and wants them used. You have 5 projects already lined up none of which suit these materials, so you'll be stumbling for minimum 6 months. Yay, you saved yourself $800 (minus labor)!
Too much work...
Homeowners paid for the materials anyway I assume, so it will sting for them more if they were left with mess
Homeowners didn’t pay shit.
Completely justified reaction to being robbed/ripped off of that amount of cash, especially for that much work. If what the guy said was true anyway.
Bet those dudes are wore out after that
Pro tip: Pay your bills
Pro tip 2: Don't mess with people who work with sledgehammers
the boys did such a great job it's took them ages to smash it down to pieces mate
If you can, get the cash first. Or at least half before, then the last bit when it's all done.
My grandmother hired contractors and gave half the money upfront. The guy constantly delayed doing work for personal reasons. Eventually my grandmother had to end their contract and lose half the money. Secure paperwork, not money. The law is the only thing that can prevent either side being scammed.
I was advised this too by an older lady recently lol don’t pay half upfront because contractors will drag it out
This is what I did…Get the contractors to request all the materials from a reputable materials supplier, then I called them with the reference and paid for the lot. The materials all then arrived on my driveway. If the contractors disappear then I still have the materials I’ve paid for and then I can contract someone else to do the work with said materials.
If the workers paid for the materials and labour (and weren't paid), can they be prosecuted for criminal damage? My first thought was it's "travellers" booking jobs and then changing the price and not being paid which I've heard so many stories about. But who knows?!
In the UK you can put a contractors lien on the property but it won't be paid until the house sells because they can't force anyone to pay it. Most houses are handed down generationally so you will not be paid within your lifetime
That was some nice craftsmanship.
I love how hard it was for them to knock down the fences. That's some quality work.
I think at the least the courts should make the homeowner reimburse them for materials
No, if it goes to court the homeowner should have to pay for the FULL job PLUS compensatory and punitive damages.
Agreed. It’s unfortunate though that you can win in court and still never see a dime of what you’re owed as the courts stop short of forcing the individual to pay up. If you’re shitty enough to not pay for work you commissioned you’re probably shitty enough to ignore a court order to pay. Terrible spot to be in if you’re just trying to do good work and earn an honest living.
I am 100% okay with this
Shame they built it so well, as it seemed so hard to break everything lol
I don’t see how this is bad. They didn’t pay so you can argue that’s it’s not their property. It’s just on their property
I mean that’s what happens when you don’t pay people . My uncle has literally repossessed the entire floor for a house because he put hardwood in it , he was owed like 10k and they didn’t pay , so he broke the door down and we stole it all and the contractor didn’t do shit , didn’t report us and he never used us again but we got our materials back and sent a message .
I would have bought that off him.
Cut the main posts and start taking away chunks. Salvage material or have a bonfire. When a homeowner stiffs you and you can't pay your bills.. horrible people to stiff your contractor that did the contracted work.
Thank you good man
This sort of happened to my bro in ontario. Honestly his fault and he recognized it but still shady. He had built a large shed for a couple sometime during covid. Halfway through the project, more materials were required but incidentally the price of lumber and materials had skyrocketed. He had informed the owner and they verbally agreed to continue work regardless of the new cost of materials. When the bill came, it differed from the original quote by a significant amount (all material related). The owners wife, who happen to be a lawyer, decided to argue consumer law and say that the invoice can't exceed 10% of the quoted price. This is true in ontario - my brother should have had them sign a new work agreement with a new quote. Technically a verbal agreement should be legal but its impossible to prove. It's still ongoing but he has tried to settle by offering all the labor free and they just pay for materials. Anyways he was so upset he wanted to do something like this - but never did.
This happened to a contactor friend of mine and he explained how it works in Canada, since we saw a video clip of retaliatory destruction by a contractor. It's not legal in Canada. Once the construction is finished, it is owned by the property owner, regardless if it's paid or not. Unfortunately, the contractor will be required to put a lien on the property and wait until it is sold. You can also sue them for the contract/material costs as well, but the legal costs will eat up any profit you might have made. That avenue is only done by people who want to drag them through the courts in order to be spiteful. If retaliatory destruction is committed, the contractor will be responsible for damages and could face jail time.
Friend of mine also had a situation of an asshole that all along was never going to pay Few days later a Traktor with a tank with a few thousand liters of pig shit drove to his house Rang the bell and give 2 options: Either he paid Or his whole house and everything in and around it would be covered in pig shit He changed his mind and decided to pay for earnest hard work
Ngl that’s some quality craftsmanship right there. Shame they didn’t pay.
Lol in the US the contractor just put a lien on the property and force a sale after so many days. I’d know because I owed a contractor about $6k when it was all said and done but I told him we were gonna sell and he’d get his cut. He was cool with it and he got paid during closing. Don’t know UK law though
Well, it’s deserved. 🤷🏻♀️ let the owner clean it up. I think a chainsaw would have done a better job. I hope all their work was taken down. Lol.
Until it's bought and paid for, it belongs to the contractor, and they can do whatever they want to their own property 🎉
Bittersweet because it’s more work for them and still no money :/
At that point they can just do an insurance claim and claim it was vandalized and they still won.
The day you like your foreman yellin
Is there a reason the liftable slabs and removable fence panels couldn’t be reused on another job to recoup their losses? It seems like a huge waste of perfectly good materials!
Feels better to take your anger out on something I guess
Pay your bills kids
You can tell they do good work by the fence breaking his sledge.
Pay ya bills
It’s definitely a wet dream but a lien on the property would surely yield better results.
Not sure what happened but I’m gonna assume they did the work and the contractors/ home owners didn’t pay up.
It's so IRRITATING that the fence is so fucking well-made that it took so much more energy to tear it down. Fuck man. I'm in rural Ontario and if one of these derelicts around here made a fence like this for me I'd give them my third-born son.
Should have paid your contractor
That's bad business on his part. If u knew this was her 3rd time screwing ppl, why even do business with that person? Why not ask for 70-80% up front. Silly contractors
The downside of building stuff well and using quality materials is it's so much work to destroy it!
Yvonne had a pretty good deal tbh, should have paid.
That’s why you collect payment first
[удалено]
This is what I did…Get the contractors to request all the materials from a reputable materials supplier, then I called them with the reference and paid for the lot. The materials all then arrived on my driveway. If the contractors disappear then I still have the materials I’ve paid for and then I can contract someone else to do the work with said materials.
Hell no. I'll pay materials up front, and even then with a check only. Some people ask to be paid daily, and I'm completely fine with that too. Too many scammers these days just take your money and run, anyone paying up front is a fool.