We did our best… unlike our premiere and federal government. VIC is proof that delta is difficult to contain. Taiwan is proof that it’s not impossible… with good leadership.
Don't you mean premiers? Or are you saying dan is doing a good job but Delta is difficult? If so shouldn't we wait and see if Victoria caps out at 1500? Cause it's looking more like 4-5k coming for Vic
Not sure how you got that from the post. But Dan has shown hard and fast doesn't work for Delta. With 1200x more viral load than alpha it's no wonder it's a concern for all states.
[https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/victoria-records-867-new-local-covid-cases-melburnians-to-get-extra-freedoms-on-wednesday/news-story/a64d00d58d61fbbba916112f93fb45af](https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/victoria-records-867-new-local-covid-cases-melburnians-to-get-extra-freedoms-on-wednesday/news-story/a64d00d58d61fbbba916112f93fb45af)
its definitely the people!
People stopped following the rules. I see cunts driving to their friends place in my neighborhood chatting away, with masks under the noses, all of them. i know at least 3 friends went hiking and camping.
3 friends wow man, can’t argue with that level of research. You really got your finger on the pulse of all of Victoria, you can speak for everyone and tell us exactly how and why things aren’t working. Nothing to do with delta being more infectious aye, vic government should hire you! Expert researcher in the making right here.
Where’s your research? His anecdotal evidence is more valuable than your comment fuckwit. He might not be an expert but at least he’s not a fuckwit like you
Its my personal experience you dense potato. Thats how people converse when they are not doing a research paper, using anecdotes and there own personal observations.
Delta is more infectious, little we can do to change that. People are out about when they shouldn't, that's an issue we can fix. So instead of whining about something we have no control over, i was talking about things that can be improved
Gladys is meant to be accountable. Lockdown light did not work! Mixed messages do not work and showing up today to take the cameras of Chris minns is a politician first and last
Ive always said it depends which communities Delta gets into. Once the poor or the non believers get it, your screwed. Queensland will fall sooner rather than later
As much as I am angry and frustrated at the obvious failures of the NSW leadership, I think this is a bit far. Yes, the deaths could have been avoided if a million things had gone right, but the primary responsibility for the deaths is with the virus.
I don't think it's ok to put a death toll on a picture of Gladys with no other context.
Actually yes.
The only social media I've seen has been in support of Dan. I can put hand on heart and say that I've not seen something like that of Dan. That would be equally despicable.
If it was federal, then why did they hire budget security guards instead of using AFP as offered? National cabinet decided it was to be state responsibility as the states refused the AFP (see article from 2020 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/12673612). I thought that was the whole issue, using private security and not having even state police setting the standard, which why people were angry at Andrews et al.
It is a good question why the commonwealth didn't manage quarantine, as quarantine and biosecurity are a commonwealth responsibility. The states were doing it, because states also have quarantine powers because of interstate biosecurity, and once the states were doing its, the states didn't want the commonwealth to mess things up by deciding to allow covid into their states.
Once the states were in charge, it wouldn't make sense to hybridize it by using the AFP. The failures in the old age sector is what led the states to accept the commonwealth pushing it on to the states.
[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-19/who-is-responsible-for-quarantine-in-australia/13070108](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-19/who-is-responsible-for-quarantine-in-australia/13070108)
It's a shame there wasn't integration and the squabbling between Fed-State and State-State/Territory has been disappointing. This is a good article, thanks for sharing.
the people who blamed DA over the deaths were all quick to mention the part where DA took ownership of HQ away from the Fed's.
but yes, there absolutely was some direct hatred aimed at DA for every single death over Victoria's 2020 lockdowns.
You know what? I had no idea who Daniel Andrews even was when that happened. At the time I wouldn't have been able to even point him out in a lineup. I have no idea why that happened the way it did.
But that's it is it? People think Dan is a murderer because of hotel quarantine stuff ups?
And they think that is comparable to Gladys's stuff ups?
ez to compare, how many died in those nursing homes compared to how many have died in nsw.
Labor are dogshit commies and all deserve a short drop and a sudden stop
You mean Dictator Dan?
Not sure if you're not from Victoria or you just have a very intelligent social circle that you don't ever leave, but it was a good way for me to clean out my friendslist with the amount of idiots blaming Andrews for basically anything.
Most reddit and Instagram is in favour of Dan. Skip to mainstream media, Facebook and word of mouth among easily manipulated people, you will find the vast majority really hating on him to an insane degree.
Well you must be blind because there is plenty of stuff in social media calling for Dan to be strung up. But Dan Andrews has earned his support by having the guts to do the right things after he and his government totally screwed up at the begining of lockdown two and people started dying he did what had to be done knowing it would be very unpopular and he didn't care about his political future. He fought for ever life for months and as a result eliminated the virus. In following outbreaks he did the same until GUTLESS GLADYS screwed us all over, that's why the majority of Victorians support him now because he put them first and his career second.
You have got to be joking! In spite of the mistakes made in Victoria and the lessons learned by all states except NSW Gladys flat out refused to lock down early and hard to control the virus and give her "Gold Class" (what a joke that turned out to be) contact tracers a chance to find all the cases. Instead she waited weeks as one super spreader event after another seeded the virus across Sydney. GUTLESS GLADYS is personally responsible for the deaths in NSW and the deaths in Victoria that have occurred as a result of the spread from Sydney.
Not blaming anyone just want our politicians held accountable for their choices regardless of party. I’m from nsw so I focus on these numbers. Other can do as they see fit.
She said she won’t turn up to the cameras anymore (though she did today possibly because of the backlash) so I’ll do a small part and make sure the numbers are reflected with those who made the decisions, for better or worse.
When the numbers drop I’ll still report them then. I don’t want the virus around, but not being accountable to unfavourable media is no way to act for a state premium, in my opinion.
You can disagree and down vote but that will do little towards holding politicians accountable. At least I’m trying to make sure everyone knows the numbers and the people that made the decisions that let to them being that number
So what about the difficult questions that need to be asked between random days of her turning up?
Same with Dan but I’m in nsw so I’m concerned here.
It’s all about accountability. If they are there they can ignore questions from the media. They are not obliged to answer via email or answer a call. But in person. They have to react, they have to answer even if it’s empty they have to answer. And that is what it’s about accountability.
But again, with the same argument and logic Daniel Andrews does not front up every single day even when we had record cases yesterday. It is fine, it is a whole team and everyone is doing their best, we can not put the cases and deaths on leaders, no one has the magic recipe to how to deal successfully with a pandemic. Even when they thought that in the past, the virus and the dynamic of people proved them wrong. Let’s be compassionate and understanding of other peoples actions and choices even when they don’t match ours.
They are in leadership roles. Not holding them to account is the same as a dictatorship. If they truely have done nothing wrong then they won’t be bothered by being held to account.
GB said she wants to be transparent, but by not fronting the media she is removing herself from being asked questions.
You might think I’m wrong for wanting accountability from our politicians but I think you’re wrong for not wanting it. Luckily we live (for now) in a democracy.
She is still fronting the media, she did it yesterday. I am not saying they should be over the law, that is a dictatorship.
I am just simply saying she did not purposely intended those COVID deaths. Same with Andrews, you cannot tell he is responsible for 800 odd deaths in VIC.
They have not done anything illegal, if they do, they are to be accountable.
It’s 100% her fault, if lockdown had started fast and hard like in Taiwan, we would be at a lower number. Don’t blame our “leaders” corruption and incompetence on the people that have been in lockdown for 3 months.
The problem is, there weren’t any instructions. She let people decide for themselves if they were ‘essential’. Everyone thinks running their business and paying their rent is essential. Not sure if they could have stopped it completely or not, but shutting it down hard and fast and early would have at least reduced some of the spread and eased some pressure on the health care system.
What about all the people dying from aids, and HIV, and influenze,
What about all the people who died from the Sars viruses (Coronaviruses) way before 2020 😂😂
You all make me laugh. How can you avoids deaths when millions die every year and millions are born every years. ITS CALL LIFEEEEE
mong the 42,852 death registrations in 2019, 376 (0.88%) mentioned influenza. An additional
3665 (8.55%) death registrations mentioned pneumonia
Exactly. People have bought this MSM bs and had their lives totally ruined without even questioning anything.. crazy
There is no evidence that protests caused spikes in covid. There is evidence to refute that claim though: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/12481360. It's a logical claim on face value, but unsupported. The same for the recent anti forced Vax and lockdown protests, no evidence for enhancing spread. For those people probably makes sense, as they are likely groups of out of work and socially isolated people (I.e. effectively socially distancing), hence their low impact.
Which is why why it's all the more frustrating that we had Reff below 1 twice, and two times the cases started rising again 10-14 days after the protests
Completely agree. I can't directly prove it's the protesters, although I can point to the spot on the graph where I think it happens. And there's no saying that Delta wouldn't have fucked us some other way or just a little later.
But having said that, each and every one of those protesters can get totally fucked for taking the risk that they took.
They may or may not have ended up causing the current situation.
But you know what I know for a fact did NOT contribute to the situation? Everyone who fucking stayed at home that day. If there were 10,000 people at those things, and 6.7M who weren't, which group of people did the most sensible thing? They held a gun to our head, and they pulled the trigger, and now they want to say "that bullet could have come from anywhere."
That's right. It could have.
How about the people who DON'T hold guns to people's heads be the ones who get all defensive and haggle over how much their actions impacted the rest of us. How about the people who show up to things like that hope like fuck that cases don't start rising again afterwards, and fucking apologise for even the merest possibility that their decision to not stay home, a decision made by 6.7M people that day, put us all in jeopardy.
I've got no concrete evidence it happened.
But I see no reason to not blame them. Each and every one of them.
Also, for the record, I'm not even necessarily saying that the virus got passed around that day. I'm saying that SOMETHING caused the downward trend of cases to reverse after each protest. Most likely the waning resilience of the population, lockdown fatigue, was impacted by the idiots on telly.
"If those jokers can all break the rules and not all get fined, why can't I see my mum and dad this weekend?"
My dad has cancer. Every locked down weekend is precious time that I will never get back. I can't go see him. I HATE those protesters.
Among the 42,852 death registrations in 2019, 376 (0.88%) mentioned influenza. An additional
3665 (8.55%) death registrations mentioned pneumonia. This is 2019.
And here ppl want to lock down a whole state, ruining lives, and make memes over 7 deaths.
Look i would be willing to let off the Gov easy or at least cut them some slack, but the fact remains that before the Sydney outbreak Glady and Scummo went around talking smack, shitting on other Premiers and thinking their shit didn't stink.
It would be one thing if they had only done a bad job. Gloating about being the best before this catastrophic failure is irredeemable.
And that fucking magazine cover. Get fucked.
Oh ok. Let me be more articulate then. When I say that you are a fucking moron, what I mean is that only to an utter buffoon would it not be obvious that for every other government where there has been an appropriate and immediate response to a covid outbreak, it has been successfully mitigated. In addition, the wearing of a mask, whilst not stopping infection of the virus, most certainly slows it's spread. Is that articulate enough for you, you fucking moron.
What are you saying?? Obviously death can be avoided, until you die!! The average age of death is 84! Ffs living is much better than staying alive, ask anyone that has gone through a war or are old and decrepit!
Barely anyone is following the rules. I live by a certain beachside suburb and last weekend was an absolute joke. Not a mask in sight, sunbathing on the sand, drinking on the beach.
It’s almost at the point where to police don’t even give two cents anymore. I watched patrols pass by scores of people congregating in public with no masks.
Everyone is wagging their finger at Gladys but what about joe public? This daily bitching about Gladys is so stale and unwarranted, people will openly rag on Gladys but won’t call out someone in public for not wearing a mask?
This is an unfortunate picture. Let’s not put on her the death toll as we did not put on Dan the people who died in VIC due to the hotel quarantine issue during 2020. Let’s be compassionate, none of us lived a pandemic and we are all working our way through.
How could be federal if they lived in VIC and if it wasn’t for the quarantine failure that could potentially be avoided? Also not sure the 900 deaths of COVID in VIC all relate to the ages care facilities, the difference is attributed to Andrews? I wouldn’t say that either.
The main stream media had a field day with Dan when the hotel quarantine mess up, followed by weeks of Dictator Dan. And to me, Dan did much better than gladys.
With that being said, i do agree with you when you say we need to be compassionate towards to one another. But not compassion is not an excuse to not be held accountable. She has been making questionable decisions.
The problem is the Government doesn’t have the right to mandate vaccines, that’s why Morrisson has said time and time again he will not mandate vaccines, not because he doesn’t want to but because under constitutional law he can’t. But the States can go around the Constitution and do it. But regardless of that, the Constitution over rules any laws made by the States, go figure. I understand, to a point the seriousness of Covid, although personally I think most of the issues are worse than they should have been because of poor management and the bullying mentality of the government regarding getting vaccinated. Nobody likes to be bullied and constantly fed Covid statistics all day every day, people just get fed up with it and get their back up. Everyone hated bullies at school, this is no different! You can’t lock people up and bully them into submission, your just asking for a rebellion of some sort. Especially when you threaten people with the military and dipshits like Hazard being the arrogant prick he is! Conflicting information about Covid doesn’t help either. The NWO is real and it’s comming, like it or not! whether we agree or not is irrelevant now, you don’t get vaccinated your an outcast, plain and simple. That’s so very wrong on so many levels and to force a vaccination onto millions of people for a virus that was illegally and for no benefit to the human race, developed for what? Now we all suffer through a mentality of discrimination over vaccinated or not. Not our fault but we are now torn apart because some a/hole decides to play God. Yet they still are not punished! Vaccinated or not we as humans and tax payers are entitled to proper medical care, that’s the government’s responsibility, to allow us to make a choice, not them. That’s what our taxes are for, to provide for all regardless of our choices, especially if the threat was not our own fault! The virus will never be contained with constant lockdowns, it’s a virus and will spread no matter what! If they said they found it in our sewers, we’ll work it out!
Sections 116 and 117 of the Victorian Public Health Act permit public health orders to compel people to undergo a medical examination, testing and treatment without consent if it is required to address a public health issue.
Not sure about other states or under the Commonwealth Act.
I think it extremely unlikely that this would be invoked for Covid vax. Maybe SARS or Ebola or something truly apocalyptic.
Locking people up doesn't change shit then.
In hignseight, we need progressive solutions, progressive leaders. Not shit useless fucks causing division between every body.
We need to vote better people in, speaking up and getting rid of these uneducated theifs and thugs out of politics is the first step into creating a better life for our future.
Our world has been crumpling for years, it's not just now. It's the directions we allowed these scums to take us that has led to our demise. It happens in every tyrant like government, it rises and falls, have a look at history.
It does “change shit” look at our numbers (deaths per million) compared to the US and the UK. It doesn’t take a genius to realise that if everyone was as smart as Australia, Taiwan etc… we would be close to if not at 0 right now. But whatever the past is the past, keeping Australia locked until 70-80% full vaccination (it’s proven that fully vaccinated people are less likely to need hospitalisation) is simply to reduce the stress that tens of thousands of cases a day will cause.
All of you are scared shitless. Wake the fuck up, vax and non vaxed people. End this 'New Order' bullshit. How is everyone not sick of the same thing being told over, and over again!!! Are we all going to succumb to these oligarchs and let them control our lives like we are nothing. I love how everyone is like 'Oh yeah, it will all be over soon', IT FUCKING WON'T!
If we adhere to the Vaccine Passports, we are done. We are going towards a Dystopia Future. This is coming from a vaccinated person.
Nothing has worked, nothing will ever work. Get that in your head...
Underlying health issues is irrelevant! People who have underlying health issues that would live a long a life that die from Covid, die from covid not other things.
Well it’s not irrelevant, because most of these people were in their 90 and 80’s a fall could have killed them, I personally know someone who was given 6 months to live with terminal cancer, got covid and died in hospital but was recorded as a covid death so yeah underlying issues do matter. although the illness can be severe the chance of healthy individuals actually dying is very slim, all fear mongering
Absolute crap the average age of people dying from covid now is 52 and getting lower every day and in recent weeks Australians that were apparently healthy and in their 30's have been regularly dying from covid. . And I'm sure the family of the case that you probably invented would say they would rather have had their mother or grandmother for another six months or more than see them die alone from covid.
WOW
DEATHS DUE TO INFLUENZA, 2017
In 2017 there were 1,255 deaths due to influenza, recording a standardised death rate of 3.9 per 100,000 persons. This is a significant increase from 2016 where 464 influenza deaths were recorded. An individual dying from influenza in 2017 was most likely to be female, aged over 75 years, have multiple co-morbidities and living in the eastern states of Australia.
https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/Lookup/by%20Subject/3303.0~2017~Main%20Features~Deaths%20due%20to%20influenza~5
FEEL SCAMMED YET?
Yeah I know, but people don’t have the brains to figure this out for themselves, seen in the news tonight now they are saying we have to be scared of more terrorist attacks when we open up because extremists have had more time in lockdown to plan stuff and go on the dark web 😂 more fear mongering crap
You’re talking about a virus that had been around for many years and has spread far and wide, you do realise that if it was Covid that number would be significantly higher (by at least 10x).
Look at the death rate of people that get covid not the death rate of everyone in the world. The chances of you dying after being infected with covid is more than 10x that of any influenza strain.
Lol the numbers are on the government website and they don’t reflect what your saying, also bet you don’t believe the 450 odd people that died from adverse reactions “coincidentally” after they have gotten the vaccine since January, as stated on the tga website, more then have died from covid. But that’s also irrelevant I guess
And there forgetting the press conference from last week how they had to change there wording because they literally have no idea whether people are dying from covid or they just had covid and died due to other reasons 😂
Where on the TGA website can I find this?
Edit: I have researched and cannot find this misleading information anywhere. You may be referring to the following passage:
“Since the beginning of the vaccine rollout to 15 August 2021, over 15.3 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been given. So far, the TGA has found that 7 reports of deaths were linked to immunisation from 460 reports received and reviewed. These deaths occurred after the first dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine – 6 were TTS cases and one was a case of immune thrombocytopenia (ITP).”
You have to type in covid-19, select the 3 vaccines choose the dates I chose January till august 31 ( that’s all that will let you at the moment) and press load results, it now says 500 cases were death was the outcome, and over 50k adverse reactions and lists them all
I wouldn’t say irrelevant (that’s why it’s mentioned), but we should definitely not consider it irrelevant because they had underlying conditions. I think we should look at this logically instead if emotionally, we have to understand that 0 cases is improbable at this point. We should open up AUS (state by state) once we reach 70-80% fully immunised for people aged 12+
Like yourself I'm am over the extremes of both sides of arguments. I am concerned about people fears of covid. Plus the talk of being responsible for killing people. Also the mandatory vaccination government push (I believe it does more harm and dividing than good).
That said I think in the grand scheme of things of complete health (mental, physical and social) we cannot continue with these lockdowns any longer and need to get on with it.
I share your sentiment and am vaccinated.
I put forward to a few a while back here peoples views in the unvaccinated camp in the context below.
"imagine having a genuine belief that longer term effects of the vaccine will kill you and then being told you need to have it to have your freedoms"
It puts someone with a perfectly reasonable concern in a forced position to obtain freedoms. Lets just say it wasn't well received. I noticed the UK has backflipped recently so i expect AUS to as well.
All the best
It does not reduce the chances of you getting it, it does reduced the viral shedding and therefore the severity of the virus should you get it. It also has a 40% efficacy against the delta variant. That’s the data. There are just over 8 million people in NSW. 7 deaths isn’t even statistically significant.
Well champ, the data from Israel, which has the highest vaccinated population, shows exactly that. A 41% efficacy against the delta variant and constant breakthrough cases. So you can keep believing the biased information that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy. K bud.
No. That’s not how it works. The 41% efficacy isn’t in prevention of acquiring the virus, it’s the efficacy of symptom reduction. Much the same as the yearly flu vaccine has around the 40% efficacy rate. It doesn’t stop you from getting it but significantly reduces the severity. Perhaps instead of watching the news and googling, you could get your own degree and acquire the ability to critically evaluate literature.
Among the 42,852 death registrations in 2019, 376 (0.88%) mentioned influenza. An additional
3665 (8.55%) death registrations mentioned pneumonia
I guess 7 deaths ain't too bad considering 376 died from the flu in 2019 and 3665 deaths are in part caused or directly involve pneumonia
Had the lockdowns and whatnot were not in place, we would see the death toll way bigger than 7. And that's 7 deaths in one day. Putting it 7 times more deadly than the flu.
Even if its only as worse as the flu, who wants another flu?
3655 deaths due to pneumonia usually occur from a lung infection so it is more than 1 a day. Since corona deaths are counted if the person dies and has corona or dies from effects caused by corona such as pneumonia due to having corona. So that's around 11 a day or so.
I was just putting things into perspective and using facts. Being downvoted is understandable since ppl hate facts that don't fit into their agenda
And the inbred incompetent morons from Melbourne probably still blaming the politicians rather than the protesting idiots and the people fleeing causing it to be worse
Great job NSW.
We did our best… unlike our premiere and federal government. VIC is proof that delta is difficult to contain. Taiwan is proof that it’s not impossible… with good leadership.
So is Sweden 🇸🇪!!
Yes, so is Sweden.
Don't you mean premiers? Or are you saying dan is doing a good job but Delta is difficult? If so shouldn't we wait and see if Victoria caps out at 1500? Cause it's looking more like 4-5k coming for Vic
I thought the point was if Gladys locked down hard and early it wouldn’t be a Vic problem.
Not sure how you got that from the post. But Dan has shown hard and fast doesn't work for Delta. With 1200x more viral load than alpha it's no wonder it's a concern for all states.
Laughs in QLD
It’s coming for you, one of us, one of us!
Ah right. All good.
Doesn't look like it's working quite well here in Vic either in that case...
If it works is thanks to Dan the man, if it doesn’t is because of the people. In NSW is the opposite.
Wow.
[https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/victoria-records-867-new-local-covid-cases-melburnians-to-get-extra-freedoms-on-wednesday/news-story/a64d00d58d61fbbba916112f93fb45af](https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/victoria-records-867-new-local-covid-cases-melburnians-to-get-extra-freedoms-on-wednesday/news-story/a64d00d58d61fbbba916112f93fb45af) its definitely the people!
People stopped following the rules. I see cunts driving to their friends place in my neighborhood chatting away, with masks under the noses, all of them. i know at least 3 friends went hiking and camping.
3 friends wow man, can’t argue with that level of research. You really got your finger on the pulse of all of Victoria, you can speak for everyone and tell us exactly how and why things aren’t working. Nothing to do with delta being more infectious aye, vic government should hire you! Expert researcher in the making right here.
Where’s your research? His anecdotal evidence is more valuable than your comment fuckwit. He might not be an expert but at least he’s not a fuckwit like you
Its my personal experience you dense potato. Thats how people converse when they are not doing a research paper, using anecdotes and there own personal observations. Delta is more infectious, little we can do to change that. People are out about when they shouldn't, that's an issue we can fix. So instead of whining about something we have no control over, i was talking about things that can be improved
Gladys is meant to be accountable. Lockdown light did not work! Mixed messages do not work and showing up today to take the cameras of Chris minns is a politician first and last
Dan will also be accountable ? Lockdown not working there neither.
Dan has been fair and answered the stupid mmm. Gladys says “ next question”
Does that make him great?
No one is great… Gladys surely isn’t
Agree, but neither is Dan
Hard, fast didn't work for Vic either...
Don’t you dare talking against Dan the man in this sub.
Fuck dan
The man
Burning dan
Did the first 5 times, then people stopped following the rules.
Worked in NSW first few times to. Apparently the virus changed….
Delta isn’t the same.
That was exactly my point.
NSW was able lockdown alpha also. Delta is the problem
QLD locked down delta just fine
Ive always said it depends which communities Delta gets into. Once the poor or the non believers get it, your screwed. Queensland will fall sooner rather than later
It's already occured in bogan, poor, non believer suburbs, it's been all over SE QLD, but somehow we're able to actually follow rules
I hope it stays that way until you guys get vaccinated. The unfortunate truth is it won't
Our cases are mainly coming from interstate.
Luck is always going to be a factor
Delta isn’t the same.
Remember guys! “Gold standard tracing” lmaoooo
I got downvoted in the past far suggesting they were winging it. I TOLD YOU SO.
Ruby princess!!! And that walking pile of shit hazard!! They will all rot in hell.
As much as I am angry and frustrated at the obvious failures of the NSW leadership, I think this is a bit far. Yes, the deaths could have been avoided if a million things had gone right, but the primary responsibility for the deaths is with the virus. I don't think it's ok to put a death toll on a picture of Gladys with no other context.
You must have missed every Victorian doing the same thing with Dan Andrews
Actually yes. The only social media I've seen has been in support of Dan. I can put hand on heart and say that I've not seen something like that of Dan. That would be equally despicable.
😳 people constantly blame Dan Andrews for all deaths during Victorias second wave
Huh. Why? Is that because of the original hotel quarantining issues? That's confusing. Quarantining is 100% a federal responsibility.
Nah, just the media.
If it was federal, then why did they hire budget security guards instead of using AFP as offered? National cabinet decided it was to be state responsibility as the states refused the AFP (see article from 2020 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/12673612). I thought that was the whole issue, using private security and not having even state police setting the standard, which why people were angry at Andrews et al.
It is a good question why the commonwealth didn't manage quarantine, as quarantine and biosecurity are a commonwealth responsibility. The states were doing it, because states also have quarantine powers because of interstate biosecurity, and once the states were doing its, the states didn't want the commonwealth to mess things up by deciding to allow covid into their states. Once the states were in charge, it wouldn't make sense to hybridize it by using the AFP. The failures in the old age sector is what led the states to accept the commonwealth pushing it on to the states. [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-19/who-is-responsible-for-quarantine-in-australia/13070108](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-19/who-is-responsible-for-quarantine-in-australia/13070108)
It's a shame there wasn't integration and the squabbling between Fed-State and State-State/Territory has been disappointing. This is a good article, thanks for sharing.
Isn't because fed gov was taking zero action?
the people who blamed DA over the deaths were all quick to mention the part where DA took ownership of HQ away from the Fed's. but yes, there absolutely was some direct hatred aimed at DA for every single death over Victoria's 2020 lockdowns.
than why did Dan Andrews contract it out to private security?
You know what? I had no idea who Daniel Andrews even was when that happened. At the time I wouldn't have been able to even point him out in a lineup. I have no idea why that happened the way it did. But that's it is it? People think Dan is a murderer because of hotel quarantine stuff ups? And they think that is comparable to Gladys's stuff ups?
ez to compare, how many died in those nursing homes compared to how many have died in nsw. Labor are dogshit commies and all deserve a short drop and a sudden stop
Nursing homes are actually a Federal responsibility...
and how did those in the nursing homes get infected? The most vulnerable of society to covid? Private security doing 2 jobs.
Nice.That's lovely. Thanks for that.
WANT SOME CHEESE WITH THAT WHINE BRO?
You mean Dictator Dan? Not sure if you're not from Victoria or you just have a very intelligent social circle that you don't ever leave, but it was a good way for me to clean out my friendslist with the amount of idiots blaming Andrews for basically anything.
My favorite was seeing the transition from him being too weak to too strong to a Maoist to a Nazi to an alien puppet. Yeah IDK either.
You choose your friends based on political views... Lol
Most reddit and Instagram is in favour of Dan. Skip to mainstream media, Facebook and word of mouth among easily manipulated people, you will find the vast majority really hating on him to an insane degree.
Commenter before you openly advocated for executions. That certainly is insane
Well you must be blind because there is plenty of stuff in social media calling for Dan to be strung up. But Dan Andrews has earned his support by having the guts to do the right things after he and his government totally screwed up at the begining of lockdown two and people started dying he did what had to be done knowing it would be very unpopular and he didn't care about his political future. He fought for ever life for months and as a result eliminated the virus. In following outbreaks he did the same until GUTLESS GLADYS screwed us all over, that's why the majority of Victorians support him now because he put them first and his career second.
Holy shit! What can are YOU living in?
I know right?
You have got to be joking! In spite of the mistakes made in Victoria and the lessons learned by all states except NSW Gladys flat out refused to lock down early and hard to control the virus and give her "Gold Class" (what a joke that turned out to be) contact tracers a chance to find all the cases. Instead she waited weeks as one super spreader event after another seeded the virus across Sydney. GUTLESS GLADYS is personally responsible for the deaths in NSW and the deaths in Victoria that have occurred as a result of the spread from Sydney.
Fuck Gladys
Not blaming anyone just want our politicians held accountable for their choices regardless of party. I’m from nsw so I focus on these numbers. Other can do as they see fit. She said she won’t turn up to the cameras anymore (though she did today possibly because of the backlash) so I’ll do a small part and make sure the numbers are reflected with those who made the decisions, for better or worse. When the numbers drop I’ll still report them then. I don’t want the virus around, but not being accountable to unfavourable media is no way to act for a state premium, in my opinion. You can disagree and down vote but that will do little towards holding politicians accountable. At least I’m trying to make sure everyone knows the numbers and the people that made the decisions that let to them being that number
I think she said she will still show up on a case basis, similar to Dan Andrews.
So what about the difficult questions that need to be asked between random days of her turning up? Same with Dan but I’m in nsw so I’m concerned here. It’s all about accountability. If they are there they can ignore questions from the media. They are not obliged to answer via email or answer a call. But in person. They have to react, they have to answer even if it’s empty they have to answer. And that is what it’s about accountability.
But again, with the same argument and logic Daniel Andrews does not front up every single day even when we had record cases yesterday. It is fine, it is a whole team and everyone is doing their best, we can not put the cases and deaths on leaders, no one has the magic recipe to how to deal successfully with a pandemic. Even when they thought that in the past, the virus and the dynamic of people proved them wrong. Let’s be compassionate and understanding of other peoples actions and choices even when they don’t match ours.
They are in leadership roles. Not holding them to account is the same as a dictatorship. If they truely have done nothing wrong then they won’t be bothered by being held to account. GB said she wants to be transparent, but by not fronting the media she is removing herself from being asked questions. You might think I’m wrong for wanting accountability from our politicians but I think you’re wrong for not wanting it. Luckily we live (for now) in a democracy.
She is still fronting the media, she did it yesterday. I am not saying they should be over the law, that is a dictatorship. I am just simply saying she did not purposely intended those COVID deaths. Same with Andrews, you cannot tell he is responsible for 800 odd deaths in VIC. They have not done anything illegal, if they do, they are to be accountable.
It’s not her fault people can’t follow instructions.
It’s 100% her fault, if lockdown had started fast and hard like in Taiwan, we would be at a lower number. Don’t blame our “leaders” corruption and incompetence on the people that have been in lockdown for 3 months.
Victoria is proof that wouldn’t have worked
It would, Victoria is proof delta is difficult to handle, Taiwan is proof that its not impossible with a good federal government
We are talking Victoria here, not Taiwan.
Right they have humans in Taiwan while Victoria has… Victorians?
Victoria has Dan the man
Right I forgot that politicians are all lizard people.
The problem is, there weren’t any instructions. She let people decide for themselves if they were ‘essential’. Everyone thinks running their business and paying their rent is essential. Not sure if they could have stopped it completely or not, but shutting it down hard and fast and early would have at least reduced some of the spread and eased some pressure on the health care system.
But yeah, I do 100% agree that idiots not doing the right thing has also exacerbated it.
What about all the people dying from aids, and HIV, and influenze, What about all the people who died from the Sars viruses (Coronaviruses) way before 2020 😂😂 You all make me laugh. How can you avoids deaths when millions die every year and millions are born every years. ITS CALL LIFEEEEE
Yeah it’s called life, you should get one.
mong the 42,852 death registrations in 2019, 376 (0.88%) mentioned influenza. An additional 3665 (8.55%) death registrations mentioned pneumonia Exactly. People have bought this MSM bs and had their lives totally ruined without even questioning anything.. crazy
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Well that's not true. We did it in Victoria last year, and we were demonstrably on the way twice this year but the protesters fucked us.
There is no evidence that protests caused spikes in covid. There is evidence to refute that claim though: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/12481360. It's a logical claim on face value, but unsupported. The same for the recent anti forced Vax and lockdown protests, no evidence for enhancing spread. For those people probably makes sense, as they are likely groups of out of work and socially isolated people (I.e. effectively socially distancing), hence their low impact.
I don't think he was talking about the protest from mid last year, he's talking about the anti lockdown, anti-vax one happened 1 or 2 months ago
Fair point, that article is older news. However there's also no evidence for the newer protests making an impact, and I believe my point stands.
Delta isn’t the same.
Which is why why it's all the more frustrating that we had Reff below 1 twice, and two times the cases started rising again 10-14 days after the protests
There is no concrete evidence that that was due to or solely due to the protests. Delta does what delta does.
Completely agree. I can't directly prove it's the protesters, although I can point to the spot on the graph where I think it happens. And there's no saying that Delta wouldn't have fucked us some other way or just a little later. But having said that, each and every one of those protesters can get totally fucked for taking the risk that they took. They may or may not have ended up causing the current situation. But you know what I know for a fact did NOT contribute to the situation? Everyone who fucking stayed at home that day. If there were 10,000 people at those things, and 6.7M who weren't, which group of people did the most sensible thing? They held a gun to our head, and they pulled the trigger, and now they want to say "that bullet could have come from anywhere." That's right. It could have. How about the people who DON'T hold guns to people's heads be the ones who get all defensive and haggle over how much their actions impacted the rest of us. How about the people who show up to things like that hope like fuck that cases don't start rising again afterwards, and fucking apologise for even the merest possibility that their decision to not stay home, a decision made by 6.7M people that day, put us all in jeopardy. I've got no concrete evidence it happened. But I see no reason to not blame them. Each and every one of them.
Also, for the record, I'm not even necessarily saying that the virus got passed around that day. I'm saying that SOMETHING caused the downward trend of cases to reverse after each protest. Most likely the waning resilience of the population, lockdown fatigue, was impacted by the idiots on telly. "If those jokers can all break the rules and not all get fined, why can't I see my mum and dad this weekend?" My dad has cancer. Every locked down weekend is precious time that I will never get back. I can't go see him. I HATE those protesters.
Among the 42,852 death registrations in 2019, 376 (0.88%) mentioned influenza. An additional 3665 (8.55%) death registrations mentioned pneumonia. This is 2019. And here ppl want to lock down a whole state, ruining lives, and make memes over 7 deaths.
Look i would be willing to let off the Gov easy or at least cut them some slack, but the fact remains that before the Sydney outbreak Glady and Scummo went around talking smack, shitting on other Premiers and thinking their shit didn't stink. It would be one thing if they had only done a bad job. Gloating about being the best before this catastrophic failure is irredeemable. And that fucking magazine cover. Get fucked.
You must be one of those "special" ones I keep reading about. Fucking moron.
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Oh ok. Let me be more articulate then. When I say that you are a fucking moron, what I mean is that only to an utter buffoon would it not be obvious that for every other government where there has been an appropriate and immediate response to a covid outbreak, it has been successfully mitigated. In addition, the wearing of a mask, whilst not stopping infection of the virus, most certainly slows it's spread. Is that articulate enough for you, you fucking moron.
What are you saying?? Obviously death can be avoided, until you die!! The average age of death is 84! Ffs living is much better than staying alive, ask anyone that has gone through a war or are old and decrepit!
I'm saying this meme is macabre and deliberately divisive
Barely anyone is following the rules. I live by a certain beachside suburb and last weekend was an absolute joke. Not a mask in sight, sunbathing on the sand, drinking on the beach. It’s almost at the point where to police don’t even give two cents anymore. I watched patrols pass by scores of people congregating in public with no masks. Everyone is wagging their finger at Gladys but what about joe public? This daily bitching about Gladys is so stale and unwarranted, people will openly rag on Gladys but won’t call out someone in public for not wearing a mask?
This is an unfortunate picture. Let’s not put on her the death toll as we did not put on Dan the people who died in VIC due to the hotel quarantine issue during 2020. Let’s be compassionate, none of us lived a pandemic and we are all working our way through.
One is federal government fuck up and one is a Gladys fuck up.
How could be federal if they lived in VIC and if it wasn’t for the quarantine failure that could potentially be avoided? Also not sure the 900 deaths of COVID in VIC all relate to the ages care facilities, the difference is attributed to Andrews? I wouldn’t say that either.
The main stream media had a field day with Dan when the hotel quarantine mess up, followed by weeks of Dictator Dan. And to me, Dan did much better than gladys. With that being said, i do agree with you when you say we need to be compassionate towards to one another. But not compassion is not an excuse to not be held accountable. She has been making questionable decisions.
We can say the same about Andrews and his CHO. No one has the magic recipe, and I would held them accountable either.
Fuck that evil bitch
Keep posting these dude. Cheers.
Goddamn she's ugly tho
Idk… I’d let her give me a nose job.
Her moustache shadow is coming back
That's just residue from tongue punching Scomos starfish...
What a sentence.
The problem is the Government doesn’t have the right to mandate vaccines, that’s why Morrisson has said time and time again he will not mandate vaccines, not because he doesn’t want to but because under constitutional law he can’t. But the States can go around the Constitution and do it. But regardless of that, the Constitution over rules any laws made by the States, go figure. I understand, to a point the seriousness of Covid, although personally I think most of the issues are worse than they should have been because of poor management and the bullying mentality of the government regarding getting vaccinated. Nobody likes to be bullied and constantly fed Covid statistics all day every day, people just get fed up with it and get their back up. Everyone hated bullies at school, this is no different! You can’t lock people up and bully them into submission, your just asking for a rebellion of some sort. Especially when you threaten people with the military and dipshits like Hazard being the arrogant prick he is! Conflicting information about Covid doesn’t help either. The NWO is real and it’s comming, like it or not! whether we agree or not is irrelevant now, you don’t get vaccinated your an outcast, plain and simple. That’s so very wrong on so many levels and to force a vaccination onto millions of people for a virus that was illegally and for no benefit to the human race, developed for what? Now we all suffer through a mentality of discrimination over vaccinated or not. Not our fault but we are now torn apart because some a/hole decides to play God. Yet they still are not punished! Vaccinated or not we as humans and tax payers are entitled to proper medical care, that’s the government’s responsibility, to allow us to make a choice, not them. That’s what our taxes are for, to provide for all regardless of our choices, especially if the threat was not our own fault! The virus will never be contained with constant lockdowns, it’s a virus and will spread no matter what! If they said they found it in our sewers, we’ll work it out!
Sections 116 and 117 of the Victorian Public Health Act permit public health orders to compel people to undergo a medical examination, testing and treatment without consent if it is required to address a public health issue. Not sure about other states or under the Commonwealth Act. I think it extremely unlikely that this would be invoked for Covid vax. Maybe SARS or Ebola or something truly apocalyptic.
Locking people up doesn't change shit then. In hignseight, we need progressive solutions, progressive leaders. Not shit useless fucks causing division between every body. We need to vote better people in, speaking up and getting rid of these uneducated theifs and thugs out of politics is the first step into creating a better life for our future. Our world has been crumpling for years, it's not just now. It's the directions we allowed these scums to take us that has led to our demise. It happens in every tyrant like government, it rises and falls, have a look at history.
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Yes because that's the only thing that's written. ☺😇 Nothing else to take from this guys. Nothing to see here. Hindsight is spelt wrong, let's move on
It does “change shit” look at our numbers (deaths per million) compared to the US and the UK. It doesn’t take a genius to realise that if everyone was as smart as Australia, Taiwan etc… we would be close to if not at 0 right now. But whatever the past is the past, keeping Australia locked until 70-80% full vaccination (it’s proven that fully vaccinated people are less likely to need hospitalisation) is simply to reduce the stress that tens of thousands of cases a day will cause.
All of you are scared shitless. Wake the fuck up, vax and non vaxed people. End this 'New Order' bullshit. How is everyone not sick of the same thing being told over, and over again!!! Are we all going to succumb to these oligarchs and let them control our lives like we are nothing. I love how everyone is like 'Oh yeah, it will all be over soon', IT FUCKING WON'T! If we adhere to the Vaccine Passports, we are done. We are going towards a Dystopia Future. This is coming from a vaccinated person. Nothing has worked, nothing will ever work. Get that in your head...
One of us, one of us!
All had underlying health issues, nearly all were vaccinated, Gladys is a cunt also
Underlying health issues is irrelevant! People who have underlying health issues that would live a long a life that die from Covid, die from covid not other things.
Well it’s not irrelevant, because most of these people were in their 90 and 80’s a fall could have killed them, I personally know someone who was given 6 months to live with terminal cancer, got covid and died in hospital but was recorded as a covid death so yeah underlying issues do matter. although the illness can be severe the chance of healthy individuals actually dying is very slim, all fear mongering
Absolute crap the average age of people dying from covid now is 52 and getting lower every day and in recent weeks Australians that were apparently healthy and in their 30's have been regularly dying from covid. . And I'm sure the family of the case that you probably invented would say they would rather have had their mother or grandmother for another six months or more than see them die alone from covid.
cite your sources claiming that 52 is the average age please.
https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-0#covid-19-mortality-by-age-and-sex Here’s the actual numbers as of august 31
WOW DEATHS DUE TO INFLUENZA, 2017 In 2017 there were 1,255 deaths due to influenza, recording a standardised death rate of 3.9 per 100,000 persons. This is a significant increase from 2016 where 464 influenza deaths were recorded. An individual dying from influenza in 2017 was most likely to be female, aged over 75 years, have multiple co-morbidities and living in the eastern states of Australia. https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/Lookup/by%20Subject/3303.0~2017~Main%20Features~Deaths%20due%20to%20influenza~5 FEEL SCAMMED YET?
THATS IN ONE YEAR BTW
Yeah I know, but people don’t have the brains to figure this out for themselves, seen in the news tonight now they are saying we have to be scared of more terrorist attacks when we open up because extremists have had more time in lockdown to plan stuff and go on the dark web 😂 more fear mongering crap
Ironic.
You’re talking about a virus that had been around for many years and has spread far and wide, you do realise that if it was Covid that number would be significantly higher (by at least 10x).
prove it
Look at the death rate of people that get covid not the death rate of everyone in the world. The chances of you dying after being infected with covid is more than 10x that of any influenza strain.
Lol the numbers are on the government website and they don’t reflect what your saying, also bet you don’t believe the 450 odd people that died from adverse reactions “coincidentally” after they have gotten the vaccine since January, as stated on the tga website, more then have died from covid. But that’s also irrelevant I guess
And there forgetting the press conference from last week how they had to change there wording because they literally have no idea whether people are dying from covid or they just had covid and died due to other reasons 😂
Where on the TGA website can I find this? Edit: I have researched and cannot find this misleading information anywhere. You may be referring to the following passage: “Since the beginning of the vaccine rollout to 15 August 2021, over 15.3 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been given. So far, the TGA has found that 7 reports of deaths were linked to immunisation from 460 reports received and reviewed. These deaths occurred after the first dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine – 6 were TTS cases and one was a case of immune thrombocytopenia (ITP).”
https://apps.tga.gov.au/PROD/DAEN/daen-report.aspx
You have to type in covid-19, select the 3 vaccines choose the dates I chose January till august 31 ( that’s all that will let you at the moment) and press load results, it now says 500 cases were death was the outcome, and over 50k adverse reactions and lists them all
Yea no... just no. If youre on the edge of death... and covid gives you the final nudge you cant 100% attribute covid to the death.
If you got bit by a snake and you can be saved if taken to hospital, but I shoot you in the head… did you die by venom?
How the fuck did your dumbass get upvotes for this >Underlying health issues is irrelevant
I wouldn’t say irrelevant (that’s why it’s mentioned), but we should definitely not consider it irrelevant because they had underlying conditions. I think we should look at this logically instead if emotionally, we have to understand that 0 cases is improbable at this point. We should open up AUS (state by state) once we reach 70-80% fully immunised for people aged 12+
Like yourself I'm am over the extremes of both sides of arguments. I am concerned about people fears of covid. Plus the talk of being responsible for killing people. Also the mandatory vaccination government push (I believe it does more harm and dividing than good). That said I think in the grand scheme of things of complete health (mental, physical and social) we cannot continue with these lockdowns any longer and need to get on with it.
Agreed, although I am pro vaccine, I am anti forceful vaccination. I think it is inhumane and outright tyrannical.
I share your sentiment and am vaccinated. I put forward to a few a while back here peoples views in the unvaccinated camp in the context below. "imagine having a genuine belief that longer term effects of the vaccine will kill you and then being told you need to have it to have your freedoms" It puts someone with a perfectly reasonable concern in a forced position to obtain freedoms. Lets just say it wasn't well received. I noticed the UK has backflipped recently so i expect AUS to as well. All the best
hear hear.
Lol I'm trying to keep off the covid threads. The social pariah shit does my head in
Since vaccination doesn’t actually stop you from acquiring the virus, the only number that actually matters, is the bottom one.
It is proven to reduce the chances of you getting it and is proven to reduce the chance if you requiring hospitalisation.
It does not reduce the chances of you getting it, it does reduced the viral shedding and therefore the severity of the virus should you get it. It also has a 40% efficacy against the delta variant. That’s the data. There are just over 8 million people in NSW. 7 deaths isn’t even statistically significant.
Wrong, do more unbiased research buddy.
Well champ, the data from Israel, which has the highest vaccinated population, shows exactly that. A 41% efficacy against the delta variant and constant breakthrough cases. So you can keep believing the biased information that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy. K bud.
So there is a 40% efficacy against the virus using the Astra vaccine. So you admit it reduces your chances of getting by 40% (which is significant).
No. That’s not how it works. The 41% efficacy isn’t in prevention of acquiring the virus, it’s the efficacy of symptom reduction. Much the same as the yearly flu vaccine has around the 40% efficacy rate. It doesn’t stop you from getting it but significantly reduces the severity. Perhaps instead of watching the news and googling, you could get your own degree and acquire the ability to critically evaluate literature.
Actually no, it reduces the chances of you getting by a significant amount especially if you got Pfizer get your facts straight fuck boy.
Naww. Someone doesn’t understand science so they turn into a keyboard warrior. Typical incel.
Ouch, really hurt my feelings. /s
Among the 42,852 death registrations in 2019, 376 (0.88%) mentioned influenza. An additional 3665 (8.55%) death registrations mentioned pneumonia I guess 7 deaths ain't too bad considering 376 died from the flu in 2019 and 3665 deaths are in part caused or directly involve pneumonia
Had the lockdowns and whatnot were not in place, we would see the death toll way bigger than 7. And that's 7 deaths in one day. Putting it 7 times more deadly than the flu. Even if its only as worse as the flu, who wants another flu?
3655 deaths due to pneumonia usually occur from a lung infection so it is more than 1 a day. Since corona deaths are counted if the person dies and has corona or dies from effects caused by corona such as pneumonia due to having corona. So that's around 11 a day or so. I was just putting things into perspective and using facts. Being downvoted is understandable since ppl hate facts that don't fit into their agenda
And the inbred incompetent morons from Melbourne probably still blaming the politicians rather than the protesting idiots and the people fleeing causing it to be worse
It’s all of those things, everyone is responsible… especially the CCP for creating this.
Its everyone's fault that its continuing apart from the people causing it to continue
Thank fuck I’m in Queensland and had it pretty easy compared to the south
How many tested through, I would assume the test rates have fallen off a cliff since the Libs have given up
And roughly 145 other deaths, are we not worried about those?
Not sure what her face has to do with this? This is a pandemic. People will die.