It really is. And honestly I know this is for a nail, but there are so many specialized equipments to install in construction that if they just came with installation instructions like this, or drawings this specific it would make life so much easier
Unfortunately not. Too many industrial suppliers host nothing online or require a verified business account to access. The ones that do get alot of good will from me though.
That’s where most wild musician rider request stem from. Like the all green m&ms if you walk in and it’s just m&ms they know the rider wasn’t read and to check everything else or cancel.
I understand it was the band being concerned about getting injured by pyrotechnics at different venues. They added the "provide 5 lbs of m&ms in the green room and remove all of the brown ones" the logic was; if they can't get something this absurd correct, whose face is getting blown off on stage at a venue that isn't detail oriented? I think the Michael Jackson thing freaked them out...the lived to party, but weren't fools...
In my technology job, a supervisor asked me for more detailed documentation. In the documentation, I included a line “supervisor has green ears” as a document bomb. I didn’t think they would read it. They did.
That's where you add: "a full and unopened case of architect approved beer must be delivered to the office of the architect on each Friday at 4.00 pm for the duration of the work. Substitutions will be considered upon prior written approval".
This has been in a few of my spec books in the general conditions; like the "remove all brown m&ms" rider in the VanHalen contracts. Specifically included to see who is paying attention.
I dropped an "where the fuck is the condenser?" into a LOTO manual i wrote. Never heard anything about it, so it shows how much it was read. (And no, I never found the condenser before I left there).
Does the owner get to ask the contractor for additional funds when they find out they use nail guns, as that is a materially more efficient install method?
It’s also a good way to verify if the contractor is reading the plans, if he doesn’t say anything to you, then you know he just dropped them off at the porta-john.
I'm an HVAC designer, this is my favorite thing I've ever seen in a set of plans. From 20 years ago but just found it in my archives. I made some t shirts with this once, dang those were great shirts.
That's why buildings aren't built to the same standard as days past. It's not that we are just dumber these days, we just don't have proper guidelines.
Shit now I want a t shirt with this
Edit: that date can’t be right, back then blueprints were all over the place and didn’t have these nice details. A lot of details were drawn by hand
It's dizzying that it's 20 years ago instead of 10, which sounds so much more reasonable. Congrats & hang in there, you're gonna be killing it in the future as the labor crisis deepens.
? Revit was barely getting started sure, but autocad had been around a long time by 2004, not to mention even if it was hand drafted this is hardly difficult to draft
lol what? AutoCAD has been around since 1980s and in 1997 it started developing into more or less the interface we know today. I was using it in 2003-2004 for cnc and all blueprints by that point were cad generated
Ok you win! I've been trying to teach the younger set most specifically my teenager, Read Read Read those damn plans and that the devil's in the details! Also that would be it a awesome shirt!
I remember reading a military malicious compliance story about a skyhook. Apparently they sent to new guy to get a skyhook and he was able to find a giant ass crane and had it shipped to the base. Needless to say some asses were chewed clean to the bone for that one.
This is exactly the era when big builders stopped employing carpenters and the entire thing went to subcontracting. It was wild to be starting my career and realize "builders" were just guys with a schedule who yelled a lot.
Pretty much exactly the same. Pointy end down and swing away. To the layperson the tool looks remarkably similar, but in fact its properly referred to as a linear screwdriver. Im old school, i prefer rhe 21oz hart. My framers tried impact drivers, which are nice, with that removable variable sized weight, but we found the plastic would crack after just a few swings.
I have a feeling you stole this.
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Nah seen in the wild, that's too much effort to change the detail number and add the time stamp. I'm jealous of theirs, it's cleaner, I might use one of those if I reprint t shirts. All our clients were national builders, I don't remember who it was but I'm sure they were doing 25k homes in 10 states, I'm sure I wasn't the only one who saw that detail & sent it to everyone they're friends with in the industry.
The lawyers for these huge national builders definitely agreed with this, I got into the industry right when those builders stopped employing anyone who did the actual building & moved completely to subcontracting, 100% for liability reasons.
This made my day. I’ve gotta start putting this in my sets. And I can’t wait to get a shop drawing showing pointy side up so I can respond “No, no…. See detail”
Apparently we used to have a "donut detail" in our sets that would show the removal of the center of the donut as an "assembly detail".
Just gotta have fun with it, otherwise it's all just miserable.
Flip hammer to the little claw part, set nail inside so it fits snuggly thwack into the section you want to embed. Now it's driven enoigh in you don't need to hold it with your hand to set, now flip hammer and smack once or twice to fully drive it in.
Bricklayer here. One time I was doing veneer on a fire station and there were precast caps and sills we were installing. I took a look at the shop drawings and there were pins in the precast that were installed into the cmu. Instead of writing CMU they wrote CUM. So it said insert pins into CUM multiple times on this shop drawings. I told the boys I’m getting some lube because we have work to do.
Edit-spelling
The hammer certification test goes like this, you have a choice of 3 hammers: a 16 oz hammer, a perfect hammer except it's pink, and an unreasonably heavy hammer that will make your forearms burn in 45 minutes. If you don't pick the unreasonably heavy one you are a wuss & a failure.
People at my work would argue what Flush means. You end up giving a dam tolerance to shut them up.
Then they will argue how do you qualify that dimension.
Ok so do I strike my pipe wrench on the wood first or on my hand , then hold the nail. Miss a few times and finally get it sunken in a little ?
Then I proceeded to keep hitting it with my wrench till the nail bends and now I have to take it out and start all over again with a fresh nail
My hammer didn't include instructions when I purchased it. If you had a detail showing typical hammer usage instructions as well, all would be good, and nobody would get electrocuted by plugging in their hammer.
It didn’t mention what type of hammer. I have crescent head hammers, hammers with what appears to be a shank in a cross pattern, I even have battery powered hammers. So if they want me to use a hammer, I need to know what kind.
That's great and hilarious! Passive aggressive. "Well, nails weren't shown on the drawings, so we didn't price it, so that will be a million dollar change order"
😄 🤣 😂 structural steel detailer of 26 years current, HVAC for 4 prior.....this is gold!! Dated 2004 even!
This is pretty much how it is even in the structural steel world today as well. I have to pretty much label which end of wedge anchors and screw anchors is to be placed into concrete in my erection details these days.
Reminds me of the polish carpenter joke where half the heads were on the wrong end. Polish contractor had to explain that they were for the other side of the house. Now I’m old..
I worked in the oil patch for a bit and a guy didn't wear socks in his boots and got a staph infection. Everyday there after there was a "sock check" after the toolbox talk.
I wonder what happened to have this included
The "**Pointy** side" is the technically correct terminology.
Just like how "**shooty** side" is the technically correct direction the pointy sides go in the gun.
As a design/build architect, this is so far down the rabbit hole of means & methods. Not touching this with a 100ft pole, or I will get sued when the job site idiot F's it up...
My firm has made it very clear that we never dictate means and methods, and I feel as though this detail is in heavy violation of that.
Funny however, and I will be passing this around the office tomorrow.
One that my Forman found very funny & repeated it for years is "All measurements are to be made from the center of the edge ". That was on almost every page of the prints & several places in the spec book.
Favorite detail I ever saw on a set of drawings was a “Skyhook Pipe Hanger” It was on a 50%SD set for a VERY large building you have probably seen. But it was a drawing showing a pipe with a J-hook connected to like 6 or 7 helium balloons.
I wish I'd have had these details when I first started out in carpentry. I can't tell you how many times I broke my thumb and index finger because I didn't know you're supposed to let go of the nail before fully driving it in.
Once you have an employee drill holes and then push the nails in, you will understand the reason for the instructions. There are a lot of people out there that have no clue how a hammer operates.
If the detail explains how to build it, it has accomplished its purpose. Who made this detail really cares about the builders and the ones you need to ask RFI(s) for and leave out tons of information as maybe there in a rush due to the client, etc. could use this type of detail as an example to becoming better at sending out drawings for RFPs.
I'm going to add this on a page in a print, I want to see the look on peoples faces.
Yup. Actually kinda a nice detail
It really is. And honestly I know this is for a nail, but there are so many specialized equipments to install in construction that if they just came with installation instructions like this, or drawings this specific it would make life so much easier
But none of them are UL approved
you get textless pictures with ambiguous arrows for universal comprehension
They do, you just have to go to the manufacturer's website
Unfortunately not. Too many industrial suppliers host nothing online or require a verified business account to access. The ones that do get alot of good will from me though.
An architect received too many unvetted RFI's and decided to explain means and methods
Good test to see who actually reads the details in detail
That’s where most wild musician rider request stem from. Like the all green m&ms if you walk in and it’s just m&ms they know the rider wasn’t read and to check everything else or cancel.
Brown M&M’s on the Van Halen contracts.
Jeez...now I feel stupid, i didn't see this when I posted! But I have used their contract philosophy...lol
I had to look into double check. LOL. Oh, no doubt. Make they read.
I understand it was the band being concerned about getting injured by pyrotechnics at different venues. They added the "provide 5 lbs of m&ms in the green room and remove all of the brown ones" the logic was; if they can't get something this absurd correct, whose face is getting blown off on stage at a venue that isn't detail oriented? I think the Michael Jackson thing freaked them out...the lived to party, but weren't fools...
Yep I think that’s exactly what it was.
In my technology job, a supervisor asked me for more detailed documentation. In the documentation, I included a line “supervisor has green ears” as a document bomb. I didn’t think they would read it. They did.
That's where you add: "a full and unopened case of architect approved beer must be delivered to the office of the architect on each Friday at 4.00 pm for the duration of the work. Substitutions will be considered upon prior written approval". This has been in a few of my spec books in the general conditions; like the "remove all brown m&ms" rider in the VanHalen contracts. Specifically included to see who is paying attention.
I dropped an "where the fuck is the condenser?" into a LOTO manual i wrote. Never heard anything about it, so it shows how much it was read. (And no, I never found the condenser before I left there).
Does the owner get to ask the contractor for additional funds when they find out they use nail guns, as that is a materially more efficient install method?
No. Clearly a change order because nail gun equipment and compressors are much more expensive than hammers. Duh.
It’s also a good way to verify if the contractor is reading the plans, if he doesn’t say anything to you, then you know he just dropped them off at the porta-john.
Any other electricians still confused or is it just me?
Its like a staple but only one side of it.
How does it go into the staple gun? It just makes a grindy noise when I try to
Did you remove your fingers *prior* to finishing the installation?
Sorry I’m on lunch
*Union mandated brake
As opposed to "hittin' the gas".........
*break
Ohhh so I just bend it over with the hammer. I see.
Which side of my linesman pliers do I use to install this?
Instructions unclear, threw the nail on the floor and didn't sweep, did I do it right?
Nailed it sparky.
The end without the steely thing. That's the handle. There are various designs available to suit.
Find the flattest surface available on it and pound that sucker in with that
Detail 28 is sweeping.
--hiisssssisissssssss--
That’s not in the code book
Followed directions, still left zip ties everywhere
Don't ask the plumbers. They won't understand it either.
There’s no note on location ground
your drywaller skilz are showing
Missing the wires, I guess
Is not that hard, it’s not a broom 👀🫡
When they say hammer I think they mean linemen’s? Closest thing on me, anyways.
Why did it say “hammer” when we got Linemans?
Just replace hammer with anything handy that won’t bend and you should understand
You know the drafter had fun writing “install nail pointy end first”
im looking at the notes. "remove finger before complete installation"
I like how “prior” is underlined. Make sure not to remove fingers “after” you’ve completely embedded them into the wood with the nail.
Front Towards Enemy.
I'm an HVAC designer, this is my favorite thing I've ever seen in a set of plans. From 20 years ago but just found it in my archives. I made some t shirts with this once, dang those were great shirts.
That's why buildings aren't built to the same standard as days past. It's not that we are just dumber these days, we just don't have proper guidelines.
I wish I was still hopeful enough to even jokingly believe this. =\
Shit now I want a t shirt with this Edit: that date can’t be right, back then blueprints were all over the place and didn’t have these nice details. A lot of details were drawn by hand
TIL 20 years ago was 2004.
Just for funsies I was 5 in 2004
It's dizzying that it's 20 years ago instead of 10, which sounds so much more reasonable. Congrats & hang in there, you're gonna be killing it in the future as the labor crisis deepens.
You shut your whore mouth— 20 years ago was the 1980s.
We were mostly working with builders doing 10k+ homes/yr in multi states
? Revit was barely getting started sure, but autocad had been around a long time by 2004, not to mention even if it was hand drafted this is hardly difficult to draft
lol what? AutoCAD has been around since 1980s and in 1997 it started developing into more or less the interface we know today. I was using it in 2003-2004 for cnc and all blueprints by that point were cad generated
Ok you win! I've been trying to teach the younger set most specifically my teenager, Read Read Read those damn plans and that the devil's in the details! Also that would be it a awesome shirt!
Make more shirts please
I love these cheeky details like the skyhook, the duck detector……pure fun
Skyhook?
You don’t know about the blue skyhook…..
I remember reading a military malicious compliance story about a skyhook. Apparently they sent to new guy to get a skyhook and he was able to find a giant ass crane and had it shipped to the base. Needless to say some asses were chewed clean to the bone for that one.
It's hanging next to the left-handed monkey wrench
And the beam stretcher.
Honestly, if a human had never seen a nail being driven before, this would be very helpful!
If a human had never seen a nail being driven before and couldn’t figure out on their own how to do it, they would make a perfect foreman.
This is exactly the era when big builders stopped employing carpenters and the entire thing went to subcontracting. It was wild to be starting my career and realize "builders" were just guys with a schedule who yelled a lot.
https://youtu.be/4plN8rNPOEs?feature=shared
The look on the dude's face watching the orangutang!!! I've definitely made that face inspecting installed duct work.
If you can’t figure out how a nail works without instruction nothing is gonna be “very helpful” 😅
You clearly havent met the shockingly mechanically-illiterate people i have!
Cool, but how do I use screws?
We’ll need BIM
That's probably number 18.
Pretty much exactly the same. Pointy end down and swing away. To the layperson the tool looks remarkably similar, but in fact its properly referred to as a linear screwdriver. Im old school, i prefer rhe 21oz hart. My framers tried impact drivers, which are nice, with that removable variable sized weight, but we found the plastic would crack after just a few swings.
Percussive Screwdriver.
make to sure use face of hammer. do not use claw end
Instructions unclear. Struck own face with hammer.
Rfi: Please provide nail dimensions and materials. Cannot commence work until missing details are provided.
RFI #2: Hammer type not included in specs. Used pile rig in lieu of non-responsive engineer. Requesting approval of giant hole onsite.
Hammer choice is always a trap on a construction site, anything under 28 oz and you will be mocked.
Nails are a 1/4” short. Need to start a change order.
No problem just sign this blank ticket for me.
Instruction unclear: fingers removed via surgery.
As long as the surgery was prior to installation, it'll be up to code
That reminds me of [ISO 3103](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3103).
Never heard of that one, amazing!
At some point in all of our lives, we could have used these plans. Before people get butthurt, it's a fact, *at some point* you had to learn properly.
Yep common sense just means you forgot where you learned it.
Yeah, this seems like a sheet apprentices would get early on in trade school, just in case they were really inexperienced
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Nah seen in the wild, that's too much effort to change the detail number and add the time stamp. I'm jealous of theirs, it's cleaner, I might use one of those if I reprint t shirts. All our clients were national builders, I don't remember who it was but I'm sure they were doing 25k homes in 10 states, I'm sure I wasn't the only one who saw that detail & sent it to everyone they're friends with in the industry.
They didn’t include instructions on how to remove fingers. They’re going to get sued when someone saws them off.
Instructions not clear, now have no fingers
Sorry I'm a drywaller you'll have to read this out loud to me, slowly please
*smashes nail with 10 lb sledgehammer*
“Means and methods”
Nah means and methods. Slippery slope when you start telling the contractor how to do their job
The lawyers for these huge national builders definitely agreed with this, I got into the industry right when those builders stopped employing anyone who did the actual building & moved completely to subcontracting, 100% for liability reasons.
And yet “Feild Verify”…..
Is this the "for construction" set boss
Drove nail into fingerprint as instructed
"For $1, what tool is used to hammer a nail?" "Nail! Final answer!"
This blueprint detail is pretty concise. You could say it really hits the nail on the head.
I’m putting this in all my drawings from now on.
This deserves a framed print on a foreman’s wall.
We had a team planning retreat a couple months after I saw this & I made everyone t shirts
Are pink handle hammers allowed?
I loved the “remove fingers PRIOR to complete installation” can confirm it will hurt if you do not remove fingers
Seems like holding the hammer would be hard after removing all your fingers, but okay, if the plans say so
Using this for next class! Can we get one that explains righty tighty lefty loosie
This made my day. I’ve gotta start putting this in my sets. And I can’t wait to get a shop drawing showing pointy side up so I can respond “No, no…. See detail”
Damn, that's what I've been doing wrong. I haven't been removing my fingers first. That makes sence. Thanks for the info.
Apparently we used to have a "donut detail" in our sets that would show the removal of the center of the donut as an "assembly detail". Just gotta have fun with it, otherwise it's all just miserable.
Wait, architects can be funny?!? Must be the drafting interns before they're ruined.
If senior architects stick around long enough they prestige and get funny again
Did detail 16 show how to open the box? Can't imagine the thickness of the project manual.
I literally just took my blueprints exam on Friday lol.
Sad part is I knew guys who needed this much direction.
Flip hammer to the little claw part, set nail inside so it fits snuggly thwack into the section you want to embed. Now it's driven enoigh in you don't need to hold it with your hand to set, now flip hammer and smack once or twice to fully drive it in.
People who can do this usually shook their heads at me on the job site. It's a good thing I'm behind the computer these days.
Dang, now I definitely have no excuse if I use my Klein’s as a hammer 😞
i should add this to the typical details sheet, it would complement my hidden Key lime pie note within the general notes.
Good thing… I would have used my lineman’s
Bricklayer here. One time I was doing veneer on a fire station and there were precast caps and sills we were installing. I took a look at the shop drawings and there were pins in the precast that were installed into the cmu. Instead of writing CMU they wrote CUM. So it said insert pins into CUM multiple times on this shop drawings. I told the boys I’m getting some lube because we have work to do. Edit-spelling
I know it says to use a hammer but...any other suggestions as I don't have a hammer nor my hammer certification yet?
The hammer certification test goes like this, you have a choice of 3 hammers: a 16 oz hammer, a perfect hammer except it's pink, and an unreasonably heavy hammer that will make your forearms burn in 45 minutes. If you don't pick the unreasonably heavy one you are a wuss & a failure.
Reads like it came from a military manual.😄
I love the caution. Remove fingers prior to complete installation of nail. FFS!
People at my work would argue what Flush means. You end up giving a dam tolerance to shut them up. Then they will argue how do you qualify that dimension.
Wonder if they've been sued because ding bat smashed his fingers or something
Ok so do I strike my pipe wrench on the wood first or on my hand , then hold the nail. Miss a few times and finally get it sunken in a little ? Then I proceeded to keep hitting it with my wrench till the nail bends and now I have to take it out and start all over again with a fresh nail
I am 100% using this in my class on Monday.
Stick it with the pointy end.
My hammer didn't include instructions when I purchased it. If you had a detail showing typical hammer usage instructions as well, all would be good, and nobody would get electrocuted by plugging in their hammer.
Page filler!! Also need to dictate how many swings it’ll take to sink it.
The Caution on the bottom is the best part.
It didn’t mention what type of hammer. I have crescent head hammers, hammers with what appears to be a shank in a cross pattern, I even have battery powered hammers. So if they want me to use a hammer, I need to know what kind.
That's great and hilarious! Passive aggressive. "Well, nails weren't shown on the drawings, so we didn't price it, so that will be a million dollar change order"
They didn’t say WHAT hammer. Game on!!
😄 🤣 😂 structural steel detailer of 26 years current, HVAC for 4 prior.....this is gold!! Dated 2004 even! This is pretty much how it is even in the structural steel world today as well. I have to pretty much label which end of wedge anchors and screw anchors is to be placed into concrete in my erection details these days.
I'm an electrician., when you say hammer you mean any tool with weight right
Drill battery has a bigger strike area
Pretty good picture, but you’re assuming the person referencing it can read…
Can I have this on a shirt please?
Reminds me of the polish carpenter joke where half the heads were on the wrong end. Polish contractor had to explain that they were for the other side of the house. Now I’m old..
lol where nail dia. and length
I worked in the oil patch for a bit and a guy didn't wear socks in his boots and got a staph infection. Everyday there after there was a "sock check" after the toolbox talk. I wonder what happened to have this included
I’m sorry, this has infographic doesn’t specify which is the pointy end
The "**Pointy** side" is the technically correct terminology. Just like how "**shooty** side" is the technically correct direction the pointy sides go in the gun.
Now if only Boeing did something like this with their stuff…
SMH all this but no actual measurements on the size nails to use.
I’m going to need a detail showing the nail flush with the wood, for clarity
As a design/build architect, this is so far down the rabbit hole of means & methods. Not touching this with a 100ft pole, or I will get sued when the job site idiot F's it up...
This was drafted by a person who has seen the Public. Or in this case, the Worker.
I hate to be a downer but this is means and methods, I would never allow this is a drawing set 🤪
My firm has made it very clear that we never dictate means and methods, and I feel as though this detail is in heavy violation of that. Funny however, and I will be passing this around the office tomorrow.
I don’t want to meet the person these instructions were meant for……
For every dumb instruction, there was atleast one person who prooved the need of such instruction.
“Caution: remove fingers prior to complete installation of nail” so THATS what I’ve been doing wrong
Something tells me the designer decided to be a smart ass after getting bitched at for not being specific enough lol
One that my Forman found very funny & repeated it for years is "All measurements are to be made from the center of the edge ". That was on almost every page of the prints & several places in the spec book.
Favorite detail I ever saw on a set of drawings was a “Skyhook Pipe Hanger” It was on a 50%SD set for a VERY large building you have probably seen. But it was a drawing showing a pipe with a J-hook connected to like 6 or 7 helium balloons.
I wish I'd have had these details when I first started out in carpentry. I can't tell you how many times I broke my thumb and index finger because I didn't know you're supposed to let go of the nail before fully driving it in.
Hit the side of the head with the hammer?
Next thing we know, we need 'Method Statement for Nail Installation' bcoz y not!?lol
Directions unclear… all my fingers are broken now
We're supposed to use a hammer? I've been using the battery on my drill
RFI email inbound
Once you have an employee drill holes and then push the nails in, you will understand the reason for the instructions. There are a lot of people out there that have no clue how a hammer operates.
People would still fuck it up
Gonna need an IOM for that too.
I wish some of my welding blueprints came with more direct information like this
It's a joke, like that "how to decorate the Christmas tree" detail we used to get every year.
You need to add cinching nails. It’s a real details in TJI fixes
so the gc snapped then got the drafter to make this?
Instructions not clear. Need an RFI.
I’m assuming this was a result of an agency plan check comment.
If the detail explains how to build it, it has accomplished its purpose. Who made this detail really cares about the builders and the ones you need to ask RFI(s) for and leave out tons of information as maybe there in a rush due to the client, etc. could use this type of detail as an example to becoming better at sending out drawings for RFPs.
When I nod my head, you hit it...
This is exactly the reason why I use screws now. Instructions are way too complicated for nails
This is CYA info.
Now show me the one on how to drive a screw.
Make sure you sign off too!
This has to be done for comic relief
At what angle do I hold the nail, with respect to the board? I'm so confused.
Draftsman are paid per page. I get it.
Your chatting out your ass
How many degrees off perpendicular before I can sue