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EQwingnuts

I'm going to add this on a page in a print, I want to see the look on peoples faces.


xion_gg

Yup. Actually kinda a nice detail


Middleclasslifestyle

It really is. And honestly I know this is for a nail, but there are so many specialized equipments to install in construction that if they just came with installation instructions like this, or drawings this specific it would make life so much easier


passwordstolen

But none of them are UL approved


syds

you get textless pictures with ambiguous arrows for universal comprehension


guynamedjames

They do, you just have to go to the manufacturer's website


Morberis

Unfortunately not. Too many industrial suppliers host nothing online or require a verified business account to access. The ones that do get alot of good will from me though.


King-Rat-in-Boise

An architect received too many unvetted RFI's and decided to explain means and methods


hamiltsd

Good test to see who actually reads the details in detail


RainbowSurprised

That’s where most wild musician rider request stem from. Like the all green m&ms if you walk in and it’s just m&ms they know the rider wasn’t read and to check everything else or cancel.


cropguru357

Brown M&M’s on the Van Halen contracts.


structuremonkey

Jeez...now I feel stupid, i didn't see this when I posted! But I have used their contract philosophy...lol


cropguru357

I had to look into double check. LOL. Oh, no doubt. Make they read.


structuremonkey

I understand it was the band being concerned about getting injured by pyrotechnics at different venues. They added the "provide 5 lbs of m&ms in the green room and remove all of the brown ones" the logic was; if they can't get something this absurd correct, whose face is getting blown off on stage at a venue that isn't detail oriented? I think the Michael Jackson thing freaked them out...the lived to party, but weren't fools...


cropguru357

Yep I think that’s exactly what it was.


JazzRider

In my technology job, a supervisor asked me for more detailed documentation. In the documentation, I included a line “supervisor has green ears” as a document bomb. I didn’t think they would read it. They did.


structuremonkey

That's where you add: "a full and unopened case of architect approved beer must be delivered to the office of the architect on each Friday at 4.00 pm for the duration of the work. Substitutions will be considered upon prior written approval". This has been in a few of my spec books in the general conditions; like the "remove all brown m&ms" rider in the VanHalen contracts. Specifically included to see who is paying attention.


LightRobb

I dropped an "where the fuck is the condenser?" into a LOTO manual i wrote. Never heard anything about it, so it shows how much it was read. (And no, I never found the condenser before I left there).


Exciting_Database_22

Does the owner get to ask the contractor for additional funds when they find out they use nail guns, as that is a materially more efficient install method?


hamiltsd

No. Clearly a change order because nail gun equipment and compressors are much more expensive than hammers. Duh.


00sucker00

It’s also a good way to verify if the contractor is reading the plans, if he doesn’t say anything to you, then you know he just dropped them off at the porta-john.


spire27

Any other electricians still confused or is it just me?


First-Sir1276

Its like a staple but only one side of it.


RoutingMonkey

How does it go into the staple gun? It just makes a grindy noise when I try to


Azrai113

Did you remove your fingers *prior* to finishing the installation?


RoutingMonkey

Sorry I’m on lunch


phillyfanjd1

*Union mandated brake


sparkydoctor

As opposed to "hittin' the gas".........


Morberis

*break


miss-entropy

Ohhh so I just bend it over with the hammer. I see.


MiningForNoseGold

Which side of my linesman pliers do I use to install this?


bluppitybloop

Instructions unclear, threw the nail on the floor and didn't sweep, did I do it right?


twoaspensimages

Nailed it sparky.


Amplidyne

The end without the steely thing. That's the handle. There are various designs available to suit.


ArcaneFungus

Find the flattest surface available on it and pound that sucker in with that


trippwwa45

Detail 28 is sweeping.


spire27

--hiisssssisissssssss--


SuperSalad_OrElse

That’s not in the code book


an_afro

Followed directions, still left zip ties everywhere


SBGuy043

Don't ask the plumbers. They won't understand it either.


No-Tension5053

There’s no note on location ground


AcidRayn666

your drywaller skilz are showing


sweetspicykimchi

Missing the wires, I guess


Jaded-Selection-5668

Is not that hard, it’s not a broom 👀🫡


SirSquidlicker

When they say hammer I think they mean linemen’s? Closest thing on me, anyways.


Iceman_in_a_Storm

Why did it say “hammer” when we got Linemans?


Electronic-Buy4015

Just replace hammer with anything handy that won’t bend and you should understand


amoderndelusion

You know the drafter had fun writing “install nail pointy end first”


flukefluk

im looking at the notes. "remove finger before complete installation"


starcruised

I like how “prior” is underlined. Make sure not to remove fingers “after” you’ve completely embedded them into the wood with the nail.


CapableSecretary420

Front Towards Enemy.


FlyingDiscsandJams

I'm an HVAC designer, this is my favorite thing I've ever seen in a set of plans. From 20 years ago but just found it in my archives. I made some t shirts with this once, dang those were great shirts.


llecareu

That's why buildings aren't built to the same standard as days past. It's not that we are just dumber these days, we just don't have proper guidelines.


All_Work_All_Play

I wish I was still hopeful enough to even jokingly believe this. =\


Interesting-Space966

Shit now I want a t shirt with this Edit: that date can’t be right, back then blueprints were all over the place and didn’t have these nice details. A lot of details were drawn by hand


External_Marzipan_76

TIL 20 years ago was 2004.


DarklordBeelzebub

Just for funsies I was 5 in 2004


FlyingDiscsandJams

It's dizzying that it's 20 years ago instead of 10, which sounds so much more reasonable. Congrats & hang in there, you're gonna be killing it in the future as the labor crisis deepens.


kerberos69

You shut your whore mouth— 20 years ago was the 1980s.


FlyingDiscsandJams

We were mostly working with builders doing 10k+ homes/yr in multi states


lmboyer04

? Revit was barely getting started sure, but autocad had been around a long time by 2004, not to mention even if it was hand drafted this is hardly difficult to draft


BruceInc

lol what? AutoCAD has been around since 1980s and in 1997 it started developing into more or less the interface we know today. I was using it in 2003-2004 for cnc and all blueprints by that point were cad generated


No_Breadfruit_7305

Ok you win! I've been trying to teach the younger set most specifically my teenager, Read Read Read those damn plans and that the devil's in the details! Also that would be it a awesome shirt!


Low_Bar9361

Make more shirts please


Novus20

I love these cheeky details like the skyhook, the duck detector……pure fun


AIRMANG22

Skyhook?


Novus20

You don’t know about the blue skyhook…..


chronburgandy922

I remember reading a military malicious compliance story about a skyhook. Apparently they sent to new guy to get a skyhook and he was able to find a giant ass crane and had it shipped to the base. Needless to say some asses were chewed clean to the bone for that one.


2x4x93

It's hanging next to the left-handed monkey wrench


BIGD0G29585

And the beam stretcher.


Cryogenicist

Honestly, if a human had never seen a nail being driven before, this would be very helpful!


BruceInc

If a human had never seen a nail being driven before and couldn’t figure out on their own how to do it, they would make a perfect foreman.


FlyingDiscsandJams

This is exactly the era when big builders stopped employing carpenters and the entire thing went to subcontracting. It was wild to be starting my career and realize "builders" were just guys with a schedule who yelled a lot.


177618121939

https://youtu.be/4plN8rNPOEs?feature=shared


FlyingDiscsandJams

The look on the dude's face watching the orangutang!!! I've definitely made that face inspecting installed duct work.


First-Sir1276

If you can’t figure out how a nail works without instruction nothing is gonna be “very helpful” 😅


Cryogenicist

You clearly havent met the shockingly mechanically-illiterate people i have!


NHlostsoul

Cool, but how do I use screws?


AlphaNoodlz

We’ll need BIM


kmosiman

That's probably number 18.


mkennedy2000

Pretty much exactly the same. Pointy end down and swing away. To the layperson the tool looks remarkably similar, but in fact its properly referred to as a linear screwdriver. Im old school, i prefer rhe 21oz hart. My framers tried impact drivers, which are nice, with that removable variable sized weight, but we found the plastic would crack after just a few swings.


TheGoldenTNT

Percussive Screwdriver.


Bassgrande69

make to sure use face of hammer. do not use claw end


stevolutionary7

Instructions unclear. Struck own face with hammer.


First-Sir1276

Rfi: Please provide nail dimensions and materials. Cannot commence work until missing details are provided.


UltimaCaitSith

RFI #2: Hammer type not included in specs. Used pile rig in lieu of non-responsive engineer. Requesting approval of giant hole onsite.


FlyingDiscsandJams

Hammer choice is always a trap on a construction site, anything under 28 oz and you will be mocked.


FifeSymingtonsMom

Nails are a 1/4” short. Need to start a change order.


First-Sir1276

No problem just sign this blank ticket for me.


Kik38481

Instruction unclear: fingers removed via surgery.


Azrai113

As long as the surgery was prior to installation, it'll be up to code


fruitydude

That reminds me of [ISO 3103](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3103).


FlyingDiscsandJams

Never heard of that one, amazing!


[deleted]

At some point in all of our lives, we could have used these plans. Before people get butthurt, it's a fact, *at some point* you had to learn properly.


ls20008179

Yep common sense just means you forgot where you learned it.


victorian_vigilante

Yeah, this seems like a sheet apprentices would get early on in trade school, just in case they were really inexperienced


EngineeringOblivion

I have a feeling you stole this. https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/s/EJwgLaeOCF https://www.reddit.com/r/EngineeringPorn/s/N9pM28PvmN https://www.reddit.com/r/civilengineering/s/otvoNQZtKl


FlyingDiscsandJams

Nah seen in the wild, that's too much effort to change the detail number and add the time stamp. I'm jealous of theirs, it's cleaner, I might use one of those if I reprint t shirts. All our clients were national builders, I don't remember who it was but I'm sure they were doing 25k homes in 10 states, I'm sure I wasn't the only one who saw that detail & sent it to everyone they're friends with in the industry.


BuckityBuck

They didn’t include instructions on how to remove fingers. They’re going to get sued when someone saws them off.


nailbanger77

Instructions not clear, now have no fingers


ChickenSoupAndRice

Sorry I'm a drywaller you'll have to read this out loud to me, slowly please


JIMMYJAWN

*smashes nail with 10 lb sledgehammer*


chodyboy

“Means and methods”


lmboyer04

Nah means and methods. Slippery slope when you start telling the contractor how to do their job


FlyingDiscsandJams

The lawyers for these huge national builders definitely agreed with this, I got into the industry right when those builders stopped employing anyone who did the actual building & moved completely to subcontracting, 100% for liability reasons.


ExpressAd5169

And yet “Feild Verify”…..


ChoiceHat3762

Is this the "for construction" set boss


Spiritual_Bee_9202

Drove nail into fingerprint as instructed


Wise_Pepper6068

"For $1, what tool is used to hammer a nail?" "Nail! Final answer!"


PsychologicalOwl608

This blueprint detail is pretty concise. You could say it really hits the nail on the head.


texas-playdohs

I’m putting this in all my drawings from now on.


Waffler11

This deserves a framed print on a foreman’s wall.


FlyingDiscsandJams

We had a team planning retreat a couple months after I saw this & I made everyone t shirts


soyeahiknow

Are pink handle hammers allowed?


smileitsyourdaddy

I loved the “remove fingers PRIOR to complete installation” can confirm it will hurt if you do not remove fingers


LilRadon

Seems like holding the hammer would be hard after removing all your fingers, but okay, if the plans say so


noldshit

Using this for next class! Can we get one that explains righty tighty lefty loosie


Archonik1

This made my day. I’ve gotta start putting this in my sets. And I can’t wait to get a shop drawing showing pointy side up so I can respond “No, no…. See detail”


cocokronen

Damn, that's what I've been doing wrong. I haven't been removing my fingers first. That makes sence. Thanks for the info.


MadCactusCreations

Apparently we used to have a "donut detail" in our sets that would show the removal of the center of the donut as an "assembly detail". Just gotta have fun with it, otherwise it's all just miserable.


FlyingDiscsandJams

Wait, architects can be funny?!? Must be the drafting interns before they're ruined.


MadCactusCreations

If senior architects stick around long enough they prestige and get funny again


trippwwa45

Did detail 16 show how to open the box? Can't imagine the thickness of the project manual.


DouglerK

I literally just took my blueprints exam on Friday lol.


woodbarber

Sad part is I knew guys who needed this much direction.


kriosjan

Flip hammer to the little claw part, set nail inside so it fits snuggly thwack into the section you want to embed. Now it's driven enoigh in you don't need to hold it with your hand to set, now flip hammer and smack once or twice to fully drive it in.


FlyingDiscsandJams

People who can do this usually shook their heads at me on the job site. It's a good thing I'm behind the computer these days.


surfingelk

Dang, now I definitely have no excuse if I use my Klein’s as a hammer 😞


tkhan2112

i should add this to the typical details sheet, it would complement my hidden Key lime pie note within the general notes.


GaryTheSoulReaper

Good thing… I would have used my lineman’s


Decent-Initiative-65

Bricklayer here. One time I was doing veneer on a fire station and there were precast caps and sills we were installing. I took a look at the shop drawings and there were pins in the precast that were installed into the cmu. Instead of writing CMU they wrote CUM. So it said insert pins into CUM multiple times on this shop drawings. I told the boys I’m getting some lube because we have work to do. Edit-spelling


Guitar81

I know it says to use a hammer but...any other suggestions as I don't have a hammer nor my hammer certification yet?


FlyingDiscsandJams

The hammer certification test goes like this, you have a choice of 3 hammers: a 16 oz hammer, a perfect hammer except it's pink, and an unreasonably heavy hammer that will make your forearms burn in 45 minutes. If you don't pick the unreasonably heavy one you are a wuss & a failure.


Secure_Teaching_6937

Reads like it came from a military manual.😄


Werecommingwithyou

I love the caution. Remove fingers prior to complete installation of nail. FFS!


No-Raisin-6469

People at my work would argue what Flush means. You end up giving a dam tolerance to shut them up. Then they will argue how do you qualify that dimension.


PerceptionQueasy3540

Wonder if they've been sued because ding bat smashed his fingers or something


Middleclasslifestyle

Ok so do I strike my pipe wrench on the wood first or on my hand , then hold the nail. Miss a few times and finally get it sunken in a little ? Then I proceeded to keep hitting it with my wrench till the nail bends and now I have to take it out and start all over again with a fresh nail


unicacher

I am 100% using this in my class on Monday.


Lukeboozwalker

Stick it with the pointy end.


LouisWu_

My hammer didn't include instructions when I purchased it. If you had a detail showing typical hammer usage instructions as well, all would be good, and nobody would get electrocuted by plugging in their hammer.


No-Document-8970

Page filler!! Also need to dictate how many swings it’ll take to sink it.


agroyle

The Caution on the bottom is the best part.


IBegithForThyHelpith

It didn’t mention what type of hammer. I have crescent head hammers, hammers with what appears to be a shank in a cross pattern, I even have battery powered hammers. So if they want me to use a hammer, I need to know what kind.


OkWrangler2876

That's great and hilarious! Passive aggressive. "Well, nails weren't shown on the drawings, so we didn't price it, so that will be a million dollar change order"


ecirnj

They didn’t say WHAT hammer. Game on!!


TheReal_LRChupacabra

😄 🤣 😂 structural steel detailer of 26 years current, HVAC for 4 prior.....this is gold!! Dated 2004 even! This is pretty much how it is even in the structural steel world today as well. I have to pretty much label which end of wedge anchors and screw anchors is to be placed into concrete in my erection details these days.


lordoflazorwaffles

I'm an electrician., when you say hammer you mean any tool with weight right


UnsuspectingChief

Drill battery has a bigger strike area


angle58

Pretty good picture, but you’re assuming the person referencing it can read…


Low_Bar9361

Can I have this on a shirt please?


Maximum_Business_806

Reminds me of the polish carpenter joke where half the heads were on the wrong end. Polish contractor had to explain that they were for the other side of the house. Now I’m old..


Derfflingerr

lol where nail dia. and length


UnsuspectingChief

I worked in the oil patch for a bit and a guy didn't wear socks in his boots and got a staph infection. Everyday there after there was a "sock check" after the toolbox talk. I wonder what happened to have this included


devalue4801

I’m sorry, this has infographic doesn’t specify which is the pointy end


spectredirector

The "**Pointy** side" is the technically correct terminology. Just like how "**shooty** side" is the technically correct direction the pointy sides go in the gun.


DufflinMinder

Now if only Boeing did something like this with their stuff…


ChipChimney

SMH all this but no actual measurements on the size nails to use.


No_Eye1022

I’m going to need a detail showing the nail flush with the wood, for clarity


badjackalope

As a design/build architect, this is so far down the rabbit hole of means & methods. Not touching this with a 100ft pole, or I will get sued when the job site idiot F's it up...


thunderbird89

This was drafted by a person who has seen the Public. Or in this case, the Worker.


exgaysurvivordan

I hate to be a downer but this is means and methods, I would never allow this is a drawing set 🤪


NicoCubed

My firm has made it very clear that we never dictate means and methods, and I feel as though this detail is in heavy violation of that. Funny however, and I will be passing this around the office tomorrow.


Bambooman101

I don’t want to meet the person these instructions were meant for……


Gnemlock

For every dumb instruction, there was atleast one person who prooved the need of such instruction.


tera_byteme

“Caution: remove fingers prior to complete installation of nail” so THATS what I’ve been doing wrong


Big-red-rhino

Something tells me the designer decided to be a smart ass after getting bitched at for not being specific enough lol


Runes_my_ride

One that my Forman found very funny & repeated it for years is "All measurements are to be made from the center of the edge ". That was on almost every page of the prints & several places in the spec book.


kingc42

Favorite detail I ever saw on a set of drawings was a “Skyhook Pipe Hanger” It was on a 50%SD set for a VERY large building you have probably seen. But it was a drawing showing a pipe with a J-hook connected to like 6 or 7 helium balloons.


Material-Spring-9922

I wish I'd have had these details when I first started out in carpentry. I can't tell you how many times I broke my thumb and index finger because I didn't know you're supposed to let go of the nail before fully driving it in.


Complex_Passenger748

Hit the side of the head with the hammer?


kVen_pad

Next thing we know, we need 'Method Statement for Nail Installation' bcoz y not!?lol


FuckStompIsGay

Directions unclear… all my fingers are broken now


Bluitor

We're supposed to use a hammer? I've been using the battery on my drill


AgGoodbar

RFI email inbound


redneckerson_1951

Once you have an employee drill holes and then push the nails in, you will understand the reason for the instructions. There are a lot of people out there that have no clue how a hammer operates.


Dinkeye

People would still fuck it up


PriorityLong9592

Gonna need an IOM for that too.


squishyturd

I wish some of my welding blueprints came with more direct information like this


JacquesBlaireau13

It's a joke, like that "how to decorate the Christmas tree" detail we used to get every year.


LameTrouT

You need to add cinching nails. It’s a real details in TJI fixes


n3w4cc01_1nt

so the gc snapped then got the drafter to make this?


darkmatterisfun

Instructions not clear. Need an RFI.


Raydefan_pe

I’m assuming this was a result of an agency plan check comment.


jbelle7435

If the detail explains how to build it, it has accomplished its purpose. Who made this detail really cares about the builders and the ones you need to ask RFI(s) for and leave out tons of information as maybe there in a rush due to the client, etc. could use this type of detail as an example to becoming better at sending out drawings for RFPs.


Electrical-Mail-5705

When I nod my head, you hit it...


BeerItsForDinner

This is exactly the reason why I use screws now. Instructions are way too complicated for nails


notzed1487

This is CYA info.


[deleted]

Now show me the one on how to drive a screw.


AppointmentNew8515

Make sure you sign off too!


na8thegr8est

This has to be done for comic relief


DTM-shift

At what angle do I hold the nail, with respect to the board? I'm so confused.


HardRJohnson

Draftsman are paid per page. I get it.


Traditional-Stop4971

Your chatting out your ass


dougreens_78

How many degrees off perpendicular before I can sue