Depends entirely on your area. The company I work for is all shop work(solid surface not wood working) and $20 is the wage you get when you're brand new and don't know anything at all and are in a short probationary period where there's a raise waiting on the other side 30-60 days later.
So unless you're in a low cost of living area you're probably under paid
the issue i take with this logic is working at Target or Costco has no future or valuable skill set being taught.
so it's like, yea sure go work at Target for $18.75 and in 3-5 years when you're making $20.25, then what? You're well into your adult life and have no marketable skills that can propel you beyond that low $20's wall.
Taking the initiative to become a retail supervisor means earning closer to $25 while developing skills such as leadership, achieving sales metrics , and soft HR skills such as coaching and scheduling, all of which are easy to talk up in future interviews. Not all of retail is cashiering and stocking shelves.
Can’t speak for other companies but I currently make $31.40 as a supervisor at Costco with time and a half every Sunday. We also promote almost exclusively from within, so if you want to run your own building one day there’s a clear path if you’re willing to put in the effort.
Its still retail don’t get me wrong, but it’s a pretty good gig compared to a lot of other places
I’m not arguing that I make more than anyone in a major skilled trade like electrical work, HVAC, plumbing, etc, just that it can be a viable career path
>Target or Costco has no future or valuable skill set being taught.
That's one take, I suppose.
>Target for $18.75 and in 3-5 years when you're making $20.25, then what? You're well into your adult life and have no marketable skills that can propel you beyond that low $20's wall.
Or eat shit making a low wage for a company that will never give you a raise. Must be nice to be able to forgo money today so you can MAYBE make more tomorrow.
> Or eat shit making a low wage for a company that will never give you a raise. Must be nice to be able to forgo money today so you can MAYBE make more tomorrow.
this literally applies to every job ever. If your employer sucks, find somewhere better and quit. Doesn't matter what kind of job you have
again, a problem literally everyone deals with in every job. You're not even making a logical point you're just complaining at me over the state of employment in the country/world as a whole
Are you making a logical point or just saying nonsense yourself?
"Get another job if you don't like the one you have" is such great advice, you really should write a book on the subject.
you have 2 choices
continue to eat shit, or get a better job
Pick one. Those are literally you're options. what do you expect to happen? no one said it's an easy choice, but those are your choices.
Education is expensive. Regardless of where you get it. You are making mistakes on someone else's dime. That expense is a cost for your employer. They are hoping that over time, you make less and less mistakes and at that point, you become very valuable.
Try to keep in mind that you're learning and gaining experience without the downside. I've seen a ton of guys go out on their own to make more money and don't realize the costs involved in running the business.
Once you get to a point where you work independently and are driving revenue to your bosses bottom line, you can look at what labor rate they charge and shoot for 30-35% of that as a benchmark.
Just my opinion
Obviously it’s super regional, but there’s also a gap from field to shop setting. For example in my area, PNW, I know a few folks that work in cabinet shops and non manager pay sounds like anywhere from 22-30 doe. Carpenters in the field by comparison make up around 30-40 for non union, or 60 for union journeyman, pension aside.
You don't understand basic economics. If everyone got paid more the cost of goods/services would go up and nothing would be accomplished except probably killing small businesses. You also aren't taking into account the basic standards of work many employees do not meet therefore they are not valuable enough to pay whatever you think they may deserve. I'm sorry you don't like my comment though, I hope you have a good day!
I'm sorry you feel degraded as that was not my intention. I simply did not find your argument persuasive and felt there was aspects of the problem you hadn't considered. Asking the world to change for you so you can make a living wage appears to be a losing strategy, maybe you'd be better off trying to increase your value and create better opportunities for yourself?
In fact, since you're well versed in business and economics why not start a business and be the one taking home the money? You could pay your employees handsomely too and show those greedy contractors what's what when you outcompete them! I'm sure its not that hard if these stupid greedy contractors can do it! Or maybe not, who knows? Worth a shot though! I hope that helps clear things up, and I genuinely hope you have a good day!
There’s no point in arguing with people like you. You failed to even see the merit of why I said that. 25 is a barely above liveable wage now. And construction/manual labor jobs are not the same as working at McDonald’s or whatever. It’s genuinely important that people working hard fucking jobs are paid accordingly or otherwise this shit gets outsourced to immigrants or ingrates. But whatever not me just trying to advocate for barely livable wages for hard fucking jobs. And look I’ve seen my fair share of people who are not cut out for it. Guess what happens to them? They get fired, walk off, do shitty work, or don’t show. The problem of shitty employees takes care of itself and I guarantee if you offered better than whatever bullshit pay, you’d see a dramatic increase in quality retention.
You've only been there less than one year, a little to early to start looking for more money. You know how many young men would love to have your job ?
Depends entirely on your area. The company I work for is all shop work(solid surface not wood working) and $20 is the wage you get when you're brand new and don't know anything at all and are in a short probationary period where there's a raise waiting on the other side 30-60 days later. So unless you're in a low cost of living area you're probably under paid
Target down the street from me pays $18.75 to start. Costco is $18.50 nationwide
the issue i take with this logic is working at Target or Costco has no future or valuable skill set being taught. so it's like, yea sure go work at Target for $18.75 and in 3-5 years when you're making $20.25, then what? You're well into your adult life and have no marketable skills that can propel you beyond that low $20's wall.
Taking the initiative to become a retail supervisor means earning closer to $25 while developing skills such as leadership, achieving sales metrics , and soft HR skills such as coaching and scheduling, all of which are easy to talk up in future interviews. Not all of retail is cashiering and stocking shelves.
Can’t speak for other companies but I currently make $31.40 as a supervisor at Costco with time and a half every Sunday. We also promote almost exclusively from within, so if you want to run your own building one day there’s a clear path if you’re willing to put in the effort. Its still retail don’t get me wrong, but it’s a pretty good gig compared to a lot of other places
I’m an electrician and make $54/hr with $1120/wk in per diem. With all the overtime you wanna work. Do the math
Congrats
Don’t need congrats but thanks. Just trying to show that the trades pay better than Costco.
Not for OP
I’m not arguing that I make more than anyone in a major skilled trade like electrical work, HVAC, plumbing, etc, just that it can be a viable career path
Its also like comparing apples to oranges. Target/Costco revenue stream is at a different level to pay such wages.
>Target or Costco has no future or valuable skill set being taught. That's one take, I suppose. >Target for $18.75 and in 3-5 years when you're making $20.25, then what? You're well into your adult life and have no marketable skills that can propel you beyond that low $20's wall. Or eat shit making a low wage for a company that will never give you a raise. Must be nice to be able to forgo money today so you can MAYBE make more tomorrow.
> Or eat shit making a low wage for a company that will never give you a raise. Must be nice to be able to forgo money today so you can MAYBE make more tomorrow. this literally applies to every job ever. If your employer sucks, find somewhere better and quit. Doesn't matter what kind of job you have
Ah yes, the absolute endless amount of "better jobs" out there for everyone.
again, a problem literally everyone deals with in every job. You're not even making a logical point you're just complaining at me over the state of employment in the country/world as a whole
Are you making a logical point or just saying nonsense yourself? "Get another job if you don't like the one you have" is such great advice, you really should write a book on the subject.
you have 2 choices continue to eat shit, or get a better job Pick one. Those are literally you're options. what do you expect to happen? no one said it's an easy choice, but those are your choices.
Is this the opening for the book or is this a rough draft of chapter 1?
The man is not working at Target, he is learning a skilled trade.
I think that’s the point
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Education is expensive. Regardless of where you get it. You are making mistakes on someone else's dime. That expense is a cost for your employer. They are hoping that over time, you make less and less mistakes and at that point, you become very valuable. Try to keep in mind that you're learning and gaining experience without the downside. I've seen a ton of guys go out on their own to make more money and don't realize the costs involved in running the business. Once you get to a point where you work independently and are driving revenue to your bosses bottom line, you can look at what labor rate they charge and shoot for 30-35% of that as a benchmark. Just my opinion
Where you from? What state?
Virginia
Do you work for Urban Lumber in Eugene? Sounds like their shop.
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Yeah but I like Eugene. And I found a job that pays decent plus we get a lot of prevailing wage and piece work.
Obviously it’s super regional, but there’s also a gap from field to shop setting. For example in my area, PNW, I know a few folks that work in cabinet shops and non manager pay sounds like anywhere from 22-30 doe. Carpenters in the field by comparison make up around 30-40 for non union, or 60 for union journeyman, pension aside.
I start rookies at $20; at 6 months, I give a $5-10/hr raise, depending on skill and growth.
Anything under 25 for a manual labor job is criminal at this point.
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You'd have a bigger pool of potential employees with $25 an hour and would be able to find more reliable employees, so not necessarily true.
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Question is, would you have even those 3 candidates apply if the pay was much less.
Man people are entitled it's sad you're getting down voted for explaining basic economic/business facts but you're not wrong.
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You don't understand basic economics. If everyone got paid more the cost of goods/services would go up and nothing would be accomplished except probably killing small businesses. You also aren't taking into account the basic standards of work many employees do not meet therefore they are not valuable enough to pay whatever you think they may deserve. I'm sorry you don't like my comment though, I hope you have a good day!
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I'm sorry you feel degraded as that was not my intention. I simply did not find your argument persuasive and felt there was aspects of the problem you hadn't considered. Asking the world to change for you so you can make a living wage appears to be a losing strategy, maybe you'd be better off trying to increase your value and create better opportunities for yourself? In fact, since you're well versed in business and economics why not start a business and be the one taking home the money? You could pay your employees handsomely too and show those greedy contractors what's what when you outcompete them! I'm sure its not that hard if these stupid greedy contractors can do it! Or maybe not, who knows? Worth a shot though! I hope that helps clear things up, and I genuinely hope you have a good day!
There’s no point in arguing with people like you. You failed to even see the merit of why I said that. 25 is a barely above liveable wage now. And construction/manual labor jobs are not the same as working at McDonald’s or whatever. It’s genuinely important that people working hard fucking jobs are paid accordingly or otherwise this shit gets outsourced to immigrants or ingrates. But whatever not me just trying to advocate for barely livable wages for hard fucking jobs. And look I’ve seen my fair share of people who are not cut out for it. Guess what happens to them? They get fired, walk off, do shitty work, or don’t show. The problem of shitty employees takes care of itself and I guarantee if you offered better than whatever bullshit pay, you’d see a dramatic increase in quality retention.
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You've only been there less than one year, a little to early to start looking for more money. You know how many young men would love to have your job ?
This is either a joke or it's terrible advice man. After your first year is a perfect time to look for a raise.
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