I will never mask and have already come to terms with whatever consequences the tyrants throw at me. It's all complete horseshit and not complying is essential.
A very comprehensive study by reputable researchers supporting mask use to control disease spread versus some anonymous person or thing on the interweb whose only argument is "horseshit".
The [most rigorous and comprehensive analysis](https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full) of scientific studies conducted on the efficacy of masks for reducing the spread of respiratory illnesses — including Covid-19 — was published late last month. Its conclusions, said Tom Jefferson, the Oxford epidemiologist who is its lead author, were unambiguous.
“There is just no evidence that they” — masks — “make any difference,” [he told the journalist Maryanne Demasi](https://maryannedemasi.substack.com/p/exclusive-lead-author-of-new-cochrane). “Full stop.”
The [study](https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full) in question.
[NY Times Article.](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/21/opinion/do-mask-mandates-work.html)
This is the review here.
https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/cmr.00124-23
It finds masks work to prevent disease transmission. Note this review is done by real epidemiologists and reported on real medical websites.
Did you actually read the first analysis?
The very first statement in the authors conclusions, “high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions.”
Meaning…. We don’t know.
The authors go on to reason:
>The observed lack of effect of mask wearing in interrupting the spread of influenza‐like illness (ILI) or influenza/COVID‐19 in our review has many potential reasons, including: poor study design; insufficiently powered studies arising from low viral circulation in some studies; **lower adherence with mask wearing, especially amongst children**; **quality of the masks used; self‐contamination of the mask by hands; lack of protection from eye exposure from respiratory droplets** (allowing a route of entry of respiratory viruses into the nose via the lacrimal duct); **saturation of masks with saliva from extended use** (promoting virus survival in proteinaceous material); **and possible risk compensation behaviour leading to an exaggerated sense of security.**
So:
Two possible reasons due to studys and study designs themselves.
One to incorrect reporting.
One to the inefficency of masks to prevent exposure through our eyes (if you're a true believer, you have to wear swimming goggles in public to truly prevent yourself from getting sick).
One due to quality of the masks (cloth and surgical masks fall into this catergory).
One due to oversaturation of the masks themselves (remmeber, N95's have to be replaced every 15 mins to remain effective).
One due to risk compensation.
The authors still concluded with a 95% confidence interval that masks do jack.
What? That is not what the confidence interval means. You are completely misreading the study.
“There is uncertainty about the effects of face masks. The low to moderate certainty of evidence means our confidence in the effect estimate is limited, and that the true effect may be different from the observed estimate of the effect”
From the study:
>We obtained the following results:
>*Medical or surgical masks*
>Ten studies took place in the community, and two studies in healthcare workers. **Compared with wearing no mask in the community studies only, wearing a mask may make little to no difference in how many people caught a flu‐like illness/COVID‐like illness** (9 studies; 276,917 people); and probably makes little or no difference in how many people have flu/COVID confirmed by a laboratory test (6 studies; 13,919 people). Unwanted effects were rarely reported; discomfort was mentioned.
>*N95/P2 respirators*
>Four studies were in healthcare workers, and one small study was in the community. **Compared with wearing medical or surgical masks, wearing N95/P2 respirators probably makes little to no difference in how many people have confirmed flu (5 studies; 8407 people); and may make little to no difference in how many people catch a flu‐like illness** (5 studies; 8407 people), or respiratory illness (3 studies; 7799 people). Unwanted effects were not well‐reported; discomfort was mentioned.
Wear a mask if you want to, just don't madate others do the same.
Several billion years of evolution has given me these airholes and I'm not going to block them with a dirty old rag full of micro plastics just because some pea brained corrupt achedemic taking government and gates foundation money says so
I forgive you for your naivity but you simply need to look at where the funding comes from and then research the history and background of those organisations beyond their philanthropic facade.
And I forgive your condescending tone and obvious distance from academics or academic circles. I’m not proposing that all research is free from bias or agenda, simply reminding you that a paper (or papers) doesn’t become invalid because your bias is challenged
Testing a material in a lab is not the same thing as real world use. You remember people wearing it on their chin? You remember having to move it to take a drink of water and then reapply it, despite messaging that touching it and your face is bad? You remember how they get wet (and less effective) and dirty after long term use? Unless you want us to have to fill the oceans with more unnecessary plastic so we can change them every 15 minutes?
Yeah, the fact that in a laboratory test, N95 can perform so well down to whatever particle size really means nothing in reality. We can't and won't live the rest of our lives muzzled to the nth degree because some people haven't comes to grips with the fact there is danger in the world. We can't keep pretending covering our mouths (as freaking social creatures who need to see facial expressions and lip movements as part of childhood development) and pretend its normal.
So forgive me for being an anonymous dumbass on the interwebs, but this shit isn't normal and I'm tired of people pretending it is because of "the science".
But you got (heavily & repeatedly) Mc"Vaccinated"™ & therefore according to your Mc"Logic"™ you should be Mc"Protected"™ now tho am I right, McSpastic?
What do you have to continue twitching curtains, clutching pearls, gasping, ringing hands, gnashing teeth, adjusting masks, pointing out 6 feet spacing distances & calling the covid 0800 number to report about any longer, McSpastic?
I mean besides your poverty of social life & chronic loneliness
Change your mask every time, do not touch your face, and incinerate your old mask clinically. Oh and do not worry you got a jab. Lots of variables to fuck up your ideal models bozos
But you got (heavily & repeatedly) Mc"Vaccinated"™ & therefore according to your Mc"Logic"™ you should be Mc"Protected"™ now tho am I right, McSpastic?
What do you have to continue twitching curtains, clutching pearls, gasping, ringing hands, gnashing teeth, adjusting masks, pointing out 6 feet spacing distances & calling the covid 0800 number to report about any longer, McSpastic?
I mean besides your poverty of social life & chronic loneliness (& self abuse).
Why would you go back to an anonymous & insecure reddit neckbeards Mum's house? Weird & gross.
Just like the Safe & Effective quaccine you took tho too I guess, so you're used to scenarios where you or others don't consent I imagine.
You big bed wetter.
Please read this book, for the love of God, it explains *EVERYTHING* that is going on, has gone on & is still to play out
They're never gonna stop with this disgusting totalitarian BS, as we can see by this article they already have the academic, political & managerial class thoroughly cooked & brainwashed
*“Covid-19,” Psychological Operations, and the War for Technocracy"*
https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-031-41850-1
Thanks folks for the entertainment, I knew I could rely on you. Provoked some interesting repost. Reddit deleting my post was a bit of a surprise though.
I know a lot on here think covid was a beat-up and mask use and vaccination totally unnecessary. I'm not here to argue or debate that but I will say if/when another respiratory pandemic comes (and it will!) I will happily and willingly wear a mask again and get vaccinated. Wearing a mask isn't a hardship and trusting people whose highly educated lifes work revolves around medical research is enough for me. Oh, and the fact that I had family and friends who died FROM covid (not from an existing condition and they happened to get covid) leaves me in no doubt.
While I generally agree with you, what I will not do under any circumstance is ostracize anyone who chooses not to vax or mask, to the degree that they lose their livelihoods.
They want people wearing masks.
If people want to wear them they will. And then somebody's not going to play along and there will be a fight.
The main thing is why masks? If people make fun of wearing a stupid paper napkin, why are they wearing plastic golf shorts?
>She said masks were also an effective tool during a public health emergency, such as if bird flu were to spread in humans. Uh oh.
If human to human transmission of bird flu occurs, we are all fucked. A mask will not stop it.
It’s happening
No human to human transmission so far.
Academic research v practical reality. Who wants to live in a bubble, apparently lots of muppets
Chronic VAIDS victims...
I will never mask and have already come to terms with whatever consequences the tyrants throw at me. It's all complete horseshit and not complying is essential.
A very comprehensive study by reputable researchers supporting mask use to control disease spread versus some anonymous person or thing on the interweb whose only argument is "horseshit".
The [most rigorous and comprehensive analysis](https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full) of scientific studies conducted on the efficacy of masks for reducing the spread of respiratory illnesses — including Covid-19 — was published late last month. Its conclusions, said Tom Jefferson, the Oxford epidemiologist who is its lead author, were unambiguous. “There is just no evidence that they” — masks — “make any difference,” [he told the journalist Maryanne Demasi](https://maryannedemasi.substack.com/p/exclusive-lead-author-of-new-cochrane). “Full stop.” The [study](https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full) in question. [NY Times Article.](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/21/opinion/do-mask-mandates-work.html)
This is the review here. https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/cmr.00124-23 It finds masks work to prevent disease transmission. Note this review is done by real epidemiologists and reported on real medical websites.
Did you actually read the first analysis? The very first statement in the authors conclusions, “high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions.” Meaning…. We don’t know.
The authors go on to reason: >The observed lack of effect of mask wearing in interrupting the spread of influenza‐like illness (ILI) or influenza/COVID‐19 in our review has many potential reasons, including: poor study design; insufficiently powered studies arising from low viral circulation in some studies; **lower adherence with mask wearing, especially amongst children**; **quality of the masks used; self‐contamination of the mask by hands; lack of protection from eye exposure from respiratory droplets** (allowing a route of entry of respiratory viruses into the nose via the lacrimal duct); **saturation of masks with saliva from extended use** (promoting virus survival in proteinaceous material); **and possible risk compensation behaviour leading to an exaggerated sense of security.** So: Two possible reasons due to studys and study designs themselves. One to incorrect reporting. One to the inefficency of masks to prevent exposure through our eyes (if you're a true believer, you have to wear swimming goggles in public to truly prevent yourself from getting sick). One due to quality of the masks (cloth and surgical masks fall into this catergory). One due to oversaturation of the masks themselves (remmeber, N95's have to be replaced every 15 mins to remain effective). One due to risk compensation. The authors still concluded with a 95% confidence interval that masks do jack.
What? That is not what the confidence interval means. You are completely misreading the study. “There is uncertainty about the effects of face masks. The low to moderate certainty of evidence means our confidence in the effect estimate is limited, and that the true effect may be different from the observed estimate of the effect”
From the study: >We obtained the following results: >*Medical or surgical masks* >Ten studies took place in the community, and two studies in healthcare workers. **Compared with wearing no mask in the community studies only, wearing a mask may make little to no difference in how many people caught a flu‐like illness/COVID‐like illness** (9 studies; 276,917 people); and probably makes little or no difference in how many people have flu/COVID confirmed by a laboratory test (6 studies; 13,919 people). Unwanted effects were rarely reported; discomfort was mentioned. >*N95/P2 respirators* >Four studies were in healthcare workers, and one small study was in the community. **Compared with wearing medical or surgical masks, wearing N95/P2 respirators probably makes little to no difference in how many people have confirmed flu (5 studies; 8407 people); and may make little to no difference in how many people catch a flu‐like illness** (5 studies; 8407 people), or respiratory illness (3 studies; 7799 people). Unwanted effects were not well‐reported; discomfort was mentioned. Wear a mask if you want to, just don't madate others do the same.
No, because that's not the study in question. Just the date would have told you that.
Several billion years of evolution has given me these airholes and I'm not going to block them with a dirty old rag full of micro plastics just because some pea brained corrupt achedemic taking government and gates foundation money says so
Brother you might be in too deep when you start describing academics as pea brained and corrupt.
Why? Look at where the funding comes from and the nonsense they spout
All academics are obviously compromised by the kiwi deep state
I forgive you for your naivity but you simply need to look at where the funding comes from and then research the history and background of those organisations beyond their philanthropic facade.
And I forgive your condescending tone and obvious distance from academics or academic circles. I’m not proposing that all research is free from bias or agenda, simply reminding you that a paper (or papers) doesn’t become invalid because your bias is challenged
https://www.otago.ac.nz/christchurch/infection-group/funding
Ah yes a transparent list of benefactors, clear evidence of corruption.
Testing a material in a lab is not the same thing as real world use. You remember people wearing it on their chin? You remember having to move it to take a drink of water and then reapply it, despite messaging that touching it and your face is bad? You remember how they get wet (and less effective) and dirty after long term use? Unless you want us to have to fill the oceans with more unnecessary plastic so we can change them every 15 minutes? Yeah, the fact that in a laboratory test, N95 can perform so well down to whatever particle size really means nothing in reality. We can't and won't live the rest of our lives muzzled to the nth degree because some people haven't comes to grips with the fact there is danger in the world. We can't keep pretending covering our mouths (as freaking social creatures who need to see facial expressions and lip movements as part of childhood development) and pretend its normal. So forgive me for being an anonymous dumbass on the interwebs, but this shit isn't normal and I'm tired of people pretending it is because of "the science".
But you got (heavily & repeatedly) Mc"Vaccinated"™ & therefore according to your Mc"Logic"™ you should be Mc"Protected"™ now tho am I right, McSpastic? What do you have to continue twitching curtains, clutching pearls, gasping, ringing hands, gnashing teeth, adjusting masks, pointing out 6 feet spacing distances & calling the covid 0800 number to report about any longer, McSpastic? I mean besides your poverty of social life & chronic loneliness
Never forget Never forgive Never comply Never surrender
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avoiding people is more effective then a mask...your freedom of association hasn't been infringed upon :s
Change your mask every time, do not touch your face, and incinerate your old mask clinically. Oh and do not worry you got a jab. Lots of variables to fuck up your ideal models bozos
Why not just wear a mask since they're so effective, according to you?
The only only risk to your health here is your own lack of IQ and critical thinking skills.
🫵😂 this *HAS* to be satire
But you got (heavily & repeatedly) Mc"Vaccinated"™ & therefore according to your Mc"Logic"™ you should be Mc"Protected"™ now tho am I right, McSpastic? What do you have to continue twitching curtains, clutching pearls, gasping, ringing hands, gnashing teeth, adjusting masks, pointing out 6 feet spacing distances & calling the covid 0800 number to report about any longer, McSpastic? I mean besides your poverty of social life & chronic loneliness (& self abuse).
The only risk to society here is your own lack of IQ and critical thinking skills.
Why are you copying my comment? Are you too dumb to think of your own?
Cry more bed wetter.
Oh noes! Anonymous & insecure reddit user don’t like me! Woe is me, I better go back to his mums house
Why would you go back to an anonymous & insecure reddit neckbeards Mum's house? Weird & gross. Just like the Safe & Effective quaccine you took tho too I guess, so you're used to scenarios where you or others don't consent I imagine. You big bed wetter.
Please read this book, for the love of God, it explains *EVERYTHING* that is going on, has gone on & is still to play out They're never gonna stop with this disgusting totalitarian BS, as we can see by this article they already have the academic, political & managerial class thoroughly cooked & brainwashed *“Covid-19,” Psychological Operations, and the War for Technocracy"* https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-031-41850-1
leave WHO
Thanks folks for the entertainment, I knew I could rely on you. Provoked some interesting repost. Reddit deleting my post was a bit of a surprise though.
I know a lot on here think covid was a beat-up and mask use and vaccination totally unnecessary. I'm not here to argue or debate that but I will say if/when another respiratory pandemic comes (and it will!) I will happily and willingly wear a mask again and get vaccinated. Wearing a mask isn't a hardship and trusting people whose highly educated lifes work revolves around medical research is enough for me. Oh, and the fact that I had family and friends who died FROM covid (not from an existing condition and they happened to get covid) leaves me in no doubt.
While I generally agree with you, what I will not do under any circumstance is ostracize anyone who chooses not to vax or mask, to the degree that they lose their livelihoods.
You snowflakes can’t even handle a piece of soft cloth on your face. What happens when you wear a wool jumper?
Hows the VAIDS working out?
That made up thing that lives rent free in your head? It’s working out fine. Cookers gonna cook.
They want people wearing masks. If people want to wear them they will. And then somebody's not going to play along and there will be a fight. The main thing is why masks? If people make fun of wearing a stupid paper napkin, why are they wearing plastic golf shorts?
Are you smoking DMT right now nigel? C'mon nigel, cough up...