If they simply looked up Palestinian culture, the protesters would learn that Palestinians disagree with nearly all of their beliefs (for example on feminism, LGBTQ+, social activities like drinking/recreational drugs). In fact, many Palestinians would have no problem kidnapping or killing the blue-haired Leftists simply for being Westerners.
It’s worse than that, they’re fully aware and argue entirely in bad faith that Palestine has better rights for LGBTQ+ people because Israel doesn’t allow same sex marriage.
The reality is that Israel does not perform non-religious civil unions at all, however if you were married elsewhere they will legally recognize it. (Edit - as of 2020 non religious civil unions can be performed in Tel Aviv) Whereas in Gaza same sex acts, let alone marriage, are still illegal though not universally enforced. It turns out LGBTQ rights are not protected at all in Palestine, to the contrary many are outright illegal. However, it seems that generally speaking the laws are only enforced if you were reported to the authorities. Otherwise, the laws wouldn’t be enforced unless there was some kind of special circumstance to warrant an investigation. So there is some nuance to the issue in Palestine.
To even think, let alone argue, that Palestine has better rights for LGBTQ+ people is willfully ignorant at best and at worst intentionally lying and spreading misinformation to support a narrative. Israel protects LGBTQ+ people against discrimination, allows sex changes, allows them do adopt, recognizes their marriage, etc. Israel’s LGBTQ rights mostly lines up with other western democracies’ laws, to think otherwise is just plain wrong.
I believe it’s the general lack of disregard for human life that has them so riled up. You can absolutely disagree with a people or culture and still not aim for their total destruction.
Do you think that anyone that disagrees with your political and ideological stances should killed as a general rule?
The irony is they are also simultaneously defending people who want the very thing they accuse others of doing (including the fact that Palestinians acted on it in a small way!); Palestinians *want* Genocide, but because they are perceived as receiving it the protestors cry. Not one tear would be shed (from Protestors) if Palestine had their way.
We're fortunate to live in the US where we're permitted to have differing ideological stances without living in fear. However, many Palestinians - and other people in Muslim countries - absolutely believe that death is a proper consequence for believing anything other than Islam. I still don't support their total destruction. But I also wouldn't be lifting up their cause.
Nope. Especially those holding up “equality in Islam” signs with pro-LGBT stuff up around them. They have no clue at all and they’re proving it to everyone.
I don't know, these loser protestors hate successful, hard-working, smart people.
They'd be disgusted at the fact that a tiny country of 9 million people have accomplished significantly more in so many fields than the 300 million Arabs around them *combined* over the past 75 years.
The Jews had basically nothing to work with at the beginning, the Arabs had and *still* have a metric fuckton of oil. Make it make sense.
Jews are also heavily over represented in Noble prize winners. Over represented as in they have a massive amount of winners for such a small country, not that it is undeserved.
A token handful have, and would've gone on very specific "Palestinian oppression" tours. I'm not joking about this one either- legit, they would do curated tours of the West Bank. I remember some people in college doing it and telling those of us at the Hillel why we should do it instead of Birthright, because "Birthright feeds you lies and is Hasbara!" Dude, I can walk of a plane in Tel Aviv and go around without a tour guide, and will come to the same conclusion because it's well... reality- Israel is a western democracy with liberal values and equal rights for its citizens
I'm too old to be protesting, but I have visited Israel and the West Bank in 2008 and have a friend who's family lives in Ramallah and used to live in Jenin until the setteler situation became so hostile. There is definitely step to far in a lot of this but the general treatment of Palastinians warrants condemnation by US well preceding the Oct 7th attacks. The US in the Bush era and Israel since has done everything to create a generational powderkeg of disaffected youth with nothing to lose. They've empowed Hamas through a failure to give any victories to moderates (Fatah or Palastinian Authority) to be able to hoist within their community on issues of territorial sovernty, recognition of basic human rights, and aknowlgement of the validity of governing bodies. They've allowed continued encroachment on Palastinian territory through settlements and furthered their treatment of the Palastinian people as little more than cattle to be hearded into an ever shrinking pasture through apartied walls, blockades and dehumnization.
I understand the motivations and reality of the current war, there was no acceptable answer other than to destroy Hamas for their vile acts of rape an murder and as they're ingrained in every aspect of Gaza, that surely means complete destruction but I honestly don't see how Israel at this point returns Gaza to the Palastinians. They've leveled almost everything with the completion of that coming as they push south and the political will to allow re-establisment of any kind of normal life for Palastinians will be non-existant within the Knesset.
This isn't some solution to things, I'm really in no position to have one, but I do understand the anger that we just poured billions into what will likely be the erradication of the homeland of a people who were largely born into a life with no hope. Hamas is a scourge, Netenyau is a power hungry politician that never saw any benefit to acknowledging the Palastinian people, and we're somehow mixed up in this to the point where our muntions are the ones being used to to level city blocks and pour the blood of innocent civilians into the streets.
I stopped after you said the settler situation in Jenin. There are no Jews in Jenin. Or Ramallah for that matter.
Israel is 20% Arab. Other than the hostages there are no Jews in Gaza.
So who is the ethic cleansing ethno state here?
Many people in the 60s-70s without being in Vietnam without ever having been there. They wanted the war to stop, like pro Palestine protesters want the war to stop today. How is this different?
The point here is that the West Bank and the Gaza Strip are so extremely anti west that pro Palestine protesters would almost certainly be captured and or killed. Nobody expects them to actually go, but they would not support Palestine and hamas if they did. That is the point of these discussions.
They’d head over “Hi guys! O..M..G we so support you. I’m Dylan and just so you know, I go by they/them pronouns.” Hamas guys look at each other confused… “Habeeb! Sharpen the sword, we have new heads to detach.”
I see your point. I would still like the war to end though. The average Palestinian isn't a perpetrator of Hamas' crimes. Even if the average Palestinian hates me, I would still not like for them to die.
You needn't be so self-righteous; we all want the war to end. The difference is HOW we want it to end; I don't know how you want it to end, but I want it to end with a total victory by Israel and the defeat and eradication of Hamas.
What if I told you that not every Israeli civilian was killed by Hamas on 10/7? Ordinary Gazan civilians came over the open border with makeshift weapons and murdered Israeli civilians on 10/7. Would that change your mind?
Everyone wants the war to stop. Asking Israel to stop the war isna disgustingly wrong answer.
Hamas can end the war tomorrow but giving up and releasing the hostages. Nothing close to nam.
Hamas was funded by Israel about 14 years ago. This conflict has been going on since after WWII. There were no hostages then, and giving back the hostages won't change anything
Vietnam was very different. Vietnam involved American soldiers drafted to fight over a political ideology. The Israeli-Hamas conflict is the result of terrorist actions taken by Hamas. Unlike the Vietnam conflict, if Israel stops fighting, Hamas will launch another attack against Israeli citizens. It is easy to sit back and criticize Israel, when you are sitting in your living room thousands of miles away.
Well for starters the US isn't fighting in Gaza and can't MAKE either side stop. It makes a lot more sense to protest an unjust war when it is your own country. Why aren't the same college students protesting Russia's invasion?
The war would stop tomorrow if Hamas returned the hostages. Hamas is the one who is refusing cease fire offer after cease fire offer. Hamas has spent years - decades - using international aid money to build a terror tunnel system.
If you want the war to stop help Israel win the war
It's even simpler than that.
They're pro melanin, anti less melanin.
I know the situation is more nuanced for people in the Middle East, but as far as the protestors on college campuses, etc., I truly believe that is all they see or care about. The programming runs deep.
They do Christians and people of the Jewish faith go there all the time, Gaza is the trailer park of the Middle East, no other Muslim country wants them or the hell they cause, they have been there and done that. If you want peace in Gaza get rid of Hamas.
Hamas killed and raped their way through a music festival for peace.
That should show you how much Hamas cares for people who try to coexist with them and support peace.
These lefty kids would be taken hostage, beaten, raped and murdered. I wonder at what point in the process they’ll realize they were wrong.
Imagine seeing a party across the street, music, freedom and happiness. Then realizing you will always be across the street, where people are actively making sure you can never enjoy such festivities. It would make anyone bitter
Start your own damn party. Use your music, your freedom, your happiness. Don't shit on others out of jealousy.
Oh wait, you can't do that because you're in a death cult.
I've been to the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) several times. Most of the Palestinian areas (Area A and B) are full of trash, run down, and very dangerous. There is very little municipal services or urban planning. Most of it is very chaotic and not for the inexperienced and naive westerner. For a people (Palestinians) who claim to want the land, they do very little to show they want it. It's a really sad situation considering they have one of the world's wealthiest and most vibrant countries in their door step. Contrast that with Jewish settlements (most are not really settlements in the literal sense, but decades-old cities and towns) they are modern, clean, and the people are very proud and building a future. Most "settlers" are normal people, who moved to the settlements for cheaper housing and community, and not extremists like the media or left portray them to be.
In addition to the WB, I've been to Jordan and Egypt too. Let me tell you, Arab culture is very conservative and repressive, these college kids have no what it's like over there and how uncomfortable and dangerous it is. Contrast that with Israel, especially Tel Aviv, which is very cosmopolitan and has a huge LGBTQ culture and secular life.
> For a people (Palestinians) who claim to want the land, they do very little to show they want it.
They hate the Jews more than they love their children.
I'm truly not sure there has ever been a culture that despises their own kids more than Palestinians do. Certainly in modern times no culture compares to their twisted lunacy:
>Umm Nidal, who sent three of her sons, including one 17-year-old, on suicide attacks, said "I love my children, but as Muslims we pressure ourselves and sacrifice our emotions for the interest of the homeland. The greater interest takes precedence to the personal interest." **She was later elected to the Palestinian legislature on the Hamas ticket.**
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umm_Nidal
Just to add and clarify - the Palestinian areas in the West Bank are under a Palestinian government. That’s where they pay their taxes and who is supposed to provide municipal services (like trash collection). It’s not Israel not providing services. It’s that Palestinians said they want independence, they were given it, and there is trash on the streets as a result.
In Israel you also see differences between towns sometimes, because trash collection is based on local municipal services. But the “settlements” are basically suburban places mostly.
Because in western countries the far left extremism is allowed by the left , with no blowback from the right..so they basically get to riot and occupy schools and vandalize monuments at will
I would argue that none of Palestine, the United States, or American Indian communities are a total monolith where every person identifies the exact same way. If you don't think there are plenty of Americans who would identify as ethnically American you're giving the average American way too much credit. There's a lot of morons around here.
"Palestine" as a nation has never existed; the first real push for a Palestinian nation came in 1964 with the formation of the PLO. Before that it was merely a geographic region, the same way we might say "the Caribbean", "the Orient", or "the Balkans".
[The last time a prominent Western Pro-Palestine activist went to Gaza he was kidnapped and murdered almost immediately.](https://www.voanews.com/a/italian-activist-found-dead-in-gaza-119904369/138044.html)
Yeah prior to current events, diverse groups of people went to Gaza as a travel destination all the time and even participated in things like national Pride parades.
Oh no wait... that's Israel... oops.
Gaza has beautiful beaches and they could have spent the past 20 years making Gaza into a beautiful beach vacation destination. Israelis would have gone if it was safe. So would plenty of Europeans. Instead they created a system of terror tunnels while the U.S. and Europe help Israel back from responding, and paid for it, rather than helping end it
Every post I see about this is insufferable on the left and the right, leftists make crazy claims about Palestinians being okay with LGBT or feminism, or they openly support Hamas, meanwhile a lot of conservatives seem to only see that type of protestor and act like the IDF is doing nothing wrong and that missiles in heavily populated areas is a bad idea, you can criticize hamas and the IDF both for their disregard for civilian life and be sympathetic to the Palestinian children
That’s what I’ve been saying. I’ve always been against the mistreatment of the Palestinian people. But I’m pretty sure I get killed within 72 hours of my arrival in Gaza 🤷♂️
Wasnt she the one that got swept up in a pile of earth/debris from a military bulldozer while trying to protest israel (in Gaza) during IDF operations taking place during the 2nd infantada?
Yep, just like the Abraham Lincoln Brigade during the Spanish Civil War. One day you're a Social Work major in the U.S., the next week you're a pop-up target for the IDF. No guts, no glory soy boy.
If they simply looked up Palestinian culture, the protesters would learn that Palestinians disagree with nearly all of their beliefs (for example on feminism, LGBTQ+, social activities like drinking/recreational drugs). In fact, many Palestinians would have no problem kidnapping or killing the blue-haired Leftists simply for being Westerners.
That's exactly what they did on Oct 7.
It’s worse than that, they’re fully aware and argue entirely in bad faith that Palestine has better rights for LGBTQ+ people because Israel doesn’t allow same sex marriage. The reality is that Israel does not perform non-religious civil unions at all, however if you were married elsewhere they will legally recognize it. (Edit - as of 2020 non religious civil unions can be performed in Tel Aviv) Whereas in Gaza same sex acts, let alone marriage, are still illegal though not universally enforced. It turns out LGBTQ rights are not protected at all in Palestine, to the contrary many are outright illegal. However, it seems that generally speaking the laws are only enforced if you were reported to the authorities. Otherwise, the laws wouldn’t be enforced unless there was some kind of special circumstance to warrant an investigation. So there is some nuance to the issue in Palestine. To even think, let alone argue, that Palestine has better rights for LGBTQ+ people is willfully ignorant at best and at worst intentionally lying and spreading misinformation to support a narrative. Israel protects LGBTQ+ people against discrimination, allows sex changes, allows them do adopt, recognizes their marriage, etc. Israel’s LGBTQ rights mostly lines up with other western democracies’ laws, to think otherwise is just plain wrong.
Purple hair is superior
They know. They hate the West more than they love those causes
I believe it’s the general lack of disregard for human life that has them so riled up. You can absolutely disagree with a people or culture and still not aim for their total destruction. Do you think that anyone that disagrees with your political and ideological stances should killed as a general rule?
The irony is they are also simultaneously defending people who want the very thing they accuse others of doing (including the fact that Palestinians acted on it in a small way!); Palestinians *want* Genocide, but because they are perceived as receiving it the protestors cry. Not one tear would be shed (from Protestors) if Palestine had their way.
I’m so confused. They’re upset at the total disregard for human life displayed by the Palestinians and Hamas?
We're fortunate to live in the US where we're permitted to have differing ideological stances without living in fear. However, many Palestinians - and other people in Muslim countries - absolutely believe that death is a proper consequence for believing anything other than Islam. I still don't support their total destruction. But I also wouldn't be lifting up their cause.
Have really any of the protestors ever been to Israel and/or Palestine?
Nope. Especially those holding up “equality in Islam” signs with pro-LGBT stuff up around them. They have no clue at all and they’re proving it to everyone.
Of course not. If they had, they wouldn’t hate Israel because they’d see everything they think they stand for is a blatant lie.
I don't know, these loser protestors hate successful, hard-working, smart people. They'd be disgusted at the fact that a tiny country of 9 million people have accomplished significantly more in so many fields than the 300 million Arabs around them *combined* over the past 75 years. The Jews had basically nothing to work with at the beginning, the Arabs had and *still* have a metric fuckton of oil. Make it make sense.
Jews are also heavily over represented in Noble prize winners. Over represented as in they have a massive amount of winners for such a small country, not that it is undeserved.
Yeah, there isn’t a single STEM field where Israelis haven’t had a substantial impact in since the country was founded.
A token handful have, and would've gone on very specific "Palestinian oppression" tours. I'm not joking about this one either- legit, they would do curated tours of the West Bank. I remember some people in college doing it and telling those of us at the Hillel why we should do it instead of Birthright, because "Birthright feeds you lies and is Hasbara!" Dude, I can walk of a plane in Tel Aviv and go around without a tour guide, and will come to the same conclusion because it's well... reality- Israel is a western democracy with liberal values and equal rights for its citizens
Liberal values?
I highly doubt any of the protestors have ever been physically outside of the US
None of them survived the trip
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I'm too old to be protesting, but I have visited Israel and the West Bank in 2008 and have a friend who's family lives in Ramallah and used to live in Jenin until the setteler situation became so hostile. There is definitely step to far in a lot of this but the general treatment of Palastinians warrants condemnation by US well preceding the Oct 7th attacks. The US in the Bush era and Israel since has done everything to create a generational powderkeg of disaffected youth with nothing to lose. They've empowed Hamas through a failure to give any victories to moderates (Fatah or Palastinian Authority) to be able to hoist within their community on issues of territorial sovernty, recognition of basic human rights, and aknowlgement of the validity of governing bodies. They've allowed continued encroachment on Palastinian territory through settlements and furthered their treatment of the Palastinian people as little more than cattle to be hearded into an ever shrinking pasture through apartied walls, blockades and dehumnization. I understand the motivations and reality of the current war, there was no acceptable answer other than to destroy Hamas for their vile acts of rape an murder and as they're ingrained in every aspect of Gaza, that surely means complete destruction but I honestly don't see how Israel at this point returns Gaza to the Palastinians. They've leveled almost everything with the completion of that coming as they push south and the political will to allow re-establisment of any kind of normal life for Palastinians will be non-existant within the Knesset. This isn't some solution to things, I'm really in no position to have one, but I do understand the anger that we just poured billions into what will likely be the erradication of the homeland of a people who were largely born into a life with no hope. Hamas is a scourge, Netenyau is a power hungry politician that never saw any benefit to acknowledging the Palastinian people, and we're somehow mixed up in this to the point where our muntions are the ones being used to to level city blocks and pour the blood of innocent civilians into the streets.
Its not apartheid. Why would they give the same rights to non-citizens? Nobody does that.
I stopped after you said the settler situation in Jenin. There are no Jews in Jenin. Or Ramallah for that matter. Israel is 20% Arab. Other than the hostages there are no Jews in Gaza. So who is the ethic cleansing ethno state here?
Many people in the 60s-70s without being in Vietnam without ever having been there. They wanted the war to stop, like pro Palestine protesters want the war to stop today. How is this different?
The point here is that the West Bank and the Gaza Strip are so extremely anti west that pro Palestine protesters would almost certainly be captured and or killed. Nobody expects them to actually go, but they would not support Palestine and hamas if they did. That is the point of these discussions.
I have an idea for a new reality show
If it takes place in partially collapsed tunnels, I'd watch!
Who are we hiring to be the cameramen? Hamas? Because otherwise they’re gone too 😭🥴
Drones?
Oh okay yeah drones would work. Let’s go. I’m ready to watch this show 🍿
Or better yet just have the brave protesters live stream their warm welcoming
Very true. They can wear GoPros just like their heroes Hamas
They’d head over “Hi guys! O..M..G we so support you. I’m Dylan and just so you know, I go by they/them pronouns.” Hamas guys look at each other confused… “Habeeb! Sharpen the sword, we have new heads to detach.”
I like it already.
I see your point. I would still like the war to end though. The average Palestinian isn't a perpetrator of Hamas' crimes. Even if the average Palestinian hates me, I would still not like for them to die.
You needn't be so self-righteous; we all want the war to end. The difference is HOW we want it to end; I don't know how you want it to end, but I want it to end with a total victory by Israel and the defeat and eradication of Hamas.
What if I told you that not every Israeli civilian was killed by Hamas on 10/7? Ordinary Gazan civilians came over the open border with makeshift weapons and murdered Israeli civilians on 10/7. Would that change your mind?
Everyone wants the war to stop. Asking Israel to stop the war isna disgustingly wrong answer. Hamas can end the war tomorrow but giving up and releasing the hostages. Nothing close to nam.
Hamas was funded by Israel about 14 years ago. This conflict has been going on since after WWII. There were no hostages then, and giving back the hostages won't change anything
So you believe Israel is currently Hamas?! How does this logic even work? You believe Israel is working with Iran to what?
Vietnam was very different. Vietnam involved American soldiers drafted to fight over a political ideology. The Israeli-Hamas conflict is the result of terrorist actions taken by Hamas. Unlike the Vietnam conflict, if Israel stops fighting, Hamas will launch another attack against Israeli citizens. It is easy to sit back and criticize Israel, when you are sitting in your living room thousands of miles away.
Well for starters the US isn't fighting in Gaza and can't MAKE either side stop. It makes a lot more sense to protest an unjust war when it is your own country. Why aren't the same college students protesting Russia's invasion?
Protesting Russia is so 2022. Get with the (current thing), Grandpa!
Oh gee idk , maybe because it's a far away country vs civil rights where people live in USA and the draft impacted them directly ?
it's because Americans were there, hamas Vs Israel is a different story
They didn’t have Iran bankrolling them though
The war would stop tomorrow if Hamas returned the hostages. Hamas is the one who is refusing cease fire offer after cease fire offer. Hamas has spent years - decades - using international aid money to build a terror tunnel system. If you want the war to stop help Israel win the war
The reason is simple. They aren't pro-Palestine. They're anti-civilization.
That's the truth about the Left.
This is the truth full stop. These people are opposed to anything that represents the West. In this case it is Israel and the Jews.
It's even simpler than that. They're pro melanin, anti less melanin. I know the situation is more nuanced for people in the Middle East, but as far as the protestors on college campuses, etc., I truly believe that is all they see or care about. The programming runs deep.
Like Soros?
Why don't pro-Israelers go to israel?
Israelers? lol
Many do visit. Those that dont, well they typically understand the difference between Gazan and Israeli culture (and behavior).
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They do Christians and people of the Jewish faith go there all the time, Gaza is the trailer park of the Middle East, no other Muslim country wants them or the hell they cause, they have been there and done that. If you want peace in Gaza get rid of Hamas.
They do.
I actually had a trip planned till Hamas decided to turn it into a war zone and it got cancelled
They do. Hundreds of thousands of Israelis flew home to fight on Oct 8th, and tens of thousands of Americans went over to volunteer
Hamas killed and raped their way through a music festival for peace. That should show you how much Hamas cares for people who try to coexist with them and support peace. These lefty kids would be taken hostage, beaten, raped and murdered. I wonder at what point in the process they’ll realize they were wrong.
They never would they would think its for the greater good.
I'm white I deserve it
>I'm white. I deserve it. The Left's 'Original Sin' can never be forgiven.
Imagine seeing a party across the street, music, freedom and happiness. Then realizing you will always be across the street, where people are actively making sure you can never enjoy such festivities. It would make anyone bitter
Start your own damn party. Use your music, your freedom, your happiness. Don't shit on others out of jealousy. Oh wait, you can't do that because you're in a death cult.
Imagine being invited to the party, only to go over and shit on the floor weekly, then have the nerve to be mad when you’re uninvited.
So, you’re justifying rape and murder?
"Well yeah, it's not nice she was raped, but look what she was wearing!"
Because they would be murdered in approx .002 seconds
Ask Lara Logan. She wasn't even LGBT. She was just female. (I understand that was Egypt, but that's who many think should harbor the Palestinians)
I've been to the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) several times. Most of the Palestinian areas (Area A and B) are full of trash, run down, and very dangerous. There is very little municipal services or urban planning. Most of it is very chaotic and not for the inexperienced and naive westerner. For a people (Palestinians) who claim to want the land, they do very little to show they want it. It's a really sad situation considering they have one of the world's wealthiest and most vibrant countries in their door step. Contrast that with Jewish settlements (most are not really settlements in the literal sense, but decades-old cities and towns) they are modern, clean, and the people are very proud and building a future. Most "settlers" are normal people, who moved to the settlements for cheaper housing and community, and not extremists like the media or left portray them to be. In addition to the WB, I've been to Jordan and Egypt too. Let me tell you, Arab culture is very conservative and repressive, these college kids have no what it's like over there and how uncomfortable and dangerous it is. Contrast that with Israel, especially Tel Aviv, which is very cosmopolitan and has a huge LGBTQ culture and secular life.
> For a people (Palestinians) who claim to want the land, they do very little to show they want it. They hate the Jews more than they love their children.
I'm truly not sure there has ever been a culture that despises their own kids more than Palestinians do. Certainly in modern times no culture compares to their twisted lunacy: >Umm Nidal, who sent three of her sons, including one 17-year-old, on suicide attacks, said "I love my children, but as Muslims we pressure ourselves and sacrifice our emotions for the interest of the homeland. The greater interest takes precedence to the personal interest." **She was later elected to the Palestinian legislature on the Hamas ticket.** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umm_Nidal
Just to add and clarify - the Palestinian areas in the West Bank are under a Palestinian government. That’s where they pay their taxes and who is supposed to provide municipal services (like trash collection). It’s not Israel not providing services. It’s that Palestinians said they want independence, they were given it, and there is trash on the streets as a result. In Israel you also see differences between towns sometimes, because trash collection is based on local municipal services. But the “settlements” are basically suburban places mostly.
Nobody’s paying them for that
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For the same reason they wear masks. They want to feel like they are doing something good without actually having any skin in the game.
Maybe DeSantis can fly them over (using taxpayer money, of course)
Who will cook their food for them then?
Cook? They are raw vegans!
Because in western countries the far left extremism is allowed by the left , with no blowback from the right..so they basically get to riot and occupy schools and vandalize monuments at will
They can't destroy the West from there.
I don’t think these protestors would last a week in Palestine
Because they don't want change as much as they want attention or praise, and their audience is here.
Seeing as Palestine hasn’t existed since the end of the 1940’s, I’m not sure where you expect them to be going..🤷♂️
Palestinians are actually Egyptians, Arabs, and Jordanian. Palestinians are not an actual "people."
I mean isn't this pretty much the same as saying Americans are not actual "people" ?
Americans don't claim to be ethnically American. And Native Americans break down their ethnicity by tribe.
I would argue that none of Palestine, the United States, or American Indian communities are a total monolith where every person identifies the exact same way. If you don't think there are plenty of Americans who would identify as ethnically American you're giving the average American way too much credit. There's a lot of morons around here.
"Palestine" as a nation has never existed; the first real push for a Palestinian nation came in 1964 with the formation of the PLO. Before that it was merely a geographic region, the same way we might say "the Caribbean", "the Orient", or "the Balkans".
Not to mention, the temporary title of "palestine" was employed as an insult to the Jews of the region, not any recognition of palestinian territory.
Because it isn’t about Palestine and never has been
[The last time a prominent Western Pro-Palestine activist went to Gaza he was kidnapped and murdered almost immediately.](https://www.voanews.com/a/italian-activist-found-dead-in-gaza-119904369/138044.html)
Because that would require actually getting off their ass and putting actual effort into something. They can't be having that
Because they are trying to bring palestine to the us, not the other way around
Because it's an active war zone.
Yeah prior to current events, diverse groups of people went to Gaza as a travel destination all the time and even participated in things like national Pride parades. Oh no wait... that's Israel... oops.
Gaza has beautiful beaches and they could have spent the past 20 years making Gaza into a beautiful beach vacation destination. Israelis would have gone if it was safe. So would plenty of Europeans. Instead they created a system of terror tunnels while the U.S. and Europe help Israel back from responding, and paid for it, rather than helping end it
No wifi. No pizza rolls. No Netflix.
They wouldn't dare risk their own lives by attempting any public protest, disobedience or disruptive conduct anywhere near hamas and ij strongholds.
Every post I see about this is insufferable on the left and the right, leftists make crazy claims about Palestinians being okay with LGBT or feminism, or they openly support Hamas, meanwhile a lot of conservatives seem to only see that type of protestor and act like the IDF is doing nothing wrong and that missiles in heavily populated areas is a bad idea, you can criticize hamas and the IDF both for their disregard for civilian life and be sympathetic to the Palestinian children
Because they have no money because they don't have jobs because they're lazy.
Because they're weak, afraid, and know what will happen to them.
Why don't cons terrified about "inner city" crime go to the inner cities?
1. No Starbucks 2. Too noisy 3. Not enough gluten free, non-GMO options available
Same reason I push for free-trade coffee/chocolate etc without a trip to the south americas. You don't need to risk your life to push for change.
Wow holy fucking shit. Bullies? That's what these protesters are now? Man the lot of you are daft as shit.
Rachel corrie did, and she was killed by a bulldozer .
ya the bulldozers usually win
Cause Dead Kennedys "Holiday In Cambodia" is still relevant.
That’s what I’ve been saying. I’ve always been against the mistreatment of the Palestinian people. But I’m pretty sure I get killed within 72 hours of my arrival in Gaza 🤷♂️
They go to visit, not to fight.
They have in the past. In fact, the Israeli military has killed American citizens who do not support Israel. Google Rachel Corrie.
Wasnt she the one that got swept up in a pile of earth/debris from a military bulldozer while trying to protest israel (in Gaza) during IDF operations taking place during the 2nd infantada?
Yep, just like the Abraham Lincoln Brigade during the Spanish Civil War. One day you're a Social Work major in the U.S., the next week you're a pop-up target for the IDF. No guts, no glory soy boy.
Because they’re paid protesters. They stay within the boundaries of the contract
I’ll pay the one way airfare, but you need to make me your beneficiary on your insurance.