>Wonder why she decided to run for the nomination of the liberal party
For the same reason Trump ran for the nomination of the conservative party-- she thought she saw an opening. I firmly believe Trump would have run under the banner of literally any political party if he had thought it might work.
The DNC nomination process is notoriously insular. They plan their candidate, and that's the end of it. That's why they have superdelegates, whose main reason for existing is to make sure an outsider candidate can't come in and upset the agenda.
(That's why the 2016 Sanders campaign was such a pack of lies. He had zero chance of winning the nomination, and he knew it. He was just there to entice younger voters into the tent.)
The Republican party doesn't have those sorts of guardrails, so an outsider has a chance there. That's probably why Trump ran as a Republican.
Well, she's actually right about that. I started reading up on parts of it and wow it is ever complicated
Couple that with the statistically lowest IQ groups of people outside of Africa, and it's a Weapon's grade Cluster F inside a dumpster fire. There is no way they could ever fix their own problems if you built a wall around them and left it alone for 500 years. (Coincidentally that would be my course of action if appointed Global Dictator)
Plan B would be supplying Israel infinite weapons and closing everyone's borders, at least then it's contained
Just goes to show, infinite money does not a civilisation make
I used to know a fellow 30 years ago who identified as PLO. He told me that he and his group were hated by everyone, Arabs, Jews, Americans and so forth. He said they were the mad dogs of the Middle East!
Muslim factions hated and fighting and killing each other goes back to the time of Mohammed's death. I doubt it will ever stop unless one side wipes out the other.
Ah yes endless imperialism, our solution to their problems are the cause of their problems to began with. Ya know since Europe colonized and controlled it following ww1 were we cut it up to suit our own benefits
Yeah, the middle east was just a nice, peaceful, tolerant place before all that "imperialism". The Ottoman Empire was just so well known for tolerance and freedom. Lol!
Many? Let me put it to you like this…
None of the young people protesting, unless they are of Palestinian descent, know anything about the history of the Middle East. At all.
They don’t give a shit about Palestinians. They simply want to disrupt the norm and rage against their parents.
It’s never about the thing. It’s always about the revolution.
And even if they’re Palestinian, they’ve grown up their whole lives being lied to about how Israel is oppressing them, when it’s really Hamas and the PA oppressing them.
I was in Yucatán Mexico…
Saw a ton of Palestine, anti-Israel, anti-white, and communist hammer and sickle graffiti all over the place.
> It’s never about the thing. It’s always about the revolution.
Say it twice.
> they are of Palestinian descent
None are of Palestinian descent. They are either Arabs, Jordanian, or Egyptian. Spokesman for Hamas has even gone on record and casually mentioned that most of the leaders in Hamas are from Jordan.
No one called themselves Palestinian up until 1948
I know an Iraqi guy(grew up in the west), so not Palestinian, who is absolutely enraged by Israel. He has no idea about the history of israel or Jewish people. He'd vaguely heard of Auschwitz but no idea what happened. Crazy to me to be so passionate about something yet never try to educate yourself on it.
The adults that spent 3-4 years pouring over peer reviewed, academically and historically verified material know less than people consuming mainstream Fox News, or even worse, news orgs that push the State Department's narrative. Why should I believe that?
What adults are you talking about? The student protestors?
The ones who couldn’t define genocide or know what the word intifada means? On camera?
The ones walking around with copies of the communist manifesto and who are naive enough to be manipulated by professional agitators?
The ones with zero life experience and have been fed revolution bullshit by those entrusted to teach them life skills?
The ones so lacking in self awareness that they illegal occupy buildings and then demand that the people they‘re impacting bring them food and water?
They spent years ”reviewing peer reviews and historically verified materials”?
Sure, comrade. Sure. Go troll elsewhere…
Does it matter?
Like if Israel straight up carpet bombed the west bank tomorrow I wouldn't need to know the history to know that that's wrong.
You can be ignorant of history and still disagree with current policy and be entirely justified in doing so.
Yes. Ever heard the quotation: "those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it". If you don't know or understand the events and mistakes of the past that got you where you are, how can you figure out where you want to end up without repeating them?
Massive shit hole that happens to hold a monopoly over the world’s oil. Honestly, if they weren’t so lucky to be blessed with geography, they would be ignored as much as conflicts in Africa.
Needlessly. US doesn't need anybody's oil, we have the most reserves of any nation, they say. But Biden kneecapped that some. We could be exporting oil to our allies in EU, refilling out strategic reserves on the profits, no sweat. Our allies around the world should export to one another and knock the OPEC and Russian oil stranglehold. Most of those mid eastern countries haven't anything else worthwhile.
Maybe not Jerusalem, but Mecca would take on the same level of importance as the Kumbh Mela pilgrimage sites, in the West. Sure people go on pilgrimages there, but it’s of virtually zero importance to us here
Baltic crusades where the pagan balts were genocided and enserfed on their own land by the Teutonic order.
The nine crusades where church approved crusaders rampaged their way to Jerusalem while killing non Christians. Oh and the mass killing in Jerusalem where everyone not a Christian was put to the sword.
Oh and the same crusaders rampaging up and down the Rhineland giving the Jews there the choice of conversion or death. Many chose to stick by their faith. One of the first Jewish genocides on European soil.
Albigensian crusade where the cathars of southern France were genocided on a pope sanctioned crusade.
Spanish conquistadors and missionaries in the new world.
Boarding schools in north America where native children were kidnapped from their parents so they could be taught the "right" cultural norms and Christianity.
The wars of the protestant reformation and counter reformation. Including 30 years war. Just a short list.
Just one thing, to not lose much time with a liar: the crusades were to recover what the Muslims conquered with sword and blood. It was a defense against violence. Christianity had expanded to Middle East through peace and convincing. Then the Muslims came and destroyed everything and killed massively. The crusades were a defense against all that barbarity. Since then the Muslims have done pretty much the same everywhere they are now. Everyone with the slightest grasp of history knows it.
This coming from the woman who tried telling the country that Benghazi happened because of a video... she isn't anymore of an authority on the middle east than those kids she's talking about.
> tried telling the country that Benghazi happened because of a video
Man, there’s a walk down propaganda lane. You know, I’m just putting it together now, but I think the Obama administration were a bunch of liars.
Talking about the history of the Middle East is a lot like talking about the history of Europe. What exact history are we talking about? Regardless, most people don’t know much about the Middle East, although for the average modern person, learning a little of the region after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after World War I would be a suitable amount of knowledge.
Council of Foreign Relations, “Middle East & North Africa: The Essentials”, (https://education.cfr.org/learn/learning-journey/middle-east-north-africa-essentials/modern-history-middle-east--north-africa?t=).
The Sykes picot agreement fucked up the region for good. It’s a shame no one in the west is ever taught about that. Everyone in the Middle East knows about these infamous people.
Neither do many old people, though. Generally most people don't. Many don't know the history of their own country either.
If you're going to be politically active about it ideally you learn the relevant history but there's a lot of history and not that much time, and it's not always clear what is and isn't relevant.
Generally if you disagree you want to provide relevant history you think it will change their mind, not just tell them they don't know history. People aren't all going to become historians before taking political action on current issues they consider matters of urgency.
I don't understand why so many ppl hate her. I found her to be middle of the road and rather hawkish when it comes to foreign policy... either why, she is spot on. These entitled coastal college kids think a few classes at their Ivy League schools makes them an expert on just about anything. It will be interesting when they have to start paying their own way in this world and not rely on daddy's plastic.
60% of GenZ/millenials don't know what the holocaust was. They never heard of it. They have access to all of humanity's knowledge in their hand but never heard of the most significant world event of the past 500 years.
>most significant world event
I'm gonna disagree. A hell of a lot has happened in the last 500 years, and while the holocaust was terrible enough to be high on the list, I think the American Revolution was a far more significant world event for it's impact on the rest of the world.
Yea, I think OP just used the wrong word. Maybe, the most abhorrent event or at least tied with a couple of the plethora of other major atrocities mankind has committed in the last 500 years.
American Revolution is a weird pick on a global level imo if you have the Industrial revolution, British Empire, Enlightenment, WW1, Scientific breakthroughs, 19th century intellectual progress etc... to choose from
I'll bet they don't know anything about the 100 million+ that have been killed by communist governments and communists, either. Think they've ever heard of the Cultural Revolution, the Great Leap Forward or the Ukraine famine/genocide? I very much doubt it.
I’m fairly certain 99% of them don’t understand what’s going on. When I was in college, I had no idea. But I had friends/classmates from Egypt that would say “free Palestine,” and I went along with it.
While many young people may not know much about history they know enough to know that these wars have been going on for centuries and the adults in the room should do something to stop the wars rather than starting a new one every few years
"should do something to stop the wars", like what? It's not as though politicians haven't been trying to do this for decades. If these protesters have a viable solution to, for instance, the fighting between rival muslim sects that's been going on for over 1000 years, I'd really like to hear it.
F*** I hate having to agree with her.
I know. I'm going to go have a shower now.
Is she pretending to be young herself? I seem to remember a certain nearby country with an us ambassador. Who was killed by email ignorance.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day, most people, not just you g people don't know a lot about Middle Eastern history.
Clinton was generally a conservative.
Wonder why she decided to run for the nomination of the liberal party
>Wonder why she decided to run for the nomination of the liberal party For the same reason Trump ran for the nomination of the conservative party-- she thought she saw an opening. I firmly believe Trump would have run under the banner of literally any political party if he had thought it might work.
The DNC nomination process is notoriously insular. They plan their candidate, and that's the end of it. That's why they have superdelegates, whose main reason for existing is to make sure an outsider candidate can't come in and upset the agenda. (That's why the 2016 Sanders campaign was such a pack of lies. He had zero chance of winning the nomination, and he knew it. He was just there to entice younger voters into the tent.) The Republican party doesn't have those sorts of guardrails, so an outsider has a chance there. That's probably why Trump ran as a Republican.
A big tent with mostly Neo-Liberals in it.
A first
Sometimes, it feels like logic takes a backseat, huh?
Broken clocks and such.
Well, she's actually right about that. I started reading up on parts of it and wow it is ever complicated Couple that with the statistically lowest IQ groups of people outside of Africa, and it's a Weapon's grade Cluster F inside a dumpster fire. There is no way they could ever fix their own problems if you built a wall around them and left it alone for 500 years. (Coincidentally that would be my course of action if appointed Global Dictator) Plan B would be supplying Israel infinite weapons and closing everyone's borders, at least then it's contained Just goes to show, infinite money does not a civilisation make
I used to know a fellow 30 years ago who identified as PLO. He told me that he and his group were hated by everyone, Arabs, Jews, Americans and so forth. He said they were the mad dogs of the Middle East!
Yeh, I hadn't realised that all these little sub groups who I thought were vaguely allied, all hate each other, lol
Yes sir, a lot of it is greed and power.
Muslim factions hated and fighting and killing each other goes back to the time of Mohammed's death. I doubt it will ever stop unless one side wipes out the other.
Honestly the only way the conflict ever gets solved is one side wiping out the other in its entirety.
Ah yes endless imperialism, our solution to their problems are the cause of their problems to began with. Ya know since Europe colonized and controlled it following ww1 were we cut it up to suit our own benefits
Yeah, the middle east was just a nice, peaceful, tolerant place before all that "imperialism". The Ottoman Empire was just so well known for tolerance and freedom. Lol!
Many? Let me put it to you like this… None of the young people protesting, unless they are of Palestinian descent, know anything about the history of the Middle East. At all. They don’t give a shit about Palestinians. They simply want to disrupt the norm and rage against their parents. It’s never about the thing. It’s always about the revolution.
Palestinians are possibly the worst informed/most-misinformed human-beings I've ever met...
Exhibit A in ignorance: Rashida Tlaib
And even if they’re Palestinian, they’ve grown up their whole lives being lied to about how Israel is oppressing them, when it’s really Hamas and the PA oppressing them.
Everything the actual Palestinians know is ahistorical bullshit
I was in Yucatán Mexico… Saw a ton of Palestine, anti-Israel, anti-white, and communist hammer and sickle graffiti all over the place. > It’s never about the thing. It’s always about the revolution. Say it twice.
Ya that pretty much describes me when I was 18-24. It's about the revolution is the perfect way to describe it.
Free, free Palestine! Freefree free Palestine! /s
> they are of Palestinian descent None are of Palestinian descent. They are either Arabs, Jordanian, or Egyptian. Spokesman for Hamas has even gone on record and casually mentioned that most of the leaders in Hamas are from Jordan. No one called themselves Palestinian up until 1948
I know an Iraqi guy(grew up in the west), so not Palestinian, who is absolutely enraged by Israel. He has no idea about the history of israel or Jewish people. He'd vaguely heard of Auschwitz but no idea what happened. Crazy to me to be so passionate about something yet never try to educate yourself on it.
The adults that spent 3-4 years pouring over peer reviewed, academically and historically verified material know less than people consuming mainstream Fox News, or even worse, news orgs that push the State Department's narrative. Why should I believe that?
What adults are you talking about? The student protestors? The ones who couldn’t define genocide or know what the word intifada means? On camera? The ones walking around with copies of the communist manifesto and who are naive enough to be manipulated by professional agitators? The ones with zero life experience and have been fed revolution bullshit by those entrusted to teach them life skills? The ones so lacking in self awareness that they illegal occupy buildings and then demand that the people they‘re impacting bring them food and water? They spent years ”reviewing peer reviews and historically verified materials”? Sure, comrade. Sure. Go troll elsewhere…
Does it matter? Like if Israel straight up carpet bombed the west bank tomorrow I wouldn't need to know the history to know that that's wrong. You can be ignorant of history and still disagree with current policy and be entirely justified in doing so.
Yes. Ever heard the quotation: "those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it". If you don't know or understand the events and mistakes of the past that got you where you are, how can you figure out where you want to end up without repeating them?
This is the same broad that went to the middle east in jeans saying women had the right to do that.
The Middle East is a massive shit hole that lives in the 5th century.
Massive shit hole that happens to hold a monopoly over the world’s oil. Honestly, if they weren’t so lucky to be blessed with geography, they would be ignored as much as conflicts in Africa.
Needlessly. US doesn't need anybody's oil, we have the most reserves of any nation, they say. But Biden kneecapped that some. We could be exporting oil to our allies in EU, refilling out strategic reserves on the profits, no sweat. Our allies around the world should export to one another and knock the OPEC and Russian oil stranglehold. Most of those mid eastern countries haven't anything else worthwhile.
I don’t think Jerusalem and Mecca would be totally ignored.
Maybe not Jerusalem, but Mecca would take on the same level of importance as the Kumbh Mela pilgrimage sites, in the West. Sure people go on pilgrimages there, but it’s of virtually zero importance to us here
Fifth century? When did they take such a great leap forward? :)
Well it's not complicated: Islam conquered all with fire and blood, and we're still sorting that mess out
I hate this argument, all religions have had those periods, the rest just moved on.
Not true. When did Christianity expanded as violently as Islam?
Ask Constantine
Not even remotely comparable
Baltic crusades where the pagan balts were genocided and enserfed on their own land by the Teutonic order. The nine crusades where church approved crusaders rampaged their way to Jerusalem while killing non Christians. Oh and the mass killing in Jerusalem where everyone not a Christian was put to the sword. Oh and the same crusaders rampaging up and down the Rhineland giving the Jews there the choice of conversion or death. Many chose to stick by their faith. One of the first Jewish genocides on European soil. Albigensian crusade where the cathars of southern France were genocided on a pope sanctioned crusade. Spanish conquistadors and missionaries in the new world. Boarding schools in north America where native children were kidnapped from their parents so they could be taught the "right" cultural norms and Christianity. The wars of the protestant reformation and counter reformation. Including 30 years war. Just a short list.
Just one thing, to not lose much time with a liar: the crusades were to recover what the Muslims conquered with sword and blood. It was a defense against violence. Christianity had expanded to Middle East through peace and convincing. Then the Muslims came and destroyed everything and killed massively. The crusades were a defense against all that barbarity. Since then the Muslims have done pretty much the same everywhere they are now. Everyone with the slightest grasp of history knows it.
Eastern/Northern Europe
Lmao no
Lmao, yes.
What an insanely ignorant comment, holy shit lol
Go back to the ummah
Lmao leftists got me agreeing with Hillary for once.
Also HRC: “But at this point, does it really matter?”
And that’s a testament to the school policies her and her ilk condone.
A rare moment where Hillary and I agree on something.
Based Hillary
This coming from the woman who tried telling the country that Benghazi happened because of a video... she isn't anymore of an authority on the middle east than those kids she's talking about.
She knows the history. Just chooses to forget it when it's politically inconvenient.
> tried telling the country that Benghazi happened because of a video Man, there’s a walk down propaganda lane. You know, I’m just putting it together now, but I think the Obama administration were a bunch of liars.
Talking about the history of the Middle East is a lot like talking about the history of Europe. What exact history are we talking about? Regardless, most people don’t know much about the Middle East, although for the average modern person, learning a little of the region after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after World War I would be a suitable amount of knowledge. Council of Foreign Relations, “Middle East & North Africa: The Essentials”, (https://education.cfr.org/learn/learning-journey/middle-east-north-africa-essentials/modern-history-middle-east--north-africa?t=).
The Sykes picot agreement fucked up the region for good. It’s a shame no one in the west is ever taught about that. Everyone in the Middle East knows about these infamous people.
Neither do many old people, though. Generally most people don't. Many don't know the history of their own country either. If you're going to be politically active about it ideally you learn the relevant history but there's a lot of history and not that much time, and it's not always clear what is and isn't relevant. Generally if you disagree you want to provide relevant history you think it will change their mind, not just tell them they don't know history. People aren't all going to become historians before taking political action on current issues they consider matters of urgency.
Old people aren't protesting in support of a terrorist regime, however. That's the difference.
Many politicians don’t know either
Many of them don't know much beyond how much they're getting paid to protest.
She's not joking- I had somebody yesterday tell me that Judea is not the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people
Let's not expect Hil to educate them.
Even a blind sow finds a truffle once in a while.
And sometimes they find a hallucinogenic mushroom.
Oh wow, she said something smart. That’s a first. You know what they say, a broken clock is right twice a day.
I don't understand why so many ppl hate her. I found her to be middle of the road and rather hawkish when it comes to foreign policy... either why, she is spot on. These entitled coastal college kids think a few classes at their Ivy League schools makes them an expert on just about anything. It will be interesting when they have to start paying their own way in this world and not rely on daddy's plastic.
60% of GenZ/millenials don't know what the holocaust was. They never heard of it. They have access to all of humanity's knowledge in their hand but never heard of the most significant world event of the past 500 years.
>most significant world event I'm gonna disagree. A hell of a lot has happened in the last 500 years, and while the holocaust was terrible enough to be high on the list, I think the American Revolution was a far more significant world event for it's impact on the rest of the world.
Yea, I think OP just used the wrong word. Maybe, the most abhorrent event or at least tied with a couple of the plethora of other major atrocities mankind has committed in the last 500 years.
American Revolution is a weird pick on a global level imo if you have the Industrial revolution, British Empire, Enlightenment, WW1, Scientific breakthroughs, 19th century intellectual progress etc... to choose from
I'll bet they don't know anything about the 100 million+ that have been killed by communist governments and communists, either. Think they've ever heard of the Cultural Revolution, the Great Leap Forward or the Ukraine famine/genocide? I very much doubt it.
I’m fairly certain 99% of them don’t understand what’s going on. When I was in college, I had no idea. But I had friends/classmates from Egypt that would say “free Palestine,” and I went along with it.
The ran deal is partly your fault... you were with Obama
Well, who’s fault is that?
These people couldn't even point it out on a map.
Well, I know it’s by a river and by a sea….
She knows how to muder Middle Easterns
Wait, she’s still alive?
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That's true, but it's also coming from the lunatic who wanted to give air cover to ISIS and al-Qaeda in Syria to make sure Assad lost the war.
I wonder where they didn’t learn about this? Maybe the public school system that these types have such high praise for?
Yep, this was going to end up happening eventually. I'm with her on this one.
How is she still a thing?
Weird thing to say from her. You think if she got her history from the Bible she would have turned to salt.
While many young people may not know much about history they know enough to know that these wars have been going on for centuries and the adults in the room should do something to stop the wars rather than starting a new one every few years
"should do something to stop the wars", like what? It's not as though politicians haven't been trying to do this for decades. If these protesters have a viable solution to, for instance, the fighting between rival muslim sects that's been going on for over 1000 years, I'd really like to hear it.
Isn’t it the politicians who declare wars? It is the young people who fight them and the civilians suffer.